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Cowboys vs. Eagles: The Angst Bowl

If the fans' reactions are any indication, Lincoln Financial Field will swallow up both teams next Sunday. 

The Cowboys Nation's response to yesterday's Ravens loss can be summarized as follows: 

Fire Wade!  Flog Romo!  Force Jerry to Divest!  Send Jason Garrett to coaches remedial school!  We're doomed!   Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!

The Eagles Nation has a surprisingly different response to yesterday's 10-3 loss in Washington, where the Eagles ceded control of their playoff destiny to the Bucs, who had lost earlier to San Diego:

Dump McNabb!   Can Andy Reid!  Draw and quarter the GM, who still can't seem to find a good wide receiver!  There's no way this team makes the playoffs! Rrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!

So who is happy today in the NFC?

 

Star-divide

  • The top seeded Giants are happy.  Their running game returned last night, to supply 302 yards, and they avoided a three game losing streak with two late scores.
  • The second seeded Panthers are okay, but looking over their shoulders.  They' had the top seed in their hands and now may drop to fifth seed if they lose to New Orleans next week and the Falcons beat the Rams.  Their hot running game obscured the fact that their defense gives up a lot of points. 
  • The third-seeded Vikings are nervous.  The Falcons spanked them today and if the Bears beat the Packers tomorrow, Minnesota has to win against the Giants next week to assure themselves a post season spot.  The Giants may rest some starters but if they bring their A-game the Vikings are vulnerable.
  • The fourth seeded Cardinals are embarrassed.  They've lost four of five and their defense is yielding an average of 35.4 points in that streak.
  • The fifth seeded Falcons are happy.  They completed a dramatic one-year turnaround with a wild card berth today.  Mike Smith is the slam-dunk choice for NFC Coach of the Year and Matt Ryan is the odds on favorite for Rookie of the Year. They still have a very real shot at a bye.
  • The sixth-seeded Cowboys are red faced and yet relieved.  They somehow control their fate.  Win, and they get the last NFC slot.
  • The seventh seeded Bucs are not happy.  They've lost three in a row and need the Eagles to beat Dallas to get them into the post-season.
  • The eight seeded Eagles face a similar scenario.  They must beat Dallas and hope the Raiders can send the Bucs to a winless December. 

These are the playoffs.  The NFL's holiday season.  And in the NFC, there's an abundance of gloom and doom.  Lots and lots of playoff teams have been on the naughty list this month.

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Nice write up

t goes to show that this years NFL has no defined favourite. The NFC especially is up for grabs, which is good ews for the boys because if we win in Philly and ge in, we could make a deep run.

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 10:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gotta

get by Philly first. This game comes down to who wants it the most. I hope it is Dallas, but after the uninspiring play in their last home game at TX Stadium, I just don’t know.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody knows

The Eagles are in the same reeking, musty boat as the Cowboys. They were awful today.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

They are at home in the Linc. I think that is short for missing Linc with their fans. If Westbrook plays healthy, then Philly has a shot. If McNabb has to win it we have the shot. But one thing is for sure, our offensive line better be able to pick up a blitz. The Ravens did nothing that was disguised, the Cowboys knew exactly who was coming and when. Blame Romo all you want, but I remember Troy had a one win season throwing from his back too.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I don't know

The line started to break down against the Giants and collapsed last week.

And it’s not getting overpowered. It’s making a sickening number of mental mistakes.

Paging Hudson Houck. Your reputation is waiting.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

plus like a Billion

This team will go as far as the offensive line takes us. And, Saturday they were truly offensive.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think just maybe hudson houck just has dumb offensive linemen to work with

Flozell leads the league in Penaties with 26
Proctor is pretty much useless. If Procotr is our best option at guard, what does that say..
Gurode and Davis aren’t the smartest bulbs for sure, how many years have we been waiting for Gurode to have a lite brite moment
I think Columbo is the smartest of the bunch

by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then they

should be in great shape. When I played center, our Right tackle dropped 40 pounds over the season doing wind sprints. He had to run five for every false start in the game. The worst part was, we had to go on one for most of the game, which gives the defense a pretty good idea of when we are snapping the ball.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, we know wade doesn't over work our players in practice

heck, they dont even practice on pads most of the time, or wade is giving them days off for good behavior I guess.

This team should be in pads every day hitting on each other, except for a day or two the whole season. this team is too soft, undisciplined and out of shape. Tis offensive line could do with some wind sprints, but probably after one or two, they’d need a day off….

by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But wait, wasn't Sparano a doofus

when he worked here. The penalties were here then too, and nobody accused him of being soft. He’s suddenly looking a lot smarter with Miami’s line, which is not as talented, man for man, as this one.

I don’t know if running them makes a difference. I think they’re just not the sharpest blades in the drawer.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Never heard Sparano called a Doofus, but the dumb penalities where always there….and Gurode would demonstrated that the time between the huddle and the play was too long to expect him to remember then snap count consistently. But the players seemed to know their pass blocking assignment last year and the young players seemed to be progressing.

I think your suggestion that the 65 year old Houck may be past it has legs. The last year he seemed to work magic was in 2005. His 2007 Miami line was woeful and this year the pass protection has dropped off significantly.

Either way Garrett surely missed Sparano as the Raven’s defense befuddled the offense and seemed to know at least half the plays before the snap. This is not the first time that a defensive coordinator got the better of Garrett this year

by Trey, on Dec 22, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good laugh from the Gurode comment...

Thank you!

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I also think Houck may be past it

The mental breakdowns have gotten worse. In the preseason, a lot of the backups, especially McQuistan and Free, were being discussed as good prospects. Where have they been this year? The team is looking for replacements for them.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what they do

to make the offensive line smarter. It’s not like we can send them to math class and teach them that when the opposition rushes less than 5 no one should get close to Tony.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You draft a player or two who are smart and who can crack the roster

An OT and a G who won’t make it.

They have four guys who make a lot of mental errors — Flozell and Colombo with false starts, Gurode with snaps and Davis with stunts.

You can probably tolerate two. It’s when four do this that you go crazy.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, nail hit on the head

Davis and Adams seem to be very dim bulbs, as is Gurode, and i believe Columbo ia the smartest lineman, he sure seems to make the fewest mistakes, i remember the days when the O linemen were the smartest guys on the team (they and the kickers)

by TRFAN on Dec 22, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Houck was, is overrated

The line has regressed since Soprano left.

Werd is a Turd......

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree that there's no defined favorite...

but you need to step away from the pipe on the cowboys making a deep run. admittedly, anything can happen once you get to the playoffs, but the cowboys don’t look at all like a team with momentum. i see no reason to expect that they’ll get very far, unless the planets align perfectly.

by g8tgod on Dec 21, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Next week we are playing an Eagles team that might be out by kickoff,

If we win that we play a very beatable Minnisota team. All of a sudden were on a two game win streak playing a Giants team that we beat the previous month.

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas has been knocked out by eliminated teams before

Remember the Rams beating the Bledsoe led Cowboys on the final game to give the boys a 9-7 record and a ticket home? The Eagles especially will play hard against the Cowboys, whether they are in it or not. Just look at last year.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Dec 22, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Could be...

Reminds me of 1999 (well, January 2nd, 2000 actually) when the Giants came here, needed Green Bay to lose in the early game, and were informed of the score over the PA by George Dunham as they were lining up for the kick off.

Jason Tucker nearly took that kickoff all the way back and the G-Men fell behind 23-0 before rallying late to make it close.

I have a feeling if Tampa Bay beats Oakland before the start of the Cowboys-Eagles game, Philly’s going to have some slumped shoulders at the beginning.

It’s the end that I’m a little worried about.

by Brandon Bibb on Dec 22, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the Cowboys get to the playoffs, how in the hell can they beat

anyone. Two average teams will face each other next week in Philly. The winner will not get any better for the effort. Average is average.

by CowboyMan on Dec 21, 2008 11:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The cowboys are not an average team,

and even if they were so is Minny, so we might still win

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 21, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really on the fence here

Do I want the Cowboys to win and get in, or blow it and have Wade be on the chopping block? What if Wade is on the chopping block, do I want Garret? He hasn’t turned many heads these last couple of weeks. I hate being like this, because I am usually dead to rights on my feelings for the Cowboys, but this season, has me running in circles.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

our luck, Probably win in Philly next week

then in the playoff game, turn the ball over four or five times, 12 penalties an lose 17-13, leaving everyone to say, he were atleast in the game at the end…… how many time do I have to hear that garbage

by Deke on Dec 21, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

at least one probably. I don’t think there will be a blow out in Philly. One team will lose by a TD or less. Hopefully, Philly.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not luck

teams that play badly every other game just aren’t that good.

by g8tgod on Dec 21, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's an exception to every informal rule

The Giants were 4-4 in the second half last year. They won consecutive games once. They won one, lost one all down the line after a 6-2 start.

There was nothing to suggest they would get hot and win four in a row.

There’s even less to suggest it in this team, but you can’t look at football in a vacuum. Who’s hot in the NFC right now? New York’s lost two of three, the Panthers just got ripped for 300 rushing yards and everybody else has warts.

Atlanta is the only team that can say they’re “hot” right now.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina is garbage

Just another in the latest of ESPN loves me this week. Their defense is pathetic. That will not win in January.

Atlanta on the other hand, they ARE hot as you said.

by mhuff13 on Dec 22, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I must have seen another Carolina team than you

Admittedly, I didn’t sit and watch the whole game but what I saw I thought Carolina looked like a pretty good team.

by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 22, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina is a solid team

They can run, throw and play real good defense. Despite them losing last night they are a more complete team than the Giants. I would rather face the Giants again than Carolina right now.

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Kasay hits the 50 yard FG

Carolina is in the driver seat…

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 22, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if that does happen in the playoffs

(which is very very possible we all know), I would rather have that happen than have philly knock us out of the playoffs.

by witten82 on Dec 22, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Wade keeps his job with one playoff win (or more for sure). A loss at Philly, or,

if we beat the Eagles, we lose in the first round, and Wade is finished. Too bad, but with all the talent on the Cowboys, they should be plating better and winning more.

by CowboyMan on Dec 21, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can kinda feel

for Wade though. This team has had a ton of injuries this year. Look what happened to the Giants losing two starters. We are missing how many?

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, Arizona is a sorry team

they don’t have a defense and they are one dimensional

by Burt88 on Dec 21, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They still

took our offensive line to the tool shed.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a fluke for sure

our offensive line is ugly, agreed, but Arizona has zero defense. The Vikings looked like SB champions with that butt-whipping they put on last week against them

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got news for you

If you think Cowboys and Philly are average then so is Minn, Chi, and Ariz, and we’ll play one of those teams in the WC rd if we win Sunday.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And if the Boys are average, so are the Giants. They might be the #1 seed, but we beat them pretty easily two weeks ago.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's see

they just beat the top seed last week.

They’ll play either the Vikings or Bears if they get the 6th seed. Those are easier teams than they’ve played the last month.

They can beat anybody and they can lose to anybody.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 21, 2008 11:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see someone's still up. Looking at tonights game, and the quality of play by both teams,

as compared to the Cowboy meltdown against the Ravens, I say their average. Yes, they did beat the Giants. Jacobs was out for them, but then, MBIII had only nine toes. I feel better now that a win gets us in. Any given Sunday!!!! , and all that.

by CowboyMan on Dec 21, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But

this is a what have you done for me lately kind of league. Especially now. You can’t hang your laurels on what happened yesterday. You still have football to play, unless you are eliminated, which the Cowboys were lucky not to be.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

can't we just be happy for one day that we have a glimpse of hope here...

we got a nice gift today and people are just so negative….i know all the reasons for the bashing and i agree with many of them, however,,can we enjoy this oppurrtunity for a few days without all the negativity…I know thats asking alot from a few here…

by canty99 on Dec 21, 2008 11:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't

like being negative either, but with the way the Cowboys have played with my emotions this year, I almost can’t help myself. I just want them to make the pain go away.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Best cure

for stinking is winning. They win out and take the Super Bowl then the loss of the last home game in TX Stadium is just a trivia question in 10 years.

by GunsUp on Dec 21, 2008 11:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just hoping for the best here

I want a chance to play minn in the first round ….Then maybe just maybe we can do to the giants what they did to us last year….Now in reality the way our team has played i do not see that happening but you never know what can happen ..thats why you play the games

by canty99 on Dec 21, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 of 3 teams we needed to lose did

So I am less unhappy than I was last night.

So frustrating coming from the early “high hopes, pie in the sky hopes”.

If this was 2003 – 2004 we would be happy with a win and in game in Philly.

But I thought we were past that stage for awhile.

Maybe setting up for a Cinderella (ala NYG) run? Maybe, but I will be encouraged by one playoff win this year, at least get off that decade long drought and build from that.

Gotta get there first, but that is my intermediate goal for this season now.

by Travlr on Dec 21, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am happy

because I’m a GIANTS fan.
Seriously though, Dallas could not have knwon Baltimore was going to run the ball in those situations.
I promised I’d be back to take a whooping if the Boys made the playoffs; I believe they will beat hte eagles and take the 6 seed; I believe that no wild cards will lose this year because MINN and ARIZ suck soo bad
The Giants WILL mail it in against MIN so good luck against MIN/CHI… I can’t wait to KO the cowgirls from 2 straight playoffs

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 21, 2008 11:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You are on , slick

If we play in the championship or division game, it will be a blast!

History being flipped, Giants #1 seed this year, Wildcard Cowboys dumping them on their own turf.

Good manning up to hang around for your whooping :)

by Travlr on Dec 22, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Be careful for what you wish for

what goes around comes around

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

first time

a cowgirl fan ever said “good manning”

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 22, 2008 12:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I have

but actually referring the THE good manning. I can respect the fact that your a Giants fan if you can admit Eli is not a GOOD qb. i’m not saying he is bad, but he is in no way a playmaker (yeah yeah other than the tyree play).

by witten82 on Dec 22, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He always gets it done in 2 minutes

And statistically he’s very similar to your beloved Tony Homo.
His TD/INT ratio’s a little better, he’s passed for about 10 less yards per game…

And he’s never fumbled a long snap or thrown an INT in the end zone to end a season.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 23, 2008 7:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nowhere

Did I even mention Romo’s name in my post. However I have to admit your nickname for him was rather original. I’m not saying Eli doesn’t always get it done in 2 minutes, I just have never witnessed any notable moments, so could you give examples. I’m from NJ, so my brother, cousin, and two best friends are all die-hard Giants fans, and they don’t say Eli is bad but never ever talk him up, which is very respectable. He is solid, yes, but give him an offensive line that is not elite, and he is no where near as good as he looked this year, which still isn’t as impressive as THE good manning.

by witten82 on Dec 23, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

on his wedding night

1. 53-second TD drive to end the half against the Cowgirls (2007 NFC Div.)
2. End of regulation against the Packers in NFC (FG missed)
3. Um, the Superbowl

Eli is clearly an above average quarterback. He’s an accurate passer, he’s moderately elusive, and he’s good under pressure. Do you remember when they threw that late grounding flag on Romeo and he had a hissy fit? Eli’s got composure.

And re: desperate Hail Mary — The Cowgirls got the ball in Giants territory with 1:50 remaining in the game. So you can blame Tone Loc for taking 1:20 to get to the 22… where he went 1-4 for 4 yards and an INT.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 24, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I obviousley saw all those games

He is as good as his offensive line is. He showed against us he can’t avoid pressure, and once the pass rush is on he is back to mistake making Eli. Romo’s ability to avoid pressure has diminished recently, which is hopefully just because he is hurt, but Romo has made more plays by himself than Eli has ever made. Not taking anything away from his heroics in the playoffs last year, because he got it done when it counted, but Eli just isn’t a playmaker. Other than that I have never seen him make plays by himself.

by witten82 on Dec 25, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

The interception was a desperation hail mary. There was obviously gonna be a swarm of blue jerseys around that ball. How could anyone blame that INT on Romo?

by witten82 on Dec 23, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO Timeout's

less than 20 seconds to go in the game, 25 yards away from the endzone, 4th down… of course it’s going to the endzone…

by commoncents on Dec 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Romo over Eli with 2 minutes left

any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 23, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping DAL. makes the playoffs

If you can find a way to lose to the lowly Vikes, Bears, or Cards, you will set an NFL record for consecutive playoff losses at 7

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 24, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok I think I got this

Simple as I can figure it out, If we win we in, no matter what, we lose we out no matter what, we win, and Atl loss we have 5 seed. Atl might have a let down, and last time Cowboys played at Arizona, there was more Cowboy fans there than Arizona fans. But I wouldnt mind Minny or Chicago either, neither are that good.

by NamingRightsOnSale on Dec 22, 2008 12:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta Could Have a Bye

If they beat St. Louis at home and the Panthers lose at New Orleans, both teams would be 11-5. They split their two head-to-head games, and would both have 3-3 divisional records. The next tiebreaker is common games, and they would both be 10-5 in those games…which takes us to conference records, and Atlanta would own that advantage 8-4 to 7-5.

The team that only won four games last year, and started a rookie QB, could well be the second seed in the NFC playoffs.

The churn from year to year is remarkable, and makes our inability to play at a consistently great level all the more frustrating.

by kindablue on Dec 22, 2008 12:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

GM GM GM

If we had a real GM, Jerry Jones could have walked down the hall mid-season and asked him why we had such a pathetic situation at backup quarterback. Instead, our owner/GM claimed that he was misled by the coaches, and it was their fault, not his. So for those of you who think that all we need to do is get a different head coach, I beg to differ. When, on the pre-game show and post-game show, several players, including Romo, talk about their pregame discussion with Jerry, it is obvious that this team cannot be fixed by changing head coaches.

The face of the franchise must be the head coach. Our owner can’t allow that, which is one of the main reasons that Parcells left. And, if you don’t believe that Parcells constructed the team that had 13 Pro Bowl players last year, you must not have been watching Miami this season.

The only way that we can get a permanent fix to the problem is to have one person, the Head Coach, as the person to whom all players are accountable. A groundswell of fan insistence on sites like this and in other media outlets are the only way that can happen. Otherwise, we will muddle around until Jerry retires, with the players confused about whether the Head Coach decides that they start or Jerry does. It must be the head coach.

Can we get to the Super Bowl? Romo gets two more seconds in the pocket than almost all quarterbacks he faces. Romo has the best, or one of the top three, receiver corps in the NFL. He has the best tight end in the NFL. Other quarterbacks would give anything to have these advantages that Romo enjoys. We’ll see what happens. Big fixes need to be made, but they are not at the Head Coach position. If there is a change there, let’s talk in a couple of years.

by rrb on Dec 22, 2008 1:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Never going to happen.

Nor should it. You list “Romo has the best, or one of the top three, receiver corps in the NFL. He has the best tight end in the NFL” well it was our GM Jerry Jones who provided Romo with all these advantages.

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 1:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 7:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I clearly have been watching them.

There are some games, like the ones we lose, in which he gets about the same time as other quarterbacks. If you have the games on dvr, check it out. Any quarterback would smile with that kind of time.

by rrb on Dec 22, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

I review every game. Read the story below this one. There was NO pass protection this week.
There are many reasons Dallas lost, but that was probably the biggest one.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if anything

Romo’s ability to bob and weave buys him extra time but it’s not any help from his line…

by Scoobay on Dec 22, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

numerous times Raven LBs ran through our line untouched on to have Romo avoid them before throwing the ball

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"if you don’t believe that Parcells constructed the team that had 13 Pro Bowl players last year"

How many of those 13 Pro Bowlers were Parcells signings and how many were Jones?

Parcells
1. Romo
2. Barber
3. Ware
4. Newman
5. Witten
6. McBriar

Jones
1. Adams
2. Gurode
3. Davis
4. Hamlin
5. Ellis
6. Owens
7. Thong

Your argument would carry more weight if you could produce some facts to back it up.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And yours would carry more weight

If anyone REALLY knew who called the shots while Bill was here. For instance, it’s well known he wanted Spears before Ware. So how can you put Ware in his category? Jerry overruled him on that one so they say.

by mhuff13 on Dec 22, 2008 2:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhmm....

-The Ware pick was strictly Jones. Parcells was hot for Spears who landed in his lap with the 17th pick.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 22, 2008 2:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Bobby C was whose pick

Big Bill helped, but also hurt with some his picks

Bobby C and lineman in particular

Substitute a true safety for Bobby C, and some better backups on the O line

by oldtimer on Dec 22, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Newman also was a Jerry pic...as Parcells was hired a month and a half before the 2003 NFL draft and had NO SAY whatsoever on the players selected in that years draft....

He was strickly an “observer”….as I watched the “war room” cam…and Tuna was in the shadows…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know that

and should have put Ware in the Jerry category. But that only makes the original case weaker.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Parcells

Raf, two years removed from Parcells, how many Pro Bowlers do we have? Have you noticed what Parcells has done to a pathetic team in Miami? Before Parcells arrived, how were we doing? I was not in the draft room like you were, I suppose, but the fact is that this was a poor team before Parcells arrived. He turned it around quickly by dumping players, trading and drafting others, just like he has done in Miami.

I’m not a Jerry Jones basher, but I’m very tired of the team I’ve supported for decades being ruined by a dysfunctional organizational setup. I’m not an expert, but it seeems to me that this needs to change for the team to become the team that it can be.

I think I’m the only one that carries this opinion on this site, so I’m in the wrong place. Sorry for bothering all of you with my drivel. I know that you all obviously know more than I. I won’t bother you with my posts again.

Go Cowboys!

by rrb on Dec 22, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what you're not understanding

is that Jerry Jones is not going to fire himself as GM, the organization will always be run by him, like it or not.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree Terry

BUT, i see jerry as swinging between two strong desires: the desire to win and the desire to be seen as a great football personnel man.

when the desire to win is strong, he hires a strong coach turns over control and there is a single voice in the locker room — no one would think they could cross jimmy or bill and live to tell about it. the media credits the strong coach with the teams success and jerry is marginalized

then the desire for ego and credit kicks in and jerry replaces the coach with a yes man. it becomes clear jerry is pulling the strings, he starts making statements about 500 people could coach the team, the cowboys as an organization should pay below market rates for a coach, etc. the locker room knows the coach cant discipline them, etc b/c switzergaileycampophillips isnt really in control.

i dont know enough to know who runs talent evaluation and whether JJ is a rubber stamp like most owners are or if he is strong GM who delivers talent to his coach (like say AJ Smith). I do know that the team has done better with a strong coach than a weaker one (meaning with someone established enough that they can push back against JJ and not fear getting fired – heck maybe even hope to get fired). i think it says a lot that 3 of our recent head coaches have not gotten other HC opportunities in a league full of retreads.

i think the question “is JJ a football guy” is silly. he played hs football, played in college (where he won a national championship) and has been involved in the day to day of the cowboys for 20 years now. i think that qualifies him as a football guy. to me the real question is, “is jj a good football guy?” to me that seems less clear. i think its probably fair to say the early teams were built by Jimmy — if only because its hard to imagine that the architect was a guy who played college ball but had not been involved in football for the next 20 years. the drafts certainly fell apart after Jimmy left and rebounded when Parcells came back. Maybe it was Bill, maybe JJ got better, maybe the personnel department got to do its job and when they did well JJ started listening. I think it must be some combination (based on the 08 draft that seems fair) and am not going to argue what the percentages are. I think JJ tends to assemble fantasy football rosters more than teams, but maybe thats an indictment of how the coaches manage them.. who knows. i do know that tons of teams are run by guys with far weaker football pedigrees than jerry (and run MUCH better). heck matt millen may have been the best pedigreed “football guy”in the league and scott pioli may be the worst… if the boston red sox have taught us anything its that you may be better off firing scouts and hiring harvard grads. i don’t think football is as given to statistical analysis as basesball, but in general smart guys beat ex jocks (heck look at the pats)…

in the end, i think JJ can be competent GM assuming the coach is also skilled enough to be a competent GM and has the heft to push back. unfortunately, i fear that those guys only get hired after the team disappoints enough that JJ decides rings trump accolades. if the worst thing that happens is we lose tothe eagles and he reaches that threshold it may not be a bad thing. if the best thing that happens is we win out and get the 6th lombardi, then that would be a great thing.

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What is wrong with Jerry's personnel moves since Parcells left?

We can all agree that he was running the team into the ground and that Parcells put the organization on firmer footing as to how it operates.

But Jerry’s drafts have been good. So have his free agent signings.

Parcells was good, but he had flaws. His inability to judge OL talent, most glaringly.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Raf....NOBODY can question the last two years of drafting/FA signings...period

This nonsense of putting blame on the GM is straight out absurd. Jerry has made two mistakes the past two season, keeping Brad Johnson as our back up QB, and jumping too quickly into the Jason Garrett is a “genius” soup that was being brewed up by who knows who, and both are coming back to burn him……I for one would LOVE, absolutely LOVE if there is some sucker of a GM out there that would hire on Garrett as their next head coach………I am begging and praying the New York Jets lose next week, and fail to make the playoffs, and hire their home town Jersey Boy to lead them to the promised land……any team for that matter…Detroit, San Fran, etc……cuz I’ll say it right now, IF Garrett ever ends up as HC here in Dallas…I will stop being a Cowboys fan…….I think right now he is the least experienced, most vanilla, most uncreative, most underperforming, most over rated waste of a Princeton education there in the world today….I stand by my contention that he is now the worst OC in the entire league…..and the real blame for the demise of this great francxhise…..Garrett MUST GO……NOW …..IF I was GM…I would fire him right now…cuz it’s not Wade who runs the Offense, It’s not Jerry the GM running the O, It’s solely Jason Friggin’ Garrett….the most pitiful display of coaching i’ve seen in my 30+ years of playing and following football…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think

part of the GM’s job is to hire the coach.

on teams were the GM doesnt have that authority, it goes to the owner.

JJ is both, so the buck stops with him.

he has done one of the worst jobs of hiring coaches in the league: switzer, gailey, campo anyone…

heck, anyone who hires a coach to piss off his last coach is a pretty bad decision maker. that was an example of his ego costing the team a trophy.

now, if the gm/owner goes and collects an all star team of talent, hires a weak coach, then undermines the coach so the team has no discipline then its his fault.

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wade and Jason G.

Had all the power they needed when we were 3-0, the problem is the team started to tail off.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

looks like you're out as a fan Boyz

cuz everyone knows Jerry will promote Garrett as the next HC, I think thats a given.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No Terry....Even Jerry KNOWS he overestimated Garrett's abilities.....

That’s why he defends and even backs up TO and his rants for the ball, because he knows Garrett SUCKS and doesn’t utilize his players properly…..I think Garrett is gone as soon as we loose our next game….Wade is more secure than Garrett….believe that…Crayton, Williams, and TO had a meeting with Garrett for one reason…to tell him that he sucks and they’re fed up with his bullsh*t playcalling abilities……..look at his video after the game…Garrett is a wuss boy…..and goes on to deflect blame by blaming lack of execution ???…are you kidding me ….a 3rd and 3…and this assclown sends 4 receivers 20 yards down field against a 2 deep safety zone blitz ? ….Garrett is as good as gone……..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

but jerry isnt the kind who admits a mistake.

he just goes with it till it implodes.

kind of like on sienfeld when george drove his in-laws all the way to the hamptons before admitting he didnt have a house in the hamptons

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we'll see

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garetts not going to be fired.

And hes only a second year OC, show some patience.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Jerry isn’t firing Garrett. This season is far from over. You have to have patience. If the NFL was easy, you wouldn’t love it as much as you do..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One could argue that Ware was a Jerry's pick....

Wasn’t it rumor that Parcells wanted Spears at 11 not Ware..

Werd is a Turd......

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't there but I've been told by somebody who was

that Parcells wanted Spears at 11 and pouted until he was able to scoop him up at 18.
He also wanted Merriman over Ware. He was overruled by the Jerry-Stephen tag team.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I

remember everyone saying they were going Merriman over Ware.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Dec 22, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Still Alive

We control our own destiny. You can’t ask for more than that…it’s up to the team to beat the Eagles if they want the playoffs bad enough.

by Cowboys4Life on Dec 22, 2008 1:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Let's fess up to the fact

that the Boys have had their worst games against AFC opponents lately, and we still have a running shot at our NFC East brethren. I like our chances next week even though it is an away game in that most-unfriendly of places. All we need to do is get in the dance and anything is possible from there.

by Benthere on Dec 22, 2008 2:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

For those out there...

who believe the Cowboys do not deserve to play for the last wild card spot, here are some reasons why you get in any way you can.

Through the first nine weeks of the season leading up to the bye, the Cowboys were a pedestrian 5-4 and were all but done. Nobody gave them a shot at making the playoffs.

In six games since the bye the Cowboys are 4-2 and every single, solitary victory has been in convincing fashion. The Cowboys defense smothered the Redskins, 49ers, Seahawks and Giants. Take the two losses. The defense played lights out, save for the last two Baltimore drives, and definitely deserved to win against the Steelers and the Ravens game was there for the taking. The Cowboys are not getting blown out of games or backing into the playoffs like the Cardinals.

Who here believes that the Steelers can beat the Cowboys on a neutral field, say Tampa?

There are no teams in the NFL that have a better chance at beating the Cowboys, than the Cowboys have at beating them.

If the Cowboys can manage a victory at the Linc and get into the playoffs, I don’t see any team that should scare the Cowboys, the Giants and Brandon Jacobs included.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 22, 2008 3:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

The way the NFL, and especially the NFC is shaping up, there isnt a team in the league I wouldnt back the Cowboys to beat. (Including the Ravens or Steelers in the event of a rematch.)

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 4:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please, cliche police, don't stomp on my balls with a hot nail boot.

What’s that old saying? Good teams find way to win games……..and……..and…..AND….
yes, sir, bad teams find ways to lose games. The Cowboys were in very favorable situations against both the Steelers and Ravens (with all the missing wide open receivers and bobbled fumble recoveries) yet they managed to unearth ways to lose both games.

If BSPN ever resurrected their little Playmakers football show and you worked in all that crap that happened during Saturday Night’s game into a screenplay, you would get slapped upside the head with that script because of how ridiculous they’d tell you it all was: What? Anthony Anderson’s tubby fullback character seals the game with an 80-yard touchdown run; are you serious?

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How were we in a good position against the Ravens?

We didnt have the lead the entire second half. And last year we had those comebacks against Detroit and Buffalo, and other close wins. How far into the playoffs did that good team go?

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 4:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Think about last year's Detroit and Buffalo and compare them to this year's Steelers and Ravens.

It was a very winnable game. Count all the missed opportunities the Cowboys had and tell me it wasn’t a very winnable game. Off the top of my head:
-T.O. losing a sure TD pass in the lights.
-Romo overcompensating for T.O.‘s gaffe by throwing a pick that the Ravens turn into a field goal before the half.
-Romo missing a wide open Miles Austin on another probable TD pass.
-Hamlin failing to come up with a fumble recovery
-Holding the Ravens to a field goal attempt only to have them run a fake.
-Choice who played an excellent game bungling an option pitch on a play that would’ve at least gotten them inside the 5-yard line.

Then, of course, the aformentioned back-to-back long TD runs by McGahee and McClain.

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 4:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

according to your logic...

All 32 teams don’t deserve to win the Super Bowl, maybe the NFL should crown the Florida Gators world champions.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 22, 2008 4:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What logic? What's this deserve nonsense? Make sense when replying or don't.

I simply stated they lost two games they had every chance to win; one where they had a 10-point lead deep into the 4th quarter and one where they made at least a half-dozen crippling mistakes I don’t recall Aikman, Emmitt, and the rest of that bunch making.

Coincidentally, those two games were against the best teams they’ve played over the last six games; well, except for the Giants who let’s face it were in a mini-slump of their own last week. At the Redskins was a tough win the Cowboys needed to be certain, but let’s face it; they’re still the same middle-of-the-road eternally 9-7 team Joe Gibbs has coached these past few years.

If the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, they’ll certainly deserve it. Who even brought that up besides you, though? Although if the Cowboys were to lose next week and still back in that’s called getting lucky. That much is indisputable.

My point was let’s not pretend that they played great against the Steelers or Ravens. The team as a whole played very uneven and just good enough to break your heart making you think they had the Steelers game sealed after that goalline stand then they actually had folks not just believing but knowing Romo would make good on the chance to win the game at the end when the score was cut to 24-19 and then 26-24. What happened? Something that never happened before in NFL history; that’s what happened. Joe Piszarcik unprecedented; Leon Lett unprecedented. 150 yards on two rushing attempts.

So nobody should be hyperextending their elbow patting themselves on the back for half of a half-@ssed job well done. The defense plays well for 50 minutes against the Steelers. Romo finally wakes up from his trance during the last 6 minutes against the Ravens; although yes, to be fair his O-line only seemed mildly irritated by consistently allowing pressure. Yeah, nobody beats the Cowboys like they beat themselves and from what I’ve seen the team the Cowboys have most thoroughly and consistenly beat on is themselves.

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 5:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

go cowboys.

"Remember this. Bear Bryant retired at age 69, and he died 28 days after he stopped coaching. If you don't have something, and a purpose in your life, you're gonna die."- Lou Holtz (funny old man)

by BLUE_Thru-n-Thru on Dec 22, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We always seem to make some sort of history

" 150 yards on two rushing attempts."

Was wondering if that was a record. Sure felt like it…………………

by oldtimer on Dec 22, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our defense has not shown to me

the ability to finish a game. Examples would be the 1st Redskins game, the Cardinals, 1st Giants, Steelers and Ravens. This defense is awful in the 4th quarter

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lets beat the eagles

we win we’re in
end of story

Superbowl or Bust?

by MrMinority on Dec 22, 2008 4:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tom Landry's Revenge

I believe Tom Landry got his revenge on Jerry Jones the other night..with a little help from God, of course.

I don’t feel so bad now :)

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Dec 22, 2008 5:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dear God in heaven

I was in a pretty good mood til I logged in here this a.m. What a bunch of whiny wusses everyone is being. Who said something about a reset button? And the fact that the Eagles may know before they step onto the field that they have no chance? Westbrook is banged up? McNabb is still a little confused about the way things work in the NFL? The Panthers defense sucks mouse titties, the Giants can be run on pretty darn good, Minnesota doesn’t really want to be in the playoffs, Arizona wishes maybe they were’nt, and that leaves Atlanta. OK, I’ll bite. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, sniff, sniff, fingers in my ears, eyes shut really tight, where’s my blanket?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 22, 2008 7:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

did you

expect the Cowboys to not care if they played well on Saturday, and to not be prepared? So, then, if you did expect that, then why would you expect them to prepare better for a road game vs a divisional rival who can keep them out of the playoffs?
See… most of us who follow the Cowboys were fairly surprised they couldn’t give a F about being prepared to win the final game at Texas Stadium in a game that will clinch them a playoff spot. The lack of effort and focus leads us to believe that we can assume they’ll be similarly unfocused and lazy vs the Eagles.

by Joey2zs on Dec 22, 2008 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bad assumption

Ravens wasn’t a must win game and the Cowboys knew that. They knew unless the 3 out of 4 NFC teams lost over the weekend (Atl, TB, Philly and Chi), they still needed to beat the Eagles.

Could it be the Cowboys were looking past the Ravens to this week’s game? Very possible.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right

that’s what it was. it was a vacation. they knew they didn’t have to win, so they just shouldn’t.

Um. Bad Rationalization

by Joey2zs on Dec 22, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not a vacation, but they obviously didn't play

with a sense of urgency like they did against Pittsburgh and GMen, I think that was obvious and quite frankly lead to the defeat.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

respectfully,

you’re wrong. A player who elects to execute or “play with urgency” is a bum. He’s totally unreliable.
Teams can collectively lay an egg now and then, but it’s usually a random set of circumstances. Teams with dull minds lose when they ought to win. Dallas Cowboys 2008-2009 = A team with dull minds

by Joey2zs on Dec 22, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the bottom line

is the team came out flat and didn’t play with a sense of urgency, whether they elected to do so consciously or not, I don’t know, but thats what happened.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude. That's retarded. Thanks, now my head actually hurts.

No, it’s not possible. They weren’t playing the freakin’ Bangles. If anything they should’ve been up to prove to themselves they were capable of beating a hard-nosed team.

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

obviously they weren't

If you’re a Cowboys fan then you should know this is how the team operates, they never play with a sense of urgency until they absolutely have to.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if that was so......

That’s no kind of silver lining to be proud of or even make light of. Besides, prior to the Ravens game how many players do you honestly believe could relay the exact scenarios of them being able to lose to the Ravens and which teams had to lose for them to still make it into the playoffs?

The only scenario that was running through their heads was “we win out and we’re in.” Besides prior to the Ravens game, the Bucs and Falcons had one difficult game remaining and one cupcake remaining as those teams finish up against the Raiders and Rams. So there was nothing resembling a guarantee that the teams in front of them were going to lose again. It just so happens the Bucs did lose but if the Cowboys mentally let it up because they were expecting anything of the sort then they truly are egg sucking dogs.

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying they did that on purpose

I’m saying it could have been a subconscious thing knowing that they had to beat the Eagles no matter what and might have been looking past the ravens, not consciously but subconsciously.

How else do you explain such a flat performance? Its the only thing that makes sense to me.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I might agree with you, but this isnt the only time this team has come out flat this year.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo was sure looking past his receivers...

evident of his grossly overthrown would be TD passes to Austin and TO..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NFC Least

I think the only thing that was proven this weekend is that the AFC is playing a helluva lot better than the NFC right now. NFC east? Wasn’t that once the toughest division in football? Now its a joke with the “powerhouse” cowboys and eagles fighting for the right to limp into the playoffs.

The good news is that if the cowboys can make it, they wouldn’t have superior competion unless they make it to the SB.

by Billito on Dec 22, 2008 7:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

but the reason they're limping...

is beacause the NFC East has spent entire season kicking the crap out of each other.
I think that does make it the best division in football

side note:
December 28, 1996 – Dallas’ last playoff win
February 10, 1997 – Mario Kart for Nintendo 64 is released

by 700 Level on Dec 22, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

Have you looked at division standings lately? NFC East is still the strongest with all the teams above .500. Outside of the Titans being the dominant team in the AFC every other team can be beaten on any given Sunday. Ok and speaking of this weekend lets review the games.
MIA 38 @ KC 31
PIT 14 @ TEN 31: TEN being dominant as expected
IND 31 @ JAC 24: Close game that Jacksonville gave away
CIN 14 @ CLE 0 :…..Third place in the AFC North Bowl
SD 41 @ TB 24: Tampa has been on a severe slide.
ARI 7 @ NE 47: Is this the game your statement is based on? I see a team that struggled in the snow. NE hasn’t dominated a NFC team like this all season. Not even the lowly Rams or Seahawks. It’s not a trend.

by MdFan24 on Dec 22, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man I love D-19's refreshing posts

What she is asking gentlemen is “what is that hanging between your legs, walnuts or tennis balls?”

All the cowboys can do is man up and play football. What is meant to be is what will happen. All we can do is man up and watch.

Having said that, my advice to all is to not be Charlie Brown. Lucy is holding the football and tempting us to believe we can finally sneak up on her and kick it.

Saturday night, I charged. I went “all in” as Tex suggested recently. I ended up flying through the air screaming “UUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH” and lying flat on my back when it was over, staring up at the sky and wondering how i fell for it again.

It hurt, it hurt like the steelers game. Many of you likely felt the same, and this is why you lash out so much. Stop charging the football b/c Lucy might just pull it back again, just to watch you go flying through the air screaming.

I’ll watch sunday and I’ll hope the boys can get it together enough to make some noise in January. I wont give in to Lucy anymore though. I’ll just live with whatever happens, and still call myself a cowboy’s fan, here in the midst of all these skins fanatics, b/c we’ll still be Amercia’s Team.

So if they lose this week or next, or the next after, “look up, get up, and never give up.”

by THEjarhead on Dec 22, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the offense needs to 'bend but not break'

Raef had predicted a Cowboys W over the Ravens. What he, and the rest of us, did not predict, is that for 3 quarters Romo would have one of his worse games as a Cowboy (he ended up with a 66.2 but his first 3Q play was worse than that number). That being said the matchup with the Eagles is intriquing as Jim Johnson has gone all or nothing on Romo in the past few years. There has not been much middle ground in Romo’s stats against the Eagles D. Either he has pro-bowl QB rating or a Brad Johnson QB rating:

’06=45.5
’07=141.7 and 22.2
’08=123.2

The question is: What Romo will lace up? Maybe next week is the week that bucks the trend. If Romo has a QB rating in the Eli Manning range 100-80, then I think the Cowboys win this game because of the stepped-up play of thier defense. If Jim Johnson forces Romo into a 40- rating, similar to his stretch at the end of ’07 (even though the playoffs were in the bag) then I think we may be facing a long offseason.

by Kansas on Dec 22, 2008 10:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No question Romo's performance will be the key

We will either live or die by him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

would that it werent true but you are right

the team will win more when romo learns to turn in games with no TO’s and 78 rating. so far its either 33 or 115.

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We always do

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas

Pass protection has a direct effect on QB rating. Romo has been running for his life the past two weeks. My thinking right now is the defense will have to win this one, cause the line because Spagnulo beat up the line and Rex Ryan bamboozled them.

Think back to week two, when Dallas scored 41 and Romo had htat 142 QB rating.

He wasn’t sacked.

Do you trust the line right now? I have to admit I don’t.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We need a rhythm on offense

I have a bad feeling about this game. I think Jim Johnson was very nice to us back in Week 2. I don’t think he will be so nice to us on Sunday

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We should be more familiar with the Eagles and their blitz schemes.

So hopefully our line will have more success this week.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy smokes.

Skip Brainless actually corrected Stephen Ashhole Smith on Stale Pizza reminding him that Romo played great late. Yes, I know we’re supposed to be boycotting BSPN and I rarely watch Sportsdumpster or Countdown anymore but as far as Skippy goes I can’t help it; I’m a fan of the absurd and what better way to take my pain after the absurd goings-on Saturday Night than to listen to the master of hocus pocus and his unique take on the game?

by MadMick on Dec 22, 2008 10:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I

was listening to Colin Cowherd on the way to work. He thinks Dallas will win Sunday, then go and beat the Vikes in the first round. Deion Sanders also thinks the Boys will win, so they’re getting some credit it looks like this week.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Dec 22, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gametime for Sunday has changed....

due to the flex scheduling….the Cowboy game is now at 3:15pm CT.

Just thought I would mention this so the countdown clock on the front page can be changed.

t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"

by bspate on Dec 22, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, they did it!

So the Eagles can know they are playing for nothing! (other than spoiler) once the Bucs smack the Raiders!

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 22, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Game moved as expected
On FOX, the Dallas at Philadelphia game, which is oozing with playoff possibilities, has been moved to 4:15 p.m. EST as well

.

Werd is a Turd......

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo's comment and something to chew on for Sunday's Game

I though Romo’s comment after the game that “You see the division opponents pretty regularly, you get to know where guys are at and what positions they’re playing, we didn’t really figure that stuff out [on the Ravens] until the 4th quarter” was particularly interesting. Even against Jim Johnson’s complex defenses, Romo clearly feels he has a handle on them now (and the early season MNF game would seem to support that). But the unfamiliar opponent, both in personnel and scheme, of the Ravens gave him and Garrett a lot of trouble.

I bring this up because it makes me feel better about this Sunday’s game against the Eagles. Of course, to expect Andy Reid and JJ to rest on their laurels in terms of game-planning against the Cowboys is absurd. The two of them, and Reid in particular, always seem to put together their best game plans against the ‘Boys. It’s one of the things I hate most about this generation of Eagles teams.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 22, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I said that right away after the game

This is only the 3rd year Romo has started, so obviously there were defenses he never saw before. Its one thing looking and studying a defense on film, but its another to face that defense live on the field when the bullets are flying.

Romo has now seen Philly’s defense 4 times and I am quite confident he’ll play well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, Tim

but Romo figured them out. Leonard Davis never did. The QB and receivers made 4th quarter plays with Ravens laying out Romo on every throw.

I do think Dallas can and probably will win an ugly game, but Romo cannot keep absorbing beatings like this week in and week out. He’ll break down again.

If you’ve got the stomach, review the Ravens game and focus on right guard. Leonard Davis had about as bad a game as I’ve seen a Cowboys player have this year, and there are several candidates to choose from.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Time to change it up.. Can we put Jason Garrett up in the booth, maybe he needs more of birds eye view to see what is really going.. Maybe if he sees Leonard Davis getting beat from the booth he makes the proper adjustment..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else see Romo's quotes

about his two interceptions?

If quoted accurately by JJT, he really just brushed them off as being inconsequential. It really rubbed me the wrong way. Obviously the second Ed Reed int led to a FG.

I remember when Quincy Carter used to be blase about his bad plays, it made me furious. I want a penitential attitude!

by DavidH22 on Dec 22, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yes

he has very little ball discipline

clearly turnovers dont eat at him

i am not even sure losing does

i cant recall aikman ever saying a turnover didnt matter, then again thats why troy has three rings

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if Ed Reed wasn't such as a great player

those 2 INTs would have meant very little, the first one actually set up our first TD.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no, the int did not set up a TD

Ware’s sack / strip set up a TD.

If Romo had done his job and thrown the ball away its a decent chance we would have gotten a FG then kicked off to the Ravens and Ware strip / sack would have been about the 15 instead of the 4. Then the team could have been looking at a quick 10 lead against a team that doesnt score much.

the INT was a stupid play not a way to set up a TD. you lose credibility when you claim it was some special godsend where Romo helped score.

then again, by your logic, hamli must have set up witten’s TD by getting the ball to romo in a hurry??

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't understand

On the deep route is why TO and Roy Williams both went deep? Easy reed for Reed why not run TO on a more shallow route on Reed’s side?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Any news?

Any news on Holland? We really need him. I can’t believe that McQuistan can’t get on the field before Proctor. I guess this mean our OL back-ups stink. If we get beat next week then I can see Jerry letting Wade go. Jerry will want to make a move considering they are moving to the new stadium next year. I would vote for Holgrom as HC and Dom Capers as DC. I kind of feel sorry for Wade though because the D has been playing pretty good (minus the 2 runs against Balt) but it’s been the Offense that has killed us.

by tyler2 on Dec 22, 2008 11:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Red ball

is the one to blame for the trouble. But the penalties all falls on Wade

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remaining Angst from Saturday

The first huge game turning running play verse Dallas was the result of over aggressive play and poor tackling on the player’s part.

But I put the second long run on the coaches. How to the coaches allow them to make the same mistake a few minutes latter. It seems they saw it as bad luck and allowed the defense to over-crowd the line and play in a similar manner a few plays later. I am all for filling all the gaps, but it’s ok if there are two men who are 10 yards off the line who can move to the hole in case a player or two get beat or miss a tackle.

So disappointing, that when the offense finally figured out the Raven’s defense the defense that kept them in the game has a complete and unforgettable breakdown. It was the worse example of this team finding a new way to lose that I have ever seen produced. This one stunk in new ways and was way more disappointing the Pittsburgh loss.

A co-worker spent $3000 to get good seats and fly into the game. I have to give him props, because he did not call in sick after experiencing that game in person.

by Trey, on Dec 22, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Trey

It’s an isolation play the Ravens ran each time. Baltimore had seven blockers on the line. Dallas had seven DL and LBs. It was man on man.

The safeties have to come up and make the tackles. Both of them failed on both plays.

Until the coaches figure out how to sneak 12 players onto the field, the safeties have to make the tackles. It’s football 101 and Keith and Ken failed the football equivalent of 2+2.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Philly should run 10+ isolation plays to see if the Dallas Safties learned to tackle this week

Am I misremembering it or was the defense not packed in close playing with nine men, including both safties within 8 yards of the line of scrimage. If so, that is not a formation they used the other 55 minutes of the game away from the goal-line.

Knowing the play was a run, Dallas crowed the line like it was goal-line play. A missed tackle at the goal-line gives up the TD, but at the 18 and 23 it gave up 77 and 82 yards.

by Trey, on Dec 22, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is going to happen

Westbrook is Philly biggest weapon, trust me they will take a long look at both of those runs..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+100000000

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx Jarhead :)

What is worrisome to me now is that our O-line is somehow mentally deficient. I didn’t know that, but Raf does. I just know that for whatever reason the results are retarded, but I now worry that THEY are retarded. Jeez, football is kinda complicated, it really is a thinking man’s game. But, it would seem that if you practice and do the same things over and over again, you should be able to get pretty good at it, as referenced by our matchups with our division mates mentioned above. Sooooo, maybe now that we have seen something unfamiliar, new and different, maybe these dogs can learn new tricks. Hope so. Back injuries are the very worst, and we need every little butt wiggle Tony can muster up.

And what’s the dang deal with MB. I hope he doesn’t play, we need to get his widdle toe fixed.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 22, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can someone please

tell me why we drafted Roy Williams? I love the guy but it is obvious we do not know how to use him. And why do we continue to run nothing but long developing routes with our recievers? Do you think maybe we could decide on a snap count that everyone understands and knows!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

RW is new to this offense and has a bad hoof....

It’s going to take some time to get comfortable in this offense. He will be much improved next year..

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

excuse me

I meant traded!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a bunch of

garbage! you mean to tell me he is so out of balance with this offense that the only way we can get him involved is by the end around or a screen? Come on! and besides if they are not going to use him then why make the move in the middle of the year? His hoof is not hurt enough to warrant not throwing him the ball!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 11:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I watched a replay of the Pittsburgh game. He was not open very often. Romo has not been throwing so sharply that he is hitting WR who only have a sholder on their man. I think the foot is hurting his ability to seperate and the lack of the lack of experience with Romo and the offense means they do not have the trust and sure knowledge of what the other is going to do that is needed to overcome the lack of seperation.

by Trey, on Dec 22, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He can't get seperation due to his injury

which makes him less effective…..RW has no chemistry with Romo and has little experience in this offense. You can’t underestimate that.

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

NYG

Best thing for them during the pre-season was Burress injury, Eli was forced to throw to Hixon

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well that makes

two recievers that we have that can get no seperation, and have chemistry problems. Don’t you think we might want to adjust the way we are doing things? Why continue to run the same crap over and over and expect different results? other than to make us go crazy! Jason Garrett has been outcoached several times this year and refuses to change things up! How about putting our gimpy recievers in motion? everytime we do this we get results! I guess getting gimpy, no seperation getting recievers to run triple move long distance routes is the best way to utilize them! NOT

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to adjust when the parts are moving

Williams is not 100%. He’s not close. He’s useless as a deep weapon.
Teams know this and are contining to double T.O.
Austin is getting more work and is making some plays, but he just came back last week from an injury. I think he’ll get more throws the rest of the way.

Witten is the bionic man or the passing offense would completely collapse.
Dallas is using their 3rd string RB and has nobody behind him. Barber will not be 100% or close to it for the rest of the year.

And the line has suddenly decided to see no rusher, hear no rusher and block no rusher.

It’s not as simple as it looks.

I do agree that Jason Garrett is missing on some things, but it’s not as if he’s got a lean, clean machine that is only performing at 40% of capacity.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The area where I think Garrett is failing

is not trusting Choice with their regular running game.

All this shot gun crap. Put Choice in an I and let him run Barber’s slate of plays.

Thought I wonder if the shotgun is more to protect Romo from getting battered more, because the protection has been so leaky.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur

our running game is the draw out of the shotgun. Not good at all

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the ONLY running play called ALL game....predictable ??

The fact that Choice still had 90 yards is amazing……just think if we did a few off tackle plays that have been our bread and butter all year…Garrett SUCKS

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, re: Choice regular running formations

I don’t remember them running out of I formation or whatever regular formation (i.e., not shotgun) on 3rd and short against Baltimore. Maybe once. The thing is, Choice has not lost yardage on a carry I think since Pittsburgh!. In fact, I bet someone has the stats which shows how many of his 79 carries have been for zero or negative yards. I bet just from watching, the number is less than a handful. The dude just seems to be able to squirt forward for at least 1-2 yards every single time. Am I wrong, people!?

by DavidH22 on Dec 22, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo's decision-making

Raf,

I’ve been a long-time reader of yours going back to the ‘Boys Blog days — I really appreciate your detailed write-ups and sharp analysis of the games. I didn’t see the game Sat. night, but from watching the highlights I think you’re correct to place most of the blame for the offense’s woes on a terrible performance from the O-line.

That said, doesn’t Romo’s more-than-occasional propensity for truly atrocious decisions bother you just as much when thinking about this team over the long haul? I just watched the highlights… that first pick to Ed Reed was just terrible. 2nd-and-3 near midfield, a designed roll-out, a little pressure but Romo has plenty of time to look downfield and make his read. T.O. is covered and Williams is DOUBLE-covered, yet Romo forces an ugly jump-ball to RW that Reed picks off easily. It’s second and three, Tony! Just throw the damn ball away and live to fight on a short third down.

The second pick was only slightly more excusable — Flozell let Suggs come completely unblocked, so Romo has to spin to avoid the sack and then make a quick decision. But again, situational awareness: Throw the damn ball away and punt and be satisfied going into the half with a 7-6 lead after a crappy first half.

I agree that this team is much worse without Romo, and his big plays more than make up for occasional mistakes. But until he really learns how to distinguish b/w the moments when risk-taking is required and when it’s not, I’m afraid this team won’t get to the promised land.

by DCRedbird on Dec 22, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo's bad plays upset me

but I don’t think he’s any worse than before and he’s carrying the offense right now.

I look at each game and try to apportion the game accordingly. When he’s the biggest offender, he’ll get the rip. He lost the Steelers game. The rest of the team played well enough to win and he had his worst game of the year.

Last week, he made mistakes but man, to see the o-line blowing assignments over 50% of the time, well, I think they’re going to be the more likely reason this team doesn’t go far the next few weeks.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the failure of the O-Line

and offense as whole for that matter should fall directly onto the shoulders of the offensive coaching staff! this team was not prepared offensively this week!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The O line is not to blame for 21 incomplete passes....Romo was more off target in this game than Pittsburgh even..

It wasn’t until late in the fourth quarter that he finally got his accuracy back to respectability……He HAS to warm up earlier or longer before games, cuz some of those throws were 5-10 YARDS off target…..at first they were underthrow (INT’s), then he was overthrowing (missed TD passes to TO and Austin)…..He’s been slightly off all season, but last game was down right ugly to watch…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said

Romo played well nor did I say it was the O-Lines fault wll I said is that Garrett and the other coaches should be held accountable mostly!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looked like RW gave up

Not trying to justify the throw Romo made on his first pick, but it looked to me like Roy Williams gave up on the play and Ed Reed acted more like a WR than Roy. Don’t have the game DVR’d but that’s what I recall.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Dec 22, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He had

to come waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to even make a play on that ball! it was not even in his area, it was more to Ed Reed than RW thats why he looked like the reciever!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bags..you just answered the problem..It's not Roy Williams, It's the damn play calling...

I truely believe any hard core fan on this site can call a better game than Jason Garrett………..pathetic……i can’t take it much longer……

that 3rd down and 3 play……..Did anyone see a receiver even on the screen ??….ALL 4 were 20+ yards down field……3rd and 3……for pete’s sake…..Romo is left to throw to his check down a yard over the line of scrimmage……..PATHETIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if

we simplified the offense it would make things easier for everyone to get on “the same page” instead of trying to crack the DaVinci code! Just because your offense is complicated does not make it good.

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

According To Ray Lewis

Garret’s offense is one of the more simplistic offenses in the game. Dunno if Ray was BSing or not.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Dec 22, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

How difficult can everyone go deep be!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ray Lewis was right on the money...everyone bashing TO, the O Line, Romo, etc....It's friggin Garrett

go over the tape, how many different running plays did he call besides a delayed draw out of the shotgun ?….how many men were in motion to change formation or lokk ? how many drag or slant routes against an aggresive D that was blitzing up the middle all game? …how many TE/WR screens with DB’s playing 10 yards off the line ? how many curl or seem routes up the middle again a 2 deep safety formation ?….i can go on and on….Garrett SUCKS

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

do you have a link

I heard this several times, do you know where I can read this? I am not suprised, seems simple to me..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't matter

The 90s Cowboys probably had THE most simplistic offense in football. The Lombardi Packers definitely had the simplest offense in their days.

If you execute, it doesn’t matter.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, execution is the key

I don’t care if they know they play is coming or not, if you execute, and beat your man, you win, its that simple.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 22, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and the colts offense is simple too

still having a running play other than a draw out of the shotgun could be helpful…

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's definitely not all X's and O's...

but, good position coaches and head coaches will use scheme to their advantage when playing an equally talented opponent.

The 90’s Cowboys had dominant players at every position and didn’t NEED to use scheme to win big games. This team (no team, really) has that kind of roster dominance over others.

The point is, it becomes harder to execute when you lack the element of surprise than when you have it working for you.

Jason needs to figure out how to keep opponents off balance and not let them dictate what we do.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

see

I don’t think it it complicated, but I do think we try to throw downfield to often.. I think Romo needs to start putting the ball in our playmakers hands and let them do the rest. 5-8 yd routes and let them fight for more.. Especially players like TO, Roy, and Miles.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the YAC?

I thought our receivers are good at that

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YAC

usually is seen in the short passing game, something we do not use! Hard to get YAC on a 30 yard triple move out pattern!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I mean

we need to use the short passing game to play to the abilities of our WRs

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+! Wmillion....that's why we need Holmgren here at all costs......I'm even willing to accept Wade being ousted....to make this Offense better..

Bring in Holgren as Head Coach/OC and then Hire Dom Capers to run the Defense……simple as that….

Holmgren is a no nonsense disiplinarian with the savy to make this Offense click….this talent is all set to go to the West Coast style……better than the San Fran teams of old…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because

Mike Holmgren has really kicked but in seattle!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Are you being sarcastic?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes i am

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

coming into this year

he had the second best record over the last 5 years in the league behind beilcheck

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What is his

playoff record in Seattle?

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4 and 5

1 nfc championship

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

In the playoffs almost every year, he did a great job..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, how many titles does Holmgren have?

He lost to Dallas in the playoffs three years in a row before he got to a Super Bowl. He’s been in Seattle ten years and has one SB appearance.

Bill Cowher was in his 15th year before he won a Super Bowl.

It took Tony Dungy about as long.

Yet, everybody is ready to can Wade Phillips after a year and 3/4 and is CERTAIN that another regime can win a title in year one.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All the people screaming for Wade's head

would have been screaming for Holmgren to be fired right now too,

and Cowher,

and Dungy.

I know, because I had a lot of family who were telling me with absolute certainty at mid-season in 1990 that Jimmy Johnson was going to get fired after the season because the Cowboys were not a .500 team.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree

i support any coach who can stand up to JJ.
i am skeptical of any coach who gets a job due to JJ’s desire to hire a yesman.

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no..i don't want to get rid of Wade...I want Garrett out of here.......period...

I’m a Wade supporter…unlike the majority here who wanted his head after week 6……but this Offense will never go anywhere as long as Garrett is calling the plays…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

by simplified

I meant short quick passing not that its complicated.

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No argument on Garrett.....

He has been a disappointment this season….

I don’t think anyone will be breaking down his door for a coaching job after the season.

by Boyzfan94 on Dec 22, 2008 12:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I don’t think they will beat his door down, but if wanted a job, and interviewed for it, he probably gets it.. The teams that interviewed him last year loved him, I am sure the way our offense played last year has something to do with that..

Can we move Romo around? I remember teams saying they wanted to keep Romo in the pocket. We are doing them a favor by keeping him in the pocket, that just isn’t Romo’s game.. I like the way Denver uses Cutler..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

unfortunately your right Boyz.....we blew our chances last season to rid ourselves of that no good bum.....

Garrett SUCKS

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know this will never, ever happen in a million years but..

I wish Jerry would fly to Miami (or wherever he lives) get down on his knees and literally kiss Jimmy Johnson’s butt and begg him to come back.

by RPM on Dec 22, 2008 12:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think

the fire is gone w/Jimmy

in fact, hiring retreads of dallas coaches past seems to be part of JJ’s problem (see houck, hudson and campo, dave)

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On Houck I agree 100%

He should have taken Wade’s advice and hired Mike Solari.

On Campo I disagree. He’s probably been the team’s best assistant this year.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

campo?

ok, maybe, its tough for me to evaluate that. i mean when TNew plays well its tough to give him credit i also thought the team has misused talent at CB (too much lining up 10 yards off, too much using Pac in zone) and hasn’t figured out what to do at safety. having said that, who know what is wade, what is stewart and what is campo.

plus scandrick and jenkins have developed nicely, so maybe that wasnt fair.

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look,

Campo lost Newman for 11 games through no fault of his own.

He lost Pacman because he’s an assclown.

He lost Henry for a short period of time because Henry always gets dinged.

He has one average safety on his entire roster.

He’s had to force feed Scandrick and Jenkins because he’s had no choice.

He made the right call on keeping Ball over Evan Oglesby. When Oglesby was cut there was so much squealing on the DMN blog you would have thought Dallas cut Mel Renfro’s 23 year old clone.

What’s the key, line-in-the-sand moment of the season? Tampa Bay, in the second half, when Henry left and Campo had to hold the fort with Alan Ball, Scandrick and Jenkins as his secondary. And they did the job. Didn’t let Tampa get a TD.

And that’s the reason we’re still talking about this team today.

He’s been the best assistant on this staff this year.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Agree with you there Raf, he’s really got these young kids ready to play.

by joey7289 on Dec 22, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I agree

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Campo is a fine coach....I disagree that Alan Ball was a better choice than Oglesby..

It was purely a finacial move…which sucks…but hey , you can’t have 6 NFL worthy CB’s on your roster….BUt I do like Campo’s fire, and coaching approach…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's Oglesby doing right now?

Ball has done what has been asked every time he’s played. I don’t see him as being a loss.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oglesby would have done trhe same here...he's bigger, faster, stronger..he's a better CB....but it doesn't matter when your talking about your 6th CB anyways..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Dec 22, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dude

i said maybe i wasnt being fair.

i just said its hard for me to single out who is doing a good job and a bad job among the position coaches but said my issues w/campo may not be his fault.

i don’t disagree with your support of campo (i was too quick to judge) and i generally love your analysis (great stuff) but i don’t know how deep your contacts on the team are so its tough for me to understand (either to support or question) your ranking of the performance of the position coaches (e.g. the front 7 has been great do grantham and herring deserve credit? more than campo? i certainly dont know. peete has had 3 rb’s make significant impacts, maybe he wins the ribbon, beats me…)

by 325424 on Dec 22, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

Anyone who can make Martellus Bennett look good wins that award in my eyes.

HIGH AND TIGHT!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It just drives me

nuts to see us continue to run these loooooooooooong developing plays when we know we have deficiencies on the O-Line. I agree RW is hobbled and cannot get downfield so how about we use him the way he needs to be used ACROSS THE MIDDLE! you know put him in the hole T.O. is vacating by running the deep route! Every play they run is like “o.k. everybody run deep”

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That To Me Is One of the Big Problems

With the offensive playcalling. There’s plenty of field to play with, laterally as well as vertically. Good coordinators use all of it to force defenses to remain honest. And they mix up their playcalling, for example, don’t call dives up the middle on first down so often you can set your watch to them.

by kindablue on Dec 22, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, those delayed draws make me scream

I think the coaches are simply going to have to bite the bullet and trust the kids.

Put Austin at #2 and keep Crayton at 3. Put Roy Williams down. He’ll pout and this will be the new “controversy” because the press will seize on it and ask if Roy Williams was a wasted pick/desperation pick/Jerry is stupid, etc., etc. but screw them. There are games to be won. You need your three healthiest, most productive WRs out there and Austin is much better than Williams.

And I think after Baltimore they finally got the message that Marion isn’t riding in on a white horse.

Go with Miles and Tashard and don’t look back.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

especially with barber. Choice is more than capable.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Dec 22, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Strange to Me

That they keep trying to play Barber, given the severity of his injury. When I first heard of it, I thought he would have to go to IR. The good news was that if forced Choice into the lineup, who’s playing outstanding. He should have been given more chances earlier, it might have helped Barber’s durability.

I wish the coaching staff would not be so scared to play the young guys. If they can play, stick them in and let them go.

by kindablue on Dec 22, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Tashard averaged 5.3 yds a carry vs the Ravens D, yet he only gets 17 carries? Why, are we saving him for something? Choice needed to have 30 carriers..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo/Williams, so far, seem to have bad timing together.

Romo hits Austin on those crossing patterns almost every time. I’s like to see Austin in a lot more. I’m a Choice guy. I like him, and MBIII is hurt. Trying to act as if MBIII is okay, when every Cowboy fan in America can see he isn’t is nuts. I’m with Raf on both counts.

by CowboyMan on Dec 22, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett is the problem

if the offensive line is crap, shouldn’t we get the ball out of Romo’s hands quicker? I mean not forcing it deep but the WRs running slants and other shorter routes?

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Are we missing something?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Dec 22, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The running game is not used wisely

The penalties are killing me also

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every team this time

of year is dealing with injuries so that is not an excuse i am willing to use! We have had these same problems since the Green Bay game when MBIII and everyone else was healthy so health is not our problem.

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams is hobbled

but we like the Lions are trying to use him in the wrong ways! We have got to use his size and ability to CATCH!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I am

tired of the RW is hurt crap! The guy can play hurt or not and we dont even look his way!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at Derrick Mason

he was making key catches and grabbing a TD with a bad shoulder. Why can’t RW play with a bad foot

by Burt88 on Dec 22, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he can

as soon as they decide to use him!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy for a 1st and 3rd

I was excited to get him, but what did he bring so far? Are the Boys better off with Austin, Stanbeck or Crayton?

by birdness on Dec 22, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he has brought nothing

but what has crayton, austin,or stanbeck brought? makes you wonder is the players or is it their coach?

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We HAVE to address QB this upcoming year.

This is a big DUH. But not just for the obvious reasons. We need to develop another QB and FAST. Romo needs competition. I was sold on Romo last year. I think he has regressed this year. He still shows flashes of greatness but he is very inconsistent.

He was trying to hit T.O. on Saturday night over and over. What happened to his other receivers? Anyone have the game tape to be able to watch the coverages? Was Patrick Crayton blanketed? How about Miles Austin? Romo didn’t get Witten involved until late in the game, which by the way seemed like the only receiver that Romo could hit. WTF??

by torchindefenses on Dec 22, 2008 12:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seems as

though he is now trying to force things to T.O. Did you expect anything different?

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sad thing is

I think that is exactly what our coaching staff does too. ERASE THE TAPE!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is probably

their rational “if we erase the tape then it did not actually happen, therefore we can continue to run the same things”

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep them next time

and watch them a day later.

when the adrenaline isn’t flowing you find something very different about the game:

1. A win is rarely as decisive as it seemed when you were watching it;
2. A loss is rarely as awful as you remembered it live (though Leonard Davis still looks as awful today as he did Sunday. Sheesh).
3. You see the guys you thought were horrible actually made some good plays.
4. Guys you never suspected of causing the loss suddenly jump out and make you say WTF?

I find its calming, because it shows you that your knee jerk response isn’t right. And most of the time it shows that things are correctable.

It’s really a pretty even league, from top to bottom, and the games really do turn on little things.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Takes me more then a day to get the adrenaline down…..but I have started rewatching the losses too.

by Trey, on Dec 22, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I watch them too

and I dont like what I see

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Little Things?

Like taking it up the gut for 80 yards – twice!

by birdness on Dec 22, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Having your SS miss two tackles right in front of him

and having your FS miss two tackles behind him. Four little, fundamental things,

led to two huge runs.

by Rafael Vela on Dec 22, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bigg was indeed awful on Saturday...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Dec 22, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tashard Choice has 79 carries

the bulk of which have come against the Giants (twice), the Steelers and Baltimore. Out of those 79 carries, 3 have been for negative yardage (the longest being the loss of five yards with that ridiculous option play against the Ravens, the negative run against Pitt was another bad play on 3rd down out of shotgun, the other negative run was against Seattle). He’s also had six runs of “no gain.” I am not certain how that compares to other runners, but I think considering his offensive line and his opponents, and throw in the fact that his 16 combined carries against Cleveland and Seattle were late in blowouts when the defense was playing run defense, these are very impressive numbers.

To sum up – Choice has 79 carries from scrimmage, 70 have been for positive yards, or 88.7 percent of the time he has gained yards. Small sample size, I know, but still something worth considering.

by DavidH22 on Dec 22, 2008 1:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Beat Philthy

Whole lot of crying when the only thing the Boys/fans need to worry about is slapping down the Iggles.

Think about it, win one game against a hated rival – on their field, gotta love that. Then we are going to the show with five other beatable teams. The can handle the Giants, Panther can’t stop the run, Cards can’t stop anything, how will the Falcons standup to playoff pressure – playoffs!

Success is measured by Superbowls and our Boys have a great shot at getting that first ring for the other hand.

by birdness on Dec 22, 2008 1:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We are not bashing

Just want them to wake up! We dont have the luxury of another week!

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by Phillip Baggett on Dec 22, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs