Romo's on everyone's mind: turnovers, pressure and getting RW2 involved
A lot of stories on Romo lately. He is always a magnet for criticism.
Here comes JJT to jump on the bandwagon. Like Grizz, I enjoy JJT's style of writing for the most part. But sometimes he veers off the reservation.
This story is one of the stories where he takes an inference and stretches it to limit. He said T.O. didn't know his plays based on scant evidence. He said T.O. was washed up based on declining numbers this year (then he looked like a fool the following week). Now he's saying Romo doesn't understand the advantage of taking care of the ball because of a comment he made after Saturday's loss.
I'd argue that Romo turns the ball over too much and any inference that comes with that. But he doesn't understand that throwing picks is a bad thing? Really?
Sigh. Again, this is an argument over a subjective thing. How do you know that? Have you crawled into his mind? Again, stick to the objective tangible things. He turns the ball over too much. That's fair. He doesn't understand turnovers are bad. Unfair.
Ok. I got one. JJT doesn't know the difference between football and flatulence. Numerous unnamed sources confirm this. Plus, we've never seen him explain the difference between the two. So it must be true.
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Anyways, after an embarrassing, drunk diatribe, Doyle (played by country music star and Bakersfield adopted-son Dwight Yoakam) tries to explain himself. The signature line in this scene to me is Doyle saying "I'm hurtin', Linda." As if that's an excuse for acting like a jackass.
Well, gentlemen, we're hurtin'. We've got a lot of injuries. But that's no excuse to play as bad as we did in such a historic game Saturday. But it is the truth.
IRVING, Texas - Six days from the biggest game of their season, the Dallas Cowboys are as beat-up as ever. Facing an early playoff game, the Cowboys will need to get the most out of their injured players this week.
For some, that may mean continued rest during practice. Coach Wade Phillips said he wouldn't rethink holding certain banged-up players, like Ken Hamlin (foot) or Marion Barber (toe), out of practice simply because of the increased stakes. Barber didn't participate in any practices last week, and Hamlin was only listed as limited on Friday. The Cowboys entered Saturday's game against Baltimore with 13 players on the injury report, and none experienced any miraculous recovery over the weekend.
"I hold them out if they can't practice," Phillips said. "Certain guys get rest if they need rest to get their legs back, but we've had guys who can't practice."
While the Cowboys came out of the game with no new players hurt, some of the existing injuries may have gotten worse. Jason Witten hurt his ankle again on his touchdown catch near the end of the game, and the beating quarterback Tony Romo took throughout the contest couldn't have been good for his back. Barber came in for a series during the first half, but never returned.

Is there too much pressure on Tony Romo? Well, yeah. But it comes with the job. You knew this before you took it. Everyone knows this.
ROSS ROSE, MEMPHIS, TN: I hear people complaining about Tony Romo's poor play all the time. I think Romo has the potential to be the best quarterback this franchise has ever had. I just think too much is expected of him this early in his career. Your thoughts?
Nick: I would agree with that. Expectations are very high for him, but that goes along with being the quarterback of America's team and getting $67 million contracts. You're expected to play at a Pro Bowl level. I think for the most part, he does that. He's the reason the Cowboys have had so much success here lately. And even in the losses, he seems to get his team in a position to win the game. That's about all you can really ask for.
Mickey: Not sure how many more times we have to answer this. Peyton Manning, the No. 1 pick in the 1998 draft, did not win his first playoff game until his sixth season, having started 96 regular-season games. Romo will now start his 39th Sunday against the Eagles.
One of things I've noticed about our offense is that Romo really isn't in sync with the receivers. Either the ball is overthrown or underthrown. Or the receiver quits on the play (cough T.O. cough). Or there's a miscommunication on the route. Romo really doesn't seem to be on the same page with anybody not named Jason Witten. Injuries certainly have something to do with this as well as his bad pinkie. But it's still something that has hindered us and will continue to unless we do something about it.
I can see why this would frustrate the receivers. But it's no reason to not finish the route or drop the ball when it is thrown your way.
Roy Williams (RW2) seems to be trying. And although he's hurt, we know he can make plays. We paid a lot of money to get him. He seemed way too excited when we actually threw him the ball Saturday. He even seemed to motion toward Jason Garrett after one catch. This shows me he's frustrated that he's not more involved in the offense but he doesn't need to talk to Stephen A. Smith to express it. I like that.
So Romo could you do me this one solid? Get RW2 the ball. Please.
There is the built-in excuse that Tony Romo hasn't had much practice time with Williams.
"That's usually the case," Phillips said when asked whether the comfort level between QB and WR would significantly improve after a training camp together. "But we're going to try to utilize him. We certainly saw the best of him in the Tampa game when we threw it to him before the half for a touchdown. That was a big, big play for us in our season. He can make plays for us. We've just got to utilize him."
Amen.
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I heard that...
Chris Carter statement too on Mike and Mike. I was a little suprised by that comment. The thing is… has he even been around the team at all?
I can't tell
the difference between JJT’s writing and flatulence.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
ESPN has become a joke
I think Mike and Mike and Cris Carter, for example, blindly believe everything that their colleagues spew out. They are thousands of miles from Dallas and take Ed Werder’s word as gospel. I haven’t watched or listened much for weeks. The obvious anti-Cowboys junk is too much to sit through. Did anyone on the network defend Werder when Owens said Werder lied?
Yes.
Because we all know that the Minnesota Vikings of the late 90s were the Gold Standard of unity, integrity, and playoff success.
Eff Cris Carter.
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hahahaah
Of couse, ya know with that guy named Randy Moss running people over…
by joey7289 on Dec 22, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
yeah... esp when Carter could be seen on several occasions yelling at Randy Moss
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Not to mention
Randy Moss saying Cris Carter doesn’t have what it takes to make it to the Superbowl.
by joey7289 on Dec 22, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
WE WIN WE'RE IN
end of story
i feel like we can beat the eagles
we have the talent to beat any team
we just cant LOSE the game, we’ve been doing that alot
Superbowl or Bust?
also
getting roy e involved would be great
but getting miles and crayton involved is huge cuz they’re both capable of making plays and can then open up things for t.o. roy and witten
also tashard needs to start
just let marion rest or play in the 4th qtr if we need him
Superbowl or Bust?
Fellas
It’s Monday.
It’s time to drum up this week’s Cowboys’ controversy.
J.J.‘s just trying to toss his impossible theory out first, to see if he can be this week’s Ed Werder. Remember, no publicity is bad publicity.
I really think Werner was privately reprimanded for his shotty journalism...
I have not seen or heard from that rat faced bastard since TO called him out…….i don’t see him or hear in the club house pressers…..nothing…..suspended ??..banned from Valley Ranch ??…or better yet, found in a baren wasteland in west texas strung up from his balls ??
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"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 22, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
What I would like to see with Roy Williams....
I honestly would like to see Romo take advantage of his size matchup.
He’s getting one on one matchups and Roy is a good receiver at going up and getting the ball.
Strangely the only time I’ve ever seen it be used is with Roy on Buchanon when Brad Johnson was QBing.
I’m not a Romo basher, but it has seemed like alot of the throws he was making last year just aren’t there.
To his credit though, he’s been playing in alot of pain. When your back hurts, everything hurts.
And on the Philly game....
If Tampa beats Oakland(which they should) if I’m a Philly fan I might be just like "You know I hate Dallas but all winning does is hurt our draft position.
I just kind of know when the same thing happened with Dallas that one year I was kind of like… eh.
Honestly, I mean your talking about the difference in maybe picking 16th or 20th.
ah spags...
yes peyton didnt win a playoff game until his sixth season…
well its romo’s sixth season now…
peyton lost 3 playoff games before he won one and he was the underdog in two of the three
+1
I think Peyton had 96 starts before winning a playoff game.
Tony has 39.
I think thats a little more fair.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 22, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
ok
but manning took over a team that was 1-16, Romo took over a team that was flirting with the playoffs
also those 3 years count for something. people like to point out how few starts tony has relative to his milestones, but he has more experience. he was much more equipped in his first start to win that aikman or manning were when they were thrown to the wolves.
my point is that both stats are meaningless: that tony is fast to reach milestones and that peyton took 6 years. completely meaningless.
I wouldn't say it was meaningless...
I would say that the programs Manning and Aikman played in along with being the 1st pick in the draft would probably have those QB’s more prepared than an undrafted free agent from Eastern Illionis sitting the bench for a couple of years…
The book on Peyton is that he was the most NFL-ready QB to come into the league.
All things considered, even with the 27 INT’s during his rookie campaign, he still produced some big bumbers otherwise. Also, however bad the Colts may have been before he got there, by his 2nd season, the offense boasted the league’s leading rusher and receiver in Edgerrin James and Marvin Harrison; both in their primes. So it’s not exactly as if Peyton had to resurrect some hump franchise like the Bengals with nothing but scrubs surrounding him. The cupboard was anything but bare for Peyton by his 2nd season as a starter.
Now, it’s another very intriguing discussion altogether just exactly what might have occurred had Romo been thrown to the wolves at some point in ‘04 or even ’05. Even if his confidence wasn’t crushed altogether (referring more to ‘04 here) maybe Romo would’ve stunk so bad that the Cowboys would’ve dumped him altogether. Who knows?
Or maybe not since Parcells obviously saw something there and if I recall correctly always thought Romo was more ready to see the field than the object of Tex’s affection; Drew Henson. The best case scenario would’ve been something like Romo getting some starts in ‘04* showing just enough positive plays (as bad as the line sucked that team still had some decent playmakers on offense) that at the very least even if Bledsoe was brought in the next season Romo would’ve been seen as viable enough an option to see the field at some point in ‘05 when Bledsoe was struggling and definitely been the opening day starter in ’06. The biggest positive would’ve been if Romo had gotten on the field much sooner he would’ve had a headstart learning from his mistakes and about the error of his gunslinging ways on a team where the expectations weren’t so high.
*Of course, Romo was never going to get on the field in ‘04 before Drew Henson did because Jerry wanted at to at the very least see his "steal of a deal stud QB hit the field before an undrafted rookie from an obscure school. His head probably would’ve exploded if Parcells gave Romo a start before he did Henson.
You both missed my point
Perhaps nothing is as important to a QB as confidence and ability to trust your instincts.
When teams draft #1 overall (or top 5) they usually have a host of problems (mediocre to awful running games, bad line, few big play threats, etc.) When those teams draft a QB in RD 1 and insert him into the starting line up in his first year, a recipe for disaster is set. A young QB, not used to the speed and complexity of the pro game comes in and plays for a bad team. He gets sacked, throws INT’s etc. He gets mentally and physically abused. As a result most QBs lose their confidence and never recover.
When you look at the poor record of QB’s who come in and are drafted in the top and start immediately, very few pan out. I think it has more to do with the impact of losing their confidence. How many in the last 20 years have survived?
88 – no qb’s in top 75
89 – troy
90 – jeff george
91 – no qb in top 15
92 – klingler
93 – bledsoe & mirer
94 – shuler & dilfer
95 – mcnair & collins
96 – none in top 41
97 – none in top 25
98 – manning & leaf
99 – couch, mcnabb, smith
00 – none in top 17
01 – vick
02 – carr & harrington
03 – palmer & leftwich
04 – manning & rivers
05 – smith
06 – young & lienart
07 – russell
08 – ryan
so in the last 20 years 26 qbs have been picked in the top 10
of those i grade them as follows:
A Troy*, Bledsoe*, McNair, Manning*, McNabb, Manning
(drafting QB who takes the team who drafts them team to the superbowl gets an A)
B George, Collins*, Vick, Palmer, Rivers, Ryan*
(drafting a qb who takes drafting team to the playoffs made some pro bowls gets a B)
C Dilfer, Leftwich*, Carr*, Harrington*
(guys who hung around the league started some maybe became career back ups)
D Mirer*, Shuler*, Leaf*, Couch*, Young*, Lienart, Alex Smith*, Russell
(guys who hung around the bench)
F Klingler, Akili Smith
(guys who never got off the bench)
A 3/6 started immediately
B 2/6 started immediately
C 3/4 started immediately
D 6/8 started immediately
F 0/2 started immediately
let’s assume its logical that the 2 F’s didnt step in (b/c they stunk too bad)
but its odd that excluding those 2 there seems to be an inverse relationship between starting immediately and panning out
i bet a lot of these qb’s would have looked better with the steve mcnair / aaron rodgers maturation curve than being thrown to the wolves.
furthermore, starting initially as a number 1 overall pick for an awful team is as tough a way as possible to develop and it breaks most qb’s.
i find it hilarious that the same people who like to point out how romo (or at one one point quincy) compare favorably “in their first x starts” to guys who started from day 1.
heck, if troy sat for 3 years his first 48 games would have looked a lot better too.
Actually ...
Manning took over a team that was 3-13. He went 3-13 his first season in 1998.
- 1998: 3-13
- 1999: 13-3 (Lost in DIV game, 0-1 in playoffs)
- 2000: 10-6 (Lost in WC game, 0-1 in playoffs)
- 2001: 6-10
- 2002: 10-6 (Lost in WC game, 0-1 in playoffs)
- 2003: 12-4 (Lost in CONF game, 2-1 in playoffs)
- 2004: 12-4 (Lost in DIV game, 1-1 in playoffs)
- 2005: 14-2 (Lost in DIV game, 0-1 in playoffs)
- 2006: 12-4 (SB Champ 4-1 in playoffs)
- 2007: 13-3 (Lost in DIV game, 0-1 in playoffs)
So Manning is 1-7 in the playoffs, where the one being when they won the Super Bowl. Of the other SEVEN playoff appearances, he is 3-7. In his first five seasons, he was in the playoffs 3 times and was kicked out the first game each year. It wasn’t until his SIXTH season as a pro that he won a playoff game.
Not a very good start for the quarterback that was “the most NFL-ready QB to come into the league” …
This is Romo’s 3rd season. He played ½ of the 2006 season and still played. Including the loss to the Giants (which I count against Bledsoe since he started and got Dallas into that hole), Romo took over a 2-4 team and went 6-4 to get them into the playoffs at 8-8. We all know what happened last year.
This year is not over yet. And even if it were, even Manning didn’t get his team to the playoffs his first 3 years.
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by Raul Villaronga on Dec 23, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
neither did romo
he was on the bench.
now if romo stepped in game 1 2 years ago and was on a team that went 3-13 the year before it MAY be a fair comparison.
playing on a good team helps you develop.
playing on a really bad team leads to loss of confidence, etc
this is a dumb line of logic
Oh come on...
You know very well I’m talking about his first 3 years of playing!!!
What wholesale changes did Indy go through in 1997 to go from playoffs in 1996 to 3-13? Were they bad? No. They lost to the Steelers in the conference Championship in 1995 and lost in a Wild card game in 1996 before going 3-13 in 1997. In 1998, Irsay drafted Manning, but most of the talent that was in the two prior playoff games was still there in 1997.
So I beg to differ with you when you infer that the Colts were a bad team then. He already had Harrison (1996) who wsa doing well for himself, Dilger, Faulk, Pollard.
No, the problem was the QB. After Harbaugh led the league in passing in 1995 he had issues in 1997 and more in 1997. That was the reason the Colts drafted Manning, but the other guys were still there.
Besides, if “playing on a really bad team leads to loss of confidence”, why did Manning make the playoffs his 2nd season, with a 13-3 record?? They didn’t drastically improve between 1996 and 1998, other than Manning…
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by Raul Villaronga on Dec 23, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
But that shouldnt matter in the debate about how good a quarterback is.
It should be based on their performance, not initial expectations.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 23, 2008 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think they mean
Romo is only in his 3rd year starting (2nd full year) and everyone’s ready to throw him overboard. The point is Peyton and Romo don’t just hop right into the QB position in the NFL and win a superbowl (nonetheless a playoff game) right away.. it takes time.
by commoncents on Dec 23, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
exactly
Guys like Tom Brady only come along once in a century, most qbs have to play at least 4 or even 5 or 6 years before they feel really comfortable, confident and sure of themselves that they can beat any defense they face.
QB is by far and away the hardest and most complex position to play in all of sports, mastering the position just doesn’t happen overnight. It takes many, many game experiences for a QB to truly learn and eventually master the position….and quite frankly the vast majority never do.
In Romo we Trust
but i do think JJT makes a very good point
tony is very dismissive of turnovers, he made at least two comments about how his turnovers werent a big deal. i think he thinks that way and thats what leads to turnovers. you would never hear troy, parcells, etc say turnovers werent a big deal. turnovers are the single most correlated stat with wins.
i like tony but the attitude is troublesome
its the mentality of a gunslinger
Favre feels the same way. These types of qbs try to do too much and that to me is the definition of a gunslinger…they try to make every possible play they can, even if it leads to a turnover, instead of living to play another play or even take a sack.
These qbs are extreme risk takers, gamblers if you will, and I think most fans feel a more conservative approach, especially in December and the playoffs, is the way to go.
Its all a matter of opinion as far as I’m concerned. Personally, I feel Romo is who he is, he will always try to do too much to win games. It doesn’t mean he’s a choker, loser, doesn’t care about winning, or is regressing, it just means he tries to win the game sometimes all by himself and make plays even when they’re not there.
Its the gunslinger mentality…and obviously you and others have a problem with it…I don’t because I accept thats who he is and its not going to change. He’s going to make really great plays and he’s going to make some really bad ones…we just have to hope the good to bad ratio is at least 2 to 1.
In Romo we Trust
i just wish
that he acknowledged that turnovers were bad…
i cant think of a good qb who didnt accept that
I think he does acknowledge turnovers are bad
however, his mentality is that turnovers are also the collateral damage of playing with a recklessness of trying to make every play.
Bottom line is that Romo isn’t afraid to take chances and isn’t going to apologize to the press for doing so.
In Romo we Trust

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