Shorter Jerry: The Cowboys Coaching Staff is in Place!
"Look, can y'all not understand statements?" Jones said. "What the (expletive) is going on here? Really. I really don't understand what is going on. The coaching staff is in place. The coaching staff is in place..."
"Any jackass can kick a kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build it."
-- Sam Rayburn
Are Wade and Jason carpenters or jackasses? They're going to get the the full three years of Wade's contract to show us.
If you applaud the move or are nauseated by it, be aware that Jerry has been very consistent with his coaches. He is not the football equivalent of Chuck Barris, yanking his guys off the sideline with a giant hook while his loudest fans bang a gong. He gave Barry Switzer more than enough time to wear out his welcome. He gave Dave Campo three unfettered seasons to prove that he was not above 5-11. Bill Parcells left the organization on his terms.
Chan Gailey was the exception, of course, but he and Troy Aikman were on a steady path to a blowup, and Chan was never going to win a power struggle with his QB. There's no proof that such major internal dissention exists today, though some friction is certainly there. It's part of wearing the star.
Wade hasn't bowled me over, but I applaud the move. Tom Landry and Tex Schramm created the examplar of a steady, consistent organization. Yet owner Clint Murchison took the boldest step when he gave Tom a ten-year extension in the mid-'60s, when the team endured a one-step-forward and two-steps back developmental curve.
The Cowboys put up with four crushing playoff disappointments and a 1-4 playoff start by Landry until they advanced to their first Super Bowl -- the turnover filled fiasco that was Super Bowl V.
If Wade Phillips was judged by Tom Landry's standard, he would be getting an extension right now. Conversely, if Tom were judged on today's fire-him-yesterday template, he never would have become Tom Landry. Jerry has not given Wade and Jason longer deals but he has snuffed out the latest faux controversy of the week. (And why are you not more aggressive at this in other weeks, sir?)
It took Bill Cowher fourteen seasons before he won his first Super Bowl. The people's choice to take the Cowboys reins started 0-2 in the postseason. He had six outstanding years and then missed the playoffs three years in a row. He dipped again to 6-10 in his 12th season and lots of people wondered if he was done. Were he employed by 90% of the teams in the league, he never would have become Bill Cowher.
Bud Adams used to be the most mercurial owner in football. He changed head coaches the way some people trade in cars. Consequently, his Oilers had one of the least desired HC seats anywhere. In the mid-'90s, somebody convinced Bud to give his new guy a chance. Adams stayed with him despite four initial seasons where the Oilers/Titans never finished better than 8-8.
That coach, Jeff Fisher, is now the dean of NFL head men. His organization tolerated a painful rebuilding phase a few years back where Tennessee won just seven games in two years. As a result, the Titans are one of the favorites to play in the Super Bowl five and a half weeks from today.
It took Tony Dungy eleven seasons before he coached in his first Super Bowl. He was 5-8 as a playoff coach before his '06 team got hot in December and won out. When Dungy finally earned the Lombardi Trophy, his owner, Jim Irsay, proudly compared him to Tom Landry.
Thirteen different teams have played in the Super Bowl this decade. There is a constant among them -- with two exceptions, they have head coaches who served a minimum of five years on the job. Look at the list and you'll see the old men of the NFL -- Fisher, Reid, Belichick, Holmgren, Gruden, Dungy, Cowher, Fox, Fassell, Billick, Coughlin. The exceptions? The Rams, where Dick Vermeil retired immediately after winning his title and the Raiders, where Al Davis canned Bill Callahan one year after his team played in the big game.
Stability counts today as much as it did in Tom Landry's day.
I therefore find it ironic that a loud section of the Cowboys Nation, who used to flaunt their organization's patience and consistency as major reasons for its success, are now among the most maniuplated, reflexive fans anywhere, eager to take up torches and pitchforks and run out their head coach at the first sign of distress.
In the end, Wade and Jason may prove to be more like mules than magicians. They may bungle the final contracting job on Bill Parcells' Cowboys renovation. But they deserve the chance to fill out their deals. Otherwise, Jerry Jones is simply a better dressed Al Davis.
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good post, you're right but
I just hope that the coaching staff will be capable of self judgment and recognize their mistakes and improve just like most players do. Because some play callings were really wrong this year, plus I think they need to motivate the team a little better than what they currently do.
by Helene on Dec 26, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they fail
they can’t say the organization didn’t support them.
They’re getting everything they can ask for.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Right
I like the fact that the organisation give them enough time to mature, just like they do with players.
by Helene on Dec 26, 2008 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see
Wade as our DC or a head coach in charge of the D full time (like he’s doing now I guess). I would like to see more fire from both of them, a bit more emotion to motivate these guys…
by ManTab on Dec 26, 2008 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually I wonder
if the DC part isn’t taking too much of wade’s time as head coach. May be he is ino defense so much that the rest is kind of put aside ?
by Helene on Dec 26, 2008 4:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Martz out of SF...
I would love to see what that guy could do with Romo, T.O, RW2, Witten…etc etc etc
by ManTab on Dec 26, 2008 4:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Martz is a horrible offensive coordinator
You think we pass too much now, he never likes a running game and he’s west coast offense guy. We don’t have receivers to run that.. You need smaller quick receivers in Holt and Bruce. I don’t want that arrogant guy here…
by Deke on Dec 26, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think Martz is overrated.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Martz offense wouldn’t do well in Dallas. This offense really should be moving more to power-running with 2 TE sets, which we should be able to do when all the guys are healthy next year.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 26, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Martz....
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 26, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Martz has been successful at one place
The guy is very, very abrasive. He’s not a nice individual.
He all but declared Roy Williams didn’t have the work ethic to make himself an elite WR.
You REALLY want to re-unite those guys?
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To take Martz farther
He puts a lot of pressure on his o-line. He’s even more of an aggressive 5 options on every play, throw the ball downfield, caution to the wind OC than Garrett.
Do you think he’s going to solve any of the issues people claim Garrett has, or make them worse?
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess not then....
It is true our O-line will not give anyone (not even Houdini) enough time for 5 reads…..but the RW2 could be easily resolved. I would understand any player not giving 100% playing for Detroit…..same way I understand why T.O runs his mouth every so often…..It’s about winning.
by ManTab on Dec 26, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
People were ready to send wade packing half way through this year, and a few weeks later his defense has turned into a top 5. It takes time for people to get comfortable in a system. Also lets so we do give wade the axe at the end of the season whoever we bring in as coach would set our team back a little because of the unfamiliarity of the new system.
by NDCowboy8 on Dec 26, 2008 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NCCowboy
I was reviewing the first Eagles Cowboys game from week two a couple of days ago to see what
Philly’s game plan was.
And I swear to you, one of Tony Kornheiser’s major flogging points was, “Dallas lost to the Eagles last year. It would be a blow to their chances if they lost this key divisional game at home!”
Right, lose in week two and its over. All over.
But why does the press pull this chain every single week of the year? Because too many fans let themselves get revved up by it.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because they have achieved success themselves
Winners bring contempt from those who are less talented
Kornheiser , et al feel they should be given the admiration the cowboys receive
Knowing they will never get to that esteemed level, they wallow in their incompetence , and long for the boys to fall so they can feel " equal" and in their mind " better"
by oldtimer on Dec 26, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't week 2 games just as important as week 17?
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 26, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they are
but no single game, aside from a playoff game, will kill you.
Nice try, though.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sunday's game won't kill them if they lose?
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 26, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they lose Sunday, they die
But not because of losing in week 17, but because of losing 7 times in 17 weeks.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Dec 26, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that too
It was laughable the way Tony K was hyping the importance of that game. I’m in the minority of people who actually enjoy Kornheiser but I think that just shows how weak his knowledge of the NFL is. All former players and coaches know it’s a marathon and so do knowledgable fans (like most here). I had the sense Kornheiser was just getting caught up in the emotion of the moment during that game and there was sure plenty of that.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say give Wade one more year and if he can’t hack it, then go get Holgrem or Cowher. Both of which probably want next season off and may look into the following year to return.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 26, 2008 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Cowher would come
He’ll have multiple options and you can make a case he would be a lot happier in other places. I’m not sold on Holmgren either. I’ve never been convinced he’s as good a coach as he is perceived to be. He’s won a lot in a usually weak west but his teams are seldom elite. He had a collection of talent in GB for his one SB that ranks that win close to Barry’s in Dallas; enough talent to make a coach look decent.
There must be a number of assitant coach around the league that deserve serious consideration. Who ever heard of John Fox before he made a name for himself in Carolina? Or Bill Cowher before he went to Pitts. for that matter.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistency is a great building block.
Wade Phillips has shown lately that if given the time then he has the ability to get his players to buy into the defensive system he is trying to build. Let’s make no mistake about it, the difference between Parcell’s defense and Wade’s is very drastic when it comes to schemes and philosophy. It takes time for players to really learn and get used to what their coaches are tryin to teach. Let’s also not forget that Wade Phillips was using “Parcells” guys last year and this season was able to hire coaches who believe in his system as well.
Jason Garrett hasn’t actually blown me away in his sophomore season but you have to believe that a smart guy like that has the ability to learn from mistakes and move forward. The Cowboys showed some things late against Baltimore that I’ve never seen before. The last thing I want is Tony Romo learning a brand new system just as he’s getting comfortable with a coordinator. Romo has already had too much turnover and we saw what that can do to quarterbacks; just look at Jason Cambell and Alex Smith.
Bruce Read needs to go, and I’m sure there will be some shakeup in other places as well. But the Cowboys are now in their fourth straight winning season, something other franchises would kill for. Let’s not take that for granted and let Wade Phillips continue to try and build upon a young, talented nucleus. He deserves the chance.
Just go out and win Sunday. That’s all that’s needed right now though.
by Brandon Worley on Dec 26, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Phillips Should Stay
I think those that routinely call for Phillips to be fired are revealing their ignorance. The man went 13-3 his first season, it seems he gets no credit for the wins but all the blame for the losses. It’s sort of like the Switzer sydrome. When Dallas failed to beat SF in the NFC Championship game it was because of Switzer’s laid back style. When they beat Pitt in the SB he did it with Jimmy’s team.
It’s always easy to lay blame for a number of things on the main stream media but when it comes to the lack of respect Wade receives I thinks it appropriate. I think a great number of the reporters on the Cowboys’ Beat resent the fact that he doesn’t make their job easy for them by making a spectacle of himself during his pressers. He isn’t auditioning for a future as a television analyst he just wants to coach and I find that refreshing.
The expectation game also hurts Phillips, we hear over and over again about how deep and talented this team. But, some of the obvious flaws are rarely noted by the MSM. For example, how much of what Phillips would like to do is hindered by the sub par play at safety and last year with Reeves and Nate Jones playing significant roles in the secondary the situation was even worse.
Unless Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi are available, I’m satisfied with the job Phillips has done. We’re in Dec. and we’re playing games that matter and he deserves a lot of the credit for that.
by Este on Dec 26, 2008 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fans are so in love with names in the NFL.
Martz…..
Cowher….
Schottenheimer…
We want instant gratification in the NFL world. It doesn’t exist people. Dont take my word, look at the facts above with all these “hot” names. There are no “quick” fixes.
What about the falcons you say? Have they won a SB yet? Will they be ultra competetive favorites for the forseeable future? Time will tell, but history indicates its not that easy.
Even Belichek struggled in his first coaching gig. The only guy who has been consistantly successful was….Bill Parcells, and everyone wanted him run out of town.
So it goes with players, lets dump romo and get……Matt Cassel. HUH? A couple years ago it was, “bench witten.” HUH?
Wade has turned Dware into a superstar (have you all forgetten that before WP came the hot debate was ware or merriman)? The coaching staff in place has as much chance of getting this team to succeed as anyone.
Ultimately it will come down to the players and making plays. Consistency from coaching and ownership will make it easier on them to do so.
by THEjarhead on Dec 26, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I applaud the move.
Any HC change would also mean a new defensive guru, meaning the Defense takes at least one step backward.
And Garrett looked like a genius last season when our O-line and RBs were almost 100% healthy. And Romo’s still learning, he doesn’t need yet another coordinator.
And this is regardless of what happens on Sunday.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
by Nelson... on Dec 26, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What do they want Jerry to say?
They have a playoff game on Sunday (win and move on) and these guys really think Jerry is not going to back his coaching staff? Get real, ask him the question after the season is over……..then you will get a truthful answer…….right now Jerry is defending his boys before they go to war on Sunday……good for Jerry!!!!!
by jvw on Dec 26, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It kinda stinks that keeping Phillips is the only logical thing to do.
He’s a great guy and very good defensive coordinator. I really don’t think he’ll get this team where everyone here wants it to go. He is a career 500 coach and this team has significantly underachieved. This team is too talented to be 9-6 and needing to win their last game to make the playoffs.
After another disappointing year next year, the players will be a year older and the franchise will be starting over again with a new coach and OC. Despite my negative view of things, I agree it’s not the time to change.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 26, 2008 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's not a career .500 coach
He’s 70 and 48.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 26, 2008 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
I was actually surprised to see those numbers and checked further, thought I’d see something to throw a wet blanket with. If you take out the partial years in NO and Atl (He can’t be held accountable for those), he is 68 – 44. Not bad I have to admit. Most of his teams were worse the 2nd year than the first and he only lasted until the third year once. 0-4 in playoff games.
Maybe it’s just me, I tend to hold the guy at the top accountable. This team has wildly underachieved. Last in the league in penalties (behind even Oakland) pretty well sums up this team. I also hold him accountable for not demanding an NFL caliber QB to back up Romo.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 26, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New to this board.
I’m a life-long Cowboys fan, and normally, I would agree with this post. Hell, I’m preaching patience with Tony Romo to anyone who will listen, because I think he needs more time to mature into his job. But Wade Phillips hasn’t proven that he’s more than a good defensive coordinator in this or any job he’s had. It’s not the won-loss record that’s driving me insane; it’s the lack of discipline on the team, starting with the out-of-control penalty situation (and, yes, I remember that Parcells had the same problem, which told me that it WAS time for him to move out of coaching). Most days, I can’t tell who is at the helm of this team; I can’t stand watching ol’ Wade looking confused and disconnected on the sidelines when things go wrong. I long for a head coach who chews out the sinners (and benches them if necessary), praises the saints, and shows everyone who is boss. I’m not asking for a dictator, since we all know that doesn’t work these days in an NFL full of overly-sensitive prima donas. But I would like to see someone who is constantly coaching and inspiring his team, and I don’t see Phillips doing that when the chips are down.
That said, I do admire that Jones doesn’t pull the hook out too quickly, and I’m willing to see if Phillips can pull it together, starting with this week’s game. It’s not like I have a choice anyway, since I can’t resist a Cowboys game, and never have.
by Fernie67 on Dec 26, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But see the question is....
Who do you hire in his place?
by Brandon Worley on Dec 26, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the Philps signing, became a critic by mid-season. I was convinced that he really had remade the defense and was unfireable by the Pittsburgh loss.
I like Jerry making the public statement before the game. It was a good move and not one most GM’s would have made. Dallas is not most of the NFL and Jerry’s silence would be like blood in the water.
I would like for Wade to evaluate his staff and determine if he should be making any changes. Special teams. offensive line and defensive coordinator all come to mind as positions that should be reviewed and not given a pass in the name of consistency. I am not calling for any of those guys head because as a fan I am missing too much information, but I do hope they would review staff performance and make adjustments if needed.
by Trey, on Dec 26, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerry J
and Al Davis have something else in common… they both look like the Crypt Keeper on a bad day
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 26, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
… that’s Clayton at BSPN…
Stop the Madness - Enshrine Bob Hayes
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by Raul Villaronga on Dec 27, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think Sparano was no good, but I wonder now how much of last season’s success was because of him.
by ym on Dec 26, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of it should be credited to him, particularily the offense
He should have been given the job when Wade got it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistency helps with discipline
When the players know that the coach isn’t going anywhere, they know they have to listen. I believe that some of the problems we’ve seen this year relate to the constant rumors of a coaching change. Have you ever had a job where you knew that your boss was on his/her way out? It doesn’t take long to start tuning that person out when you think they’re going to be gone soon.
I don’t know that much about Jeff Fisher, but he doesn’t seem like a Parcells/Coughlin type of guy. But everyone in that organization respects and listens because they know he’s not going anywhere. I think that went for Parcells too. Sure he was a tough guy, but the players also knew that Jerry wasn’t going to fire him. He was staying as long as he wanted to stay, so the players had to get with the program.
by rhbgsherb on Dec 26, 2008 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've already said this in previous posts
You cannot keep changing coaches and not suffer through subpar seasons as a result (see Raiders,Oakland). We had Parcells and his my way or the highway act (don’t get me wrong, I’m glad he came when he did and rebuilt this team). His insistence on using retread players he once knew is what drove me crazy. I like Phillips, I like Red Jesus but I think Jerry has moved this situation into new territory with this staff. Phillips is being held accountable as a head coach but I wonder; How much say does he have in the offense? Not that he has a truckload of offensive coaching skills but he IS the head coach. So when the O collapses its his butt up there on the podium, not Garretts’.
Either way, my non counting vote is to retain this staff for another year regardless. Maybe by then they’ll have this all worked out, we won’t be running a MASH unit and the best team in the NFL will finally shine through. /Rant off
by Benthere on Dec 26, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
The team needs an identity, which cannot be found if they keep switching between disciplinarian then ’player’s’ coaches.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 26, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Jones keeps Wade Phillips
That could be a headline for the 2009 season. Really.
Here’s why.
Jason Garrett.
Garrett is not ready to be a head coach. He might think he is, though he hasn’t said it, but his offense has been shoddy this season and there’s a disconnect between the offensive coordinator and the wide receivers. I don’t believe Garrett and Terrell Owens can exist another season.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/jerry-jones-keeps-wade-phillips.html
Wow somethings got give with TO and Jason Garrett, huh, I wonder if there is any truth to this? Not sure who I would rather have..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2008 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerry loves T.O. which has been said a thousand times.
Hes not going anywhere and hes still clearly our best WR anyway but I would like to see more Austin.
by houseofprime on Dec 27, 2008 2:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wmillion
You’re taking the opinion of a guy who told Jerry a few weeks back that he could coach the team?
I have my moments, but even I’m not THAT dumb.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 12:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
good point..
Never mind.. Jason Garrett found a way to keep TO happy last year..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 27, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dysfunctional
you have a head coach who seems to have only one sphere of influence and that’s with his defense. you have an assistant hc who everyone knows is going to be the next head coach eventually. this situation that jerry has created is inherently unhealthy. we will never know, but do these guys have any fear or respect for wade?
you have an absurd amount of talent on this team, but your hc is not a leader, primarily because your owner wont allow it. TO is starting to become the mouth piece of this team and most likely dividing the lockerroom. is this really what we want?
im not advocating a fire and brimestone type of coach, but we need someone in hear that the players will fall in behind and respect. a leader who can get these guys on the same page.
Maybe they do respect Wade, but have we heard any players come out
and back him lately?
by juniorb on Dec 27, 2008 7:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
remember the Bill Parcells experiment
Fir and brimstone is overrated. Tony Dungy’s team always perform at a high level, and I don’t ever think I’ve seen him visibly upset. Tom Landry never blew a gasket. Coaches don’t come in and win Superbowls in 2 years. It’s not the norm, but it is normally expected. Players usually need 3 years to grade out from the draft, I think a coach needs 4.
by elharpo on Dec 27, 2008 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Dungy is the exception to the rule.
I have thought for a long time that the sad truth in the NFL is that you really need to be a maniacal prick to be an effective coach (e.g., Parcells, Noll, Bellicheck). It seems the guys who have been REALLY successful over extended periods of time don’t really care much about any of their players as humans but only as moving parts in something much bigger (i.e., the team). From what I’ve heard Tom Landry hardly knew most of his players. Lombardi etc etc etc. Jimmy Johnson probably fits the mold too. I could be wrong but I think that’s what will prevent Wade from ever pushing his team over the top. He’s too nice of a guy. Maybe we’ll get lucky and the stars will all align for 1 magical year like they did for Dick Vermeil. To me, all this is what makes Tony Dungy so special.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And btw
I think this also hurts Jerry, I think he genuinely likes his players and makes bad decisions based on his personal feelings.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wade Phillips
has nothing on Bud Grant in the Camp Cupcake dept. Minnesota always had the shortest, least violent camps anywhere. The one year in the mid-70s when Grant tried two-a-days, Jim Marshall and the rest of them boycotted practice.
I don’t recall Marv Levy being a prick. Nor Weeb Ewbanks. Belichick is cold blooded, but he had to soften up a lot after his Browns team chewed him up and spit him out.
You need a balance.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Parcells experiment?
Parcells took a franchise with no talent and left a few years later with one of the most talented teams in the NFL. He was exactly what this team needed when he came. He never won by outcoaching the other guy on Sunday, he just had better talent. He is a master at assembling talent.
by StillHateTheGiants on Dec 27, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was so great, why did the fans want to run him out of town.
Don’t get me wrong, Parcells was great, but his act was getting old. The players did not believe in him and he lost them. He did help turn around a franchise, but did he make it a winner?
He even knew he could only go so far with his method.
by elharpo on Dec 27, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And have any players come out and ripped him lately?
What the players think is immaterial, IMO. They were exstatic when Parcells left. They were coming out of the woodwork to snipe at Bill once he moved on, saying how primitive his systems were, and how much more freedom they would have with Wade, etc., etc.
And Wade will back them to a fault. One reason the rippers hate him is that he won’t ding his players in the press.
Whatever the problems with this club, I put most of the blame on their shoulders. The penalties and bad special teams play were constants under Parcells, Sparano and Bruce Dehaven too. It’s not like Dallas was a disciplined team two years ago and has slipped under Wade.
The only constant is the players.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
Wade can get it done, all we need is healthy right hand for Romo, and we are dialed. After watching the Philly game, I am sure Romo’s right hand is still hurt. I hope this week Romo’s hand feels as close to 100 % as possible, if that is the case get ready for this team to make a run.. Our defense is in place, can our special teams block for KR please.. Miles is just waiting to take one back, this about the tme last year he got hot with his KR.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 27, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for all the Wade haters
There isn’t a coach available who could come in and do a better job than Phillips and Jerry knows that.
Cowher, IMO, is vastly overrated, he was very lucky to get that SB win, and wouldn’t win anymore games than Phillips if he came to Dallas.
We all know Jimmy Johnson will never coach again so that doesn’t really leave too many choices. Wade is our guy until Garrett is ready to take over.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 27, 2008 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Josh McDaniels or Steve Spagnola
over Phillips or Garrett right now.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 27, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hiring Spagnola would be stupid
because he’s a 4-3 DC and we already have a 3-4 defense in place. Wouldn’t be smart at all.
McDaniels is just like Garrett, too inexperienced and far too young.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 27, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why
Spagnola would have to bring in a new DC, (like Romeo Crenel) to help with the 3/4 schemes. His knowledge of football is good enough that the defense would still excel. His guys are always ready to play.
But hey, if you’d rather continue to lead the league in penalties and see them play some uninspired football at the most inopportune times just keep Wade and company in town.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 27, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee-roj
You may be right.
But that’s not the point. Jerry gave Wade a three year deal, and he’s going to give him three years.
If he doesn’t. If he starts whacking people who have winning percentages over .700 for his team a year and a half into their deals, he won’t attract any big time coaching talent. Good coaches want to work for this organization. Bill Parcells came when nobody he and Jerry work. Jeff Fisher was interested in the job. Look at the stories in the Nashville papers just before Fisher got his extension with Tennessee. The Titans PR guy was going out every day and declaring that Fisher was not available, because the rumors were — and they had some juice to them — that Fisher would have seriously considered bolting had the Titans let his deal run out.
Now, look at Oakland. Why does Al Davis bring in nobodies like Lane Kiffin to run his team? He’s a power freak for one. But second, everybody knows it and good coaches won’t work for him. Sean Payton turned him down. So did Jim Fassell, if I recall.
Jerry treats people well. The minute he stops, the Cowboys enter that crazy zone Oakland occupies, and winning becomes that much harder.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
coaches don't fix penalties
smart players fix penalties
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 27, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smart players learn
from good coaches
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 27, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't see upgrades
McDaniels is good, but not sure how good since he is coaching on Belicheck. coaches who have left belicheck have not been impressive in their new assignments.
Spag’s runs a 4-3 no thanks.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 27, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How good would McDaniels be
without Belichick looming over his shoulder?
Look at Eric Mangini for your proof.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never wanted Phillips in the first place...
So I have been against him the whole time. Even last year as they got out to a 12-1 start I kept thinking to myself, they will blow it by season’s end with Phillips at the helm. Sure enough they did. I was never that excited about this season either as I figured they’d be even worse than they were last year. Sure enough they have been. However he did do something I was not expecting halfway through the season. He took a more active role with the defense and until the Baltimore game that was working quite well. Of all things it’s Jason Garrett who has been the real disappointment for me this season. Ray Lewis was quoted before last week’s game saying, (while laughing) "They have the most simple offense we’ve seen all year." Think about that.
I do agree that coaches are on way too short of a leash in this day and age and I in no way want Cower to come here, (I never thought he was that good of coach in the big games). But until proven otherwise I’ll always believe that in the biggest games when playing against teams of comparable talent that Wade and Garrett will be outcoached. But hey, there was a time when I thought that Coughlin would never win a Super Bowl either.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 27, 2008 9:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I
was one of the ones who wanted Phillips gone. I can now say I want him to stay. He’s been impressive with this defense. Can you imagine if he stays, and the D plays like it has all of next year? That makes me excited.
The issue for me has been the offense. Give Garrett another year, have him figure out how to incorporate RW2, Felix Jones, and maybe even Choice into the regular mix, and see if he can get things going on that side of the ball.
If they do get rid of him, who are we going to get? Cowher, no chance. Jones won’t give up the GM power. Billick? Garrett? Just give it another year, unless you can get Cowher!!!!! Haha.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Dec 27, 2008 9:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
two runs vs. ravens
Off topic and old news I know but just got around to getting signed up.
A bit of a dead horse for me but on both the long runs I read a lot hear about safety play but the interior of our line got wiped out. I don’t know what Spears was doing on the first run but he got pushed back five yards. Maybe he was stunting, I don’t know. My point is that we have a massive hole at NT/DT that should be our first priority next year. Ratliff is not a run-stopping NT. If the middle of our line can’t at least hold the point of attack on a goal line defense we have a problem.
Having gotten that off my chest … if we can get past Philly this weekend I think we can make a run. Even though the story line is going to be about our lack of a playoff win for the past whatever years I think getting in the playoffs is the monkey on our back this year. If we get in and go on the road to Minnesota, Chicago, or Atlanta I think we can roll.
by edubz on Dec 27, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys have had many many goal line stops this year
Those runs, in my view, were the product of our offense going three and out a half dozen times; they wore our D out. Watching that game I thought our O played without fire until it was too late.
by AustonianAggie on Dec 27, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a second on the good post
Wade had this team at 13-3 last year. Romo missed three games this year. I think this team has the talent level of a 9-7 to 11-5 team. We got lucky last year. I think profootball outsiders says as much (could be wrong). We are playing to our talent level just below unrealistic expectations.
Don’t get me wrong, I still think we can win the Super Bowl. But I think 13-3 is the upper end of our capability, not the mean.
by edubz on Dec 27, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
I think the talent is there but the coaching is not. I feel like we have another / Barry Switzer instead of another Jimmy Johnson.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Dec 27, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe you're right but...
then, if Wade is like Switzer, this would be the year we win the Super Bowl. RIGHT ON
by CowboyMan on Dec 27, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All this pain will be that much sweeter if the Cowboys make a run
and this suffering will turn in to the purest joy. I think the reality of this season is that no one is playing very consistently, especially in the NFC. The Giants were but they’re probably going to be 1-3 for Decemeber
by AustonianAggie on Dec 27, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess I'm wrong...
I’ve said that Wade would be gone if we lost Sunday, or in the 1st round. Jerry says no. I’m satisfied with that. I like Wade, and really don’t thnk our let downs can be pinned on him exclusively. So, that’s settled, and, after kicking a$$ Sunday, we can move on to the playoffs. GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by CowboyMan on Dec 27, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we won the superbowl in spite of coaching
quote from an assistant coach during switzer’s year. the coach made the statement to moose johnson after they beat pitt.
by juniorb on Dec 27, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Raphael, If I remember correctly, Landry's '64 team went to the "Runner-Up Bowl"
When he received the big contrct extension. Then challenged Green Bay the following two years for the NFL title.
Phillip’s Cowboys were 13-3 last year, and have dropped four games off of the pace, at best, this year.
Not exactly bonus inducing.
Wharter
by Wharter on Dec 27, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Landry's '61 and '62 teams
won four and five games.
Sports Illustrated put them on the cover in ’63 and predicted they would make the playoffs. They then went 4-10 and 5-8-1 in the next two seasons.
Landry got them to .500 in ’65, in year six of his program.
Seems the Dallas natives were restless then, too.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Juraszek
Raf, you were saying at one point at how the injuries our players are having are suspicious. Marcellus Wiley is saying that Cowboys play lousy in December is because of the strength and conditioning coach, Joe Juraszek: http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/eureka-espns-marcellus-wiley-a.html
Many people are dismissing this, but it’s starting to make sense. Why December, the end of the season, for a melt down? I think the mentatility of the players stays the same. Could it because the players are just tired? Mike Woicik was our coach when we won three titles. He also won three titles with the Patriots.
by ym on Dec 27, 2008 5:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I buy it
Jurazcek was the conditioning coach in ’06 and ’07, when Dallas had the fewest injuries in the league, and he was getting credit for it.
Look, Parcells as a stickler for conditioning. His guy at New York, Johnny Parker, was one of the best conditioning guys around. He was cut by Tampa Bay just a couple of months after Parcells took over. I wrote a piece back then speculating that Parcells would bring him in, as he was one of the true “Parcells guys.” He passed. He gave Juraszek a year, and then re-upped him.
If Parcells felt his team was wearing down, Juraczek would have been gone a long time ago. Bill has the authority to replace him.
And on the subject of meltdowns, where are these great meltdowns? Do we need to rely on wacky theories from a suspect source (more on Wiley in a minute) when more logical ones are there:
‘05 — the o-line fell apart. Rob Petitti and Torrin Tucker were the OTs that December. Marco Rivera’s back gave out in that month, too. Dallas had two healthy OL and neither starting OT was even average. And they had Bledsoe at QB, not Romo, so no escapeability.
’06 — The D gave up 12 TD passes the last month. Keith Davis was the FS then and he was the worst coverage safety in football. Anthony Henry was playing with a knee that locked up but gutted it out because Aaron Glenn was melting down. Jacques Reeves was the backup.
Dallas in effect had one quality, healthy DB that year. And Terence Newman didn’t play so hot in December either that year.
‘07 — Here, they slowed down. The offense lost its edge after the Eagles game and T.O.s injury didn’t help.
Do we really need hocus-pocus theories, or did Dallas simply have a key unit collapse in late seasons?
As for Wiley, wasn’t he the sack specialist who Dallas imported who got something like one sack in a Cowboys uniform? He’s nobody to talk inferior conditioning.
My Ivy league brain says Martellus’ Ivy league brain is blowing a powerful theory. Nothing more.
by Rafael Vela on Dec 27, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take it
Parcell’s was also a stickler for discipline. The team was never disciplined when he was here. Parcells gets credit for everything by the East coast media and blamed for nothing.
And what does Wiley’s career have to do with anything? Parcells had a lousy career as a player. I think Cowher also had a lousy career. I would trust Wiley more about conditioning than most of the analysts.
The question here is not injuries. Injuries are random, and we can’t control what’s random. But wear and tear is not and can be controlled. And again, why December? Teams should mentally prepared as ever by now. The physical aspect of the game is left. Maybe being a little more worn out than the other team will cause you to miss tackles or not be able to cover properly.
Wiley’s theory is definetely worth considering. I remember Aikman/Buck saying how lousy they’ve since ’97.
by ym on Dec 28, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one have been a big Rex Ryan fan for the last couple years
I agree with Raf about keeping Wade, it’s going to happen, and I did approve of the Wade signing when it was made although I was beating the drum for Ryan.
Even going out and getting Ryan might hurt this team more than help it. It would probably piss off Garrett mightily, not that I really care, and our guys would have to get used to another HC. Giving Wade another year is probably the best thing.
I guess everything depends on what happens this year and next obviously but I would still like to see Ryan get a chance here as a HC even though I don’t think Jerry will hire Buddy’s son. He’s run every type of defense under the sun. Players swear by him and want to play hard for him, and yet I believe from what I’ve seen he’s more strict than Wade. I think that’s what we’re all looking for: Someone with Wade’s defensive knowledge, someone who the players will respect and work hard for, and yet someone who can get in a players a55 every now and then when it’s warranted (hopefully not in the media though. Probably won’t make a difference though. He’ll be getting a HC job after this year IMO.
by kameleon_o on Dec 28, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Browns may ask Crennel to take D-coordinator job
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3795786
For a minute I thought we might do this, but I hope we keep Wade, as much I dislike his lack of perceived intensity, he is doing a good job with his side of the ball.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
by Wmillion on Dec 28, 2008 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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