Coming to grips with reality
I did something I haven't done in a long time Sunday.
I turned off the TV on the 'Boys.
After Pacman's ill-advised fumble on a punt return, I knew it was over. The momentum of the game had gotten out of control. We couldn't stop them. We were self-destructing and I didn't want to spend the rest of my evening watching the Eagles laugh at us. I had too many beers to consume.
The most maddening aspect of that pathetic affair Sunday was the realization that the naysayers were right about us. I spent most of this year mocking and ridiculing journalists like Jean-Jacques Taylor, Skip Brainless, Jennifer Floyd Engel, Trey Wingo, Randy Galloway and others for their extreme pessimism toward the Cowboys. They seemed to go out of their way to rub in our faces after any loss and would always dismiss any significant victory as a prelude to disaster. I still believe that there were some outrageous things written and said about us. I haven't changed my mind about that.
I've also tried to talk extremely negative fans off the ledge. You know the type. "The season is over!" "Wade sucks!" "Romo is terrible!" All of this after any loss or any bad play. C'mon on guys. Have a little more faith.
But here's the thing though. They were right about a lot of things. Not everything. But certainly their criticisms was accurate in a lot of respects. Our season was filled more with drama than resiliency. T.O.'s character flaws seemed to overwhelm his value to our team. The Pacman Jones Experiment was an unmitigated disaster. Romo, again, wilted on the biggest stages when we needed him the most.
It hurts my heart to agree with these statements. I've spent months arguing against them. I've tried to be a pragmatist with a bent toward optimism. But that effort in that game at this time of the year has forced me to reevaluate. Don't get me wrong. I'm not jumping ship and I never will. I believe in Tony Romo, I still think T.O. can be productive in our system and I still believe Wade Phillips can turn things around. But my arguments seem hollow now. This season was a failure and an utter disappointment. Time to look in the mirror and repeat that old line from Parcells: "You are who you are."
Tony Romo is not a big-game QB and he is overrated
A tough quarterback? No question. A good quarterback? You bet. Pro-Bowl type QB? No doubt. More than 7,600 yards passing and 62 TDs in two years. Big-game QB? He's not. End of discussion. He's played well in big games but not the biggest. He's too careless with the ball. He doesn't command the respect of his teammates the way he should (but that might say as much about his teammates as anything else). This doesn't mean he won't be a Super Bowl-winning QB one day. He very well might be. And I'm certainly not giving up on him. Matt Hasselbeck seemed to mature into an efficient QB after some time. Hopefully Romo will too. But from where I sit right now the evidence is overwhelming.
T.O. was not an elite receiver this year and may never be again
It's a testament to how great his career has been that he's always compared to himself. Last year was one of the best season any receiver has ever had for our team. 81 catches, 1,355 yards, 15 TDs in 15 games. This year wasn't bad. 69 catches, 1,052 yards and 10 TDs. His statistics were solid. But he had problems with physical corners and double teams, something he's seen his whole career. One just wonders if he can ever replicate the typical All-Pro T.O. seasons. He is 35 and for the first time in a long time his drops seem to outnumber his big plays.
There were too many distractions and they did affect us
Pacman. Meeting-gate. Hard Knocks. T.O.'s interview with Stephen A. Smith. Jerry Jones speaking out of turn about MB3. I would've argued anybody up and down that these things were being blown out-of-context by the media. And they were. But players on good teams are smart enough to read the media, know their intentions and avoid the trap of the newscycle. We never learned that lesson and spent too much time talking about trivial things and not the team.
Our team was divided
Again, I hate drawing conclusions from intangibles. But if you look at the body language of our receivers during Sunday's game, they looked angry. There seemed to be a lot of complaining and not much communication. There was a lot of finger-pointing this year and not much accountability. The quotes from postgame interviews seemed to suggest our offensive playeyers lost faith in our system. Our defensive players were unhappy with their system until Phillips took hold of the playcalling in the middle of the season. We were never on the same page. Gentlemen, that's the definition of a divided team.
Phillips was not hard enough on them
Brian Stewart would have been fired on other teams. He was softly demoted on this one. Pacman couldn't get a gig on most other teams. He started for ours. Romo waived Wade Phillips off Sunday. Can you imagine him waiving off Jimmy Johnson? Cowher? Holmgren? Sigh. I like Wade and I think It's admirable that he sticks ups for everyone but one wonders when does he ever hold anyone accountable.
We were a soft team
Cincinnati gave us a run for our money and the Rams blew us out. Arizona beat us on a blocked punt in overtime. Who does that? Who loses like that? We did have big wins against the Redskins and the Giants. Duly noted. Nothing indicates how soft we were like the two backbreaking runs against the Ravens. Lorenzo Neal pancakes Bradie James. Marcus Spears is double-teamed and pushed yards out of the play. Tough teams laughed in our faces. They were offended that we were considered Super Bowl contenders and they weren't. They rose to the occasion and we were left yelling on the sideline about how open we were.
Roy E. Williams trade was ill-advised
At least in the short term. For what we gave up for RW2, we received very little in return. I still believe he can be a great player for us one day. But at the time, I thought it was a stroke of genius and would certainly give our offensive unit a jolt. It didn't happen.
What now?
So where does this leave us? Well it should lead to some self-reflection. I'm a big fan of the show "Intervention" and on that show addicts must first hit rock bottom before they can receive help. This is rock bottom for me. I thought losing at home last year to the Giants was it. No. Getting blown out in the most important game of the year is definitely it. Watching the Eagles treat us like Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl is my breaking point. It doesn't get any lower than this.
There's no need to delude ourselves anymore. We need coaches that will challenge Tony Romo and not placate him. We need people with football pedigrees to be in Jerry Jones' ear and he needs to listen to them. Jones needs to defer to their judgment when it comes to bringing malcontents into our fold. We need to protect Romo and draft lineman accordingly. We need receivers that fight for him not quit on routes. We need coaches that will not accept habitual penalties (cough Flozell cough) and selfishness (cough T.O. cough). Players who violate these tenets should be benched or jettisoned. We need players who are subservient to the team, play hard and smart. We shouldn't have to compromise. Do it or move on.
We are not a player or two away from the Super Bowl. We are an attitude away from the Super Bowl. We need to change our identity and become more physical. There were glimpses of it this year. More of that please.
I still believe in the core of this team: Romo, Witten, MB3, Ware. But I'm not obsessed with the fantasy of our championship potential anymore. I'm living in the present. I'm dealing with reality. And the reality of the situation is we're a great story that entertains sports networks during the year and a cautionary tale come playoff time.
Sadly, sometimes the haters are right.
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I'm hesitant to defend Romo, but I have to
Nobody can do well when getting their face planted into the turf that much. Ask Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year.
Everyone focuses on Romo’s failure in December, but doesn’t ever mention the odd coincidence that it seems to come at the same time as a complete OL breakdown.
For 2 straight years, our OL has completely given up in December.
The December collapse
is on the whole team. The media talks about Romo not winning in December. Can I see the offensive line block anyone in December? About time someone points that out
Thank God others are on board
Tuna’s words are pretty accurate, but it starts with the o-line. They are one of the single worst units on our team. Easily.
Oh give me a break
Romo throws INT’s with NO PRESSURE
The O line leaves a lot to be desired…BUT
Romo is a turnover machine.
I don’t think we’ll EVER…get to a Super Bowl with him….I really don’t
Tuna is Right here….He IS NOT A BIG GAME QB
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
That is true
He does drive me nuts with that. He throws INTS when he has the whole front 7 ready to kill him and when he has all the time in the world. Fact is he does turn it over
yes
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 2, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
well said
how can a qb be a big game qb when his teammates let him down and play bad in big games? Yes I’m talking about the pathetic OL, the overrated WR corp and the very, very average defense.
I got news for you TH, there isn’t a qb in the league that would shine in so called “big games” when they’re OL, WR corp and defense fails them.
You’re way off base and not being fair.
In Romo we Trust
WR corps tend to look average when every pass is either underthrown, overthrown or right to a defender
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
This Offensive Line...
Is built for the run and not built to defend the QB when he has about 40 passing attempts per game.
~Texas Massacre 08~
How Can You Say That?
All our RBs had respectable YPC , and would be WAY better if they had more opportunities.
Anyways, you think everybody sucks but Romo, so your opinion doesn’t really matter.
~Texas Massacre 08~
I pretty much agree with everything you said.
That was the first time I turned off the game as well man.
I’m pretty mad still. That game was a pretty sad case of effort.
There are no quick fixes
I think that is the most frustrating thing about the upcoming offseason. A coaching change with no major roster changes will do you no good. No coaching changes with the same cast will not work. Merely cutting expensive underachieving players is not feasible without revisiting cap hell. I don’t think a complete rebuild is wise or possible. The players don’t seem to understand the gravity of turnovers, missed tackles, blown coverages, or penalties as the last 3 years have been deja vu all over again.
I really don’t care who coaches this team next year. If there is one who can fix this team, so be it, but I just believe this team just is what it is.
It is feasible , but the coach and GM have
to change their attitudes. Tremendously. Bringing in another coach will turn us into the NFC version of the Oakland Raiders. Wade went 13-3 last year and the whole team thought all they had to do was tweak a little bit. They thoght teams would bow down in awe. The coaching staff and the GM have to prevent that type of mentality.
Listen to the Patriots of last year. They never talked about how great they were or how dominate, just how they needed to get better. Do you think that they drafted all those players with the same mentality or did the front office and coaching staff instill that in them.
Or better yet
I think the players attitudes need to change as well. I could believe that coaching played the integral part in the downfall of this season If only I didn’t see Bill Parcells lead teams do the same things as well. The teams problems go too far back for me to justify changing coaches over and over again. Again if that’s the direction this team goes in, so bet it, I just don’t see it as a instant fix., regardless of the coach.
yeah, ok thats a good point
Parcels teams lost just like Phillips
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly I think it all comes down to locker room accountibility
Which is why I say we need Ray Lewis. He’s an UFA this year.
I was thinking the same thing yesterday
Coaches can preach until they are blue in the face, but ,yes, there has to be accountability amongst the players and Ray Lewis is the ultimate at this. Better player than Zach anyway.
why the heck not
I’d like to see him whack some people around when they play poorly
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
“Ask Tom Brady in the Super Bowl last year.”
Brady at least showed up in that game. He led his team down the field to score the go ahead touchdown even with the pounding he took. An improbable, lucky catch prevented him from getting Ring Number #4.
Romo is not a big-time, clutch QB. He may become someday, but he wilts in December too. He makes foolish decisions with the ball and that is not the fault of the O-line. I certainly have hope for him, but he isn’t there yet.
We need to start with changing some personnel. Getting a Safety, NT, and a LB are a high priority. But is anything higher than fixing the O-line?
I'm sorry but it is the fault of the OL
If he doesn’t have time to make any plays.
The dumb plays when he is under pressure and heaves it up is absolutely on him. He has to clean those up. However, an OL who gives him time would help even more.
I too turned off the game
sometimes after the beginning of the 3rd quarter. it was well past midnight here and it didn’t seem worth staying up for that ! It wasn’t the loss, but the lack of effort and passion of playing football.
Right now I have no idea wether this team can turn things around or not. Then again, so did the Dolphins, so i guess there is hope
Nice article
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I believe the talent is in place. Can’t think of another team with more. In a way I hope BSPN and everyone talk all offseason about how soft this group is. I can’t stand that. Hopefully, they can’t either and show something we havent seen from this group….pride.
I remember in the offseason when BSPN was talking about how the Steelers are not a physical team
Really? How are they the #1 ranked defense? The Steelers were probably upset BSPN said that about them.
They were also talking about the offense
…and the Steeler offensive line is crap.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Someone mentioned getting Gruden if we can.
On the surface, I like it. But if this group sent Parcells out of the game, they would send Gruden to the looney bin. He would absolutely lose his frigging mind with this team.
I came to this realization after the Tampa Bay game
this tease(team) was not who we thought they were. But the roster is championship caliber. However the mentality is garbage. From the top to the bottom.
You cannot keep saying we are mentally weak without hanging that on somebody
Is it Jerry? Wade? Jason?
You can’t say it’s the players, because the leader has to set the tone.
I just am not sure who the top dawg is here…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I just figured it out. We are missing the bad cop.
We need to hire Mr. T to patrol the sideline/locker room. I pity the fool that jumps offsides. Or better yet the drill insructor from Full Metal Jacket. "ADAMS YOU ARE DUMB, BUT DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE FROM ON ONE AND ON TWO!! WERE YOU BORN IN AN ABORTION CLINIC. WERE YOU MOTHER AND FATHER BROTHER AND SISTER?? DID THEY HAVE ANY KIDS THAT LIVED?
I think its a combination
You dont need a disciplinarian coach like Jimmy Johnson to make a team accountable if you have star playerrs to do the same thing. Think guys like Aikman or Irvin. We dont have those sorts of players or coaches, which leads to the weak mentality.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
awesome job tuna
very well said and I agree with everything….these group of individuals we call a team needs changes…
+1
I will no longer defend Romo tooth and nail. I am still a huge supporter, but I will take the battered ex approach-I will give you another chance, but I don’t fully trust him. I shouldn’t be nervous every time Romo drops back. He is going to have to prove it to me; In the NFL only the playoffs matter, Romo hasn’t mattered in the playoffs. He is not elite, elite players find a way to win 2 games out of 4, when need it the most. If it means he studies film with JG every night. GET IT DONE. It is not all his fault, but with his ability to scramble, he could have done a lot more, break contain and create time. Teams repeatedly said they wanted to keep Romo in the pocket last year, now we are helping them by keeping him in the pocket. Sometimes you have to pull it down and get it done with you feet. Avoid the sack and the potential to fumble, by simply pulling it down and picking up positive yardage.
I also agree about the overall character of the team- it was a team of soft, sloppy individuals.
No way Atlanta or Minnesota has more individual talent, but they got it done.
I do disagree on Roy Williams trade, I give him the 09-10 season before I pass judgment.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Just think...
If JJ holds true that there is not going to be a coaching change, you can look forward to the exact same up-and-down, inconsistent play you saw this year. It will not change.
Inconsisentcy breeds mediocrity. Second to last in turnovers, dead last in penalties. Discipline anyone? 12-1 before Parcell’s discipline was completely removed from this team, 10-10 since. The Hillbilly Clown must leave immediately and in what form I do not care.
What discipline did Parcells instill?
Same penalties and turnovers.
I'll add to that...
Same players committing those penalties and turning the ball over as well.
are you saying
Bill Parcells was from the same school of thought as the Hillbilly Clown?
Nope
I’m saying basically the same group of players have played the same sloppy, undisciplined, stupid, reckless type of football under two coaches with two wholly separate attitudes and coaching styles. A disciplinarian failed to get this team to play to disciplined football, as well as a more laid back players coach.
What
about turnovers? Do you not see a problem with the lack of discipline there because that’s not the way it was when Bill was here
We need a more roster turnover
I keep think about how the Patriots in their 1st superbowl victory year had something like 20 no name low level free agents at camp, vying for positions
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
We were 30th in the NFL this year in turnover margin at -11
In 2004 we were 29th at -15
So was it really not a problem when Bill was here? Only once, in 2006, did we finish with a positive turnover margin under Bill.
wade needs to go...he has no controll over this team
that 4th down play where romo went for when wade wanted to punt showed me enough..even though i agree with romo that they should have gone for it wade should have told romo i am the hc and if i say punt its a punt..but nooooooooooooooooo wade just bends over once again and takes it…its time for a change once again
I just heard about the d lineman dancing and laughing on the plane ride back to dallas
what a jokeeeeee…If that was jimmy he would have been in there faces, but wade lol no way he probably was clapping along
Romo is not the problem
Romo is not the problem. He produces. Sure, he has had some “unfortunate results” in some big games, but he HAS won big games. See the GB game in 2007 and the Redskins and Giants games this year.
Baltimore loss? Not his fault.
Pitt loss? Pitt scored 17 points in the 4th qtr.
44-6 loss? He did suck a bit, but he had ZERO protection and no outlets (scheme problem)
Mark my words – Tony Romo WILL WIN plenty of playoff games in his career.
Just not yet. He can’t do it alone.
Romo
is most definitely a big part of the problem.
Yes, the tailspin at the end of the season was a team effort (or lack of effort). QB is the field general, so he doesn’t get a pass on a team collapse.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
So you agree that the Pit loss wasnt Romo's fault?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Witten said that he ran the wrong route, and slipped
But the offense was for sure at fault for that loss. The weather might have had something to do with it too.
Ben had a game winning drive that Romo couldnt match.
Besides the tape shows that both TO and Crayton were wide open on the play if Romo had of gone through his progressions he would have found one of them. The throw to Witten would have been off target anyway, it was way too high.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
Roethlisberger is a clutch QB? You have got to be kidding me, he hasn't had to carry a team since he came in the league.
He might not have to carry the team,
but when it matters he comes through with game winning drives. In the past three weeks alone he has had drives against both us and Baltimore to win the game towards the end of the fourth quarter
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I guess you're forgetting about
all the game winning drives Romo has had so far in his career…selective memory, huh?
In Romo we Trust
Dude, that comment had nothing to do with Romo
I was arguing the Big Ben was a clutch qb. What does that have to do with Romo
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 30, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I love terry
but if you didn’t post during the games, I would think you were actually Tony Romo..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Here is how Jerry
gets rid of wade.
jerry is going to tell Wade that Stewart has to go.
Wade is going to say no and if Stewart goes I go.
Wade is then gone.
Jerry hires an offensive mind to work with Garrett and hires Dom capers.
problem solved.
lol that would help but does not solve the problem
its not only the coaches here
A coaching turnstyle is not going to help the team.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
this makes some sense
I think it’s from the Star Telegram.
■ Begin by firing your chief enabler, Coach Cupcake himself. Swallow your pride. Back away from last week’s hasty stupidity. Admit you are wrong. He has to go.
■ Fire Bruce Read, 12 games too late, yet still necessary.
■ Bid farewell to Pacman and Tank. Talent allows trouble makers to get second chances, but neither has enough to justify their presence.
■ Say goodbye to T.O., as much as this hurts, because his whining, his private meetings, his silliness has become a distraction. Trust me, your team is better without him.
■ Call Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, any and every coach who you think might look you in the face and tell you to go to hell. Keep adding zeroes until one of them says yes.
■ Bring in a real backup quarterback, with talent and potential, to challenge Romo. He obviously needs a push, from coaches and from a guy vying for his job.
■ Keep The RH-no G, with a babysitter. Too early to give up on him. Too much evidence to leave him without supervision.
■ Slap Flozell Adams and Corey Proctor, on general principle.
■ Did I mention Coach Wade? Because as long as he’s your coach, your team will lack accountability and you will not win.
That article is ridiculous
are you familiar with the term “straw man?” A straw man argument is where you argue va a false perspective.
She’s correct in that the defense is not ‘fixed.’ However, she’s wrong in that under Phillips’ fixed gaze they improved a great deal, and it was Stewart’s fault the defense was in shambles. Further, she’s wrong in that she never addresses the D lacks a physical ILB and a Safety worth drawing an NFL check and the DEs don’t play consistently well, and there’s not a true NT on the roster. She keeps her argument one-dimensional and just blames the coach. I mean, just on the face of this one perspective, she has no credence.
And her final argument in support of the idea that Phillips needs to be fired, she asks, “what one thing needs to be done” to improve the team? That’s the best example of a straw man argument i’ve ever seen. There ISN’T ONE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
She’s just being hysterical because it turns heads.
BTW, why did she single out Tank Johnson? What’s he ever done? He’s equally as miserable as Canty and Spears and the rest of the crew.
Well...did you hear what he said in the locker room after the loss.....
helling………..’I’m a free agent baby!!!"
If he really said that
Then good riddance.He probably won’t command the paycheck he thinks he will and he’s not that tough to replace.
yeah he was mediocre
they said he was mediocre in Chicago, i didn’t really expect him to do much.
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
talk about ungrateful
da King was probably the ONLY owner bold enough to give him an opportunity to play football for a living, and that’s what you say after getting drubbed by Philly to end your season.
if he really said that, then kick his fat ass out the Valley Ranch door.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hey
I agree say by to TO, Flo needs to play better, Romo may need someone to push him..
Jerry needs someone he is comfortable enough with to let them coach. He shouldn’t have a coach that he needs to tell them to take over.. Wade should have done this last year
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
If you think Jerry is going to let another coach come in that he can't push around
You’re kidding yourself.
won't happen, doesn't mean it shouldn't happen..
Man, I am going have to back down my enthusiam for the team. I would be insane to think anything will change if we keep the same core of people around.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Why?
There’s nothing of substance in that article. It’s pure emotion. Is slapping Flozell Adams going to somehow help him play better?
apparently Pit Bull Anderson did slap him
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Deon and Flo...
Got into a fight on the flight back to Dallas. You can find the story on DMN.com
~Texas Massacre 08~
here it is..no biggee..
On the flight home from the Eagles loss, fullback Deon Anderson and left tackle Flozell Adams got into a fight. Guard Leonard Davis broke up the fight.
Anderson said he and Adams laughed about the scrap today in the locker room and that everything is fine.
where was that combative intensity around 4 pm that day?
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well only about 2 of things she said will happen.
Tank and Read will be gone. Perhaps we will bring in a solid backup QB.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
the problem isn’t talent, it’s attitude ….. I love if they had the swagger that a Baltimore or Pittsburgh has instead of this heads down, crying bull.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
First time I can ever remember turning off a tie game. Shut the tv down at 3-3, and went outside to take care of the horses. I could just see that Philly wanted it, and the Boys had just shown up because the had to. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic is what I thought at the time. I live in Alaska, so the view calms me immensely after watching this crap week in, and week out.
Best thing I could have done, came back in and it was 44-3. Sad thing is, I laughed, it was that predictable after the game started.
I refuse to tiptoe through life, only to arrive safely at death.
I'm going to be happy when the venting is over
Saying we lost because we had no heart or because we didn’t play with effort or because we played too soft is lazy. Stop blaming the team’s perceived lack of attitude and heart. This team wanted to win, just like every other team wants to win. This game wasn’t lost because of a lack of effort. Did Barber lack heart because he fumbled in the red zone? Did Romo lack passion and a will to win because he had three turnovers? Of course not. Yet those four mistakes led to touchdowns. That was the game right there.
Cowboys fans need to take a week to calm down before trying to cast judgment on the team or start making suggestions for next year. Right now, we’re angry and upset and not thinking clearly. Let’s stop complaining about things that didn’t impact the game (heart, effort, toughness) and try to focus on ways the team can actually improve for next year.
by cstorm15 on Dec 29, 2008 3:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I
think this is actually a good thing. A lot of us fans and a lot of members of the Cowboys believed the hype ESPN created, when they said that the Boys were going to the Super Bowl before the season actually started. I hope this brings Jerry Jones back down to Earth and make him realize that there’s something majorly wrong with the team, but it’s really close to being a great team.
With all this crap this year, they still ended up 9-7 ….. that’s not too bad.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
No
You’re somewhat myopic in your view of the fans’ commentary. The rants you’re so vehemnetly opposed to are, in fact, about the entire season. They are not, as you suggest, about “the game”.
Cowboys fans wanted more from their team in 2008, and I, for one, am okay with the bashing that comes with poor play in the same way I am about people being upset at the heads of the American Auto manufacturers or the big financial institutions.
Saying a team “wanted it more” is common sports-speak for how hard they practiced, prepared and hustled. I have no problem with fans who spent lots of their hard earned cash on Roy Williams (the good one) jerseys and went to the games and paid ungodly prices for for Sunday Ticket HD so they could watch their Cowboys make them proud.
We were let down. Let us have our chance to vent without you trying to clamp down on free speech. K?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not that I'm in a position to tell people how to grieve...
But blind outrage doesn’t fix anything. There’s nothing wrong with being angry at the team, but atleast get mad about stuff that actually impacts team performance on Sundays. There’s no tangible evidence that the Cowboys lacked heart or didn’t want to win. Those are just mindless excuses repeated throughout sports whenever a team doesn’t accomplish what the fans demand. For some reason, fans want an immediate, simple explaination for everything. There is no such explaination for the Eagles game or for the season as a whole. It was a combination of bad gameplans and injuries and mental errors on the field and pure bad luck.
As fans, we shouldn’t just resort to mindless sports-speak. It may be an efficient way to vent, but it isn’t accurate.
Then
explain why MBIII began fumbling this year. And, explain why a DB barely touches the ball from behind in a desperate move, and it flies out of MBIII’s hands. He’s not dialed in. He’s not focused. He’s not prepared. Lack of heart. Lack of preparation. Phrase it any way you like. It’s gutless to allow yourself to be humiliated. That’s not a cliche.
Strange Example
MBIII had 204 rushes, 44 receptions, and 3 fumbles in 2007. He had 238 rushes, 52 receptions, and 7 fumbles in 2008.
How is that evidence that he lacks heart and isn’t prepared?
I worry that it's coaches that help ball security
Like, how to hang on to the ball, hold it up on your chest
and, don’t let the players lose their cool, it leads to turnovers
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys charter attitude
amongst the players was described like the last day of school. That’s sad
by who?
Jimmy Johnson, in legend, fired all the players who told Irvin that it losing didn’t matter as long as they were paid
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yet he didn't fire Irvin when he stabbed a teammate in the neck
Please enough with the Jimmy Johnson nonsense.
JJ was gone then
that was Switzer, and the stabbed guy was an average player
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
not that stabbings are ok
just in Toronto from what i hear
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
So since he was an average player that's ok?
I know that’s not what you really meant, but that’s how it sounded.
I was at the sports bar watching the game with some friends
I usually get something to eat around halftime, but didn’t. Midway through the third quarter I got something to go and left. I don’t think I ever walked out on a game no matter how bad it was. I knew it wasn’t our day when we kicked the opening kickoff out of bounds and the Eagles started at the 40……Right there I knew we were in trouble…
+1
i was right on the verge of going to a bar. i’m so glad i didn’t. cheaper and less embarrassing. and thank god i have a wifey who knows exactly what every frustrated cowboy fan needs after a loss like that. lol.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
yup...their both married tho.......
sorry guys….i snatched the last one….lol….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Boyz
You know I said the same thing to my buddy!!!!!
When the kick off went out of bounds I said we will lose because it showed we could do the simplest thing as getting the ball down the middle of the field.
I turned the game off at 17-3, I can’t remember EVER doing that before yesterday and I’ve watching since 1975
Ouch
Not an exact comparison though…Everett was a first round pick from a major university, acquired in a significant trade. Much was expected of him. That’s one thing thing about Romo – the team has still received great value considering how they obtained him.
Well said..
…I wish we weren’t all having to go through all of these post mortems, but ‘you are what you are’. And we are not a good team right now. We’re 9-7.
How many teams would rejoice if they were 9-7? None the less, by our standards it sucks, and I’m glad we have high standards.
I was in favor of Singletary back when he was available, and still am, but that won’t happen. He would be the cure for what ails this team. He may not be the best X’s and O’s guy but he could hire them. What he is, is a winner!
He expects to win and he expects those around him to expect to win, and do everything to ensure that win. He has the chops to pull it off (Super Bowl ring, pro-bowl player, future Hall of Fame) there’s no arguing with this guy and his credentials. Not that he would brook any arguments from players or coaches.
You will play your butt off, or he will climb so far up up your butt that you will be tasting hair tonic.
Wade is a good football mind and can be a good HC, if he can get some good coaches under him. I admire him for being willing to take a bullet for his guys, but he also needs to have a heavy hat. Everyone knows how tough Marine Corps drill instructors are, usually three to a platoon. The Senior DI, the final word, tough but fair. He can be the father figure to the recruits when needed, but he sets the pace. The 3rd DI is usually a new DI, in training, he is basically an apprentice to the SDI. Then there’s the heavy hat…the flaming a-hole who will curse you and criticize you no matter what. You can’t please this guy and you are scared to death of him. If you developed a cure for cancer he would pour it on the ground, spit on it and scream that it wasn’t the right color. You kill yourself trying to keep out of this guys cross-hairs.
The Cowboys can use Wade as the Senior DI, but I think they defintely need a ’heavy hat" to keep guys lean and hungry.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I don't think
you even need a bully necessarily like Bill. But you do need someone that holds people accountable.
Ray Lewis could be that dude. The more I think about it he wold pull the D together.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
08' Thank you's
I live in Miami and I’ve heard just about enough BS about how stupid we are because of Parcells and Sparano and Fasano, etc etc. The greatest thing is, these are my nephews and cousins giving me crap and guess what??….they’re right….so I have to lower my head and say congrats, hope the fins win a few more because I would much rather see Miami in the playoffs than Bill Beliechick and the Patsies…..but anyways. After such a wonderful day I am having thanks to my beloved cowboys, here are my 2008 thank you awards:
1. Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode: Thank you for the penalties and missed snap counts. Thanks for getting our QB sacked or hit so many times he had broken fingers, back and ribs during the season. It has been a pleasure watching you all year and knowing you guys make millions. You make me sick.
2. Terence Newman: Thank you for such wonderful games against Washington, Pittsburgh and Philly……just about the ones that counted the most. Make sure you work on that golf swing all offseason and don’t worry about the fact that every QB in the league knows they can throw at you because you NEVER EVER will turn for the ball. You’re another overpaid idiot with a big mouth.
3. Jason Garret and Hudson Houck: Make sure you pay for Romo’s hospital bills and thank him everyday for taking all those questions after every embarrasing game and NEVER calling you out the way he should’ve. The guys was knocked out 3 thousand times during the season and still made some plays and you 2 couldn’t figure out a way to protect him, call short routes, get RW2 nd T.O. more involved. Do you really have the balls to collect another check? Really?
4. Brian Stewart and Bruce Read: You should never be allowed to touch the state of Texas again. No more words needed for you fools. Leave….wherever, I don’t care….hopefully Philly or Washington…just leave.
5: Chris Canty and Marcus Spears: Where’s your hearts? effort? Hatcher and Rattlif should be playing your positions if we only had anoter NT. To hell with both you….
The real heroes of our organization that really show passion and love for the star and do not deserve to be in the middle of this BS:
1. Tony Romo: If the O-line gives him time and he still throws the picks I would be dissapointed on his season, but we had no o-line this season and this guy takes the blame all the time. It’s just sad.
2. Jason Witten: A bit more leadership would help but he leads by example. He played hurt all year and didnt miss anytime. A true warrior.
3. Terrell Owens: He’s missunderstood, but he gives it all every game. Everytime we have a turnover pls make sure you watch him chase the ball, this guy cares. He’s human and he’s a competitor and opens his mouth to the wrong people but I can live with that with his effort on the field and off the field.
4. Jay Rattlif: if halfthe team had half his heart we would be the 1st seed in the NFC no doubt.
5. Demarcus Ware: can’t ask for much more from this guy….maybe to be a bit nastier on the QB’s.
6. Nick Folk: Another great season for this guy. Work on your leg or quit the kickoff duties but he’s the man when it comes to FG’s. .
7. The rookies who made signifiant efforts…Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Orlando Scandrick, Martellus Bennet and Mike Jenkins. If we could only draft O-line men and D-linemen like we drafted CB and RB this year.
Thank you Mantab, I wish those guys were reading this
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Parcels, 10-6 to 6-10
I bet saparano repeats him
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
It wouldn't surprise me...
I don’t think the Dolphins beat Baltimore this this week and their dream will be over…..but they played heart with a very mediocre cast. NOBODY wouldve taken Pennington over Romo in the offseason….hey lost their two best players on Deffense (Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor) and still made the playoffs. If they draft well, they’ll build something nice down here. I am glad for them and I am glad for Parcells and Sparano.
I'm just saying
you step in on a new team, you run schemes like the wildcat no one’s ever seen, and everybody thinks you’re a savior.
Next year people have seen your schtick, and you get leveled back down to earth
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Think JG this year
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
thank you
I know everyone is down on Romo, but I really think he gets way too much blame when this team collapses. Someone pointed out earlier that half the teams in the playoffs now have mediocre QB’s and are riding on the backs of excellent defenses. I think if anything when we let all those coaches and assistants go in the offseason we really screwed with the chemistry of this team.
I love this
3. Jason Garret and Hudson Houck: Make sure you pay for Romo’s hospital bills and thank him everyday for taking all those questions after every embarrasing game and NEVER calling you out the way he should’ve. The guys was knocked out 3 thousand times during the season and still made some plays and you 2 couldn’t figure out a way to protect him, call short routes, get RW2 nd T.O. more involved. Do you really have the balls to collect another check? Really?
I couldn’t agree more with this.. How team say they figured you out and still do the same thing?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Also, blow off Fasano
Martellus Bennet is already better
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
What's up with your bashing or #1 CB
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Dec 29, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
DEs
If Hatcher was better than Canty or Spears, I suspect he already would be starting, true NT or not.
Also, anyone think Wade Wilson is useless? Romo has shown no progress in two years. Protecting the ball is really holding him back, and no gains have been made.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 29, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Stellar Post
One note – Miami had a heck of a year and Sparano and Parcells and Henning and Pennington and Brown and that D deserve a lot of credit. However, their test will be Year 2 in this new regime.
Why?
Because the Fins benefited a little from a last place schedule of 2007.
However, wins on the road against New England and the NY Jets speak volumes… and beating the sucky teams that their supposed to beat also says a lot about the character, discipline, and makeup of the ’08 roster.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
going from 1 win to the playoffs passes any reasonable test
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
The Cowboys are what they are
no worse than 9-7 for 4 straight years says you aren’t losers. Just marginal winners.
But they are soft, unfocused, mistake prone. The Cowboys need to study what the Ravens did last season, turning their training camp in to a boot camp. Worried about injuries in the preseason? At least those guys won’t burden the roster.
Before we pine about Saparano going 11-5 in his 1st year lets remember:
Payton in his first year in NO, then falling apart for 2 years
Parcells 10-6 to 6-10.
NYJ 11-5 to 5-11 under Mangini in year 1 and 2
it goes and goes… lets wait tell Saparano has 100 games before we declare him the Jesus we missed.
Wade is promising to be tougher. Thing is we have no choice. Wade it is. If he wants to be remembered as a great coach, the coming out of this gutter will freaking make him immortal.
Sure, theres a lot of 1st year coaches doing well this year. Lets see if 1 wins the superbowl
This team’s rookie core and young player core is solid.
The biggest change we need is the threat of benching. I can’t imagine a team being more humbled right now… but lets remember
A) The Texans went .500 for 2 straight years now, their best run ever. How’d you like that mediocrity?
B) There is lower. We could being saying people ought to be shot, like our name was Chris Cater
My fears are that
Sloppy tackels
Bad Blocking
Bad Block Shedding
Sloppy Routes
off target throws
that these won’t go away.
Wade should but a gag order on the whole team and coaches, especially in the season.
What do more knowledgeable football observers say about the criticism of Garrette’s schemes?
That's another thing...
I would love for this team to stay out of the spotlight for an offseason…no hard knocks, no interviews no nothing. The media is your enemy.
Romo
Via the DMN blog:
21 Turnovers in 13 games (14 INT’s and 7 fumbles).
We will get nowhere (and in fact, we didn’t get anywhere) with those kind of stats from our QB.
It’s partly his fault but I felt our running game was hit or miss and that crippled play action passes, which weren’t exactly brilliantly called. it would so cool if Norv Turner could return
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
The turnovers have nothing to do with scheme
the fumbles are because Romo doesn’t protect the ball. He reverts to a sandlot playmaking state when a play breaks down (which was all the time, thank you offensive line and Garrett) and he may try to make a play with his feet and forgets himself and the technique that’s been drilled into his noggin. So the ball’s out there to be knocked down as easily as a glass of water on a tray a waiter carries.
He throws INTs because he reverts to his sandlot state of mind when the play breaks down. He throws off his back foot or hucks a ball into the air just praying something good will happen. The worst thing for us is that a lot of the time good things DO happen.
The thing that makes Romo great is the same thing that makes him volatile and a turnover machine. He’s a gambler, and gamblers only win repeatedly when they can control the odds. He’s an exciting player that likes the excitement of playing, and unless he makes his job boring and does only what he’s trained to do… then fumbles and INTs will always be a major part of his game.
i dont mind when Romo tries to make plays
thats what makes him special, but he has to know when to give up on a play. Simple poker-know when to hold em and when to fold em. If he throws the ball away a little more instead of forcing a throw or allowing the ball to be stripped from him, then he can be really great.
Some is on Romo but most is on the coaches
Coaches good coaches put you in position to make plays. Allot of our big plays this year were because Romo keep them alive. Blocking schemes, adjustments from game to game. I saw nothing new from this year to last years.
why do people keep hoping for Norv Turner?
His team just made the playoffs…he will probably be in SD for a while, especially if they make any noise in the playoffs. Which they likely will.
Norv is one of the best OCs, but he's just an ok HC...
…although he has won more playoff games than Wade Phillips.
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by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
ahhhh..there was that number I was looking for.....where you at Terry....
That is real bad……Your not going to win many games with those turnovers….
Any chance Tony's penchant for turnovers is what has been causing him to get nervous and overshoot wide open receivers?
Yeah, maybe his hand never fully healed and having a bad back certainly didn’t help manners these final two games but maybe just maybe the shellshock of turning the ball over so frequently (and in increasingly embarrassing ways) causes Romo to overcompensate and may be a huge culprit whenever he missed wide open targets.
As I believe Wmillion mentioned in a previous thread, the biggest concern about Romo should be whether his confidence is shot. I foresee an overly tentative Tony missing tons more wide open targets next season. While not nearly as directly costly as turnovers, constantly missing open receivers will come back to bite you in the rear too.
That's a 1.6 turnover per game ratio
Which by the way is lower than the career turnover ratio of quite a few HoF qb’s, as I posted in a thread earlier this year.
Different era.
You can’t compare QBs in the 70s to now, the game is just too different. I thought you said Aikman and Montana.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
Aikman 1.2 per game
Montana 1.16 per game
The argument in the post earlier in the year was that his ONE turnover a game was too much and I listed like 15 QB’s with more than 1 per game turnover.
As I said in that thread, though, they didn't do that when they were winning SBs.
It’s just like the Brett Favre argument. Yeah, other guys have turned the ball over. But in their prime years, when they were winning championships, they turned the ball over less than once a game. Everyone compares Romo to Favre, but the year he won it all, his TD:INT was 3:1. So do we want Romo to be like HOF QBs when they weren’t winning championships, or like they were in their prime seasons?
Also, according to NFL.com, Aikman had 163 turnovers in 165 games, and Montana had 139 INTs in 177 games, so unless he lost more than 65 fumbles in his career, you’re numbers are off.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Or, your numbers are off.
Bad grammar.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm the site I was using must be off, you're right
It must have listed fumbles, not fumbles lost. I gotta do some more research.
he more than likey did
despite what most fans on this site fail to comprehend is that a qb will fumble when getting hit blindsided by a 300 lbs DL or LB.
I never fault a qb on a fumble like that, thats all on the OL.
In Romo we Trust
He only fumbled 53 times
So I doubt that 65 were recovered by the other team.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Cumulative
You have to look at the plays cumulatively, not individually. All QBs get hit, and all QBs fumble. QBs who hold the ball away from their body will fumble more. Romo holds the ball away from his body.
They will fumble when getting hit, but not every time, and the frequency of the fumbles is the issue with your boy.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 29, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
don't get on Terry
He isn’t turning the football over. He just knows like we all do, that Romo is our QB..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Yeah well ok I'm out of things to say
I genuinely enjoyed parts of this year, watching Bradie James jump over people to sack McNabb was pretty cool even in this last game.
I hope this team knows the story of the undefeated Dolphin’s team, who used a humiliating defeat to make a season of legend.
Or the story of the ’94 49ers, who used 2 humiliating defeats to power them to a superbowl.
incidentally both teams lost to the Cowboys – Dallas is still the best winning percent in history, so if people give you crap call them out for their perennial mediocrity.
faith?
You turned the game off at halftime and you’re telling those who want Phillips fired and Tony Romo challenged to have faith?
I never turn off COwboys games after watching the Buffalo Bills come back from 31 points down to win a game. But hey, that’s just me. I sat through the entire hell of it. But I also want Wade Phillips fired and the Cowboys to bring in a quarterback to challenge him
thelandryhat.com New Coach, Same America's Team
You cant get on someone for turning off that game.
I turned it off after MB3’s fumble that was returned for a touchdown, or it might have been Romo’s, whichever one was second. Anyway my point is some people just cant stand to watch their team that they have invested so much of their time in get beaten so convincingly. For me the game was just too much to take.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
can the ghost of Tom Landry
at least give us some advice? we need a patron saint at this point
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Tuna, great stuff
…I agree with just about everything you said. My only small quibbles are I’m not worried about T.O. and I think Roy Williams, the WR, will end up working out for us if he is utilized properly.
The team is mentally soft and Romo is not ready for Prime Time at the moment. Of course, those things can be fixed if they are recognized and addressed properly.
As far as your mocking of JJT, Floyd Engel, etc, don’t feel bad — they deserve to be mocked, as most of these people are simple media harlots seeking to curry favor and attention from larger Cowboys-hating outlets like the BSPNs of the world. Besides Ed Werder getting punked by his own employer, the highlight of the media circus’ year was JJT’s writing the “T.O. is done” piece on the same day Owens put up 200 yards. Doesn’t get any better than that and everyone in the organization laughed their rear ends off at JJT after the game.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions
One thing on T.O., though...
…he has to work to catch more balls. I’m not going to go crazy over this, but he has to continue to try to improve this as best he can. The media credits T.O. with a ‘drop’ if the ball even grazes his fingertips, but that still doesn’t excuse the numerous, legitimate drops that he unfortunately accumulates throughout a season.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Miles Austin went from seeming handless to a guy who snags it out of the air
by AustonianAggie on Dec 29, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
I think Miles...
…had a hands transplant with Patrick Crayton. That would explain Miles’ newfound grip and also maybe explain where Crayton’s hands went. :)
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Dont doubt that T.O. will work hard all offseason
He always does but with drops and considernig he is already 35 I dont think it will improve that much. That being said I still love him on the team because of the big plays he can make.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I was just seeing things re: RW2
but when they isolated a camera on him I was amazed at the sloppiness of the route he ran. I ran better routes on the street at the age of 8. I hope it’s just his plantar fascitus.
Garrett to interview with Lions.....
NFL Netork Adam Shefter just reported it. Garrett and 3 other coordinators are interviewing for the HC job. Jerry granted Garrett permission to speak to the Lions, which doesn’t make sense because I thought any coordinator can interview for a HC job. Maybe it was a coordinator position he is going for??
I think Garrett is gone…..and I won’t be disappointed to see him go. If not Detroit maybe somewhere else. We could be in the market for a new OC and DC, OL coach, Special teams coach. I think there is going to be some major changes in the coaching staff, but not the one everyone wants.
Absolutely Not!!!
Martz alienates everyone in the organization and is worse at QB protection than anyone else.
No offense, but...
…“HELL NO!”
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by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
We dont have the personel to run a west coast offence
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
No to the West Coast.
We need an offense very similar to the Giants O…Run, Run, Pass/Play-Action.
Look at the turnaround Eli has had since this implimentation.
~Texas Massacre 08~
You're kidding right?
That’s all they’ve run for years. Eli didn’t get magically better because they changed the offense…
+1
I’m good if Garrett leaves. I wish him the best, but the team isn’t buying in right now and this might be Jason’s best chance to score a HC job before he could be further exposed as not ready for the job.
As mhuff says, perhaps it’s time to consider a West Coast philosophy. As a Cowboys fan, it pains me to say that but you know T.O. thrives in that setting and when you see under-talented teams like the Eagles thrive with that system you wonder how we might fare with it.
Too bad Norv Turner isn’t available as an OC.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
not smart.
garrett didn’t exactly have a great year but to let him walk would be a huge mistake. even though he did nothing to deserve it, if i were jerry i would fire wade and promote garrett now. he’s young and he has potential. yes he had some boneheaded calls, but he also showed some moments of genius, too. wade is a likeable guy i’m sure but he obviously doesn’t have what it takes to motivate players enough to get them to perform at the next level. maybe garrett can. if only jerry would let him hire his own damn staff.
by Barbie Carpenter on Dec 29, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that JG should stay but promoting him would be ludacris
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Please lord...let him leave!!!!
Enough of this fool!!!!!! he never was anything with Miami, he didnt do enough considering the monsters we have on offense here…..leave!!!!!!….just leave!!!!!!
TO's not selfish
This guy played with a broken leg in the Super Bowl. While Romo goofed off in Mexico last year, TO did all he could to rehab himself and get ready for the playoffs. He run blocks and runs after DBs who make interceptions.
I also don’t see what the problem is having private meetings with your coach to talk about problems. When I or anyone have problems at work, we go and talk to our manager privately to try to sort things out. I would like to thing football is like any other business. It seems more like the case that Werder over hyped some things.
+1
I wish Romo had more T.O. in him. Romo did Cabo and T.O. did the hyperbaric chamber so he could try to rescue McChoke from throwing up the Eagles’ chances in the Super Bowl. Besides that, T.O. is the only 1,000 yard producer of any of our skill players and also led the team with 10 TDs, all while being doubled for much of the year.
T.O. is far from a perfect guy but his main focus is winning. I have no problem with him and do not want to see him leave the team. If we can get a better offense in place and guys like Williams are able to become legitimate options that defenses have to respect and shift coverage to, T.O. could have a big year next season, I think.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
+10000000000000000000
I wish others could see it that way
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
Bradie goes postal
Just when you think the circus is shutting down …
A fan wearing a Jason Witten jersey stood on the street in front of the Cowboys’ Valley Ranch facility today, wearing a sandwich board that read, “WADE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE STAR AND OUR TEAM HAS NO HEART.” The man ended up calling Irving police after a confrontation with LB Bradie James.
James said the fan was blocking his way out of the parking lot, leading him to tell the man he needed to get out of the way or get hit by the linebacker’s luxury SUV.
“He said, ‘Why you guys didn’t show that fire last night? You should have showed that heart last night!’” James recalled to reporters. “So next thing you know, I’m just ripping his sign off him. So I ripped the sign off him. He said I broke his glasses, so I went and gift-wrapped some Oakleys. He got something out the deal.”
Cooler heads prevailed when the fan met with James inside the Cowboys facility, along with a team security official and an Irving police officer. James said the fan told him his angst was directed at the rest of the Cowboys, not him.
“I told him, ‘I share your frustrations. But where we differ is I wouldn’t go to anybody’s job, especially not with 300-pound guys, trying to tell them what they didn’t do right,’” James said. “But that’s it. It’s over.”
This sounds like it could be...
…the “Cowboys Chris” guy who punked Ed Werder. Not sure of that, but it sounds similar to what he did to Werder. Is there a link for this? Man, I hope there’s video!
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
It's about time someone on this team goes postal
They need to do it to each other in the locker room.
Deon Anderson and Flozell got in a fight on the airplane
according to the DMN blog and Leonard Davis had to break it up.
brutal
this was the first sunday in a couple of years that i wasn’t excited about watching the cowboys. which is strange because it was a playoff game in a sense. but after the way that baltimore game ended, i had absolutely no doubt in my mind they would lose to philly. and i didn’t even care.
the arizona loss? pissed. the rams loss? really pissed. dropping a grand to fly to pittsburgh for a drunken weekend of football “fun” only to see them choke while sitting in a sea of black and gold? hungover, pissed and humiliated. losing by 40 to philly in the most important game of the season….. shrug… whatever. in fact by the time the score got to 34 i was hoping that the eagles would drop another 30 on us just to drive home the point: this team is overrated. it took me until the baltimore game to finally admit that. and until the players and especially jerry acknowledge that, this team will continue to choke.
by Barbie Carpenter on Dec 29, 2008 5:31 PM CST reply actions
both coordinators.. Stewart is dead weight and salary
All he’s decided so far is that he needs a plan; he’s only started putting it together. However, he said both coordinators will be back and he expects all the star players to return.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3798441
Anderson Silva should be our D coodinator any dumb plays you get one leg kick..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Why???
Why in the world is he bringing Stewart back. He took Stewart’s duties away from him and the defense got BETTER.
Unbelievable.
+1
Stewart was a clear liability and seemed to only ensure that more of Wade’s time was spent as a DC rather than a HC. Very disappointed in this news.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
What it would cost to cut TO...hmmmmmmm....
Whether it happens or not, let’s look at the salary-cap ramifications of cutting Terrell Owens.
He was paid a $12.9 million signing bonus last June and has three years left on the deal, so the proration that would come forward is $9.675 million. He’s scheduled to count $8.995 million against the cap.
Quick math says the move would cost the Cowboys $680,000.
What should the Cowboys do?
In case you’re wondering, the Cowboys would save $2 million if the cut Brad Johnson, $2 million if they cut Montrae Holland, $2.2 million if they cut Roy Williams (the safety).
I don't get why people want to cut T.O..
Hes still clearly one of our best players even if he isn’t elite anymore. He can be great number 2 to RW2 for the next couple years.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
I think Dallas is allowed one TO type player
Having any more then that is too much.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
agreed
TO keeps quiet, the Media runs out of angels, but the Pac-Man sage was too much.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
That's my opinion, too
Get rid of Pacrat and Tank. Not enough production for the trouble. I still don’t believe Owens was the cause of his problems this year. I don’t care if he does yell on the sidelines. At least he gives a rat’s behind.
RW2 can be a great number 2 for TO the next couple of years
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
T.O. was one of the few guys that looked like he gave a damn yesterday.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't name a single coach that wouldn't want an owner
Willing to spend his brains out to make the team better
So let's see how tough this choice is
Pay 9.675 million to have our WR’s be Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton
or
Pay 8.995 million to have our WR’s be T.O. and Roy Williams.
Hmm tough one…
How do you figure it would cost 680k to cut him?
You think of it the wrong way. It would cost 9.675 million to cut him.
Don’t you remember the days when we paid 8-10 million for players not on our team? That didn’t work out so well.
It's about the cap, not the physical cash amount.
It would cost an EXTRA $680,000 to cut him vs. having him on the team this year, not only $680,000. When I say cost, I don’t mean in money that they have to pay him, I mean money that comes out or our salary cap. So they are suggesting that we pay 9 mil to not have him on the team, vs. 9 mil to have him on the team. That means that not only is he gone, but the ability to sign someone else with his salary is gone.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
no......
T.O. signed a three-year, $27 million extension with a big, ol’ signing bonus last summer, but getting rid of him wouldn’t do much damage to the salary cap. Per Todd Archer’s calculations, the Cowboys would take a hit of only $680,000 on next season’s cap if they cut T.O.
Actually BPS is right
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 1, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions
wow..just wow...
ESPN’s ex-wide receiver Cris Carter on Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens:
“If it was me, I’d get rid of T.O. T.O. got to go from the beginning. Right from the giddy up. I take one bullet and put it right in him. Bam!”
Don’t believe me? C.C. said it on ESPN’s M&M this morning. Thanks to the woderful Awful Announcing for the heads up.
http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/lets-hope-cris-carter-was-only.html
Chris Carter is a jealous punk...
…and he’s crossed the line from BSPN sell-out shill to just flat-out embarrassment with his obvious jealousy and pettiness towards T.O. As has been said, Carter can’t take that T.O. has passed him in TD receptions and will end up with better numbers in every single category than former coke and alcohol addict Carter had.
T.O.‘s not going anywhere. Wilbon was saying the same garbage in his online article today. The reason they’re making such a fuss to get rid of T.O. is that they’re scared to death he’s going to have more success and eventually get a ring here. That’s what they fear most of all. The louder the chirping, the greater you know the fear is.
by PaulFVillarreal on Dec 29, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Carter is such a hypocrite.
He did many of the same things that T.O does only he didn’t get the attention T.O. does only he didn’t get roasted by the media for it.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's over guys. Move on. Speak to you at Draft Time.
Wade Must go. Tony Sucks.
Romo really does suck. Jerry really needs to hire a GM. Fuck your new stadium Jerry.
by Captain Comeback on Dec 29, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply actions
God I just hate that I have listen to haters for a whole another year
and I really don’t have any defense either.
And that is exactly
Why we are “the haters”…..
we dont hate the cowboys, we love this team so much, we actually hate the fact that e have to show our face to everyone after such embarrasament of a season!!!!!……..so we have to express ourselves here…..and do you really think they deserve anything more than hate from us at this point?
You're right.
The criticism will be well deserved after the latest debacle.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's what sucks
I hear from people that don’t even have a team about how bad the Boys suck. They couldn’t tell me who the Boys QB is and they want to chirp. And like you’re saying, I got nothin’ to say back. Just have to bite my lip for a few months. Damn, the postseason has taken forever already.
Jason Garrett?
Detroit Lions interested in Jason Garrett
5:43 PM Mon, Dec 29, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Pete Aldrich E-mail News tips
Todd Archer has confirmed the NFL Network’s report that the Detroit Lions have requested permission to speak with offensive coordinator Jason Garrett about their head coaching vacancy.
The Lions fired Rod Marinelli on Monday, one day after becoming the NFL’s first 0-16 team.
This is not new territory for Garrett, who last off-season turned down Baltimore and also interviewed with Atlanta.
from DMN.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
perfect job
Only can go up from there..
10 jump balls for Calvin a game and you will look like a genuis..
How funny would that be, he uses our draft picks to build a team..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Andre close #2 in my book
Calvin is going to be absolutely unstoppable once he gets out of purgatory
Andre is the best WR in the game...he is a beast...
Marshall is right behind him..then Calvin, Fitzgerald…Moss
Both are the deal
not sure who is better, I know Andre’s QB’s are much better..
There is nothing either one can’t do..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
He probably will get it.
They say he is great in interviews..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Lets get Miami's QB coach David Lee.
We need to return the favor.
by houseofprime on Dec 29, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, no. Miami's OC is Dan Henning.
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
problem is
If was going to fire Wade he would have done it already. We would want 1st crack at the coaches..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Does the coach's salary contribute to the salary cap?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
i loved the first commenter's response to that...
…calling Marcellus Wiley, “MORONELLUS” – LOL!!!
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
by silverblue5 on Dec 29, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
man..I'm listening to Sirius NFL Radio right now,....
and the cowboy fans are angry as hell……oh my…..
The host been killing us all day….
they still are...
It’s non-stop…and the sad part is alot of what they are saying is true..Jerry is in total denial..
Pat Kirwan
Resident cowboy hater had a good point. He said we need someone outside of the franchise and eveluate the talent, maybe we aren’t as talented as we think we are.. Big name players, but no big talent..
Zach out of position, Tank did nothing, Pac did nothing, Canty and Spears…
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Yeah Kirwin hates us..especially TO
Zach was a bad sign from the start….I was bigger than Zach playing LB in college and I know I couldn’t play 3-4 ILB….He is a 4-3 MLB. Miami knew he wasn’t a good fit for there scheme.
Rat was out of position all season. I commend him for doing a good job, but for the long haul he will break down and did. He needs to be a 3-4 DE.
I think this D-line is going to look totally different next year…
+1
Never understood the signing of Zach, especially when we don’t have a true NT to eat up the linemen. Very disturbing signing without a true NT in my opinion.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Rat is a good ball player, but he’s too small for the NT posistion. When doubled he gets moved around too easily. We need a true NT, that when doubled will hold his ground. Move Rat to DE and find a NT.
1. Fire Wade. He is a great coordinator, but he’s not a head coach.
2. Shake up the offensive line. Flozell has to go.
3. Keep Barber, Choice, and F Jones. RUN, RUN, RUN. Our run/pass ratio next year should be 55/45.
4. Get rid of TO. Other teams seem to get by without pro bowlers at every position. So can we.
5. Romo has to work all offseason on ball security: Hold the ball with two hands until he is actually throwing the ball. When he starts scrambling, unless someone is obviously open just tuck it and run. I don’t mind his interceptions so much, but he’s venturing into Dave Krieg territory with his fumbles.
6. Get a capable back up at qb. Please
Once again....
You’re stuck with Flozell.
His signing bonus would all count against us next season. Maybe we’ll dump him after next year, but not this year.
I couldn't disagree more
Who on this team will create mismatches, which allow our other weapons 1v1 situations, if Owens is gone?
Please don’t say Roy “I round off my routes” Williams…
TO is still the best receiver in the NFC East.
He has over 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns even though hes been doubled all year. Getting rid of him for Austin who has never been a starter would be a poor decision. Austin should be groomed to take over TO when he retires.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 29, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
another reason why Wade must go
This was Bradie’s comment when he heard Wade is going to be more demanding. Wade didn’t address the team today.
“If you know a person to be a certain way and then all of the sudden, you have an extreme change, I don’t know,” LB Bradie James said. “I don’t know how well that’s going to be taken. I don’t know what he means by that. But he didn’t address us, so I don’t know.”
Referencing my #3 and #4 comments
3. I don’t care about the cap hit as much as Romo getting hit. Not to mention 2nd and twos constantly turning into 2nd and sevens.
4. Jerry needs to PROVE to everone that no one player is above the team.
calm the hell down
I think that about half of the people on this thread need to put the season into perspective and not relive the destructive December.
Talking about trading the nucleus of this team is nonsense. We for sure keep Newman and Barber.
We have to remember that this season had some of the worst, if not the worst, IR and games missed by injury list in recent Cowboy memory. The fact that we were mildly successful with a street-punter, 4th string SS, an inconsistent CB lineup including 2 rookies and someone who hasn’t played in a year, 3rd string RB, back-up RG, backup and 3rd string QB, helps to ameliorate some of the bitterness of the season-ending loss. I am not saying that change is not needed, however, change may mean for a lot of the lineup, getting healthy. Also, the reaction to the fact that the Cowboys need to coalesce as a team cannot be cured by signing more high dollar, big-name free agents; this is part of the problem.
What we really need is depth and to see past the names on jerseys to not be afraid to pull a player for bad behavior. Perhaps the reason that the ‘softy’ coach couldn’t do it is because there has not been adequate back-ups to throw in. I know you can’t have great players everywhere, but Wade can only do so much about what he has been given, especially on the O-line.
To change the energy on the thread, I am excited to see the D come on, and am hopeful that the last half of the season was the D of a team that finally has more than a training camp of running it under it’s belt.
I am excited to see Bennett get better. (bc it annoys me to see Fassano catching TD’s)
I am excited to see our RB core for next year (and for them to get healthy)
I am excited to see the upside of RW the WR.
I am excited to see our rookie CB’s keep playing.
Here is my parting question, the thing that really irks me: what did Garrett do this year that he did not do last year? Are his schemes overly simplistic? Will someone hold him to a higher standard? ie. will he be fired if he doesn’t improve? (assuming he doesn’t take a better job)
New OC
If JG leaves then how about Chris Palmer as OC? He’s with the Giants now but was here a few years ago with the Tuna.
New OC
If it means that we run the ball more then I’m all for it.
I'm not for running the ball more...
I’m for running the ball more effectively.
by AirforceBat on Dec 29, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t hate TO and I don’t think he divides the team on purpose, but does anyone actually believe this TEAM will be better next year with him? Really?
I certainly do
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 30, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
NO!
No way Jerry wil do it, but this team is going nowhere if he’s still around.
He still thinks he’s the same receiver he was a5 years ago. That’s a problem.
I warned everyone about him-even when he was doing well, it was just because we were winning. Everyone’s happy when you’re 11-1.
But I said, wait till this team struggles, wait until we lose 3 in a row, then the real TO will come out.
And those people here who still defend him, who can’t see how he is not ALL the problem but he is the CORE of the problem, are blind, and are laughingstocks to Eagle and 49er fans.
by Realist Larry on Dec 30, 2008 12:59 AM CST up reply actions
I think we would be fine without him...
Austin needs to see the field more because, apparently he is the only one that can get seperation. So if that means giving TO his walking papers so be it. TO won’t be on this team much longer and if it only cost 680K to do it, than let’s get it done already. If not, he will cost us nealy 9 mil against the cap in 2009.
I think it costs 680k more to cut him, not only 680k to cut him.
It would cost $9,675,000 to cut him, and $8,995,000 to keep him. I just can’t see the logic in devoting 9 and a half million dollars to someone who is not on your team, especially when that someone is a talented player that practices hard and plays hard every single week.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 29, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
I can.
Because he causes $20 Mill. worth of clubhouse problems.
Cutting TO would be ‘addition by subtraction’ to the nth power and the first step to allowing Romo and Phillips to start to gain some control over this team again.
by Realist Larry on Dec 30, 2008 1:01 AM CST up reply actions
If they are true leaders, it shouldn't matter.
If TO is the leader of this team, then removing him is not going to make Romo and Phillips the leaders. If anything, it will make the players respect them less. If they are leaders, they need to take control of the team, with or without TO.
I’m reading all over this blog that the problems are alternately the offensive line, Romo, the defense, special teams, and lack of heart. So the way to solve those problems is by removing TO? One of the guys that practices and plays hard every single week? And to do that, you’ll just give up 9 million dollars of cap space?
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 30, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
If..
You cut TO you better do it quick, because the back lash from his mouth will last at least 3 months. He is going to kill Romo, Wade, Jerry, JG, and anyone else he has dirt on..
Every time we lose a game they will be playing clips of TO going off.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I see your Miles and raise you a dependable route runner in TJ Hous
Miles in the slot.. Playing similar role as Anthony Gonzalez, killing 3rd corners and backers.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
damn, sounds like a list of every post I made the last 2 years
along with some other people, and would routinely get reamed for, on the old site and here.
But NEVER in my wildest dreams did I imagine a game like that one on Sunday.
NEVER did this realist about our team, trying to bring some fans back to Earth about their team, could I have seen 44-6 coming. I walked out of the sports bar at halftime, I’m with you on that.
The good news is, in the NFL, it’s a slim difference between 11-5 and 5-11. The Dolphins are DIVISION CHAMPS! The Falcons were a joke a year ago, and are in the playoffs!
This team has the ability to be good again, but NOT if they keep the locker room cancers around.
I’m neutral on Wade Phillips, but after a season-ending effort like that you HAVE to let the HC go.
Unfortunately, JJ made all those announcements before the last game about him staying.
I wonder if Jerry wishes he had waited a week to comment on the coaching staff?
This article might be your best, Tuna
Solid work. I’ll admit to being a T.O. apologist, and think “distractions” are horribly overblown, but pretty much everything you said hit the nail on the head.
Call attention to a “distraction” enough, and it can actually be distracting.
brutal honesty
I have to say, I agree with almost everything you’ve said. I’ve been defending the Cowboys for the last 3 years, playing the part of the “optimist”. I think (and hope) that Tony Romo will eventually be a Super Bowl winning QB. He’s entertaining to watch, has a passion for the game and, most importantly, never gives up and WANTS the win. Let’s just hope that the future is still bright….
Steeler Fan here....
As much as I despise the Cowboys because of our superbowl rivalries I really felt bad for you guys’ team last Sunday. I felt at mid-season you guys were a force to be reckened with and even after my Steelers squeked by with a win over you guys (Romos fault) I still thought you guys had potential through the playoffs. It seemed like the media just caused you guys to have a rollercoaster season and it stems from T.O. and branches out to the whole team.
Heres my .02, FIRE T.O.!!!!!
And I have been saying this again and again even when he was on the Eagles. Don’t get me wrong, T.O. is great, possible one of the greatest and I believe the man would probably have 2 rings by now if it wasn’t for his attitude but the mans 35 years old and has the attitude of a high school jock trying to build his stat sheet for college by caring about nobody else but himself, and just to rub it in he screams “I love me some "Me!” Just pathetic, he is poison to any team he goes to because he thinks that “he” will bring Jerry Jones his 6th superbowl instead of helping the “team” achieve that goal.
This is the deal, when your offensive coordinator is designing plays specifically for T.O. after T.O. throws a fit about not getting enough receptions then your team is losing before the game even starts. And then you got Tony Romo worried about passing the ball to T.O. while he is in the pocket because he doesn’t want to piss him off later. It’s one of those unspoken rules that T.O. does not respect, what is said in the locker room, STAYS IN THE LOCKEROOM.
I respect J.Witten for at least taking the blame for a missed route but T.O. is just poison and you guys need to get rid of him. Talent is one thing but chemistry among the “team” instills belief and as a result, wins games. T.O. might be the probowler but I don’t care if my Steelers WR core was f****d up, I would never want him on my team.
Once again, I’m sorry for you guys’ loss to the Eagles and I hope you guys have a better season in 09.

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