Things To Build On
Okay, so I have written about all the things that sicken me when it comes to Dallas' 2008 campaign. I am not a Wade fan, not a Pac fan and definitely not a Brad Johnson fan (had to throw that in).
But in keeping with my mantra that we must have a balanced perspective in all things, I offer the following thoughts as my holiday gift to all Dallas Cowboys fans. Yes Virginia, there were things to feel very good about in 2008;
Felix Jones: it's been a while since he was on the field, but when he was getting the ball in space, the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. The word I used for him all season was 'electrifying'. It's been a long time since I saw anyone that could make 90 degree cuts at the rate of speed that he makes them. Getting him back 100% healthy next year is like getting the 1st rounder we lost in the RW2 trade.
Jason Witten: Dallas can now say, unquestionably, that they have the NFL's best and most complete Tight End. His skills notwithstanding, it was his effort, determination and grit that warmed the hearts of the fans. You only wish you had more players with his passion and commitment on the roster.
Orlando Scandrick: was there a 5th round pick anywhere in the NFL that played better than this guy? I don't know if he was the steal of the entire NFL draft or not, but he immediately upgraded our secondary play and I am a big supporter of his.
D-Ware: 20 sacks is a major accomplishment and he will get some votes for Defensive MVP (although he won't win). The most impressive thing about Ware is that he did what he was supposed to do...he got better...again. He has improved as a player every year and this year he joined the ranks of the league's most feared pass rushers. He's headed for a huge payday in 2010.
Dallas' Run Defense: once Wade took over the playcalling duties, the run defense came alive. Aside from some big runs versus Baltimore and Philly, I was really happy with the way the team was able to stack the line and stone opposing backs in key situations.
Bradie James: Oakley replacements notwithstanding, Bradie had a career year and flourished as an inside blitzer in Wade's scheme. I've always liked James and thought he was only lacking a complementary, physical ILB next to him. If Dallas can find that guy, Bradie could be a pro bowl fixture for the rest of his career. Well done sir!
High and Tight: okay, I admit it, I thought he was going to be a bust, but "Tellus" showed me the athleticism and blocking ability that could make Dallas' double-TE sets the most formidable and versatile in the league next year if he continues to develop. This guy has all the tools to be great.
Ratliff: he got dinged up late in the season, but at one point, he was the best interior lineman not named Albert Haynesworth. Many think he is better suited as a 3-4 base end because of his quickness and ability to collapse the pocket. I'm just glad he will be suited up in a Dallas jersey for years to come.
McBriar: okay, this is a stretch, but just think about what a difference he will make as he returns from injury next year. Paulescu's leg just didn't get it done and getting McBriar back will improve field position for a team that gave opponents short fields too often.
Tashard Choice: I love watching 'football players' and TC is that in spades! This was a luxury pick as Dallas didn't really need a 4th round back (well, given the injuries, I guess they really did!) as they had needs elsewhere, but I am sure glad they made this pick. I don't know what the NEW name of our 3-back system will be in 2009 with MB3, Felix and TC, but, my friends, you cannot deny that Dallas owns one nice stable of backs.
Nick Folk: people will ding him for his kickoffs, but that was a known weakness when they drafted him. Aside from that, his placekicking has been M-O-N-E-Y. this guy has solid distance and is a clutch player.
The Dallas War Room: I think this is the first time since Jimmy left that I can actually say we had a good draft. Not having a #1 next year hurts (especially with how well RW2 DIDN'T play), but if 2008's class was any indication, Dallas may have regained their form in the area of scouting and drafting. Finding gems in later rounds as they did in the 90's could revitalize this team with much needed depth!
So, as the pain of this season's failure starts to wane, I ask that you think about things to feel good about when it comes to our beloved Cowboys. Think about what we can build on for the future.
Happy New Year!
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Happy New Year!
And I for one will be glad when the calender year 2008 is gone. It was a tough year for me personally and for our team, starting with the playoff loss.
While I’m still upset about how the season ended with a whimper, I totally agree that this thing doesn’t need to be blown up altogether and the rookies and the play of Columbo were refreshing to see and give us some hope for next year. Pro wrestling and the Dallas Cowboys are still the best male soap operas out there and I’ll continue to stay tuned.
by illcowboy on Dec 30, 2008 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh...Finally you put forth some refreshing, optimistic reading material...good job, please keep it up.
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by BoyzRback on Dec 30, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bling!.....
Just some questions for you about upcoming free agency (just to continue to be positive about our outlook on the future).
What Veteran FA DT would become available to play NT and get Ratliff to DE so we can “plug up the middle” and improve our run d?
Would you replace Zach Thomas with Bart Scott?
Would you keep Kevin Burnett? (I would)
What FS would you get to replace Hamlin (or would you even get one to replace him)?
Is Roy Williams SS done? Would you keep Keith Davis at the position? (I would).
Should we get a top flight CB to replace Terrance Newman?
Would Terrell Suggs be a good replacement for Greg Ellis?
What QB out of college would you be looking to draft, or would you want a FA instead?
What would you do with Flozell?
alot of good questions for you Bling! Hope your up to it!
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by DallasPalace on Dec 30, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...okay...
1. There are no true space-eater 330-pound plus NT’s (unless you classify Haynesworth in that group) set to become Free Agents currently. Neither Grady Jackson nor Ryan Sims fit the mold. Maybe underachieving Gabe Watson from Arizona?. The question we cant answer yet is which players might become 2009 cap casualties and whether Dallas could nab one of them at a bargain price. There is only one great NT prospect in the draft (Cody from Bama) and he will be long gone when Dallas picks.
2. No way. Everyone talks about the LB’s for Baltimore. Look at how they have been able to pencil in new ones after continuous free agent departures and continue to play at a high level. That tells me the three things worth getting from Baltimore are Rex Ryan, Ed Reed and some blue crab in drawn butter. You can keep the rest.
3. Yes, but it’s a conditional yes based on what offers he might get. Channing Crowder is a Free Agent and he would make a dynamite pairing with Bradie. Plus, I would love to get a player from Miami for obvious vengeful reasons. :-)
4. Hamlin is awesome because he can play both spots. Dallas needs a playmaker behind its CB’s and although he is injury prone, all Mike Brown does is pick off passes. I also like Dawan Landry. Atogwe will stay in St. Louis. The other thing to think about is that Dallas may have its FS on the roster in the form of Anthony Henry.
5. Roy Williams (SS) is done as a Cowboy. Davis is a great player on Specials, but a liability in coverage.
6. Huh? Newman IS a top flight CB, one of the game’s 10 best. He’s going nowhere. I would like to see him really work hard in the off season and get his body ready for 2009. His propensity for injury is troubling. still, I think the trio of Newman, Scandrick and Jenkins is pretty darned good. I don’t know what happens to Pac. The real need is at Safety, which Dallas will need to address.
7. No, Anthony Spencer would be.
8. This is interesting, because I think Dallas will go after a serviceable vet to back up the suddenly fragile Romo, in addition to drafting a QB with one of their first 2 picks. Boller has starting experience, and as much as I dislike him, he might come cheap enough. As for the draft, guessing who will go when before the Combine is crazy, but I’ll do it just for kicks. How about Curtis Painter (Purdue) or Chase Holbrook (New Mexico State) as possible picks for the Boys in the 2nd or 3rd?
9. Adjust his hearing aid? Seriously, the guy is still a good LT and can return to form, BUT he needs to rededicate himself to the team after his big payday and lose weight in the offseason. He’s on the downside of his career and Dallas needs a successor. Hey, Rob Pettiti is a free agent…how about him? Just kidding.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Dec 30, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
…and some blue crab in drawn butter
…Being from Southern Maryland, I know that always gets me going!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Dec 31, 2008 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. There is a lot of good young talent, and even some good veteran talent. But until the veterans ditch the entitlement attitude, let the coaches coach, hold each other to fire behind closed doors, decide they want to be a TEAM, we can’t expect different results.
EVERY team in the NFL has some talent. EVERY team in the NFL has chemistry issues throughout the course of a season. But the TEAMS who decide the end result is more important that individual milestones and accolades are the TEAMS who can fight through the mid-season blah’s and come together when it matters to make a real run at a championship.
And it starts at the top. With an owner like the one we have who is involved in almost every aspect of this team, excuses are contagious. Jerry made them, Wade made them, and the players made them. This team is what it really is…
Now, the mission should be to put the best most energetic and enthusiastic players on the field. We saw what the young guys bring. Let them carry the burden. Let them develop into leaders. Sure beats what we have on the front lines as of today.
by Tech92 on Dec 30, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 ....Tashard Choice for instance....He's already won my vote to become an Offensive Captain.....starting or not..
I really think getting Ray Lewis-LB or Brian Dawkins-FS here somehow would make a world of difference to this Defense….THEY ARE exactly what leaders are supposed to be….odds of either coming here are very bleak……but we don’t have anyone on this team nearly as vocal or respected.
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And now Bling, let's further these Hypotheticals with....
My responses to your answers
1. Haynesworth would be too much money- we don’t need that. If we get a Spaceeater NT that can plug up the middle, it must be at a good deal. Perhaps your mere mentioning of Watson brings to light what we should be like- looking for good deals and COACHING those good deals into players- but we need good coaches for that. Watson was brought in before he was drafted, but AZ got him. Is he gonna become available?
2. Bart Scott seems to be the LB from Baltimore I like the best, but being that Zach Thomas is not the right kind of linebacker for our scheme, as well as his recent “I won’t be back” statement, then the real issue is money. Scott would only make sense if it was a good deal (and a good deal only). There are others to consider also for the position.
3. Burnett should be kept and converted into Strong Safety. If he is great against the pass, and is lightning fast, and a great tackler, then I say they should at least look into that possibility. I know one thing- he is incredibly fast, and a dynamic player. I believe he may possibly turn out to be an incredible Strong Safety, but I don’t really know. Did he play the position in college ever? He is not the largest linebacker, and he seems to be deserving of a starting position. Could my hunch here be correct? it’s too bad no one has ever mentioned this before (god forbid our coaching staff be analytical and talented).
4. Hamlin WAS awesome Bling, but he did not have a good year this year. Maybe he will bounce back with good coaching/scheme. It’s true he was injured, But if we keep him, he should either be moved to strong safety if Henry is there at FS, or moving Burnett to SS would then make Hamlin stay at FS and hope he has a better year. It’s true he was injured here at the end, but if he makes those tackles at the end of the Baltimore game, it would not matter what would have happened in Philly.
5. I also believe that Roy Williams is done at SS, but I think Keith Davis played well in his place. Now he also was injured at the end here, and made some bad plays too, but his heart was there. The biggest hit of the year was his hit on Portis (I can still envision the hit right now- fabulous!).
6. Newman is a top flight cornerback- BUT- he has not come through for us in any big game yet. Yes, he has had great games, but remember what I just said- HE HAS NOT COME THROUGH FOR US IN BIG GAMES. That catch by Jackson over Newman showed me that he may not be as top-flight as we may think he is. He had a similar big play against him in the Pittsburgh loss. Terrible, Terrible, Terrible…..
7. Anthony Spencer is the replacement for Greg Ellis, but Greg Ellis was the back-up to both, so the question is who is gonna be a back-up to both Ware and Spencer. God, I hope Spencer has a better year next year than this.
8. I am inclined to bow down to your assessment on this, but I will add this- I would have liked for us to have gotten Colt Brennan in the late rounds of this past draft. I don’t know why, but I just feel that way. He would have been better than Johnson or Boller. Instead, the Redskins have him on the bench. I hope Campbell keeps him there.
9. I think the best thing that could happen to Flozell is a good coach. We really don’t know what kind of play we can get from Flozell from a good OL coach, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that Jerry does something right about the coaching on the offensive side of the ball.
and here are more hypotheticals for you Bling, are you ready?
Would Shannahan be a good coach in Dallas?
Could he make the Cowboys a run based offense, rather than the current pass happy system Garrett runs?
Does he have alot of offensive background on his resume’? (I’m sorry, I don’t know)
Is Montrea Holland a starter at guard over Kosier?
Do you think we messed up royally when we didn’t get Shawn Rodgers or Kris Jenkins last year to play NT?
Is Kevin Burnett able to play Strong Safety, allowing us to rid ourselves of the overpriced Roy Williams, or is some other plan in the works at SS?
Is Gabe Watson a possible free agent soon? or is he in a long contract with AZ?
Who would you want to replace Zach Thomas next to Bradie James?
Is it true that Bradie James is unhappy, and stated to the media he wants out?
Are you like me and believe that Bradie James is not a pro-bowler, and is a liability against the run and the pass, and if he is unhappy, then good riddance?
Good luck Bling!
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by DallasPalace on Dec 30, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just a few remarks about a couple of these palace
4. how can you say hamlin did not have a good year? you point to the baltimore game and yes, he missed two crucial tackles and it was awful. Hamlin was terrible for two plays ill agree with you there. since when do two bad plays label someone as having a terrible season and justify them being replaced? thats some of the harshest judgement I’ve heard. show me a player that has never had two bad plays in a season please. other than those two plays hamlin was very consistent with his tackles and pass defense. I think he should be switched to SS because it is easier to find an effective FS IMO than it is to find a SS and Hamlin is good enough to play both
6. Once again you are taking one play and saying that this is the reason that a player is not good. I bet Deon got beat once, Id even be willing to bet that EVERY SINGLE cornerback to play in the nfl has been beaten by a WR. Dont point to Newmans lack of INTs because teams just dont bother throwing at him much. he effectively can shut down an opposing teams best WR with consistency and is one of the best CBs in the league. and besides every analyst that showed that play and talked about it on tv explained that it was the perfect route, the perfect pass placement, and the perfect timing. sometimes the offense does something so perfectly that there is no way to stop it.
by longhorn3621 on Dec 31, 2008 2:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully Longhorn....
I think I can have my opinion and say “I think Hamlin had a bad year”. Why? Because when we needed him the most, he came up with the big whiff. You talk about two awful plays in that Baltimore game, but you also left out the botched fumble recovery in that game that was even a bigger opportunity earlier in the game that would have been pivitol, because I think the Cowboys were up at that point. The problem isn’t that a player can’t have bad plays- that’s natural. The problem with our players is that they have these bad plays at the worst times causing us not only to lose games, but games that cost us a spot in the playoffs. Hamlin may have had an average to good year other than that, but the end is the result, and for that, yes I say that. I do agree with you that Hamlin may be more a Strong Safety Longhorn. I never felt that he was the right person for free safety (i don’t know why). If he is the so called “Leader” or “QB” of this defense, then every so often, I reserve the right to expect a “BIG” play from him, and I’m sorry Longhorn, there wasn’t many or any (in my opinion).
It’s the same amount of horsecrock that was being spread last year about “Bradie James” being the leader of our Defense, which made me ask myself the question “how can he be the leader of our defense when he doesn’t make hardly any big plays ever?”. Now, Bradie James made alot of big plays this year, but only after Wade took over the defense. That is why our core fundamental problem is coaching. I’t is true that alot of players we have should be more productive, but I don’t believe that it’s gonna change while Wade is the head coach. I would love to make Wade as defensive co-ordinator though, and make Dom Capers the linebacker coach/ Defensive coordinator in waiting, and Shannahan as head coach and make Garrett what he truly is- a QB coach.
as far as #6 (Newman), I’ll say this- it’s not like I’m saying “let’s get rid of him” or that I don’t think he’s talented or don’t want him on the team, but we have a problem on this team- and it’s called accountability. Even Terrance Newman himself talked to the media about how this team has no accountability. Even Terrance Newman should not feel comfortable about his job (and that is the way Shannahan should approach every player regardless of who that player is) and I say Shannahan only because he is the coach I hope we get to replace Wade. A new coach that is tough will make these players be accountable- by threatening them with they’re jobs (I’m sorry longhorn, but that is what I feel reality should be for these players to “get it”) because if they are playing for they’re jobs, they will play differently then they have, and probably up to the potential we expect them to have that they have not shown us yet. The Giants and Eagles DESERVE to see that potential for sure. They haven’t seen anything yet, and hope we just go away.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 31, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree that Hamlin and Newman had less than stellar years this season...
and i would be right on the money…..Are either going anywhere after cashing in huge checks ??….no….but if they follow up this season with the same lackluster play next year…It would only confirm my thoughts that neither deserved the contracts they got……..
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newman's season wasn't that bad
He just struggled with injury
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so that's an excuse ?...not being able to play was a detriment to the teams overall success
having an injured, then rusty player on the field doesn’t do anyone any good…got smoked against Washington, Philly, and a few others…. tossed in a few great coverage games…doesn’t get a passing grade from me…..
I said after last season, they should not be commiting long term large dollar contracts to injure prone players……They could have let him play this season out, then franchised or resigned him this upcoming year, if they felt he was still worthy and productive…I want TNew here, but if he is going to continue to miss 4+ games a year, he’s just not worth it. We now know what we have with Jenkins and Scandrick, and to a lesser extent Pacman, so we are all set for now at CB….Moving Henry to FS or trading/releasing him would be my next move, as he has only a year left on the contract and is surely not worthy of extending..
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, Newman has not had a career pagued by injury
And the only reason he missed so much time this year was that he was misdiagnosed by our training staff
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 1, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how bout the year before ?..
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My opinions are as good or bad as anyone else's, but here goes...
Shanahan would be a great coach in Dallas if he was not given the kind of power that he had in Denver. I haven’t seen a team give a Head Coach all of that decision making power and then go on to win anything of consequence.
He would struggle if he tried to make this a zone blocking team, because otside of Kosier, we don’t have those type of linemen. Shanahan is a great play caller with a lot of offensive smarts, a tough minded coach and an excellent tactician.
No, Kosier’s job is not in jeopardy, especially since he is probably the smartest of our linemen and that isn’t saying much.
I’ve said all along that the most important position in the 3-4 is the nose and Dallas doesn’t have a true Nose Tackle. What Jamal Williams does for SD is tie up 2 blockers on EVERY play and still can’t be moved. He even busts those double teams to make plays in the backfield. What that does for their LB’s Wilhelm, Cooper, Merriman and Phillips is immeasurable. Hampton does the same thing for the Steelers. Wilfork for the Pats. Ratliff is a high-effort guy, but he’s just 20-30 pounds too light to fill that role. I always liked Rogers, but thought Jenkins was too injury prone. Watson is a big guy who is a free agent this year. AZ has Alan Branch and doesn’t need Watson.
No, Burnett is a LB and not a safety. and yes, he can replace Zach Thomas. If not now for Burnett, then never.
I think Bradie doesn’t want to be yelled at the way Tuna did. He likes Wade’s style because he comes to practice and play hard every week. So, he’s concerned by Wade’s comments. That’s all it is.
Let me be clear: I like Brady James. I think he had his best year as a Cowboy. He’s not the most athletically gifted player out there, but he is heady and comes to play, and those kinds of guys can eat at my table any day of the week. On the other hand, Marcus Spears and Bobby Carpenter can’t be sent packing fast enough for me.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Dec 31, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This just reminds me of a season
that could have been, without all those injuries. Hopefully the result down the road is we found some young talent we didn’t know we had as a result of injuries forcing the Boys hand in playing back-ups. (I don’t think we’d have a clue as to Choices’ abilities if Felix and Marion hadn’t been injured).
by Benthere on Dec 31, 2008 12:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also think the plan
was to limit Scandrick and Jenkins, with Newman, Henry, and Pacrat out there most of the time. But with injuries and some ineffectiveness, the kids were forced to play and we found out they could.
by illcowboy on Dec 31, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scandrick and Jenkins played well enough that the Cowboys can show Pac the door
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by Seanrude on Dec 31, 2008 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But why would you want to give up the great depth weve established?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 7:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again...a foolish thought....get rid of an excellent athlete and playmaker that cost next to nothing ????
For what ….cuz you don’t like his resume’ ? Pacman, barring anymore mishaps, is a welcomed addition here, plays and practices as hard as anyone on the team, is not a distraction in the locker room, and won’t be going anywhere….I believe with a full off season, OTA’s, and training camp, It will be Pacman in the starting role next season opposite Newman, with Scandrick in the slot……Jenkins is actually our best solution at FS, but i doubt that will happen…
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
we dont need to get rid of Pac. He was our most reliable CB last year when Tnew was hurt and hes not costing us anything. Everyone went ballistic over his two “bonehead” plays in the eagles game…
first his late hit penalty was a load of BS, watch the replay, he threw the WR to the ground about a yard or two before he was out of bounds. IDK why aikman or buck didnt say anything but im guessing it was because they werent watching the replay in the booth, they were probably looking at each other and rolling their eyes or making out idk?
Second his fumble was a mistake but honestly the game was getting out of hand so he tried to step up and make a play. no one else was trying so why crucify him when he tries? It was a great defensive play.
Pac also showed us in the phill game that he can be an effective returner. He still hasnt played that much since his suspension and he just needs to get back in the flow
by longhorn3621 on Dec 31, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The key phrase in your post being "barring any more mishaps"
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by Seanrude on Dec 31, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is true
but im convinced that Pac has gotten things straightened out.
his suspension this year was BS
Pac was suspended for violating the terms of his parole, his parole officer said that Pac did not violate the terms of his parole. something about this situation doesnt add up…
by longhorn3621 on Dec 31, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know Boyz, I was.....
Thinking that too. I thought I read an article at the beginning of the year, just shortly after the draft, that alot of people thought that Mike Jenkins abilities were alot like Brian Dawkins. Can he be the free safety that we’ve been looking for? If he is, then that pick would have been superb. I think he may be. You may be on to something here…..
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by DallasPalace on Dec 31, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what people don't understand or know...Mike Jenkins was a High School All American Safety
who was recruited as a Safety, but was eventually moved over to CB because the need of CB, plus his speed and physical play was better utilized in the man vs man scheme used at USF…..I have no doubt in my mind Jenkins would make a superior FS in the NFL, in the mold of Reed, Atogwe, Landry……There is no sense in keeping him on the sidelines while we’re in our base D…The dude has 4.35 speed, good hands, and a nose for the ball…He isn’t exactly the CB you wanna see when a Brandon Jacobs is coming around the corner, as we’ve seen he isn’t always prepared to take on the challenge to tackle RB’s…..BUT lining him up 15-20 yards from the line in center field, is EXACTLY where he would excel….he IS a great tackler when coming from an angle against WR’s about the same size, so take away his most glaring weakness, by getting him away from the line of scrimmage…makes sense no ?? …He is far more superior athlete than Henry, and definately has the insticts, quickness, and playmaking abilities to our own Ed Reed…I said pre draft he wasn’t suited to play CB in our system, and i still contend that. I DO believe he would make a great FS in system………Now if anyone would only listen to me…You HEAR me Jerry ??
I believe our secondary is at it’s best with Pacman and Newman as outside starters, Scandrick in the slot, Hamlin more towards the line at SS, and Jenkins playing cnterfield FS……..
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Mike Jenkins was a High School All American Safety"
Nice bit of information to know
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 1, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know about Mike Jenkins Boyz....
But I didn’t know Jenkins was an all-american HS safety. I know about Jenkins because I grew up in the Tampa area, although I live in NY now, I always go back home to visit my mother, and I knew about Jenkins being from USF. The player I wanted us to get and make a Strong Safety (from this past draft) was that kid from Iowa, Charles Godfrey (but Carolina got him) and that is exactly what they did with him- they made him a safety. I watched Godfrey play in the NFL for the first time when the Giants played the Panthers, and I was impressed with him. He would have been a great pick for us in the 2nd rd, but we picked Martellus Bennett instead. I don’t know if Godfrey was already gone when we picked Martellus, but it was a waste to trade Fasano then Draft Martellus in a way. We could have used that pick on a safety instead. It looked like he played pretty good too against the Giants (being a rookie).
He was a CB in college that was 6’1 225- someone who I thoght could grow into a SS and have great coverage skills and a good tackler with excellent speed.
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by DallasPalace on Jan 1, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there with you guy....as Charles Godfrey- was my pre draft mock pick at #61
With the full intention to slot him in the Safety position….Godfrey was selected 6 picks later in top of round 2….I placed a higher priority on filling the Safety position, but I can not knock Jerry-GM for selecting Martellus Bennett….He was my #1 rated TE, and I never did care much for the Fasano pick to begin with. I was tracking Iowa’s Godfrey all ‘07 season, and had comments on him long before his Senior Bowl showing, where he wowed the scouts, and his draft stock rose….He will be rock solid in Carolina for the next ten years…Unfortunately, for the 3rd year running, we’ll need to once again address the lack of Safety depth on this team. I’m sure I’ll be writing all about future prospects once all the underclassmen declare….This years Safety crop (pending underclassmen additions) is actually pretty stacked, and there will be a pretty good Safety waiting on us at pick #48-#52, or our pick in round 3………stay tuned..
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw...here's one of my pre draft comments for round #2 selection....
The most intriging is Charles Godfrey, played strong and free safety, before switching to CB…This is a safety that can cover like corner, and tackle like a strong safety, very versatile, can cover the slot, can play nickle LB, can come in for Roy on passing downs…etc….He had a great post season at Senior Bowl, and at the combine..I know the Boys are interested in him..as are many teams………….He’d be my choice IF we can’t obtain Tyrell Johnson..
True Cowboys diehard since 1975. by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Boyz...
The Cowboys did bring in Godfrey before the draft and look at him. He was kind of unique for his size at CB. That is the kind of player you can convert to a SS or FS, but Jenkins can only be changed to a FS not SS (although he may already be a FS playing out of position at CB).
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by DallasPalace on Jan 1, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Jenkins....as he is also a CB I had projected to be a good conversion to FS in the NFL..or CB better suited for a Tampa 2 style scheme
along with afore mentioned Godfrey, Aqib Talib, Brandon Flowers, Terrell Thomas, Reggie Smith, Patrick Lee, and Jack Iwegoanu…
I’m knocking the skills of Jenkins, and he was a steal at pick #25, I just think he’s be more effective on the field, in our base D as our starting FS…..We should have Newman and Pacman Jones as our outside starting CB’s next season(release or move Henry), with Scandrick being the best slot CB on the team…I don’t want to change that, and I don’t want to have Jenkins rotting on the bench half the game, coming in only on deep nickle/dime packages…I believe in putting your best athletes on the field, at all times…FS nowadays is nothing more than a bigger, physical, glorified CB, that needs to have the speed to cover speedy TE’s, slotted RB’s, and 3rd-4th slot WR’s, or deep zone…….Usually 10-15+ yards off the line, and ability to go east/west/south in a hurry, and have ball hawking skills when he gets there….good enough to come up and fill a running lane, and be a sure tackler……………We don’t have that on our back line right now, as Hamlin is a SS, and an average one at best…… not since Darren Woodson have we have a Safety that fits the true mold of what a Safety should be….a converted LB for pete’s sake…Like I said, it may never happen with Jenkins……but it damn well would if i was running the show…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacman should go
And take the other bad character guys with him like Tank and TO; football is a team game and chemistry is important; Jones imported bad character guys and the team develops a split lockerroom; surprise. Cut bad character guys; cut old guys; cut marginal players . . . make sure our nine picks plus compensatory all can play special teams. Send a message that we are not tolerating sloppy football.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 3, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The bad character players performed sloppy football ???
You have never heard a thing coming out of the locker room concerning Pacman or Tank…..In fact…those two have always been described as great locker room players….so what is problem with these guys ? …they have had scrapes with the law ? owning guns makes a guy a bad character ? they shouldn’t be aloud to earn a living now ?
You guys and this team chemistry garbage….it’s the friggin media people…..don’t believe the hype..starting to think the commentors on such things like team chemistry never played a team sport in their lives…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 3, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not the locker
Did you forget Pac hurt the team by getting suspended for 6 games last year? That is nearly half of the season. A rusty player missing 6 games doesn’t hurt the chemistry?
Tank had more negative plays then positive plays. we are not going to welcome back a guy who is screaming I am out of here and making negative plays back next year..
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by Wmillion on Jan 3, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pac should be back next year
Great talent, minimum salary. Whats not to like?
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by aussie_cowboy on Jan 3, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact
That we are depending on a guy a traffic ticket a way from being out of the NFL. I think the team needs to move on and develop a guy when can depend on. More time developing Alan Ball.
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by Wmillion on Jan 4, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Until he gets a traffic ticket, he's our second best CB......Ball is our 6th CB....
Newman hurt this team this past season far more than Pacman this past season….Newman is a tweaked groin from missing 4-6 games as well..I’m not buying the get rid of Pacman crapola cuz you don’t like his media clippings or exposure….IF he screws up..Jenkins gets his starting spot, and Ball moves up to 4th-5th CB
…what’s the problem here ??
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by BoyzRback on Jan 4, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My vote is to cut Pac
You like him that is fine.
Players I want to look at to replace Pac-
Dunta Robinson
Oshiomogho Atogwe
Jabari Greer
Kelvin Hayden
Bryant McFadden
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by Wmillion on Jan 4, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scandrick is our 2nd best CB
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins and Scandrick
will be battling this off-season. CB is position of excitement for this team. Who will step up and be the player that creates turnovers in the secondary?
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by Wmillion on Jan 4, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CB is a position of excitement because of the talent we have there
And Pac is part of that talent
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 4, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am talking about
the young guys scandrick and Jenkins..
I think could be special, but he is obviously missing something between the ears.
Learned long ago to never depend on someone who is not dependable. You can only be mad at yourself.
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by Wmillion on Jan 4, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The FS...who is ________?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 4, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tank is not coming back anyhow..was using his past as an example...
you talk of his plays, but he was not a distraction in the locker room…neither was Pacman…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 4, 2009 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5blings
Thanks for not panicking like everyone else. There are a lot of solid builing blocks here. Just gotta have more balance on offense. And generate more turnovers on defense.
And as far as a name for the backs…Bash, Dash and Tash?
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 31, 2008 7:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice...the "ash" boys.....Bash, Dash, and Tash.......classic..
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter if Newman is a top 10 CB
He called Witten a coward snitching on TO’s craziness. No matter how good he is, that makes him a cancer for team chemistry.
by JimmyJohnson on Dec 31, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do you spend lots of time in the locker room?
or what cowboy called you and told you that they got bad vibes from TNew. Sorry you just can’t start throwing around the label of someone being a cancer for the locker room.
Actually, you comment just proved that you’re a cancer of this blog. It doesnt matter what you say now, youre a cancer.
Is that a fair judgement system?
by longhorn3621 on Dec 31, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When he calls Witten a coward who ruined the season
he becomes a cancer. I don’t see TNew rushing to the press to public take that statement back and apologize to his teammate (who, btw, is a far superior athlete). That makes him a cancer. The rest of what you said was just silly.
How is calling your teammate a coward ok?
by JimmyJohnson on Dec 31, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who does ??...Witten or Newman ???
IF Witten WAS the actual guy who was the unknown “source” (which i don’t think was proven) and spoke out against the team to the media…….then he IS a cancer for the team chemistry…..NOT the guy calling “him” a coward !!!!
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 4, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is far from certain
that Newman called out Witten; Newman called out the alleged “mole.” He did not mention Witten. Crayton is more likely a bad actor in all this drama, and TO of course.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 3, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Witten...probably my favorite Cowboy right now...BUT...You NEVER EVER call out a team mamte or air out (closed doors) dirty laundry to the press...
That gets you black balled from the entire league….I hope it wasn’t Witten who was the “source” for Ed Turder, but if he was, he better shut the F up and just play….
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 10:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Calling out your whining teammates
who accuse you of an insane conspiracy to keep the ball out of their hands is not “speaking out against the team”. Just the fact that anybody would be upset over being called out for their selfishness shows how screwed up this team is.
As I said in another thread, watch America’s Game about the 1992 Superbowl team. Michael Irvin kept a list of every player who was selfish or lazy during the 1988 season. Once he heard that JJ was hired, he called him and ratted out all those players and Jimmy cut every one of them. That didn’t make him a snitch or a coward. It made him a player concerned with his team.
by JimmyJohnson on Dec 31, 2008 10:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But you dont even know if Witten was the snitch
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't that what TNew did
by calling him a coward publicly to the press?
There is no code of silence that prevents Witten from complaining about insane, whining teammates. C’mon. TO was accusing him of drawing up secret plays to keep the ball out of his hands. Maybe if TO worked a little harder at beating press coverage and a little less at coming up with conspiracy theories, we’d be in the playoffs now. Teammates should be down on TO for being lazy and selfish rather than on Witten for calling him out.
by JimmyJohnson on Dec 31, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So how much time have you spent in the locker room lately?
And people can call TO alot of things but lazy definately isnt one of them. He works and trains harder than any other cowboy.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's natural...
to see all of us arguing over who’s to blame for poor play, motivation, mistakes, etc. etc.
But our coach is responsible for all that. He has lost control of the team to allow this to happen, and if Jerry Jones doesn’t see this, then he is a fool. He must act. Now, I truly believe that it isn’t Wade’s fault because he has been Head coach with one hand tied behind his back, but it still is the inevitable outcome. I hope we keep Wade as defensive Co-ordinator, get Dom Capers to be what Brian Stewart is (defensive co-ordinator in waiting) and make Shannahan head coach. Then none of this petty bickering and crap about “secret plays being drawn up in some dark hidden room” or any “He said she said” and fingerpointing crap will go on anymore. Coaching is the Dallas Cowboys problem- believe it.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 31, 2008 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
HOLD IT
This thread is about things to be happy about for the 2009 season!
It is NOT a “who ratted the team out?” thread.
How about each of you list what you were most happy with in 2008 from the team or front office?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Dec 31, 2008 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol....Bling....mister "strir the feathers himself".....lmao...too funny man...is this an imposter ??
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Where’s the love?
I am trying to be positive in light of all this negativity.
Trust me, once everyone gets back on the ‘Super Bowl or Bust’ bandwagon, I’ll be there to bring a dose of reality to those who need it.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Dec 31, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The more I hear, the more I know that....
We are doomed to failure if our coaching continues to allow this. Our coaches must change to gain control of the players or the same dysfunctional offense will take the field next year.
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by DallasPalace on Dec 31, 2008 11:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ps...I did like your thoughts of aquiring a low cost NT alternative in Gabe Watson...
he is a restricted free agent though, doubt they’d place a large tender on him, but he would be the perfect “fat azz” to post up in the middle on obvious rushing downs…i just can’t see giving up a draft pick for him….i hadn’t had a chance to see much of him since he came into the league, but i did read plenty of reports of poor work ethic, and laziness, and they also drafted a NT the following year so who knows how much they value him, or how effective he’d be here….but if he is released or not tendered, he would be a low cost target to bring in for a look. ….
What i liked about the 2008 season ??…hmm….
1) Felix Jones is going to be everything i thought he was going to be..
2) T Choice was an excellent pick up in round 4, as I was a proponent of drafting 2 RBs.
3) Scandrick was even a better pick up in Rd 5..and has locked up the slot CB spot.
4) D Ware keeps progressing and came through with the 20 sacks i predicted.
5) Spears has won me over enough to actually think he should be here long term.
6) Canty, Johnson, Thomas, Spencer, Ellis, and Hamlin all fell short of my expectations.
7) Burnett showed me enough to think he should start and be resigned.
8) The Barbie Carpenter fiasco should be over real soon.
9) Tony Romo needs to rededicate himself to getting better and working harder.
10) I’m still holding on hope that Stanback has a bright future here in Dallas.
11) Marc Columbo was our best O Lineman this year, and I love his toughness.
12) Flozell Adams is only as good as the guy next to him.
13) MBIII should be very concerned about being trade bait in the near future.
13) Patrick Crayton should be thinking the same thing.
14) IF we don’t attempt to sign FA left OG Mike Goff of San Diego, we missed the boat.
15) Roy Williams-WR did look a little too disinterested out there at times..
16) Jason Garrett was fully exposed this season. no creativity whatsoever..please go !!
17) Wade did lose control of this team, and I’m no longer a supporter of his. BUT
18) We NEED depth ILB/OLB, OL, DL,QB and Safety…………..CB’s,RB’s,WR’s,TE’s all set
19) Jerry needs to admit mistakes were made…and change..like he said on his show…
20) Not as talented as we thought they were…Witten,Ware,Ratliff only Pro Bowl players
YES we should be going into next season as the Super Bowl favorites..
ok…that’s enough..
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by BoyzRback on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watson was more of an example...
There are other fat guys out there, just no stars.
My thoughts;
5. really?
6. Spencer needs to play every down
7. yep
10. seriously? I think he’ll get cut in camp or get an injury settlement
11. Not Procter? :-)
13. step away from the Jack Daniels bottle, my friend
14. I live in SD and goff is the least talented of their linemen, besides why do we need another OG?
20. I dont let the pro bowl determine how talented I think we are…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Dec 31, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I would love to see what a Gabe Watson can do.. He was a force at UM, maybe he will pull a Shaun Rogers, he can take Tank’s spot. 6’3 332 pounds, I like it..
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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lazy
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Dec 31, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly a Shaun Rogers type..
Not sure Wade if is the coach to motivate him..
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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way were going to trade Barber
Dont you remember all the injuries this year? Running back depth is going to be one of this team’s greatest strengths next year, why try to dismantle that?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was not a proponent of signing MBIII long term as it is...and your right...his price tag made him hard to move..
But don’t think for a minute i wouldn’t go into next season with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice, and either draft a mid-late rounder or sign a vet FA for 3rd RB depth…..
We had a chance to move him in during last years draft for at least a 1st round pick+….I understand we didn’t quite realize we’d end up stealing Jones and Choice…it is what it is…You all could blame it on the OL, but 3.8 ypc doesn’t impress me one bit…We got him, and i’ll root for him, but that doesn’t mean it’s our best case scenario.,..
I think Jones and Choice are better than MBIII RIGHT NOW….so don’t get all caught up in the hype and you tube garbage….Like Jimmy Johnson always said, RB’s are expendable, and you ride ‘em out till they don’t gallop so well anymore…then bring in a new horse…MBIII is the slowest to the hole, slowest to develope a play, and has the worst ball security of the bunch…..Would i miss him and his 7 million dollar contract ????…not one bit….give me a determined Choice, and an electrifying Jones anyday……add one of these pending free agents Rudi Johnson, Maurice Morris, JJ Arrinton, Lamont Jordan, Kevin Jones, Dominic Rhodes, Cornell Buckhalter, or Jesse Chapman, and I think we’d be all set at the RB position………Sure I love MBIII, and if salary cap and other team needs weren’t a problem….I’d love to keep him around, he has great intangibles, and is a spark plug when he gets in a grove…..but i’d sure rather spend his 7 million dollar cap hit on a LB like Suggs, Lewis, or Dansbury, an OLineman like Jordan Gross or Mike Goff. or a DLineman like Haynesworth or Peppers………that’s all.
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by BoyzRback on Jan 1, 2009 12:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's obvious
We can win without Marion, but it would cost to much to move him.. Same with a lot of other guys we might want to move..
The core of this team will be back..There will be a couple of spots up for grabs, but that is it..
O-line, 5 WR, Safety, ILB, and maybe DT/DE
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by Wmillion on Jan 1, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
I think Marion is a huge asset, but he needs to be used properly. He should not start, Felix should. Barber’s blocking, soft hands and strong inside running are the perfect combination of skills to close out a game…but Marion needs to be fresh!!!
Two back schemes were all the rage until this year when teams found out you need THREE backs because of the propensity to miss time due to injury.
I like our 3 very much.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he wasn't assest
I said we can win without him.. Mute agrument Marion isn’t gong anywhere..
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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think our 3
Could be a dominate trio if used right next year.
As bad as we played we would have won the NFC west and AFC west!!
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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have to fix the front 3
Ratliff flanked by Canty and Spears is not the answer.
Rat needs to move to end. But to do that, we need a big fat tub of goo to clog the middle. I was a fan of the Roy Williams trade, but now I think it might have been smarter to use that pick on Terrence Cody.
On a separate topic, I was thinking about Antonio Romo, the so-called future of this franchise and something funny happened as I was sitting on my couch stewing over the fact that USC could probably have beaten Dallas in its final game.
I was reading an L.A. Times article about how Peyton Manning spends the whole off season throwing to his wideouts and TE’s. It said they practice the routes and timing so much that it becomes so precise that it is more exacting than some medical procedures. During camps and practice when the defense is on the field doing drills, Manning takes his group to a separate field to work on the routes AGAIN.
Imagine how comforting it would be if Romo would do that with T.O., Roy, Tellus and maybe most importantly, Austin. But they don’t. I’ve been to the camps in Thousand Oaks and Romo just yips and yaps on the sideline. I believe in “enjoying the journey” as Romo keeps saying, but I’m also ready for him to become a professional, and most of all, a leader.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
whoa, terry is going to call you out in 3...2...1....
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by Seanrude on Jan 2, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is...
WHAT is he going to call me?
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that Romo never had a camp in Thousand Oaks for one
and the fact Romo and his receivers throw all the time in the off season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 2, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant Oxnard
I stay with friends in TO.
Great topic-based response to the post, though. Keep up the great work.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
On the point that Romo and WR’s need to take a couple of weeks this off-season before Mini-camp and OTA’s and work on pure timing. Developing a tree, so they have same read when they see certain coverages..
Some of Arizona’s best formations feature Boldin in the slot on the same side as Fitz.. Makes it tough to double both on the same side.. If you do, you have Austin one on one on the backside.
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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY
I love that formation!
Genrally, teams double Boldin and Fitz is the beneficiary, but who cares? They move the ball in chunks!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 2, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
However We Don't Have A Receiver
That can sniff Fitzgerald or Boldin’s jocks. (except Witten but he is a TE) TO is old and afraid of contact and he drops too many; Roy just plain looked like pure dog poo, particularly in the Philly game; Crayton is a loud mouth that cost us the Giants game and he is slow; Austin might have hope but he is an undrafted, without great moves, project but does have some speed. Our WR group is like our team; overpaid, overhyped, and underachieving.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 3, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
TO is still a great receiver, and so is RW. If you had seen his Detroit games you would know that but you’re obviously basing your observation on the time he has spent in Dallas, in which he was either injured or had BJ throwing to him. And Crayton is a very good slot receiver
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 3, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Watch the game.
They just need touches and Garrett didn’t put them in position to make plays.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have to run the routes though
and their route running was very sloppy, especially T.O. and RW.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difficult part about this (now sit down when you read this Terry)...
is that I think the WR’s lost faith in Romo and Garrett after the meeting they had yielded no change in the playcalling/execution.
Even when they were open, Romo was looking elsewhere…I know…he was getting blitzed. But other QB’s find the open guy when under duress, and it’s not unrealistic to expectTony has to do that now.
T.O. has never been a superior route runner, and I don’t know if RW11 has been able to raise his level of urgency or not, but it just seems they didn’t think their QB could/would deliver the ball.
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 4, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know they were open?
do you have coaches tape? Of course every wr thinks they’re open but that doesn’t mean they necessarily are.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
enough nonsense...ok Terry...
How do you know the WR are not running proper routes ??…you got game tape….geeez…for once..face the fact that Romo took a step back this past season…i did…and like you, i was one of his biggest supporters..
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by BoyzRback on Jan 4, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brown
who actually played in the NFL, SB MVP and has access to coaches film says so. Good enough?
Of course Romo took a step back because the rest of the offense did, he can’t operate the offense all by himself.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brown?
The same Larry Brown who stole Al Davis’ money for years after capitalizing off of his gift INT’s from Neil O’Donnell?
That Larry Brown? Oh yeah, I trust his word like the gospel.
Terry, my TiVo works fine and Jaws even pointed out how Romo was floating balls and missing open pass catchers.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo took a step back because of
a) himself
b) the rest of the offense (injuries included)
c) Jason Garrett
d) playing Pittsburgh, NYG, Baltimore, and Philly in succession
e) maybe the pinky never quite got right
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 5, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all fixable next season.
Romo is competitor, we will be a better team next year.
A-Wade Another year with the D
B-Jason G. another off-season of film study
C-Romo another helping of humble pie and film Study..
We will be hungry next year.
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by Wmillion on Jan 5, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too.
Hard to just go home and chill after getting embarassed like that to end the season.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure...
We should have used the sour taste from last year’s playoff debacle to fuel this year’s preparation and play. We didn’t.
What evidence is there to suggest that this off season will be any different?
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Ratliff playin NT is a waste. Why? Of course he can get the job done, not only admirably but above average to excellent. But is he a NT? No! He is not a NT for the 3-4 (repeat, HE IS NOT A NT FOR THE 3-4). Alot of people being comfortable with what works good doesn’t mean we can’t critique it and ask questions about it.
It’s the same question as this Bling- I stated in other posts (and you possibly read it) that drafting Martellus Bennett was a waste for us in the second round. I actually back around draft time was advocating trading down from one of the 1st round pick and picking up a 2nd and a 3rd rounder, and getting Charles Godfrey to play SS. Our 3rd rd pick should have been an OL or OG, but they figured differently, with the thinking that “we don’t need many players, less picks, but go after quality” and thus they stayed in they’re position and picked what they picked.
Some of us knew going into the season that we actually needed a “space-eater” big NT, and SS/FS and OL, but that was not adressed in the early rounds. Now I’m not saying I’m not happy with our draft- I am. But did we draft according to our biggest needs? My answer is no. our 3 biggest needs (SS/FS, Big NT, and OL) are still there. We had to know that it would come bak to bite us sooner or later.
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by DallasPalace on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's hindsight guy....doesn't wash here....Here's the deal...
If you traded “down” one of our 2 first rounders….we would now be without Felix Jones and/or Mike Jenkins or both….Our two priority need positions going into last years draft were most definately RB & CB…………………..not Safety, not NT, not OL……they were also to be addressed, along with a speedy slot WR type…..but you have to go with what went down…..we traded away Fasano prior to the draft, so you must of known the TE was now a higher priority as well, maybe not 2nd round worthy, but you must realize quite a few TE’s, as well as WR’s were being snatched up in round 2, which forced Jerry’s hand a bit……quality TE depth went only as far as the mid 3rd round last year….period…and we landed what many scouts believed was the best #1 rated overall TE in the draft, so I surely can’t bitch about it….OK….so if we grabbed Charles Godfrey -DB instead of Bennett-TE, you would’ve been happy, I assume…ok…BUT Roy Williams & Ken Hamlin were going to start and more likely play the majority of all snaps this past season anyways, with a possible appearance by the rookie in dime packages, if he showed enough in camp…which of course is hindsight thinking he would beat out vets Brown & Watkins to even sniff the field…So your priority 2nd round pick Godfrey would have been relegated to playing special teams…..not exactly what we want from a first day draft pick….Who will ever know what we could have gotten for say our #28 pick, and who knows what we would have taken with that compensation…I will tell you there wasn’t much for OL depth after round 2 that would have made any impact at all this past season, or for several seasons down the road….Last years OL depth was all sucked up in round 1………and you know how badly we’ve done in previous drafts with O linemen drafted after round 2………There were a few large bodies out there that projected to 3-4 NT….Bryant, Rubin, a few others….all went in round 4 or later, so we could have taken your much needed NT depth, yet we would’ve probably missed out on Choice and Scandrick ???….well, I’ll tell you right now, None of last years NT prospects were rated higher than Choice or Scandrick…In fact, we still had a chance to grab a big NT in round 6, but Jerry went with this chump named Walden….who we all know didn’t even make the roster, although LB depth was a problem..Safeties were all gone by the end of round 3……So we go into this years draft looking for depth at NT, OL, LB, and Safety again…..no big deal….cuz we are no longer looking for RB, TE, CB, or WR…….Contrary to your beliefs we should have gone another route last year with our picks…I firmly believe this past years draft was by far one of the best ever in Jerry Jones’ tenure here in Dallas….
This years draft class should be very good for teams looking for OL, Safety, LB, and QB depth in the first three rounds (exactly what we need)..so take it easy…..not one OL, S, or NT from last years draft would have even started here….so don’t hate on the results….I have a feeling Jerry won’t stand pat waiting around for the #48-#51 pick if a top rated player starts falling into the 20’s, and will actually trade our 2010 1st rounder, and several later round picks to get up into the late 1st round this year……just a hunch….2010 1st rounder, ’09 3rd, ’09 4th, ’09 6th for a pick between 20-30……stay tuned…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you, in fact...
I’m very happy with our draft picks- I wouldn’t trade any of them away for anything. All I was saying is that at the time I believed we should have traded one of the first round picks, picked up an extra second rd and 3rd instead of making a pick in the first. That may or may not have netted us Charles Godfrey to convert to SS rather than make an exta first rd pick. We still would have picked Felix Jones, it’s the Jenkins pick that I’m talking about. Now i like Jenkins, and are very happy we got him, but what if we taded down with that pick Boyz? We still would have picked up Martellus Bennett with the existing second rd pick, and we would have possibly gotten an extra 3rd rd pick if Jerry was able to do his wheeling and dealing. Instead of thinking “let’s make the pick”, we possibly should have been thinking of picking up more picks in the 2nd and 3rd round of that draft. It seems like in that range were alot of players that were the best value in that draft. I know it’s all hindsight, but again Boyz, it’s not like these weaknesses were not known before the draft, and if they screw up again and not pick any players in these specific positions, than all the awesome draft picks you make mean nothing, because you would be weak in critical areas of the team. I myself personally do not want Roy Williams back, do not have a good feeling about Pat Watkins being anything but a special teams player ( and a very reckless one at that), Keith Davis being the most admirable player at the position, but misused if he has to play safety all the time, and Ken Hamlin as Soft and Sloppy. Hamlin can change with a good coach I believe, and Davis can get better at safety, but I don’t want Davis full time at safety. He is our backup SS and special teams star. Right now, If Godfrey had a year under his belt at SS, I would feel better about the position going into next year. We have to find this years “Charles Godfrey” in the draft and make it a priority. How many years in a row since Woodsons retirement are we gonna go into a draft KNOWING we need a top of the line prospect at safety, and come out with nothing?
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by DallasPalace on Jan 3, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...I'm in agreement that last years draft was very talented, value wise, in the second round...
If you were on this prior to the draft, I had rattled off all sorts of trade scenarios that could’ve netted us great picks early in the second, like trading our #28 and #61 for say two of Atlanta’s 3 2nd rounders……which still could have landed us a decent CB in Tracy Porter or Brandon Flowers, and SS Tyrell Johnson or WR Desean Jackson….or some other situation…..BUT……getting Jenkins at #25, according to most scouts, was a great deal for a player ranked top 10-20 coming into the draft….I personally had my reservations about the guy, cuz i had seen him play live a few times, and came away uninspired……so like i said, i’m not sweating it, cuz we needed a CB, and he does have talent…….I think Jerry did an excellent job after round 2 wheelin and dealing for future picks…He recouped the picks needed to move up to get Jenkins in the first place, and left us pretty stocked for this year as well and hit big with Choice and Scandrick…. I did not like his 6th round pick, as there was still quite a few players left that I think would have helped us, and made the roster….But you have to realize not all picks are going to make our roster each year with such a young, loaded roster….Keep that in mind this year with the nine + picks we have as of now….I fully expect Jerry to take alot of those later picks (4th, 5th, 6th, 7th) to bundle into higher picks, which of course brings quality instead of quantity…….IF we make it out of this draft with a OL, S, LB, QB, DL ….we’ll be well off…..so that’s only 5 players….well…highly doubtful any player drafted beyond the 5th round would even make our team, so we either package them to move up, or we trade them away for picks at higher rounds in the following draft(no sense of drafting late round flyers with no chance of making it, unless we lose alot of FA’s, and some talent slips, otherwise we’re just drafting talent for other teams to pick up free)…
.I’m thinking our compensary picks will be JJones(4th) and Reeves(5th) to go with the 1-3rd, 2-4th, 2-5th. 1-6th, and 2-7th we already have…..That’s a good stockpile…and excellent bargaining chips…Seeing that we are a young team with our core locked up for several years, we can afford to mortgage a little of the future…With that, I’m talking about our 2010 1st round pick…We NEED to trade that pick to regain a 1st round pick in THIS years draft, which is loaded with exactly the players we NEED within the first 100 picks or so…..THIS draft is FAR superior than NEXT years draft…..believe me..I’ve done the homework…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 4, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but...
There wasn’t a “space eater” available, unless you wanted to take a chance on guys like Kris Jenkins and Shaun Rogers. There were no Haloti Ngata-type players in the draft. And, as I said, there is only one in the upcoming draft.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 4, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...funny you should say that....because TWICE i posted fanshots advocating aquiring either Jenkins or Rodgers...
And both times the thought or notion was grossly tossed aside, and for the most part people were in complete disagreement with obtaining either one of them…NOW that BOTH played at very high Pro Bowl Level, and helped their respective clubs immensely….Now we are AGAIN
still in need of a space eating NT…WHERE ARE THE NAY SAYERS NOW ??? Those guys can not be found on trees, under rocks, or in the later rounds of drafts…Period !!!! ….I disagree with your thought that there is only one NT in this upcoming draft…..there’s BJ Raji….who would fit here nicely, play all three downs, and start day one…
"Mount Cody, who is a two down NT, and would also start here immediately..
Brace could push for a starting spot, but is more of a two down player in 3-4..
Dorell Scott is a consideration in round 4, and Sammie Lee Hill in rounds 5-7
They best possible NT in this draft is a junior, and has yet to declare…I really really hope he does..He’s more in the mold of Ratliff, an undersized 6"4" 305lbs, but has so much playmaking ability he’d be perfect here in the one gap, Wade system….Can take on the double teams , led his team in tackles, sacks, and INT’s from the NT position……….howz that for stuffing the stats ??
IF there is one player this team can use out of the draft, it’s:
Ndamukong Suh – Nebraska – NT
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by BoyzRback on Jan 4, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I must have missed them
But you were prophetic because Ratliff playing out of position just made the front 3’s play pretty average rather than what it could have been. I thought Rubin would be a good fit and he was there for the taking. I am also surprised that Wade didn’t push for a NT in the draft or FA.
Raji is pretty short, but has played well and would be a fit. Brace, Scott and Hill all lack the suddeness of the studs we’ve mentioned.
I thought Suh was staying in school?
My guess is that we get some retread for next year along with a late round choice.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.....someone tell JG that........
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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He is talking to Pat Bowlen...
Do we want to trade Garrett in for another OC?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 3, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in fact...
Let Garrett Go, Bring in Mike Shannahan as HC, Make Phillips DC with Dom Capers as DC in waiting, get rid of Brian Stewart, and get some other offensive coordinator to learn from Shannahan. Our playcalling and utilization of our talent would go through the roof, and we would easily win most of the games just based on playcalling and clock management.
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by DallasPalace on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that Wade Phillips would take a demotion?
and that a legend like Dom Capers would take a title like DC in waiting?
They won’t even let you do that on Madden.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 3, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glory, Do YOU think that...
Wade is gonna be able to get a grip on this team, give them the fear of god, and make them play lights out like they have to to get a title? That’s what I mean Glory……
If Wade doesn’t want the team to win a title, then good riddance. He should either take the demotion, or we just make Capers DC and forget about Wade. Wow, what a coaching staff- Mike Shannahan HC and Dom Capers DC. Talk about accountability then!
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by DallasPalace on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan HC, Sherman OC, and Capers DC is a dream come true........
IF Wade would be willing to take a back seat, he’s more than welcome….Jerry never foresaw Shanahan getting fired…I know he is teething and ready to pounce on Shanahan…..Do IT Jerry Do IT !!!!!!! …..You can’t be worried about hurting feelings, or backing out of your word…we’re with you….Fire Wade and Garrett NOW……I must finally admit….Wade is now a lame duck coach…nobody is buying into his get tough statements……..It’s just not in him….Shanahan takes no BS…period…HE runs the show…
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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it could work
don’t see it happening, I am not sure Sherman would be a shoe in for the OC JOB.
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by Wmillion on Jan 3, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now if Jerry wants to blow out the whole staff for Shannahan, Im all for it.
But you gotta give Wade enough respect not to try to punk him into a DC job. You owe it to Wade to let him test the waters. Now if he is aw shucks enough, to just decide he wants to be at home in Texas, then yippeee for us. But you gotta let Wade do Wade.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 3, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with this
Winne the Pooh needs to go – Shannahan is competitive and an enforcer; let capers be the DC; Sherman can be the OC. Shake up the coaching; cut the bad guys like Pacman, Tank. Send over the hill guys like Henry on their way. Get younger, faster, and tougher.
by Iowacowboy on Jan 3, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way too...
If they get rid of coaches because of bad performance, then the players have to take things seriously, because they will be thinking in the back of they’re head “hey, if they are willing to cut loose coaches and bring in real coaches, and if I don’t perform up to par, then they will get rid of me”. Sometimes it is just a healthy fear of fear that you need to motivate someone to succeed.
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by DallasPalace on Jan 3, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They got rid of Bruce Read but they hold on to Stewart?
That makes no sense to me.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Jan 4, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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