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MNF open thread

It's the Tampa Bay Bucs visiting the Carolina Panthers on MNF. Is there a way both teams can lose tonight? Guess not. So I'm rooting for Carolina to beat Tampa Bay, and then Atlanta to beat Tampa Bay next week. Unless someone tells me that's not the best scenario...then I'm rooting for whoever can help the Cowboys. How's that?

This is an open thread for Monday Night Football.

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I think if Carolina wins the division

and both TB and Atlanta loses as many games as possible, thats what we should root for.

Since we have the 1st tie breaker on TB, I’d rather have them beat Atlanta since we don’t have a head to head tie breaker on Atlanta.

If Atlanta fades out, we’re in great shape.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 8, 2008 7:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see them or Arizona

If we have to play in Chicago in January, in another really cold game, I don’t like our chances.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 8, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a chance that Minn would be without the Williams Wall

But then again, if they lose them for the next three games, they probably won’t get in anyway.

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee

by BigDinSC on Dec 8, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Williams Wall is gonna be around, from the looks of it— that lawsuit is going to take some serious time.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Arizona scares me a lot more than the Vikings

We match up VERY well with the Vikings. They can’t pass and can’t stop the pass.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Give me Minny if we make it

I would absolutely LOVE to see Minnesota in the playoffs. We drubbed them last year with no problem— gap discipline can largely contain Peterson, and they don’t have the aerial attack to threaten our secondary, nor do they have the secondary to contain our passing game. Their strengths are running the ball and stopping the run, so we match up with them pretty well.

Arizona would be much more worrisome— remember when they beat us? Just a few weeks back? It was one of the 5, not one of the 8, in our current 8-5?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I take that back

Carolina’s runningbacks scare me. Although as we know T-New can shutdown Steve Smith.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

perfect way to end the playoff drought by beating the Vikings, who happen to be the last team we have beaten in the playoffs

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Dec 8, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

like a said yesterday

to me it looks like our season will be on the line in philly…dallas wins there in or philly wins there in…thats why i keep scratching my head wondering how some dallas fans wanted philly yesterday to win. that game is dangerous in philly especially if its for a playoff birth for both teams

by canty99 on Dec 8, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

CLASSIC late season Philly

I was talking to my friend, a die hard NFL fanatic and big time Eagles fan, about this today. That win yesterday was CLASSIC Andy Reid. Westbrook logged 33 carries, when he hasn’t come CLOSE to doing that all year. That’s Reid’s MO the past 4 years: coach like a stubborn idiot for the first 10 weeks, airing the ball out on every 3rd and short, lose to some inferior teams, and then decide at the end of the season to start putting together run-based game plans focused around his best player and coach like an absolute genius. Remember that horrific loss they slapped on us two seasons back, in the second Boys/Eagles match-up of Parcells’ last year?

I’m telling you, it seems like Reid has a performance based contract that only pays him for wins 1) in December, or 2) against the Cowboys. He puts his ego aside and builds genius game plans for those games only. It is HUGELY irritating, and I have no doubt he and Jim Johnson have been eyeing the Week 17 match-up for some time now, if only because they seem to get a unique joy out of beating the Cowboys.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow u just said a mouthfull

everything u said was on target about reid and the birds…that game is scary ….

by canty99 on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in philly lol

so to get knocked out of the playoffs by philly in week 17 gives me nightmares….

by canty99 on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be glad when the Reid/McNabb era is over

Yeah— just because of Reid and JJ’s seeming obsession with beating the Cowboys, and their willingness to put aside their egos to do it, they have become my most feared opponent over the past 5-6 years or so. Even if their record is 4-11, you know they will play incredibly fiercely against us, and they will have a very good game plan coming in.

It’s very annoying.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

knowing these eagle fans very well...

beating dallas and esepcially knocking them out of the playoffs would be as good as winning a super bowl …no joke

by canty99 on Dec 8, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever helps Dallas get to the playoffs...

I’m rooting for

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Dec 8, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Question for you all...

about 5 weeks ago everyone was railing against the 3-4, at least we were over on the Blue and Silver blog. The Cowboys didn’t have the personnel. The 4-3 was better suited for the talent on the team. Ratliff was playing beyond himself, and Canty, Spears, Tank and crew were just sucking, which led to James and Thomas getting leaned on by guards and centers. No push, no strength, poor pressure, zero disruption. However, that has changed. To my layman’s eyes, the front 7 is STOUT now.
My question… what changed? Is it all just Wade paying more attention to the defense? If that’s the case, then I think he deserves to be fired. Because he had the answer to make the defense perform well all along, and didn’t pay attention to it until far too long in the season. Derelict in his responsibilities.
Or, is it due to the health of Newman, Spencer and Hatcher? Or, is it like most things involved in football strategy and tactics, a crazy mishmash of tons of variables that can not ever be properly defined?

by Joey2zs on Dec 8, 2008 8:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Its more man coverage in the secondary

Having seen them the last few weeks, they seem to play very few zone coverages in the secondary. I am guessing this is letting the linebackers become more aggressive. I heard T-New on a radio show before the skins game and he was joking to the audience to tell wade to let them play man in the secondary. Guess they changed it afterall

by thejanusman on Dec 9, 2008 8:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do as well

And… I think that all of a sudden, Canty and Spears are showing that they can play and produce and are fine as 3-4 ends. I’d be happier with an enormous maniac at NT who’s 75lbs heavier than Tank or Rat, so that Rat can move to end next to Ware. Canty would be a run stopping role player, or leave via free agency.
It’d SUCK if he landed in New England or San Diego and turned into a star.

by Joey2zs on Dec 8, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gruden proves he's an idiot yet again.

1st and goal from the 2 and he runs one time. Man I hate that I’ve had their backs in my fantasy league all year.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 8:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the guy's not bad

He’s turned a motley crew of QBs into a productive offense in Tampa Bay, and he’s got a Super Bowl and a few division titles to his credit in the 6 years he’s been there. He knows what he is doing, especially on the offensive side of the ball. And that offensive line is sneaky good. He does tend to be a bit pass happy at times, but he’s a West Coast, “a 2 yard out is as good as a handoff”-type coach. What can you do. Nobody’s perfect.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He won that SB

on the back of Dungy’s D. They sure as heck didn’t win it on Gruden’s offense. The second they lost Sapp, Lynch, et all, they went into a nose dive and now he is rebuilding that team around his style of football.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree

He won that Super Bowl on the strength of Dungy’s defense (although you’ll note Dungy never took that D to the SB), but he also did it by turning Brad Johnson into an excellent QB, which he had never been before. Johnson had a 5 game stretch to finish the season where he was the NFL’s best QB.

And don’t forget that the team that Gruden BEAT in that Super Bowl, the Raiders, got there on the strength of Gruden’s offense. Gruden had a hand in BOTH teams represented in that Super Bowl, and then completely blew Bill Callahan’s wheels off in a total coaching mistmatch in the big game.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

The way Gruden used Keyshawn in the slot in that game created huge mismatches for DaRaiders.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's fair to say

that he got them there when Dungy couldn’t. Dungy was close the two years prior to that, and they would have definitely beat the Eagles if not for a bogus rule. And as far as him outcoaching Callahan in the Super Bowl, that Tampa defense was out of this world. They stoned a very potent Oakland offense, all the while BJ was being his usual, pedestrian, bus driving self.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You need to look at Brad Johnson’s stats from that season. He was not solely a bus driver.

And the potent offense that Oakland was sporting was Gruden’s. The guy’s a top tier coach. Don’t see any way around that.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson's line from that Super Bowl

18/34 215 2 1

The defense had as many scores as the offense did that game. It wasn’t like he came out and lit the world on fire. And I would hope that you would know how to pick apart an offense you built. Just like Dungy did with the Colts against the Bears in the Super Bow.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a ridiculous side discussion, but alright, I’ll bite.

Brad Johnson, 2002:

22 TDs
6 INTs

That’s an excellent year, and it’s Brad’s best. Gruden is a good offensive coach. He single-handedly resurrected Rich Gannon’s career.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Last year David Garrard

had 18 and 3, but you’re not going to convince me that anyone down in JAX is an offensive mastermind.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

think of what he could do with Romo

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Dec 8, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love division games.

Always some brawls.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Go Duck!

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 9:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You want FOUR good RBs? We're getting greedy!

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just liked Stewart for two years

thought he was thee best back in the draft last year

by Deke on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone but the Titans

thought he was first round material. Most people thought he was just a pure speed guy. I can’t imagine anyone could have foreseen the success he’s having this year.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea - plus the small school

but a 4.24 forty should open plenty of eyes – I love what Fisher does in the draft… and as much as I loved VY in college, it is rumored that management forced his hand with that choice..

by Charles Haley on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haynesworth was obviously a great first rounder too.

Pacman not so much (although he had the talent), and Vince Young not looking so good so far.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 8, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pac was a great selection

take a look what he did in his second year. He won them 3 games (3 punt return tds, 1 youuuuge int return in the giants game when Kiwanuka let go of VY in the pocket).

Character issues are red flags, and obviously it is easy to look back and say this one doesn’t look so good, but there is no denying the guy’s talent. Whether or not people realize it, he changed the boy’s defense dramatically yesterday.

by Charles Haley on Dec 8, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Antonio Bryant

Boy do I wish we still had him. What a beast…. Biletnikoff winners with attitudes are always keepers..

by Charles Haley on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

dude

i agree 100%. I loved him out of college, yeah i understand why we let him go, but would love to have him right.

by joey7289 on Dec 8, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He would have stuck around if he had just kept his mouth shut.

Didn’t Galloway go down for the year a week or two after he got traded? He would have ended up starting anyway.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

It was 04 when Glenn went down.

by Mandmeisterx on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's how Dallas should be using T.O.

Like Carolina uses Steve Smith. Several times yesterday, the Steelers were playing way off the WRs.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Galloway went down in 01 and they drafted Antonio in 02

and yea he did have issues with running his mouth off … talked his way out of cleveland and san fran (not to mention the arrest for driving his lambo over 100 in cali)

by Charles Haley on Dec 8, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Say what you will about Parcells

but he f*cked up with Antonio Bryant, and I’ve been saying that since the very beginning. Thank goodness we got Quincy Morgan in that deal.

by DavidH22 on Dec 8, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

whatever

Parcells just wanted to make an example of him. He really could have been the next in line of great Cowboy 88’s.

by DavidH22 on Dec 8, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He had the same problems in San Fran, so it wasn't Parcells

Bryant had an arrest, drug suspension, his own bad behavior got him kicked off teams.
Red Flags all over this kid coming out of Pitt

by Deke on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Back to an earlier conversation

Hate to say I told you so… but loved seeing the comment about chris johnson earlier and couldn’t help but to remind everyone especially from before the merger, that if you look back in the archives to February and March I tried to get everyone on the boat to draft CJ in the first round but I got mauled. But that’s a moot point now and Jason Garrett probably wouldn’t know what to do with him anyway… Oh what could of been.

" high and tight Martellus, high and tight."

by Staggolee87 on Dec 8, 2008 10:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You said it.
Jason Garrett probably wouldn’t know what to do with him anyway.

Does it really matter which of these RBs we drafted? They’re all good, but…

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys know Felix was averaging a TD per game before he got hurt, right? You think some of that might have been Garrett drawing up the correct plays for him? Or was it all just his instant Hall of Famer athletic ability bravely overcoming Garrett’s miserable coaching?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He had 4 touchdowns in 6 games.

One of those was on a kick return. He scored about once every 10 carries, but only got about 5 carries per game. To me that sounds like his ability overcame his limited touches.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 9, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW Cowboys Fans

Joe D is calling us out in a FanPost. What a jerkoff!

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Of course

Keyshawn has something to say.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jesus

all I know is I have to face DeAngelo Williams in fantasy playoffs next week (he’s playing against Denver) and I am absolutely scared sh*tless. Who the eff is this guy???

by DavidH22 on Dec 8, 2008 10:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

he's a beast

I have steve smith, alas I needed to make up a 50 point deficit.

by quincyyyyy on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, CAR took care of business for the boys tonight.

Now if Tampa returns the favor and beats Atlanta Sunday coupled with a Cowboys win over the giants, we’ll be in good, good shape.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anybody know?

if in fantasy a blocked extra point is the same as a missed extra point? Matt Bryant should be losing 2 for that, but ESPN is not recognizing it.

I’m tied and need that -2 to drop my opponent. A block still has to be on the kicker, right?

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind, a lot of stats get corrected overnight

but i’m pretty confident that a missed XP isn’t worth more than a missed FG.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 8, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm the League Manager and I have it set that way.

But what I’m saying is that ESPN still hasn’t counted that blocked XP as a missed XP. Regardless of -1 or -2 points, I should still win cuz I’m tied.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks you NO and Car, you helps us out with your wins

now if only ATL and CLE can win next week. Atlanta host Tampa, that should be a good game. Well Cleveland plays Philly in Philly, I guess that would be a major longshot at best….

by Deke on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland beat the Giants.

Maybe they’ll start Bartel!

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 8, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it be better if Atlanta lost next week?

If Atlanta wins, that means the Cowboys possibly have to win out to make the playoffs. If the Bucs win, the Cowboys are guaranteed a playoff spot if they beat the Giants and Eagles.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

the argument is if we’re tied with atlanta and tampa we’d be the 5th seed since we would have a better conference record compared to atlanta and hold the head to head tiebreaker over tampa. I honestly don’t mind who loses. Either Tampa loses and we’re tied if we beat the Giants or Atlanta loses and we are either a game up on them or tied with them still owning the conference tiebreaker.

by Tristan on Dec 8, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems our easiest path is if Atlanta loses.

It just seems simpler if Atlanta loses. The rest of their games are conference games, and that will leave them at 8-4 in the conference if they win out. If they lose and then they and Tampa both win their last 2, Dallas is guaranteed a playoff spot by beating NY and Philly, and probably gets in if they win any of their last 2.

If Atlanta wins and they both win out, then Dallas has to win all of their last 3 games. Both of their schedules are easier than ours, so it seems the best bet is if we have a little leeway.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 8, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Strangely

Dallas still has a pretty good inside track at the playoffs.

But damn, it sure would have been that much better if they could have held on at Heinz…

by AirforceBat on Dec 8, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As long as Dallas beats the Giants, they're looking real good.

I know, that’s a big if, but this is the true must win game. As pointed out, it works out okay for the Cowboys no matter who wins between Atlanta and Tampa. Either Chicago or NO will knock each other off pace. Either Philly or Washington will knock each other off pace the next week. It really looks like the 2 games Dallas has to win are the Giants and Philly, as that gives them conference tie breakers over every team that can finish 10-6 (If Minnesota goes 10-6, they win their division), but will need Atlanta to lose at least one more game.

Of course, if they win out, they are in like Flynn.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 8, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It be great to have already clinched a spot going into that Philly game.

I would be really worried about having to beat them to get in but if thats there only chance to make it all take it.

by houseofprime on Dec 8, 2008 11:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would take a lot of help.

Plus, two tough, tough wins with NYG and the Ravens, who are red hot right now. The good news is that that is probably going to be the Sunday night game, so if the chips fall right, they will likely know before they play the game and have a chance to rest some guys.

They just really have to win.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope MBIII is back next week

I was happy to see Choice do well. I still want MBIII back against the Giants, but it’s nice to know we can count on Choice. The way Romo was throwing, I thought he overthrew someone else when Owens caught the TD pass. I hope Romo’s on for the Giants. Go Cowboys!!!!!!!!!

by CowboyMan on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I still would love to know

was it the wind, his semi healed pinkie being brace less, or what? His passes were terrible for the most part. Maybe he just flushed the crap out of his system and will be good to go down the stretch.

by Benthere on Dec 8, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this...

If it was the same and Dallas played Minnesota… I think thats probably the easiest matchup int he playoffs honestly.

by AirforceBat on Dec 8, 2008 11:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just saw that Chris Samuels is out for the season.

That doesn’t make things easier for the Redskins, especially if Horton is hurt too. Or hears a who.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jansen is hurt too.

George Teague did it all.

by Aaron Novinger on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They should rest Jason Witten

I think his injury is effecting his execution, and probably practice time. When he was out, Bennett caught a first down, and the Cowboys went down the field and scored. He’s probably been practicing more. I think Witten needs to sit a game and heal.

by AustonianAggie on Dec 9, 2008 12:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Commenting on Marion Barber

I truly hope Jerry’s comment was neutral. This is not a time for him to be opening his big mouth about something like that.

It only leads to negativity with the players and gives the media something to create a circus around.

by Cowboys4Life on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys!

Been a while, sure is a whole lotta stuff happenin with the blogs, all good :) So, I am hearing ya’ll right, we can get into the playoffs with just a win over the Giants and Philly if Atlanta loses to Tampa Bay this coming week?

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 9, 2008 8:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but..

We are playin at our house, plus, we don’t have to worry about Plexiglass Bocheeze anymore. Any more word on B. Jacobs?

Man, if they stick to their Eagles game plan, we oughtta be able to kick their butts all the way back to NY.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the trouble the giants had with the eagles had something to do with the swirling 22MPH winds

mcnabb had the same trouble, that game was taken over by westbrook.

The conditions won’t be anything close to that in Dallas.

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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