Trading for a CB?
by JerrodWheeler on Feb 20, 2008 9:11 AM CST
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The Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting that DeAngelo Hall is wanting a new deal and that the Falcons are considering trade options.
Coach Mike Smith wants the two-time Pro Bowl cornerback on the team. Hall, who has one-year left on his contract, recently said he wants to be back, but he won't play next season without an extension. The Falcons have not committed long-term to Hall and are exploring trade possibilities.
"DeAngelo is a top-notch talent, and we're still evaluating," Dimitroff said. "I know coach Smith definitely wants him on the team. He makes this team better."
While I don't like the attitude that he can project at times, he's a top-tier talent. With one year left on his current deal, the extension might not be unbearable although CB contracts have been rediculous these last few years. . .at the very least, I have determined it was interesting enough to becomy my first diary after reading/commenting on others for a year+.
We've discussed trading Spears/Carpenter(although I want to keep him) - what if a trade could be wrangled for Hall?
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Although I cannot stand him...
... if Dallas acquired Hall and signed him to an affordable deal, I'd be for it. He's only like 24 or 25 years old.
If that happened, I'd have to learn to like him... the same adjustment I had to make for Deion Sanders (when he came over from the Niners) and TO (when he came over from Philly).
But because of De-Asinine's overinflated ego and self-worth, I doubt the King could sign him for something reasonable.
Realistically, I just cannot see it happening, though.
But thanks for posting this, Jerrod.
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 9:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Him and T.O.?
I'd really enjoy watching that play out... LOL
That said... This team needs a CB. I think he's a bit overrated, but he's still young and has a lot of talent... It'd be interesting depending on the cost.
by N41D on Feb 20, 2008 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
There was a second spitter
behind the fence on the grassy knoll...
by Deke on Feb 20, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that from da Keith Hernandez Seinfeld episode
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deke a Seinfeld fan?
Sweet fancy Moses!
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ROTFLMAO!!! Freakin' hilarious, Tom!!!
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall would cost too much money and
plus he's a punk, don't want him ruining our team chemistry as a trouble maker.
by Terry on Feb 20, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't we have enough veterans. . .
to ensure that one addition wouldn't ruin any chemistry? I'm thinking of a Corey Dillon going to NE. . .are we not that type of team?
As for price - I'm sure you are right. But can you also imagine that secondary?
by JerrodWheeler on Feb 20, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree Jerrod..
CB-Hall -starter
CB-Newman-starter
CB-Henry -nickle & FS
CB-rookie 1st or 2nd rounder
CB-rookie 4th or 5th rounder
CB-Ball
----------------------------
SS-Williams
FS-Hamlin
S-Watkins
S-Brown
S-rookie or FA
Now our secondary is set.....next..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boyz, I meant team chemistry, not secondary
by Terry on Feb 20, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, we don't have that type of team
because our team doesn't have the veteran leadership in the locker room who could put the lock down on Hall. I could see him and T.O. getting into fights all the time.
Getting spit on isn't something a player forgets and forgives very easily.
by Terry on Feb 20, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for it....
Chad Johnson has been quoted as saying he's the best CB he's faced.
He is a proven all pro caliber CB at age 24.Well worthy of our #28 pick....but I certainly would dangle Carp & Spears as trade bait instead.
...6 year/60mm would do it. I think worth every penny..
As good or better than Samuels & Newman, rates right there with Asomugha, Bailey, Trufant, and Cromartie. Very fast, with pretty solid build to support the run...I like him..and once again...Would be all over this guy.
Attitude or not...I would take him in a heart beat..I want a CB with attitude..One that's not intimidated by WR's...One that fights on every play...If your not confident in this league..you will not succeed.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think he's vastly overrated
T.O. showed how good he is by toasting him on several occasions.
Furthermore, thats too much money in one position, not economically feasible.
by Terry on Feb 20, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree he's overrated
but you're also pairing him with one of the NFL's best all time receivers. He's still among the best corners currently in the league.
by sublimezg on Feb 20, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard for me to say this, but Hall IS a playmaker
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I think hes overrated
and hes gonna cost us way too much money. I'd prefer looking for a cb in the 1st round of the draft or possibly a guy like Drayton Florence in Free Agency.
by cmdenero on Feb 20, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florence is also over-rated
I know that he was starting and got bumped by Cromartie who is rediculous, but Florence isn't a world-beater to me. Especially at the cash that he'll demand, which admittedly - would be less than Hall by millions. But I'd prefer to have someone that could challenge Henry - not J. Reeves.
by JerrodWheeler on Feb 20, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just listenting to some
of the programing on Serius Radio today they said he makes the most sense for us since he knows Wades system and can be plugged in right away. He is not overrated for the price we could get him for and playing the slot. He makes the most sense and would be an upgrade over Reeves. I hope we can land him.
by Cowboys81 on Feb 20, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Price we get him for ?...
After Samuels...he'll be the second rated CB available on the market.....expect to pay 5mm+ per for him...as he will be looking to go to a team he will start (which would never be here)...you can give up all hope of us signing this guy.
Samuels
Trade for a Stud
or Draft one....are the only options I see.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For Drayton Florence??
He won't cost nearly that much. He is not a starter. Trufant and Samuels are the top rated CB's on the market. The second and third tiers CB's are Florence, Gay, Reeves. Probably around 3 mil a year for Florence.
There are no studs in the mid first. I'm all for drafting a CB, but not until the second round. I have Cromartie rated as a second rounder and he would be great value there. Mel Kyper also has him as a late first early second. Don't get caught up in the name. He is not as good as his cousin. We need a starter and someone with knowledge of our defense which is why Florence makes the most sense scheme wise and money wise.
by Cowboys81 on Feb 20, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Aqib Talib, Brandon Flowers, DRC all have pro bowl potential at the next level and I'd be happy happy with anyone of those guys at #28.
McKelvin is the guy I want at #22, but he'll probably be gone by then. I don't like Mike Jenkins, has character issues, so I think we go with the highest rated RB at #22 and then one of the 3 studs I just mentioned at #28. Luckily for us, this draft is extremely deep at the CB position.
by Terry on Feb 21, 2008 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerrod is right on.....
couldn't agree any more that statement:
But I'd prefer to have someone that could challenge Henry - not J. Reeves.
If he isn't #1 or #2 starter material...I pass...
Florence is neither.
DeAngelo Hall is a #1 CB...
lol....here's a thought...
Dallas trades picks #22, 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears to Atlanta for the rights to DeAngelo Hall, and the #3 pick in the 2008 draft.
Draft either OT Jake Long or RB DMac, which I wouldn't like, but >>>...OR TRADE DOWN to KC at #5,( They covet Jake Long) pick up more picks(1+,2nd or 3rd,4th), then TRADE DOWN from #5, to about 9-12, pick up even more picks(1+2nd,3rd or 4th), and then select Leodis McKelvin.
We give up #3 for at least 5 more top 4 round picks and still get a need in McKelvinCB....a starter in Hall, still have our #28 to move up again in the first and grab a top RB.....hmmm...I'm playing Jerry for a moment..this is fun....seriously....that is exactly what I'd try to pull off if I owned this team.
2008 Secondary would look like this:
CB1)Terrence Newman
CB2)DeAngelo Hall
CB3)1st rounder Leodis McKelvin
CB4)Anthony Henry
CB5)extra 2nd rounder Antoine Cason
CB6)extra 3rd rounder Jack Ikegwuonu
-----------------------------------
SS1)Roy Williams or
SS2)Ken Hamlin
FS1)Ken Hamlin or
FS2)Anthony Henry
FS3)Pat Watkins
S4) Courtney Brown
------------------------------------
Running Backs :
RB1a)Marion Barber
RB1b)1st rounder Felix Jones
RB3)extra 4th rounder Mike Hart
FB1)extra 3rd rounder Owen Schmitt
FB2)Deon Anderson
------------------------------------
with a few more picks left over to address WR, OL, LB, DE, QB......easier said than done...lol
seriously... This could happen...whatcha think ?
first,second,third, Carp & Spears...for that ?...you bet I would.
Jimmy Johnson would give me an A+
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I can't question your devotion. That's extremely convoluted, hehe.
by BudLight on Feb 21, 2008 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't see
Hart in the fourth round. But hell, what a secondary.
by Romo9 on Feb 21, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hart was just an example....I'd actually go WR
Hart will go in rds 2-4...but I didn't want to continue to show how it would adhance our WR corp as well by having to post WR depth chart.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
funny thing is...I actually think it would work..
Think about about it...Atlanta is totally overhauling their team.They aren't done either...They are looking to trim about 6 million or more off their cap number still....well..Hall is at that number right now, and in the last year of his contract. Do they chance losing him for nothing ?...
My proposal would give them 1-1st rounder, 3-2nd rounders, at least 2-3rd rounders....AND 2 starters in positions of need,OLB & DT, with the recent cuts of Dan Morgan & Rod Coleman.
They avoid paying top #3 money to an individual player, and could use that saving to sign up their impending 10 draftees. It would make perfect sense for Atlanta to do something like this.
It would STILL leave us with 2-#1 picks at #3 & #28..as well as our 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.
Of course I know in this situation Jerry would draft DMac. which I wouldn't be opposed to...but look at the possibilities of trading down at #3...That's a nice piece of bait to dangle around at teams 4-12.....We'd be able to recoup our lost 2nd & 3rd picks, at the very least....and still got a top ten talent. It's not far fetched, it's creative dealing...Jerry pulled a similar move last year to get back into the first. Atlanta, I believe, would be more than willing to move out of the #3 spot. If only Jerry can pull it off, and not grab DMac, but drop down again, and get the top CB available, and several more picks.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are the extra picks coming from?
3-2nd rounders, at least 2-3rd rounders
by Romo9 on Feb 21, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta already has 2-2nd rounders, and a 3rd
they would be aquiring our #22 , our 2nd, and our 3rd.
And as a kicker we'd probably have to throw in a 2nd in 2009.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as a wheeler and dealer boyz
you would make Jimmy Johnson very proud.
by Terry on Feb 21, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I thought you had us giving them those. Well, I think they would go for it if, instead of a second and third, we give them our other first. That seems more reasonable to them. Two first rounders and Carp and Spears for Hall and the 3rd overall. Also, it might prove costly to try to pay both Hall and a top-5 pick. But all-in-all, I do like the idea. But if Jerry just goes ahead and gets DMAC with that pick I wouldn't be too happy with giving up anything. The only way I would take DMAC is if he fell to #22.
by Romo9 on Feb 21, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the key question....
If Jerry traded up and got the #3 pick in the draft, Would he go for his man-crush in DMac and pay him buukuu dollars....OR would he actually trade down from #3 to KC at #5 ,which would assure KC gets Jake Long, then trade down again, to about 9-12 and grab what we really need in McKelvin ???
If we do sign MBIII to a long term lucrative deal...I can't see him taking DMac.
If we needed to throw another first rounder in the mix, instead of the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th proposal, I'd sure make sure it's 2009 #1,(32) overall, and not this years #28.
We will not get anything of value at the 30-32 position in next years draft..It's very weak...and would be equal to a late 2nd rounder this year's draft..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea...
But a #3 pick alone is way more valuable in conventional thinking than everything we're giving up, and there is also the problem of being able to afford Hall and a top 5 pick under the cap (we can't). Trading down could work, but Atlanta would never make that trade. I'm sure they'd trade Hall for a 1st round pick, though.
by grapejoos on Feb 21, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
never say can't....
When your a team like Atlanta, that is completely overhauling their team, and starting from scratch...
The #3 overall pick, and a CB in his last year of a contract, is not as valuable as us giving them :
Starting OLB-Carp
Starting DT-Spears
2 -1st round picks and possibly more ...
They are giving up 2 really good players, and saving millions, for at the very least 2 former 1st rounders, and two more 1st rounders, and maybe a few more picks...
So...If I'd give you 4 past and present 1st round picks....for your 2 past and present 1st rounders ..
That wouldn't appeal to you ?? .hmmm...
There is not one player in this draft that can change this team around.
DMac ?? ..Yeah....Face of the Franchise...but with him, come question marks..He'd get beaten to a pulp behind that O Line, and no QB.
Jake Long ??..It's a start, with no QB or top RB, what good's that going to do ?
Dorsey ??.. Well..It's a need, but, Your Offense is going to suck for many more years.
Howie's kid ?.. He'd be nice..but is this going to turn your team around ?
Matt Ryan ??..He'd be a late 1st, early 2nd in any other draft..I don't consider him a frnchise QB at all. not worth 70 million contract he'd command.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most scouts would disagree with you regardin Ryan
I don't think the Falcons leave the #3 slot because I think they're targeting Ryan. Mike Mayock has him as the best player in the draft and many other draft experts have him as at least a top ten pick.
Remember, QBs are always overvalued in drafts, especially teams that are in desparate need of a franchise QB.
I'd bet good money they stay at #3 and select Ryan.
by Terry on Feb 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see...It would be a reach
I disagree that Matt Ryan is the best player in this draft. Your right, The Falcon's are in somewhat of a desperate need for a franchise QB..but.
I look at him in the same mold of Alex Smith-San Fran....adequate yet will never be a star.Might be a bust, as I think Smith is. Better value drafting Joe Flacco, or Chad Henne in round 2.
If Ryan is worth 70mm...so be it. I'd rather go with Joey Harrington for one more season, and choose a sure thing in Jake Long OT.
Draft Tim Tebow next year, Since I'm sure they'll be picking in the top 5 again.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here is more proof boyz
In response to our assessment that Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan might not be drafted until the bottom of round one at the earliest, a league source advises us that there's a belief in league circles that Falcons owner Arthur Blank is smitten with Ryan, and that the Falcons would take him with its first pick in the 2008 draft, which currently is among the top five selections. (The final spot will be determined by flip(s) of the coin this weekend in Indy.)
Of course, this is the time of the year when all sorts of smokescreens begin to emerge, so it's not really clear at this point whether or not there is any factual basis to the rumors making the rounds.
Still, the overriding point is that, even if 31 franchises say "no," all it takes is for one to say "yes."
by Terry on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually...narrow it down a bit.
This is the part of that paragraph that I stand by:
Of course, this is the time of the year when all sorts of smokescreens begin to emerge, so it's not really clear at this point whether or not there is any factual basis to the rumors making the rounds.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I kind of like Ryan. I think he is better than any QB taken last year and this year. He will be a good starter and I could see his ceiling being pretty high. He has good arm strength, mobility, and is a leader. I don't think he is as good as the 05' class, but he isn't that bad of a start. I think he can be a franchise QB, is he Carson Palmer? No, but he could be something in a year or two.
Back to the subject, I think that Atlanta could actually go ahead with a deal like this because of the fact that they need more help than just one pick. They need as many prospects that they can get. Also this is a deep QB class anyways. Besides, they might want to go after someone next year, which looks like a better QB class. Someone like Tim Tebow, Hunter Cantwell, Curtis Painter, Chase Daniel, Graham Harrell or Matt Staford.
by Romo9 on Feb 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly Romo9...and that's why ....
I'd propose this in the first place...you stated exactly what I'm thinking about this years draft.
In fact, I don't think Miami(needs), St. Louis(cost), Atlanta(needs), Oakland(cost),or New England(cost) want anything to do with their current draft situation. And I would think every single one of those teams would be willing to draft out of their spot. This is going to be very interesting.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for you boyz
those aren't the only teams not wanting those draft spots, most teams don't want to have anything to do with a top ten 10 pick unless they are completely in love with a player.
Its because those spots are so expensive, you have to overpay those rookies so much. Unless you have tons of cap space, teams don't want to draft there.
by Terry on Feb 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree Terry....
Atlanta is doing everthing they can now to shed every expensive contract off their roster...
As is Miami...
As are the Patriots...
etc.....etc....
We have the players and the picks to wheel and deal...
Everyone is talking about our own cap position...
If we traded Carp(3-4mm/year) & Spears(2-3mm/year)
for DeAngelo Hall(4.5mm/year), We'd actually save about 2-4mm while addressing a serious need.
And if we traded the #3 down to about 9-11, we'd save over 40mm overall..I don't know...I can go on and on...why this has to be the biggest off season ever to transcend our team into the best dynasty ever.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
If you trade a guy like Carp or Spears, what kind of penalties does that trigger? It's been awhile since I made any trades in Madden, which is where I learned most of my cap economics. I think it triggers any bonus penalties just as if they were cut, but the salary comes off the books. Anyone know for sure?
by grapejoos on Feb 21, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion...
A #3 draft pick is just about the most valuable asset Atlanta has, whether they stay where they are or trade down. As Terrynoted, they also have a gaping hole at the QB position and a chance to pick the best QB in the draft (whether at #3 or by moving down slightly). Now, I agree that our trade might give them the biggest boost next season, but Atlanta isn't going to look at Spears and Carpenter as 1st round guys. They're going to look at them as our bench players or underachievers. They also need to sell their fans on hope, which is why they'll take a QB high...their GM would be tarred and feathered for this deal.
I like the creative thinking, but NFL teams stick to the supposed chart value of picks very closely, so I don't see this happening. There is also the very real problem of us not having enough cap space to do a deal like this, though maybe we could get creative. I'd love to bring in a starting CB, whether via trade or the draft.
by grapejoos on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, Love Fanball.com. Great FF source...
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hall is overrated
and he's going to cost a mint. No thanks.
I'd rather see the Cowboys use one of those 1st rounders on a CB to fill the need of 3rd CB and future starter.
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2008 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
his contract
is only 4.3 mil next year...Thats a STEAL!
by TrueBlue24 on Feb 22, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its a steal for him, but
you have to take into consideration the money Newman and Henry are being paid as well. You simply cannot invest that kind of money in one position, it will wreck your cap for the future.
by Terry on Feb 22, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we dont have cap room for all these
fantasy players that are being thrown around ( Faneca,Flozell,Williams,Hal), and just because you cut a player, his pro rated signing bonus goes against the cap, its not just his base salary.
by Deke on Feb 22, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall
I wasn't very impressed with what I saw of him last year, but because of the circumstances, I think I will let it slide. I would really like to get this guy at a reasonable rate. Maybe offer the 28th pick and Carpenter or something along those lines. Also a contract in the neighborhood of 6 yrs and 50 million would be okay. The guy is a playmaker and lined up opposite of Newman, will have all kinds of oppurtunities. Henry gets alot of passes thrown his way, if Hall is on the other side teams will start to have second thoughts, leading to more oppurtunities for Newman and Hall. With Dallas' pressure in the front 7 only getting better, I could see a alot more picks in the future. while he isn't as good as Newman (who is), the guy has more potential than almost any CB in the league. I am not a big fan of his cockiness attitude, but I think there won't be a T.O. factor involved. T.O. would recognize that this is an oppurtunity for this team and would handle it.
by Romo9 on Feb 20, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't impressed either
If we're talking about giving him a huge extension, keep the picks and sign Samuel. I don't think we can afford either guy, but I'd rather have a proven winner than a guy with a serious attitude problem that has had beef with TO and has an extremely inflated opinion of himself. Hall would be an asset for the team, but he's not worth giving up Carpenter and a 1st rounder to pay him the same market rate that the top CBs will get in Free Agency.
by grapejoos on Feb 20, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is worth giving
up if that first is going to be used on a CB anyway and Carpenter, like many believe here, won't ever suceed in the 3-4. Also, Hall could take a pretty big pay cut to get out of Atlanta. I know I said 6 yrs, 50 mil in my other post but he could come for even a little cheaper. Possibly for about 8 to 7.5 mil a year. I believe that as overated as Samuels is he will be getting much more than that. He will most likely be getting more than Clements did last year which is 10 mil a year. I could see a team offer him somewhere in the range of 90 mil over 8 years where as Hall could come for something like 5 yrs and 45 to 50 million.I believe that Hall is better than either of them with Newman to his left.
by Romo9 on Feb 21, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O-Ver-Ra-Ted!!!
Clap Clap clapclapclap
O-Ver-Ra-Ted!!!
by Brandon Worley on Feb 20, 2008 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love it....and if Maxie gives his thumbs up....
I'm alllllll for it.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 8:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you got a link Cowboy ?
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 20, 2008 8:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I picked it off a cowboy message board I frequent sorry.
by Cowboys81 on Feb 20, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright - you've piqued my interest, 81...
gimme a link, will ya?
THANKS!!!
by kcbrett5 on Feb 20, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I had to delete Cowboys81's
comment. But I don't think I can be any clearer about posting other people's work here without a link. It's just not going to happen. Sorry. Don't shoot the messenger. ;-)
by Dave Halprin on Feb 20, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
grrrr..lol
I'll see what I can do, but message boards for the most part don't post links.
by Cowboys81 on Feb 20, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got the link
DeAngelo Hall wasn't saying that he wanted to come to Dallas (though he didn't say he doesn't want to come to Dallas). And he's not the type to be PC just for the heck of it.
So I believed him today when he declared Brett Maxie a great addition to the Cowboys coaching staff. Maxie, who coach the secondary with Dave Campo, was Hall's secondary coach in Atlanta from 2004-06.
"I was fortunate enough to play under him for three years," Hall said. "Under him, I got my first and second Pro Bowl, so that says it all."
Even with the Bobby Petrino Era long since bagged, Hall could find his way out. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Falcons are weighing their options. And as such, Hall is keeping quiet on the possibility of a reunion with Maxie in Big D.
"That's all speculation right now," Hall said. "We'll talk about that later."
http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives...
by Cowboys81 on Feb 20, 2008 10:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you much!
by Dave Halprin on Feb 20, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I just point out that I called it first? ;)
That and that some of the trade scenarios posted above that involved trades for multiple players/picks and swapping draft status that puts us in a position to carry the 3 and the 28 in the first round - uhhhhh. . .error. :)
Fun - but never ever going to happen unless Ditka is running the Atlanta War Room.
by JerrodWheeler on Feb 21, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see guy....we'll see...
If one of those teams doesn't draft down, I'll be shocked.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting down is a given
having that many picks/players trade hands is pretty unlikely. There are only two times in recent history that something has been comparable - the H. Walker deal that had us raping the Vikings for years to come (3 rings!) and the full draft traded for Ricky Williams that had Ricky raping the Saints/Dolphins/Calgary, et al. . .
by JerrodWheeler on Feb 21, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those trades were for same reason...
Minnesota & New Orleans were supposedly "1" player away from contending for a Championship...and outrageously overpaid to fufill that need of a super star player.
Teams like Miami & Atlanta are a dozen starters from being respectable.
IMO, Neither team would progress within a reasonable 2-3 year timeline with a selection of 1 player. Both teams own 2-2nd rounders, which is a bonus and I'd imagine they'd entertain trading down with at least one of them as well.
Of course I don't see us doing such a deal, unless Jerry is completely awestruck by DMac...But it is more than conceivable it "can" happen....And I personally think it would be foolish of either one of those teams not to entertain such a proposal...
If I owned the Atlanta Falcons, and you put on the table a former 2005(Spears) & 2006(Carpenter) 1st rounders, and two more 1st rounders, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd, to drop 17-19 positions in the first, and a CB in his last year of a contract.....I'd have to be a complete moron not to be interested in that.Your getting 5-6 quality starters, for the price of two players that would cost you nearly 20 million/year in salary.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 21, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
If you flip this post around, the argument is even more convincing...
If I owned the Atlanta Falcons, and you put on the table a former 2005(Spears) & 2006(Carpenter) 1st rounders, and two more 1st rounders, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd, to drop 17-19 positions in the first, and a CB in his last year of a contract.....I'd have to be a complete moron not to be interested in that.Your getting 5-6 quality starters, for the price of two players that would cost you nearly 20 million/year in salary.
Minnesota & New Orleans were supposedly "1" player away from contending for a Championship...and outrageously overpaid to fufill that need of a super star player.
It's a moot point anyway, since we couldn't afford Hall and a top 5 pick. If I'm Atlanta, that is somewhat enticing, however.
by grapejoos on Feb 21, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I started this just playin' around...but...
The real prize is DeAngelo Hall...I would most definately trade down whatever pick I obtained from Atlanta....whether it's pick #3, #4, #5....which will be determined with a coin flip at the combine.
And of course i'd only pull the trigger on this trade if Atlanta owned the #3 pick, And I'd only do it on draft day, when they are on the clock , after the first 2 picks have been determined.
Say Miami takes Matt Ryan #1, and St. Louis takes Chris Long at #2.
Who's Atlanta gonna take ? DMac ?..most likely, but with his questionable persona, and penchant for gettin' in trouble, and being the thug gangster type with the pimped out whip, does Auther Blank really wanna chance another PR fiasco like Mike Vick ?..plus with Jerious Norwood, and possible FA's S. Alexander & D. Foster & many others i'm sure..does RB really need to be their priority ?
Dorsey & Ellis ?....both stud DT's and are needs..but..there are health issues with both of them. only time will tell here..they released Rod Coleman, so DT may be where they go.
Safest bet in the top 5 would be Jake Long, a sure fire stud for the next decade. If they went that route...no problem..can always address QB in round 2 with either Flacco or Henne or Woodson.
or take 2 1st, 2 players, and possibly a few more picks from My Cowboys.
or just trade down from #3 to #5 with KC....let them take J Long, and you'd get DMac & a few more picks in return...which would be a move I see happening.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami won't take Ryan
They spent a 2nd round pick on a QB last year, and this is a Parcells team. Atlanta will take Ryan, guaranteed. They will not take D-Mac, who I am guessing is going to last longer than people think.
by grapejoos on Feb 22, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok ...we'll see...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DMAC
will fall around 5 to 7 where I've been saying since day 1.
by Cowboys81 on Feb 22, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't will fall past the Raiders...
by BulletBob on Feb 22, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will because the Raiders
just signed Justin Fargas to a long term contract. The Jets are really the only team that might take him in the top 10. If they pass on him, he'll slide pretty far IMO.
by Terry on Feb 22, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pats & Cincy would be interested..
He will not go past #9 Cincy...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree because Pats or Cincy
already have feature backs in Rudi Johnson and Laurence Maroney and have more immediate needs than RB. Plus, both are passing teams and don't need a super stud back.
I'm telling you if he gets by the Jets, he'll fall into the teens, maybe the whole way to Arizona.
by Terry on Feb 22, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudi Johnson ?..
Go look at his stats for the '07 season guy...
Moroney and who else ?..DMac is a weapon the Pats would utilize better than any other team.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson before this year
consistenly put up big numbers, so he had an off year, so did the whole Cincy offense except for Housmazadeh. You were all for Chad Johnson but his stats stunk this year as well.
As for the Pats, they're a passing team, why would they want a loaded backfield?? That makes no sense.
Any team drafting in the top 10 that has a good back in place will pass on DMac, it makes no sense to pay 2 backs big money. Pats have a defense they have to fix, stacking their backfield makes no sense at all when Brady throws the ball 40 times a game.
by Terry on Feb 22, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincy might take him
I could see them taking him, Rudi is pretty much finished. Even when he came back last year, Watson was outperforming him. They need defensive help so badly, though. If he falls past #5, I think that's when the phones will heat up and teams (hopefully not us...) will start trying to make a move to pick him. It could be very interesting, and I could see Terry's scenario playing out. The Pats won't take him.
by grapejoos on Feb 22, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding? please say yes...or pass the pot
Terry Quote of the Year !!!!!
You were all for Chad Johnson but his stats stunk this year as well.
93 receptions
1,440 yards receiving
15.5 yards per receptions
12 Rec. Touchdowns
Chad's stats stunk this year ????? LMFAO
That stat line would rate as one of the best of all time.
Do you grow your own stash ???
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He actually had 8 TDs
But I guess that's nitpicking. He wasn't the best WR on his own team this year, but a down year for Chad is a career year for most.
Did anyone else realize that Chad and T.J. were teammates at Oregon State and were both drafted the same year (2001?). Interesting. T.J. was a 7th round pick, BTW...nice return, eh?
by grapejoos on Feb 22, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad....I guess Terry is right...lol
I must of lost my spot while writing down Pro Bowl stats. TJ had the 12TD's..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
His TDs pissed off many fantasy owners, but he did have a career high in yardage. In TD terms, he is the ultimate boom or bust guy...the last 2 years, he has 15 TDs, but those 15 have come in only 8 individual games (he scored in 4 games in both years).
As we know, though, judging a WR's performance strictly on TD terms is foolish. Chad had a good year last year in terms of yardage and receptions, but the team played poorly and he was a distraction. I think he'd probably say he had a bad year overall...if he is capable of having a negative opinion about himself in any capacity.
by grapejoos on Feb 22, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't Madden
The boys can't afford to pay starter salary for a slot/3rd CB, not to mention, he wants to start somewhere. How would they sign their draft picks by getting a top paid CB in FA. Perhaps if they cut Henry or Newman, both of which I believe would have big cap penalties. Also, if you consider how expensive the Cowboys secondary is right now, Newman(1st rd), Williams(1st Rd), Henry(FA), Hamlin(Franchised), not to mention pushing Watkins out of development. Sooner or later, the Cowboys are going to have to get lucky in the draft, like all the other good teams in the league. Can't always try and solve problems via FA, or we'll end up in cap hell again.
by osa1011 on Feb 22, 2008 12:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
huh ?.. you kiddin' me ?
first of all....DeAngelo Hall would be a starter, Day 1, and he is already signed through this season at 4.3mm/per, with an option year next season for under 1mm.........and he's not a free agent ?...he'd be aquired via trade, and would initially cost us about 1mm more than what an inexperienced #28 first rounder would cost us. Even extending his contract would be cheaper than what Samuels will get.
Anthony Henry would be the one riding the pine...either playing 3rd CB or FS in the dime package...Plus at 33 years old, it just might be his last season here and will be cut next spring with little cap implications...
Terrence Newman, at 31 years old, and in the final year of his contract would be next in line for a lay off, or a serious reality check in his salary demands.(think Flozell Adams) Of course I'd probably franchise him next year and try to work out a cap friendly deal at his elder age.
Would I pay a Two time Pro Bowler DeAngelo Hall a contract extention for about 6 years/56 million..Hell ya I would...He's 24 years old.
Newman's salary is the same as Hall's, Roy Williams will be cut after this year, Henry makes under 3mm...All very cap friendly right now..So...that being said...This is NO Madden guy, this is reality, this is getting better at a position with severe weakness. This is smart, cap friendly reasoning.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 5:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newman
is only 29 right now, will be 30 in Sep. He is arguably the best CB in the league and I hope he is not cut like you say. He deserves a large contract, he is much better than Samuel or Trufant. While he is 29, he started in the league at the age of 25 years old. He has very few miles on his legs for a 29 year old CB.
by Romo9 on Feb 22, 2008 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Newman is good as any CB in the league
by Terry on Feb 22, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very few miles on his legs ??
I'm not going to bad mouth Newman anymore..seeing that I think he's great as well...cetainly not the best in the league...but he's very good...anyhow...
He will be 30 when the Dallas Cowboys open up the '08 season...He has had chronic, foot, knee, and ankle problems for the past few years now...
so for you to say his legs are fresh...is way off base.
He's been playing ball since he was a kid, just like every other 30 year old DB in the league.... got it now ?
Would I like to see him play here the next 3 years...sure...but at what price ??...
If he is the BEST in the league, as you contend...
Do you really think Jerry is looking to pay him 12 million dollars a year for any length of time ??? Hell no..Cuz 12 million dollars a year is what the best CB in the league will warrant.
He will be franchised after this season...write it down..Then he'll either sign some home team discount...or he'll be gone...write it down too...
This is why it's this teams utmost priority to sign a top quality CB right now...as in DeAngelo Hall...right now..or we end up paying 12 million dollars next year for Trufant or Asomugha....watch......you'll see.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 22, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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