Rosenhaus keeping cowboys busy!
by TrueBlue24 on Feb 23, 2008 7:36 PM CST
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PrintHas super agent drew Rosenhaus been spending alot of time talking with the cowboys?
http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl
According to KFFL.com rosenhaus reports that after working out Zach thomas' deal with Dallas he's been in negotiations with dallas regarding MBIII and Contract extension for TO
I think this is great news that the boys are talking extensions with Two of our best offensive threats. Hopefully we can getr extensions for both of these guys!
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I think its a huge mistake
to extend T.O at this point, he still has a year left on his contract, take a wait and see approach, same with Barber, he'll be locked up for one more year since he's tendered at a first and a third, if he proves his worth next year as a lead back, which I highly doubt, then sign him later in the season, I dont think the cowboys should be in a rush to sign these guy to extended contracts. Jerry made that mistake already with Williams.
its not a mistake, its very smart
T.O. will remain the best WR in the league for at 2 or 3 more years and he's proved to be very happy and a team player when he's paid well knowing the team wants him.
Its all about making this man happy and Jerry has been brilliant in doing that. I'd make the exact same deal with him that he did back in 2006.
TO has a huge cap number
Extending his with a big signing bonus and low base salary could free up cap space to go after some of our other targets.
philly gave T.O. a big signing bonus
where did that get them, nothing but a headache...
Got any other old news you
would like to regurgitate? We gave TO a big signing bonus and what did it get us? This is not what they were talking about when they say to recycle yesterdays newspapers.
we gave him three one year deals
And it keeps his cap number big
I think TO has proven he has turned the proverbial emotional corner. He is not as a big of a risk as he was when we first signed him. He could go to any of 31 other teams now when we were the only ones willing to give him a second chance 2 years ago.
because he's a big risk
dont get suckerd into his recent good boy act, he's thirty four, you dont tie up big money in an aging receiver, and his agent isn't going to accept roster bonuses every year, he'll want upfront money only, and he's shown, once he gets that, his attitude changes. We're going to be eating terry Glenn's money this year because I doubt he'll be back, aging players get injured anf their production drops off drasticaly. New Engand doesn't tie up big money in aging players, they move on and thats why they're winning every year.
Randy Moss?
You know he'll be re-signed.
TO's gotta know he's past the point where he can shoot for a long term deal. I think he'll take the same kind of deal he signed 2 years ago. A series of one year deals camouflaged in an apparent 3 year deal.
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but why must it be done now
why is it such a big deal to ge tit done now, if he wants to stray here, then Jerry would be smart to wait until atleast thanksgiving to sign him to a two year extension, but I wouldn't give him anymore than that. He wont get a better deal from any other team after next year, he'll be thirty five and other teams would only sign him to a base/incentive laden deal then.
I was under the impression
that re-doing TO's contract was to free up more room under the cap, and secure him for a few more seasons.
I might be one of those "sucked", but I went from being a TO basher, to believing he really likes his relationship with the Cowboys, especial Jerry Jones and Tony Romo.
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it could free up some cap money
His disposition all depends on the Pod my friends. If the Pod is strong, then the Player will thrive.
by Dave Halprin on Feb 23, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Nice!
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
What! Could Gossage be wrong
after telling us for 10 years that the eaglets are the best run franchise in the NFL? Wow! Who knew?
well said Tom.....get a grip man''..
He is restructuring NOW so WE can Sign Flo, MBII, and Canty....can't you read between the lines ????????????????????
That's what TEAM players do...Romo will be restructuring his deal soon as well...you gonna give that a hard time ?
TO would command more money than Randy Moss right now, he's 35 and in better shape than anyone in the league. Base/incentive laden deal ???..
yeah Base salary of 7,000,000 and a bonus of 3,000,000...........whew...count 10mm against the cap each year
...not the way to do it....just ask Arizona how they're doing with Fitzgerald right now.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure if Romo can re-structure yet
NFL players are only allowed to re-structure their contracts once in a calendar year. Since Romo just signed in the fall, he probably isn't allowed to re-structure yet.
by Dave Halprin on Feb 23, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
you got info on that Grizz ?..cuz i believe .....
I believe it's once per season..not calendar year. but who knows....do what you do good (info king)...I have already read that it's in the works....is the only reason I brought it up....
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Collective Bargining Agreement
ARTICLE XXIV
GUARANTEED LEAGUE-WIDE SALARY,
SALARY CAP, & MINIMUM TEAM SALARY
Section 9. Renegotiations and Extensions:
(a) Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows:
(i) The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.
There it is
Thanks DeRat
by Dave Halprin on Feb 23, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
But the base salary can decrease?
We know from recent court and master decisions that bonuses are not salary. So more bonus and less salary might qualify which is what usually happens in a restructure.
Agree thats normally the case
The Team will restructure to give more bonus to reduce base salary.
For brevity sake I didn't include all of the subsections under "Section 9. Renegotiations and Extensions:" Here's an additional subsection.
(e) An amendment to a Player Contract that changes the terms under which Signing Bonus is paid is a renegotiation.
Also, I have found 3 different definitions of "salary" in the CBA. Different sections have their own qualifiers as to what constitutes "salary". For Team Salary (for purposes of CAP calculations) and top 5 and top 10 players salaries (for calculation of Franchise Tags) bonus proration counts as "salary".
P.S. Haven't seen you post in a while. Hope your doing well.
yeah, lets go the same route as the Skins
rework contracts every year, push the money down the road, and end up 23 million over the cap at years end, like the Skins...
Hmm, what other team had 23 million of dead money on their cap, oh yeah, the Dallas cowboys of the late ninties, the Jerry Jones 5-11 run dallas cowboys, restructure contracts every year, thats a winning formula...NOT!!
hahaha,....your killin' me..
one contract we are extending, the largest one on our roster....i remind you....,.what is the problem ?
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
what contract are you going to restructure
next year when Newman's contact is up, and then Ware's, try not to be focused on one year, it doesn't work that way.
at the end of this year...
Possible contracts that will be off our '09 roster:
R Williams-cut- savings over 5,000,000
J Ferguson-cut- savings over 4,000,000
T Glenn-cut- savings over 5,000,000
A Ayodele-traded or cut- savings over 4,000,000
A Henry-traded or cut- savings over 5,000,000
B Johnson-cut- savings over 2,000,000possibly:
Carpenter-traded or playing or cut-
Spears-traded or playing or cut-possible savings- over 5,000,000
Total possible savings after this season:
$$$$$$ 30,000,000 $$$$$$
With prorated bonuses being spread over '09 & '10 or...all bonuses in '09- no more than $ 10,000,000 combined. Would give us nearly 20,000,000 freed up cap space to do anything Jerry wants to do ......
That is the reason this has to be done now..so we can sign MBIII & Canty...This would leave TO as our only player over thirty, and all our key components locked into cap friendly contracts....unlike all the crap contracts list above.
We are looking to get rid of crap contracts...
'09 Free Agents:
Newman- franchised, reduced salary, or free agent
Columbo- signed or free agent
and ??..
'10 Free Agent:
Ware...signed to multi million dollar contract...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Are these blockquotes from other sources?
They don't look like it, if they aren't why are you blockquoting them? We use blockquotes as an easy way for other readers to identify outside sources or previously written material on the blog.
by Dave Halprin on Feb 23, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I use them to prioritize my statements...
otherwise i would have provided a link....lol...you know me Grizz..
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
Good points, Boyz...
Gotta confess, sorry... but I overlooked the contracts of players that'll come off the books.
That's why these message boards are a great way to help others see the bigger picture [include me in the "others" category].
Yeah, rather than model the NE method...
... do we want to venture down Snyder way and go the route of the Skins?!?!
I would hate to see our Beloved Cowboys slide through that downward spiral and venture into salary cap hell again.
Deke's points are valid.
MB3, Canty are issues for this season.
Newman and Ware will be next season's issues.
The Patriots have been the most successful team of this decade for a number of reasons... and one of them includes how they plan and manage their personnel and cap issues.
The King needs to pattern our model after them.
When was the last time we won a playoff game again?
sorry silver...but you two gotta gewt wid it...
focus on one year ????????????????
Can someone here please help me with this ??? Tom, Grizz, anybody...
We are in the process of offering an extention to Terrell Owens...by far and away the most integral part of our pursuit to win a Super Bowl...
By doing this negotiation now, it would negate and eliminate his current '08 cap hit from 7 million dollars, to a more cap friendly extention where the bonus can be adjusted over the length of the extention...thus making THIS '08 cap hit substantially lower than the current 7 million dollar hit...AND it would free up current money to furnish offers to Canty and MBII..and possibly Flo...
What in the world is so darn hard to understand about this ???
Do you people actually think this is TO's last year here ???...hell no..He'll be here at least 2-3 more years. I assure you he will be in attendance when Jerry opens his up his 1.1 billion dollar stadium in '09.
Do you people think we have a snowballs chance in hell of ever winning a Super Bowl WITHOUT Terrell Owens ???
If we don't sign TO to an extention I can assure you, we are going to be maybe the 2nd, or 3rd best team in our DIVISION...if we're lucky...
He is what makes this offense work...period...or do you wanna try Crayton and Hurd as our starting WR's....LMFAO
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
They haven't won in a few years now....
And now they have no receivers or cornerbacks on their roster.....not a good model of how to do things.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
yea, they only win playoff games
every year and get to AFC championship games and superbowls, I guess thats a real burden, unlike the cowboys, when was the last time we won a playoff game!!!
he's only 34 chronologically Deke
in reality he has the body of a 28 or 29 year old.
I said after next season
he'll be 35 when and if he's a free agent, and how you think he's in reality 28-29 is nonsense, spoken by somene who is a young pup, when T.O.'s thrity five, he'll feel thirty five, not 28-29, he'll wish he was 28-29..
it isn't nonsense, its the truth
nobody conditions their body better than T.O. plus he has great genes, Ask his personal trainer, he said T.O. could play until he's 38 or 39 at a high level very easily.
Jerry Rice did it, so it can be done.
TO's mentor did
Jerry Rice taught TO how to take care of his body. and TO has better genes then Jerry. Jerry played at a high level up into his forties. TO will play well for a few more years.
You guys are forgetting
The most important factor in TO's longevity and health
http://www.hypertc.com/athletic_spor...
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm, the personal trainer is paid by T.O
gee, I'm sure the trainer wouldn't lie, what would he gain by telling the truth, that maybe T.O isn't as young as he once was, oh yeah, a paycheck!!!!!!
do you believe every piece of crap that comes out of these coaches, trainers and players.. 10% is true, the rest is a smoke screen..
let's put it this way....Deke...
without TO we would not have even made the playoffs...
There is not one player in this league that was more important to his team than TO.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
@#$%# <---is the amount of sense Terry makes.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 24, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
c'mon Deke ???..where do you come up with that ?
This is TO '08.....not Philly guy...would think you'd understand that by now. He isn't here for the money..he's here because he's respected here, he's needed here, he's loved here, and he is family here...Philly was always McNabb's town...and McNabb single handedly blew that Super Bowl...and TO stood up and called him out..TO worked his brains out trying to do whatever he could possible do to help them win a SB....same as which he did this year for us.....so show the man the respect he deserves. !!!!!!!
due to TO's heartfelt passion and genuine commitment to this team, his team mates, and dallas Cowboy fans......he's actually become my favorite Cowboy....this is not the TO of old...trust.
and i used to hate him more than anyone.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
T.O cares about one thing
and one thing only, HIMSELF!!!
please, if you think T.O. would rather win a superbowl and have three catches for 33 yards or lose it and have 10 catches for 156 yards, he'll take the latter, as your buddy Bill would say, consider yourself sucked!!
geeez.,,what crawled up ur azz...
cuz that stuff your talkin' sure stinks.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
Impatient...glad to see we're on same page...
This would be awesome...actually might free up enough to get Flo signed.
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
excellent move to extend TO...
Instead of counting 7+ million against our cap in'08, he can extend it, get a 7 million bonus spread out over the length of contract, with a low base, with roster bonuses...gotta love Stevie Jones....
MBIII would be a good deal to get done too...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 7:50 PM CST reply actions
all I know is
I'd love to have one tenth of Rosenhaus' commission on these three contracts...HaHa!
I think it would be great to free up some money and garantee that TO remains a COWBOY!
Same with MBIII
Hey guys....the silly season is getting kinda exciting....
Yep
This has to be a new record for posts during a non-game day.
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Oh no
Draft day is the most insane day...it's out of control
by Dave Halprin on Feb 23, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about that
We might be crashing some servers this year.
by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
LOL.....It's like kids in a candy store...
playing with our game boards..oppss..i mean draft boards...
by BoyzRback07 on Feb 23, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
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