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Flozell Adams signs with Cowboys

The DMN blog reports:

The Cowboys just announced that they've inked LT Flozell Adams to a long-term deal.

Woo hoo!!!!

We rock!

Update [2008-2-28 20:54:24 by Dave Halprin (Grizz)]: From ESPN:

According to a team source, the Dallas Cowboys re-signed the four-time Pro Bowl left tackle Thursday to a six-year deal worth more than $42 million with $15 million in guaranteed money over the first three years of the contract, ESPN's Ed Werder reported.

If that's true then it's not that bad of a deal. Only $15 million in guaranteed money over the first three years? I don't know, I really want to see the year-by-year on this deal.

Hat tip to Longhorn for posting the news here.

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Sweet

Now who's left besides Reeves and Bullet?

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by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2008 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Flo is a beast

Best Olineman we've had here in a really long time.

by Longhorn on Feb 28, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah baby...

that's what i'm talkin' bout....good stuff...

by Tuna Helper on Feb 28, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That rocks!

just heard it on ESPN...
shoulda known grizz would be all over it!

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Okay haters.

Okay everybody who was sayin "good riddance" a couple of days ago. Come on and tell us how mad you are that he's re-signed.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Good timing.

Right below you. You must have just posted that after I started typing.

Let him who hath understanding Reckon the number of the beast For it is a human number, it's number is 31.

by no1cowboysfan on Feb 28, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't good news...

Flo was looking for a monster deal in FA. That means Jerry must have really shelled out big to keep Flo. And Flo, while still alright for an o-lineman (age-wise), is still getting old and is likely to regress.

Anyone else think it's a little intriguing that Flo decides to play hard for every game (instead of his usual 8-10) THIS season during his contract year?

I'm sorry, but I've been on the fence about bringing back Flo, but now I see I really didn't want to see him back.

We are going to have NO cap space ... I'll be surprised if we make it through our draft picks without having to cut multiple vets.

I'm guessing Ferg and Glenn get cut sooner rather than later.

Let him who hath understanding Reckon the number of the beast For it is a human number, it's number is 31.

by no1cowboysfan on Feb 28, 2008 6:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree no1cowboy

Sure..i like knowing the unknown...now we have a true vet manning our LT spot....but at what cost ?...

This keeps us from signing MBIII long term?

This keep us from getting Canty signed ?

Does this prohibit us from going after a FA WR,CB in free agency ?

Does this squader hopes of trading for a high talent DL, CB, or WR prior to season's start ?

Does this mean next year we'll still be in cap limbo, asking ourselves the same questions i'm asking now ?

Does this mean drafting Free, Martin, and MaQuistan was just a waste of time and valuable draft choices?

As much as I like the signing of Flo...I was more excited about playing our home grown talent and saving 40+ million dollars that surely can have been used to sure up areas of pressing need. OT not being one of them.

I'm not going to denounce the signing...but i'm not going to be happy about the long term ramifications either.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know this was a MONSTER deal

Flozell could have been looking to stay in a place he is familiar with, knows he has a chance to win a championship with....

He may have chosen to go the big man route.

You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small.

by Brandon Worley on Feb 28, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now that i think about it

Jerry may have snookered flo!
think about it.
Jerry proclaimed he was going to let flo test the market.
Jerry said he wanted the market to set the rate.
then all of the sudden,flo caves in(i'm guessing here) and resigns,thinking if he didn't get a good offer,it would lower Jerry's offer.....

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by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

6 years, 43 mil

...constitutes a monster deal.

Fiddlesticks.

Let him who hath understanding Reckon the number of the beast For it is a human number, it's number is 31.

by no1cowboysfan on Feb 28, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heard on Serius

it was a 6 year deal for Flozell which means he won't see more than 3 years more than likely. I think we just blew our wad on this one. With this and tendering MB3 and Canty our cap situation is dismal.

I think this move was a bad move from a salary cap stand point and handcuffed the organization from going out and adding from FAs. The only way I can see us active in the FA market now is if we do some major restructuring of contracts and cutting a few players.

I think we needed to role with some of the younger guys here. What a waste of a 4th round pick Free appears to be now. I don't want to see one more lineman drafted for a few years or I'll flip.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Feb 28, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not wishing any kind of doom

But as high a risk of injury as this sport is, you just never know what could happen.

When you said...

What a waste of a 4th round pick Free appears to be now.

... I wouldn't necessarily say that, 81.

He had outstanding reviews out of college and had a good TC last season.  And if something ever happens to Flo -- God forbid -- it's good to have someone like Free on our roster... from a depth standpoint.

Romo has only been a starter for about a year and a half... and maintaining stability on the O-line is paramount to his continued development.

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by kcbrett5 on Feb 28, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why do you feel drafting Free was a waste??

that doesn't make sense to me because you always need good backups who can come in and play in a pinch or if the worse case scenario happens, all season.

Free provides great insurance in case Flo gets hurt. The only way I could see the your argument is if Free was a high first rd pick, but he wasn't.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 7:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok Terry....so your on board with drafting a QB

In the fourth round ...right ?

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 29, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

QB situation is different boyz

The QB situation is different than OT because there are a lot of street FAs out there who we could sign very cheap and would become a great backup to Romo. Two guys just cut the other day, Kelly Holcomb and David Carr, would be great backups.

The street FAs at OT are absolutely horrendous so we really needed to draft someday in that regard if we want quality depth at that position.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not concur

Carr was awful last season and hell, one of our own QB castoffs Matt Moore was starting ahead of him by the end of the season.  I watched Holcomb a good bit last year and he was quite terrible also.  If those are the best street FA's at QB we can bring in, I'd rather just stick with Brad Johnson.

by Jamie on Feb 29, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think as starters they are terrible, but

as backups who can come in and play for a little bit if Romo is nicked up, I think they are more than adequate.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

forget nicked up...how bout torn ACL ???

would that change your stance ?..If we drafted a really good 3rd back up,(Johnson,Brennan,Dixon,Booty)at a salary about 300,000 to be groomed for a year or two, behind a seasoned veteran(Volek,Lemon)at over 2 million, then turn over the 2nd string back up role to the selected QB

..as opposed to turnstile revolving door of
has beens, or never were's ?

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 29, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you Boyz

But then you have to keep 3 QB's on the roster...or you'll run into the problem we experienced last year with moore not clearing waivers.

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 29, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If that happens, our season is over no matter

who we have backing up Romo. The fact is when you have a superstar QB like Romo making 10 mil per year, you can only afford cheap backups, thats just the reality of the situation.

Look at the Pats and Indy, the have 2 superstar QBs as well making tons of money and have to employ 2 scrubs in Matt Cassell and Jim Sorgi as their backups.

In todays cap structure, if you pay a franchise QB like a franchise QB, your backup qb is going to suck, there is no way around it. You just have to pray your franchise QB doesn't get hurt, which is why signing Flo was absolutely imperative.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm thrilled

he's more valuable to this team than most people give him credit for.  besides being an excellent lineman, he helps make the guys on both sides of the ball better.  d-ware owes much of his improvement to picking the brain of both ellis and adams.  good move.

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by oneinsider on Feb 28, 2008 6:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know the figures BUT...

It is a 6 year deal
for a 33 year olf LT
who had an acl 2 years ago
don't get me wrong...I love having Flo back
as does tony romo i'm sure!
But thats a long contract!

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 6:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just saw that...

it better be one of those deals that really inflates in the later years and is not overly-loaded with guaranteed money. Or else, I won't be happy and we won't rock.

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll still ROCK Grizz...

we just won't have any beer money...

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO Grizz.....I have the same taste in my mouth.

It better be why it's a 6 year back loaded with low bonus up front.....

refer to my previous ...

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well if there isn't a cap in 2011...

it would allow them to cut him then if necessary and the accelerated cap hit wouldn't matter. Not that I'm betting that there won't be an agreement worked out by then.

by nonotmenever on Feb 28, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure...
I want to be happy about re-signing Flozell. I really do. It's got to be the best short-term move to keep Romo on his feet, and thus, the Cowboys offense rolling.

But I'm concerned about this one. For one thing, Jones doesn't have much sense of financial restraint, and if he spent BIG on Adams, where is it going to hurt us later? A second concern is that we just drafted 2 OTs last year. Why bother if your plan was to re-sign Flozell?

I'm probably over-reacting right now. But my concern is that Jones is better as "getting his man" than he is at building a team. And if the former makes it difficult (or impossible) to do the latter, we'll all be sorry.

by preacher on Feb 28, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good write up preacher...well said...
True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you underestimate Jerry

With the most profitable club in all of pro sports he has proven to be an astute businessman. Who else can build a $1.1 billion stadium?

I don't know what the numbers are for Flo but a year ago most here were saying Jerry went off the deep end to get Bigg. With Flo signed for 6 years the youngsters can develop and compete for RT and backup. After seeing a year in the toilet when Flo went down for his knee injury I am glad we have some strength behind the starters.

by lee3022 on Feb 28, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Lee

Jones had to do this, he has spent too much time and money building this team to let it start losing valuable pieces now.  I bet this contract is a good one for the cowboys and doesn't sentence them to salary cap hell if something bad happens.

by Billito on Feb 28, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...

the Jets/Giants?  The LA Jaguars? =)

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by GhettoBear04 on Feb 28, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hail Jerry Jones

Really glad to see Flo coming back, though hopefully the 'six year deal' is at least semi-team friendly.  I'm a bit nervous the length of the deal is to help keep the signing bonus value per year low, but I highly doubt he'll be here for the length of the deal...

by Jamie on Feb 28, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Paramaters will be interesting

I am generally happy about this too, but I am wondering where the money is coming from.  I'm guessing that we'd better win a championship in the next few years, because cap hell might await a few years down the road.

I'm happy because I think our picks will be enough to give this team the talent infusion it needs, and this group as presently constituted (with a good young CB added to the mix) can take us to the promised land.  As for Marten and Free, maybe Columbo doesn't get a new deal now...

by grapejoos on Feb 28, 2008 6:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Okay Everybody.

Raise your hand if you would rather head into camp with Doug Free, James Marten, and a 2008 draft pick battling it out for the right to protect Tony Romo's blindside.

(Crickets)

Okay raise your hand if you would rather see Leonard Davis holdin down that LT spot.

(Crickets, Crickets)

Bottom line, good move.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Next year

Does this lessen our chances of resigning Colombo?  Of course, we have no idea about next year's cap, so I am just speculating.

Still on the fence about Flo till I see contract details.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Feb 28, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Salary cap???

Maybe Jerry is banking on having a couple uncapped years as recent rumors have been saying?  Also, won't a lot of cap money free up next year with Roy Williams being cut or forced to redo his deal (something has to give with #31)?

If I am wrong on both of these, then Kosier, Ferg,  and Glenn better start packing.

"How bout them Cowboys!"

by dukes27 on Feb 28, 2008 6:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

19 million dollars....

HaHa
Not for Flo...I wish...
but I didn't know this about zach thomas' deal

The Cowboys actually signed Thomas to a four-year, $19 million deal, which did include the $1 million signing bonus. That means with a first-year base of $1 million and the $1 million signing bonus now prorated over four years, his 2008 cap figure is $1.25 million. And it's my understanding easily-achieved playing incentives will void the deal after one year, which means if he does, then he will only cost the Cowboys another $750,000 against the cap - plus possible incentive pay - the next season. So again, from a salary cap standpoint, the Cowboys are forfeiting very little to bring Thomas aboard, and this low cap cost certainly will not prevent the Cowboys from acquiring either a veteran or rookie cornerback with talent

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cf...

From a cap standpoint it sounds good but would an injury kick in the rest of that contract?

when I see the words Zach thomas and $19 million in the same sentence it makes me queasy....

still waiting for the figures on flo though....

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by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

see..i knew it....Thomas in a good deal...

that's a basement bottom deal right there...

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft picks

They must not be confident that someone off the bench can handle the job, but a six year deal, I don't know about that.  Just have too see the numbers.

by constwrker on Feb 28, 2008 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it is of the Zach Thomas variety

If the numbers are loaded right, it could be good.  You have to wonder, though.  Some team would have made Flo a huge offer.

by grapejoos on Feb 28, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking

Flo didn't want to really leave but he told his agent to hold out until the last minute to get the best deal he could out of Jerry. He didn't want to be tempted with a big offer in free agency because he might actually have taken it. He didn't want to uproot his life, he just wanted to finish in Dallas. That's my guess.

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Grizz
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by Mullin on Feb 28, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good guess Grizz...that's exactly how I feel..

He did say all along that he wanted to finish his career here....and I must applaud him.

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I imagine you're right

but I think Flozell would rather stay in, and around an environment he's comfortable with, he doesn't come across as one of those guys that spends money wildly on big ticket items, thats why I dont think money was the biggest issue for him on this deal, that was proabaly more to do with his new agent trying to get him a bigger deal.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Feb 28, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

probably more of a two or three year deal

with a huge roster bonus after the third year, six year deal, but actually three at the most the cowboys can stomach.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Feb 28, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

Jerry didn't overpay

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by Mullin on Feb 28, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You would have thought

that Jerry would know this was big news and announced the details at the time of the signing.

by constwrker on Feb 28, 2008 7:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Flo wanted to stay

Of course he says this now, but maybe he did take a home team discount:

"I'm just really happy to be here," Adams told the team's Web site. Asked if he considered leaving Dallas, he added, "Nope. Not at all."

We're happy you're staying too, Flo.

Another tidbit I didn't know:

While offensive coordinator Jason Garrett likely will be as happy as Romo that this deal is done, special teams coaches can celebrate, too -- Adams has blocked a club-record four extra points in his career. He's also blocked three field goals.

both quotes from:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...

by grapejoos on Feb 28, 2008 7:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great news

I'd put the chances that Flo gets through six years here at about 10%, but I'd love to see him finish his career a Cowboys. He's an all-pro left tackle, and those don't grow on trees. Without him, I wouldn't feel anywhere near the same degree of confidence about our offense. An offensive line is built on stability and cohesion. With Hudson Houck in the mix and everyone in for the long haul (Flo is the oldest member of the line, and he should have at the very least three productive seasons left)this offensive line should stay good for a very long time.
Now, if it turns out that this is a 60 million dollar deal with 30 mil guaranteed, I'm not going to be too pleased. But I trust Jerry and co. to have made the right decision here.

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by BudLight on Feb 28, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Flo' Deal

The details from an espn just reported that it is a 6-year deal worth 42 million, 15 million guranteed.

by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2008 7:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not too bad at all
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by BudLight on Feb 28, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only $15 million guranteed?

That's not bad at all, I would like to see the year-by-year breakdowns but if only $15 million is guaranteed, we could get out of it pretty easily down the road.

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ughh..

for a 33 yr old lineman that has 2, maybe 3 years left.

Were going to pay out some dead money for a long time on this contract.

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by Cowboys81 on Feb 28, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only $15 million guaranteed over 3 years

How do you figure we'll be paying dead money over a long time?

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree Grizz..this is a good deal...
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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

agree bossman.

This is a very solid deal, good job on both sides to get this done quickly and very efficiently economic wise.

by Longhorn on Feb 28, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

15M guaranteed over the first three years, that doesn't mean there isn't more guaranteed money in the contract (i.e. signing bonus that would extend beyond 3 yrs).  There could still be a decent cap hit after 3 years, but even so, this looks like a pretty solid deal so long as Houck can keep him motivated.

by Jamie on Feb 28, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Signing Bonus Proration

Yes, any signing bonus will be prorated over the length of the contract.  So your right, IF there is a signing bonus, there will be proration after the 3rd year.

But the Devil is in the details.

15 mil in the first 3 years....Hmm..sounds like roster bonus perhaps. Otherwise, if the 15 mil was due to an equal bonus proration (5 mil/yr) why not announce a 30 mil signing bonus.

Hopefully the signing bonus was 6 million (1 mil/yr) with roster bonus of 3 mil/yr, each of the first 3 years.

If so, that would leave 27 mil of salary over 6 years.  The CBA allows a maximum 30% salary increase per year (to limit the backloading of contracts). If Flo agreed to the minimum allowable first year salary (then a 30% increase each year through the remaining 5 years), the 2008 salary would be 2.12 million.

So 4 mil roster/bonus + 2.12 salary = 6.12 CAP hit.

But I think this is wishfull thinking.  I doubt Flo was this friendly to the Boys.

by DeRat on Feb 28, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I'm waiting

for the details, so far it doesn't sound bad but I really need to see how this is structured.

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by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just saw

on nfl network that Andre Davis resigned w/Houston, that is another potential receiver off the board. I really liked the idea of signing someone like him since he would have been an immediate upgrade at kick returner. Thats fine though I'll take Eddie Royal if we can draft him.

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by jls2223 on Feb 28, 2008 7:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

you'd pay over 4mil/year for Davis?..hell no..

they said he would have gotten over 5 mil on the open market....way..tooo much...stick with a rookie burner like Eddie royal...for 350,000 a year....

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by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean...

no Michael Turner or other significant free agents?

dum dum diddy!

by jsams on Feb 28, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Most likely

I don't expect much activity in the FA market.  Guys are going to get paid waaaaay too much in FA.  There are too many guys out there with little experience or impact and too many teams with big cap space.  Maybe Jerry can pull some cap magic, but I'd expect to see us go into the draft, take a CB and RB in the first, and go from there.  

Put it to you this way: the 2nd best RB in FA is Julius Jones.  Turner's going to get a big deal to start somewhere.

by grapejoos on Feb 28, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

correct

My guess is we don't even have cap room currently to sign our draft picks.  It would not surprise me to see some veterans released so we can sign some low lvl FA's to compensate for some of the people who will be leaving.  JJ's done that a lot over the past five years so he's not completely forced to draft a certain position.

by Jamie on Feb 28, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

it was a three year 16 mill. w/ 8 guaranteed, that is not that bad a deal, but u r right i def. like the idea of just using our draft picks to fill our needs instead of free agency. As long as we are signing our own big free agents like w/flo

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by jls2223 on Feb 28, 2008 8:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bad, Bad Move
The NFL is a youngs man game. you dont pay players for past performance.

The eagles, the pats do this better than anyone else. They let 30 something veterans leave in FA and get big bucks elsewhere.

so what if pat mcQ and free develop, then what? move mcq to LG over kosier and free to RT over colombo?

thats the only benefit i can see to this.

by MysterD on Feb 28, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

exactly what I was thinking

At least regarding Free, I think there's a very good chance he's going to take over at RT probably after this season, possibly even pushing Columbo in camp.  

by Jamie on Feb 28, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong on all levels

First the Cowboys are the second youngest team in the league behind Green Bay.  So I don't thing our signing of Flozell is a reflection of our whole approach to "a youngs man game".  The eagles just plain suck and have had two years of real personnel problems to show for their approach.  In all fairness they did sign Jon Runyun, at age 33 to a three year deal, so I can't say they are dedicated to throwing out all of their 30+ players.  I dunno, maybe they knew Winson Justice would allow Osi 8 sacks in one game and just didn't want bring him in too soon ... and allow like 15 sacks.

As for the pats, basically they are the oldest team in the NFL.  They are a great team but Vrabel is 33, Bruschi is 35, Covell is 30, Moss is 31 (just signed), A. Thomas is 31 (signed last year), Harrison is 36 and Seau is 38.  Evidently nobody has told the pats they don't keep players over 30 since those players have been the core of their team for the past two seasons.  Just FYI, Brady will turn 31 this year.  Think he will get cut?

by JJshairgel on Feb 28, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And...

Pats re-signed Bruschi today.

This is only a bad move if our young guys are ready to start at LT.  I trust the internal decision that they are not, and I trust the Joneses not to foul up the cap too much.

I think we know which way Jerry is voting regarding the possibility of upcoming uncapped years!

by grapejoos on Feb 28, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

I think Jerry thought with his heart on this one and in the end it's going to cost us. 18 mil guaranteed no matter how you slice will have to be paid out.

Like you said teams like the Eagles and Pats knew when it was time to let the old high priced players walk and give the young players an opportunity to start. That's the point of drafting. I have a bad feeling were going to take a bath on this contract. This by far was a bad move when MB3 and Canty were more important to get extentions IMO.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Feb 29, 2008 12:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats just not true

Like you said teams like the Eagles and Pats knew when it was time to let the old high priced players walk and give the young players an opportunity to start. That's the point of drafting.

The pats have one of the oldest defences in the league.

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 29, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got news for you, Pats or Philly would never

allow an all pro LT walk either.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thats not true MysterD regarding the OL

those big heavies are in their prime after 30 and can play well into their 30s. You can be old and very effective as an OL.

I think its a young mans game on defense and at RB, but OL, I disagree.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 7:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is excellent news.

All things considered I like where we are at.

On issues of CAP I do trust Steven.  I don't think he would hamstring us if signing Flozell would hold us back too much. But, even if this does hold us back a bit I think we need to keep in mind we have 13 pro bowlers and all of them, along with ALL of the rest of our starters, will be returning next season.  More importantly, all will be healthy at the start of training camp. Even without all of the pro bowlers, I have to wonder how many teams can say that? (I guess you could make a case for Keith Davis being a starter but not returning)  We can't have everything but all teams, including the pats, have weaknesses.

At this point I like our chances of signing a second tier CB and drafting someone who has a lot of upside at that position.  That leaves backups at the RB position and WR. Both positions are well represented in this draft.  I also think we will need a new gunner on special teams but I am sure we will find somebody.

by JJshairgel on Feb 28, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree this is a good deal

for the cowboys.
42 mil...but
only 15 garanteed over 3 years!
good deal...keep our line together...and believe me Hudson houck will have this line performing better than ever!

Bring on the draft!

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Feb 28, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Think of it this way....

We basically gave Flo the $9MM Franchise Tag for 2008, and he rewarded Jerry by playing for just $3MM in 2009 and 2010.

There was a lot of talk early about slapping the franchise tag on Flo.  Although most were against the $9MM price tag, we got a deal that averages just $5MM a year for the first three years.

This deal was WAY under market value.  Hats off to JJ!!

by Fargo Cowboys on Feb 28, 2008 9:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Still Salary to deal with

The 15 mil over the first 3 yrs was the Garanteed money (Signing bonus, roster bonus ?).

There will still be salary in the first 3 years.  We will have to wait to see the exact details.  I suspect the 2008 CAP hit to be at least 6+ million.

Still far better than the franchise tag.

by DeRat on Feb 28, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Colombo

Free may take Colombo's spot in '09. But that will be a purely financial decision. Colombo is rock solid over there on that right side. He may be our best lineman.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

heck if Flo stays, so should Columbo.,It's Kosier

Kosier is the guy who better start looking behind him...With MaQ...Free, and possibly Marten getting a look at LG...

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Feb 28, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You do realize...

that Kosier is the best at getting to the second level on pull runs or screens, right?  Probably because he's the lightest....I'm just pointing this out.

"It was a 4-yard run taking the scenic route." -Joe Buck on Romo's Run

by GhettoBear04 on Feb 28, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's somewhat valid....but...

WHEN, he get's out on pulls and screens, his responsibility is to release the man across from him.....which he does too well...especially when he is in the middle trying to block these guys...He's a liability in the interior run game, and gets blown off the line with power pass rushers up the middle...so if your basing his value strickly on his ability to run to the outside to engage on coming defenders....sure.....but any lineman can pull...i doubt his 40 times are any better than another lineman....Look for him to be challenged hard core in camp...He isn't as good as people think...servicable..sure...but in no means is his job safe...I'm looking for MaQ, and even Marten has been mentioned as a possible change to guard...we need a mauler at LG( which should be addressed in the draft)....not some finesse player like Kosier...

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Feb 29, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

one nitpick on your comment

agree with most of your comments and even agree that i'd rather have a mauler at LG (Nate Newton).  Though 'any lineman can pull', not every lineman is good at it.  It does take skill to move a big body and not just get to the right spot, but to actually make a good and effective block, and sometimes even to pick the right guy to block.  Kosier grades high in this skill...

That being said, i'd rather go for a roadgrader because you can the simplify your running and just beat people up.  :)

by Scoobay on Feb 29, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your right there....

i'd rather go for a roadgrader because you can the simplify your running and just beat people up.  :)

that is what Kosier isn't....therefore an upgrade is needed....Branden Albert in this years draft would be a serious solution to our problem.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Feb 29, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Albert will never get past Pittburgh at #23

I'd rather draft one of the stud CBs at #22 if available.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 29, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is awesome news!!!
Way to go Jerry, I knew you were morphing into a great GM. Great Job!

It was absolutely imperative that we keep Flo who is an elite LT and deserved to be paid as such. We absolutely needed to keep our line together.

We lose Flo, we're simply not as good next year plain and simple. Best signing of the year by far and away.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 28, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good signing

FLOZELL ADAMS' CAREER STATISTICS

Year G-GS Pen-Yds False starts Holding Sacks allowed
1998 16-12 4-33 2 1 1 ½
1999 16-16 9-60 6 3 5
2000 16-16 6-45 3 0 5
2001 16-16 5-25 5 0 2 ½
2002 16-16 5-50 1 2 7 ½
2003 16-16 8-50 6 1 4 ½
2004 16-16 12-75 9 3 7 ½
2005 6-6 3-25 1 2 2
2006 16-16 6-35 5 1 7 ½
2007 16-16 14-95 9 5 3 ½

Not too bad really, especially considering he gave up less than one sack every four games this year. This also came in a division with some very good pass rushing DEs.

by ChrisRichey on Feb 29, 2008 12:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The best thing about those stats

Are the 16s in the Games columns.  2 full years after his knee injury and I think you can say it's not a problem anymore.  Knock on wood for the future, though.

by grapejoos on Feb 29, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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