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First Capers, now Gregg Williams - Jerry tries to corner the market

If you’re going to go after big names for your assistant coaches, you might as well interview them all. I’m not sure how the Cowboys plan to fit all these coaches on to the staff. Apparently, we’re still waiting on an answer from Dom Capers for an undefined position. But that hasn’t stopped Jerry from interviewing Gregg Williams; for what position, we don’t exactly know. The DMN article is here and the Star-T article is here. I guess at some point Jerry or Wade will come out and tell us what position we are hiring these guys for.

But BTB-regular Keynes has the quote of the day in reference to this story: "... anyone think Brian Stewart is having trouble sleeping these days?" Ha!

MysterD has a diary here.

Congrats to the New York Giants, the new Super Bowl champions. I was rooting for those guys to pull off the upset and they did. I admit that I’m taking a little too much pleasure in the Patriots blowing the perfect season. But there was just something about the smug way they approached things down the stretch that didn’t sit well with me. You have to hand it to the G-men though, they played some truly inspired football in the playoffs and knocked off some pretty good teams in the process.

Now only if the Cowboys could figure out how to close out a season the way the Giants did.

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hah.

I admit that I’m taking a little too much pleasure in the Patriots blowing the perfect season.

Too much pleasure? Impossible. This is comeuppance of epic proportions. They had it coming. This ranks right up there with the 2005 Mavericks in 'All-Time Championship Choke Jobs'. I'm overcome with an unbelievable level of glee.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson on Feb 3, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more
I think this is Karma coming back on them for cheating and basically nobody thinking anything of it. Belicheat won coach of the year in the same season that he cost his team a 1st round pick by cheating.

I cheered for a hated rival to win the Super Bowl. That tells you how classless this Patriots team was.

18-1.

So sweet.

by mhuff13 on Feb 4, 2008 1:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

This is some tasty schadenfreude.

The Massholes are quiet all of a sudden

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 4, 2008 5:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the Plax predicion

that the Patriots would lose and score 17 points turns out to be both prescient and pessimistic!

And Brady's response when told of Plax's prediction that 17 was ridiculous and maybe 42-40 would be more like it. Sorry Tom. The best offense in football met a better defense.

by lee3022 on Feb 4, 2008 3:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The pats lose; get people off Romo's back

The Pats didn't deserve to win from a moral standpoint.  With all the cheating they did or allegedly did, they deserved to lose, but not in a way that would make them feel good.  They deserved to go out the way they came in: They beat the Rams as huge underdogs and went out beat by massive underdogs.

The one thing that nobody has said is about Brady having Gisele at the game.  Is that the reason the Pats lost?  Are the Pats fans and media going to call for Gisele to stay away from football games from now on?  The answer is no.  Having a girlfriend at a game is no way distracting.  If anything, it's inspiring.

Just thought I'd share that seeing as it was such a big deal before our game with the Giants.

by futurecoach on Feb 4, 2008 1:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So does the trademark 19-0 and 19-0 the Perfect

Season get shelved for another 100 years? Not a good decision. Goes up there with the Dallas parade plans after 2 games of the NBA finals.

Maybe Jerry is interviewing Gregg Williams to get him to accept only a 1 year contract wherever he goes so next year if Garrett is the HC he has a DC ready to roll? Jerry does like to work players out even when he knows he won't sign them for future reference. Could it be the same for coaches? Seems to me like Coach Wade should also have some trouble sleeping.

by lee3022 on Feb 4, 2008 1:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

But i dont get it.

I dont know greg williams whole career as a coach but right now he coaches a 4-3. So will he try to change the team to that? It just doesnt fit to me. I dont like it haha

by thebigham on Feb 4, 2008 7:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is not necessarily a direction

I think the Cowboys should go but Coach Parcells had one version of the 3-4 and drafted players accordingly. Coach Phillips has another version of the 3-4 and drafted accordingly. Both defenses fell down somewhat at the end of the last two seasons. So it is not a total stretch to think that should Coach Phillips be relieved after next year then a 4-3 coach might be the kind of move Jerry Jones is famous for. We are moving that direction in seeking faster more athletic players over brute force and strength under Coach Phillips. The rules have changed and we must change as well. Apparently this is why Roy Williams is being exposed. Perhaps Bob Sanders exemplifies this best as the Defensive Player of the Year.

I don't think Jerry Jones is committed to any system and only wants to win now. And he holds both the purse strings and the decisions.

Now some of out more esteemed members may wish to rebut....

by lee3022 on Feb 5, 2008 3:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Samuel

I remember commenting to a friend about how Asante Samuel was just smiling and and acting very easy going about his dropped INT on that last drive and saying that it would come back to bite him, and be damned if it didn't. Supposedly the best corner in the game could have sealed it for his team and choked instead...

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Feb 4, 2008 5:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Asante mistimed his jump

He's probably reliving this one as we speak.  That miss came right before the miracle escape/throw.

One play changed the course of the comeback and the Pats dynasty bid.

Hate to agree with him but Skip Bayless had it right.

That play meant the difference of Eli the King, and Eli the Goat, as a pick would have tarnished him image....

by oldtimer on Feb 4, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know I've said it a million times, but

its not how you start, its how you finish, not only during games, but during seasons as well.

It should have been the Cowboys winning that game last night and Romo being crowned MVP, not the Giants or Eli although they did deserve it, however, we all know the Cowboys are a much better team and thats whats really disheartening about the whole thing.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"much better" team?

jesus terry, you really are pathetic.

the cowboys are "much better" than the only team that took down the 18-1 patriots, who held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 points, and who most importantly beat you on your home field in the playoffs?    

"It will be useless to root for the Giants. I forsee the biggest blowout in SB history in 2 weeks, when the Giants lucky run comes to an embarassing halt."

nice prediction!

the other cowboys fans on this board and insightful and knowledgeable and you make all of them look foolish.  you are everything thats wrong with sports fans.

thanks for the praise grizz.  i really enjoy this blog.  actually, i think that all the NFC east blogs are really well-written.  

see you next season.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 4, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I'm really sure that if the tables

were reversed and the Giants dominated the NFC with a 13-3 record, sent 13 players to the pro bowl, but ended up losing to the Cowboys in the playoffs because of a few dropped balls, while the Cowboys got hot in January and won the SB, you would really feel any differently.

I highly doubt it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and...

the steelers went 15-1 and dominated the AFC in 2004.

and the colts went 14-2 and dominated the AFC in 2005.

and the chargers went 14-2 and dominated the AFC in 2006.

and the patriots went 18-0 and dominated the NFL in 2007.

guess what? all those teams fucking lost!

who cares about regular season wins and pro bowls?  if YOUR team won the super bowl, YOUR team would be the best team.  i would actually give it to you because im not a delusional, idiotic homer.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 4, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no, not the best team

the best team on that day, there is a big difference. If you actually think the 2005 Steelers were better than the 2005 Colts or that you guys are actually better than the Pats, you're the one thats delusional.

The best team doesn't always win, its the team that plays the best on that given Sunday and that team was the Giants. End of story.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 8:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Give me a break!!!!

Stop diminishing what the Giants have ACCOMPLISHED, all on the road. The best team won on the road against the bucs, the best team won on the road against the number one NFC seed in Dallas, thee best team won on the road against the number two NFC seed in the Packers, thee best team won on the road against thee best team all year in the Patriots, yeah, I guess the best team doesn't win every game.....I guess the Giants were just four times lucky, maybe they should put that as an asterisk on the superbowl trophy.....PLease!!!

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Feb 4, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I give the Giants a ton of credit

They won 4 tough games, they took down 3 of the top 4 (alleged) teams, and they played almost perfect football in the process.  Their D was amazing and Eli really rose to the occasion.  But that doesn't mean we can't be honest about this Giants team.  I know quite a few Giants fans that wanted Eli gone after the Minnesota game earlier this year.  They got red hot at the right time and caught lightning in a bottle, and they are deserving champions.  But they were also a half away from being 0-3 and their coach getting fired mid-season.  The NFL is funny like that.

Point is, you can say the Giants are the best because they won in the playoffs (and it's hard to argue with that), but don't act like it's insane for someone to say they didn't have the best team.  Nobody thought that until the game ended last night (though I must say, Deke, you called it).  I know that a lot of people feel that way in Dallas, Green Bay, and Boston right now.

by grapejoos on Feb 4, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Many Giants fans were ambivalent

about Eli, but the guy earned a lifetime pass with that last drive.  

Too many sour grapes around here.  The Giants are champs.  There is no need to diminish what they accomplished, arguably the greatest upset in Super Bowl history.  Yeah , I know the COlts were favored by 19 over the Jets so if you go by point spread that was a bigger upset, but the Colts were not undefeated going into the SUper Bowl, and no one was arguing that the Colts were the greatest team to ever step on the field.

Eli and the Giants will have my own eternal gratitude for shutting up the Massh*le fans.  Certainly I would have preferred that it was the Cowboys who did it, but they did not and the Giants did, and now they get a ticker tape parade, which is well deserved.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 4, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"ambivalent"...?

Most of them wanted Eli run out of town - Manning even mentioned it during the pregame in that taped 'resiliency' video package...

Now he's the golden boy.  Ugh.

I hope they finish in dead last for the rest of his career now.

by Pete on Feb 4, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A Super Bowl WIn

will make you the golden boy.  The guy made the plays when he had to, on the biggest stage there is in Pro Football.

I wish it had been the Cowboys instead of the Giants.  I hope the Giants collapse next year, but I am damned glad they beat back New England and wiped that smug smirk off the face of every braying jackass named Sully from Connecticutt to Maine.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Bravo for Coughlin for realizing his faults on managing the team and changing his ways. It's too bad Parcells never realized that.

The Beast of the East is back!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Feb 4, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants EARNED Their SB Title This Year

The Giants incredible run to winning their third Super Bowl title was definitely well deserving.

Let's be honest here.  I'm piggy-backing Deke's real facts that actually happened -- something I firmly believed before the Super Bowl.

The New York Football Giants earned their way into the playoffs... yes, as a wild card, but still, as an eligible playoff contender.  They made the most of their entry.  They knew they had to win three games on the road -- and four if you count the Super Bowl, a neutral site -- but they still did it... and did it with overwhelming confidence backed up with overachieving effort and execution.

As Deke said, here's what they achieved...

Defeating a division leader and 4th seed in the NFC on the road -- aka Tampa Bay...

Defeating the #1 seed in the NFC on the road -- who they lost to TWICE in the regular season -- aka our Cowboys...

Defeating the #2 seed in the NFC in the freezing elements of the frozen tundra on the road -- who they lost to early in the regular season -- aka the Pack...

And Upsetting the undefeated and undisputed best regular season team in the NFL in Super Bowl 42 stamps and confirms that they earned their way to a ring -- hands down.

They did it with a balanced offense and an attacking defense... and with smart coaching that reflected the style and philosophy of Pure Parcells (pre-Patriots/pre-Jets/pre-Cowboys/pre-Dolphins).

Symbolic that the Giants defense was a major factor in throttling the Patriots high-powered offense for most of the game... and their offense came through in the clutch.

Congrats are in order to the New York Giants, for they truly earned it.

www.xanga.com/five11nation

by kcbrett5 on Feb 4, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

reading from the comments below, it looks like nobody else agrees with you.  

way to make yourself look like an idiot.

im going to go back and get my 1991 UNLV National Champions hat, 2001 Rams Super Bowl Season DVD, 2002 Miami Hurricanes BCS Championship mug, and  2006 Dallas Mavericks NBA Champions t-shirt...because even though those teams didn't actually WIN the championship, they were better than Duke, New England, Ohio State and the Heat, right Terry?

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 4, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll stand by what I said because its true

the Giants played better than the Cowboys, Packers and Pats and were the better team on the days they played them, I already said they deserve the SB title, but you're never going to convince me that the Giants are the best team in football because they're not.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, Terry

I congratulate the Giants on their championship, their coaching staff for doing an amazing job, and their players for executing.  But I don't think they are the best team in the NFL.  

by grapejoos on Feb 4, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

...but make no mistake...

the Giants earned it, no question.

by grapejoos on Feb 4, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

Maybe the Cowboys are a better team than the Giants, but that should just make you feel worse.  That means that you have more talent but that something else is lacking.  Something your team can't seem to find.  Want me to explain what it is to you?

by Jinks on Feb 4, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

And I think that is what made the loss hurt so bad; we knew our team should have won, but the Giants just executed better.  These are sentiments that we share with Packer and Patriot fans, and you have to give the Giants a ton of credit for being so disruptive on defense and so consistent on offense.  If you have a magic explanation as for what we lack, other than that we peaked too early (or have an inability to play well at the end of the year), I'm sure many of us would find that useful to know.  

Considering the Giants were the poster child for a dysfunctional team until a month or two ago, I find this turn of events rather surprising.  That's the NFL for you, eh?

by grapejoos on Feb 4, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no, explain it

to Wade and company....

by nonotmenever on Feb 4, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know exactly what it is

its called matruity and time will take care of that problem just like it did with Eli and the Giants.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
It took the Giants years to grow up, shut up and just start playing the game.  I think they still talk a bit too much, especially Strahan.  

by Jinks on Feb 4, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

L-O-S-E-R L-O-G-I-C

The game is played to win.  

That is why they have referees and a score board instead of judges and score cards.

You play to win the Lombardi.

To be a champion.  They don't give out rings to the team with the most people on the pro-bowl.

And sitting around claiming you are the best while you watch other teams playing the championship is losers logic.

Let's not try to put a bow around a bad season.

by 325424 on Feb 4, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone is doing that

Nobody is putting a bow around this season.  Nobody is saying the Cowboys are the best.  But come on, the Boys beat the Giants 2 out of 3 times this year and narrowly lost to them in the playoffs.  The one loss was closer than the two wins.  Everyone here knows the playoff loss is all that matters, but jumping all over Terry for suggesting that Dallas had the better team (on paper, or talent-wise, or however you want to qualify it) and should have won is ridiculous.  The fact that they didn't makes it all the more disappointing.  I certainly feel that way, and I would venture to guess that a significant number (majority?) of BTB'ers do too.

by grapejoos on Feb 5, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said that

I said we were the better team and should have been playing in the SB. I'm not taking away anything the Giants did, they played great in the playoffs, we're the best team in the playoffs and deserve the championship, all I'm saying is it should have been us based on how well we played throughout the season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I'm a Canes fan, and we were robbed...

by that untrue pass interference penalty called late on what should've been the last play of the game and our repeat national championship... but we still should've won that game on the field -- no excuses.

But I do see your point, and I understandably agree.

Come on, Terry.  Yes, the Giants did EARN it by defeating the #1 NFC Seed on the road, #2 NFC Seed on the road, and the best regular season team in the Super Bowl.  

And if it's any consolation, at least our Beloved Dallas Cowboys beat the Super Bowl XLII Champions TWICE this year (although we lost to them when it mattered most... but let's not cloud the issue any further).

Can't we NFC East Brethren all just get along?

www.xanga.com/five11nation

by kcbrett5 on Feb 4, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

silverblue, I never said the GMen didn't earn it

I just think if the Cowboys, Packers and Pats play them 10 times, those teams beat the Giants 8 out of 10 times, thats why I think they're not the best team.

The NFL playoffs are a one and done deal, its who plays better in one game, there aren't series of games like in baseball and basketball.

The Giants were the better team on Super Bowl Sunday and obviously thats what really counts, but they are not the best team, just like the '85 Villinova Wildcats were the better team on that magical night in April over 22 years ago when they defeated the almighty Patrcik Ewing and the Georgetown Hoyas, but theres no way they were the best division A-1 team in the country that year because they weren't.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if you think the packers

would beat them 8 out of 10, i want some of what you're smoking.  you take out that one fluke 90-yard TD pass to driver on busted coverage when webster fell down and the giants dominated that game.  just as easily as they could've lost that game, they could've won it by two touchdowns.  the giants are far and away the better team.

i honestly believe that if the giants and cowboys played 10 times, each would win 5.  i think they were pretty evenly matched.  crayton catches that pass in the 4th and maybe he scores on that play, romo throws to TO instead of trying to force it to glenn at the end and maybe they score on that play too.  it could've really gone either way.  that's just the way the playoffs are - they're a crapshoot.

i guess that kinda goes against my original post, and kinda contradicts what i said.  but the giants beat the top two NFC teams on the road then beat a previously unbeaten team that destroyed the AFC.  to have it brushed aside as a "fluke" or say that any of those three teams would win 8 out of 10 is not only stupid, it's irrelevant.  they lost on the big stage, the giants didn't.  it was no fluke.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 4, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

great points, terry...
def lookin' forward to next year.
www.xanga.com/five11nation

by kcbrett5 on Feb 4, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch your language

I don't go for that here at BTB.

If you're reading this, you could be commenting, too. Sign up for a free account on Blogging The Boys.

by Dave Halprin on Feb 4, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

language

Thank you.

Go Cowboys!

by brushpile on Feb 4, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is ridiculous

the giants played the pats twice, losing by 3 once and winning by 3 once. they beat the #4, #1 and #2 teams on the road in successive weeks.

so in 6 weeks they lost to the past by 3, ran the table on the Bus, Boys and Pack, then beat the Pats on the biggest stage imaginable.

you ask if the tables were reversed?

so if the Giants had home field advantage and we marched into their house and punched them in the mouth then watched them fold, then won the Conference Championship, then the SB, would you say they were clearly the better team?

and can you stop with this ridiculous 13 people in the Pro Bowl garbage. its tripe.  i mean if someone else cancels out and they put another cowboy in did the team get better? the cowboys almost always have great representation in the PB b/c we have a huge fan base.  the all pro team is a better representation of relative skill levels.

by 325424 on Feb 4, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you name me one player from the Giants

you would rather have over any Cowboys player?? Strahan over Spears and thats it for me.

You really think the Giants have more talent than the Cowboys, get real. Bottom line is that if the Cowboys play well the Giants can't beat them no matter how well they play.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you name me one player from the Cowboys

that wouldn't rather have been playing on Sunday instead of sitting at home.

bottom line is the giants have a ring and the cowboys don't.  

get real.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 5, 2008 6:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wait...

you mean you wouldn't rather be like terry and have a 13-3 team with 13 pro bowlers and no super bowl championship?

at least most cowboys fans know what they're talking about.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 5, 2008 6:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In the end

It's a nice consolation prize knowing we beat the giants twice.  I think it will give the boys confidence going into next year.  We are good enough.  If luck exists then hopefully we'll save ours for the end of next season.  

I feel better about this next season than I did going into this past season.  I'm sure something will change, but warhop should give us a good o-line and the defense should get better AND we have a real QB.

by BigE on Feb 4, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That is what i took from the Giants win

We are not as far away from the Superbowl as I had thought. I think we are a better team overall than this year's Superbowl winner. They played a heck of a defensive game last night, I am not trying to take anything away from them. But if we played 10 times, I feel that we would win 7 of them. That tells me that we are almost at that level, and should give us some confidence going into next year.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Feb 4, 2008 10:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully maybe now

the 'inferior NFC' nonsense will stop too...

by Pete on Feb 4, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you get the memo?

<snark>
The NFC sucks, and the reason the Pats lost is b/c the NFC's suckiness spilled over to them.  If they hadn't had to play an NFC team, they could have easily won.  It's the whole league structure's fault as to why the Pats didn't go 19-0 like they should have.
</snark>

I think they lost b/c Bellycheat didn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

by sprprsnmn on Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

Go read Simmons' article today - 100% "How could we lose" and 0% "Giants played a great game".

Sickening.

And to add to the discussion of the Cowboys being the better team - remember, Giants fans, if R.W. McQuarters isn't in the right place at the right time, it's Green Bay & Dallas and your team is home watching...

by Pete on Feb 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There were a hundred

plays and bounces that could have kept the Giants from going all the way.  I can think of ten yesterday off the top of my head.  That's how teams win games.  Be on the positive side of those.  

by Jinks on Feb 4, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We're close
We played and lost to both Super Bowl participants this season.  Although we are close to the Giants, they had some tremendous off-season acquisitions and a great draft.  Those new players didn't come together until late in the season.  Eli has come of age, like Romo, in his fourth season, which is probably average, although Romo wasn't good enough to play until his fourth year.  Although Terry and others are convinced that Romo will lead us to the promised land, which, by the way, is a Super Bowl victory, and nothing less, Romo is not the type of qb that has taken us there before.  Aikman was the #1 pick.  Staubach was a D-1A, strong-armed qb who won the Heisman and would have been one of the first draft picks if not for his Navy commitment.  I like Romo and think that he is an excellent NFL quarterback.  However, he played for Eastern Illinois rather than the University of Illinois for a reason.  Actually, there were several reasons, but size and arm strength were the biggest.  If you listen to coaches talk about Romo, you will never hear them talk about what a strong arm he has.  His college coach said Tony got there because of his "competitive spirit."  Parcells and Phillips praise Romo's "quick release."  For all of Tony's strengths, which he has made the most of, the lack of some of the tangibles, which Eli does not lack, concern me about whether we will ever see him hoist the Lombardi Trophy.  Because of these concerns, I think that it was a mistake to pass Brady Quinn last year just as an insurance policy.  While we were finding out about Romo, we could have been grooming Quinn in the same manner as Derek Anderson and David Garrard, which is the way that used to be standard--a few years carrying the clipboard and observing the game.  That way, if we were wrong about Romo, we would have a contingency plan.  I think drafting a quarterback this season should be considered for those reasons, but it would have to be subordinated to receiver and defensive back.  It's not that I don't like Romo, because I do, but he has limitations, and he is 0-2 in the playoffs no matter what excuses are made.  The only acceptable finish next year will be for him to still only have two playoff losses when it's over.  If there had been blogs in their day, there would have been people whose monikers included, "In Danny White we Trust," or "In Pelleur we trust."  Those two did pretty well, but they didn't ever win a Super Bowl.  I hope Romo will break the mold and get it done.  But, just in case, I would develop a contingency plan.

by RB on Feb 4, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

do you honestly

think if Romo was taller or had more arm strength the results of this year would have been different?  Eli made some plays when he had to, but he is certainly not the reason they won.  I'm not going to review the reasons why we lost to NY, but Romo was certainly not one. I'll take Romo over Eli any day of the week and twice on Sunday's, Superbowl Sunday even....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a blind homer when it comes to Romo, but you have to admit he did some pretty amazing things on the football field this year.  Yes, he's 0-2 in the playoffs, but you have to think that will change in the near future or maybe that's just the optimism in me.

Is it Sept. yet?  

by nonotmenever on Feb 4, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sheli was 0-2 in the playoffs

before this year, he had several plays that were not picked off.  I know I am talking to myself when I say wait until next year to see how these to guys play.  If they both make it to the playoffs then we will see who is going to come out on top.  Drafting another qb will not solve the problems on off production and the D.  The contract romo signed also prohibits bringing in a big name qb.  According to what you say we need a top flight D-1 college qb so the boys would need to suck next year or trade away a lot of picks to make that happen this year.  Romo is a playmaker, the team needs to improve, but it is not all on romo to make the improvements.  Throwing 36 td's shows that he brings offensive output, other areas of the team are in more need than another qb.

by cowboy78 on Feb 4, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

to compare Pelluer to Romo is lunacy

Romo doesn't lack tangibles, his arm stength and physical atrributes are NFL quality so I don't know what you're talking about. His arm is every bit as strong as Eli's or Quinn's. Last time I checked his height and weight are identical to Favre's. You don't need to be 6-5 and have a rocket arm to be a great QB, just ask Joe Montana who had neither. I guess Brady doesn't have what it takes because he was drafted in the 6th rd and lacked tangibles as well.

Romo will eventually win many SBs in his day, he's still young and developing and his time will come.

For the record, I always thought Pelluer was garage from day one.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't comparing

Terry,
Again I will say that I like Romo.  However, he does lack some of the tangibles. He can't throw the out pattern to the wide side of the field, and he doesn't have the arm strength of Eli.  I know you think he has no flaws, but these are facts.  Yes, Montana and other winning quarterbacks had some flaws, also, and I'm hoping that Romo's strengths, like his field of vision and quick release can compensate for some of his shortcomings which, believe it or not, he has.  Montana certainly is a great example.  However, Tom Brady went to the University of Michigan, which is a far cry from E. Illinois, which Romo himself would tell you.  And, Brady was actually drafted.  There is a reason that every single NFL team passed on Romo in every single round of the draft.  It's those shortcomings that I mentioned.  However, Romo has overcome those shortcomings.  In fact, his quick release compensates pretty well for his lack of velocity on the ball, because what is important is the time that the defender reads that a pass is going to the man he's covering until the time the ball arrives.  You can, in fact, throw a slower ball if you release it quicker.  It's the total time that counts.  Romo's arm is certainly strong enough to make almost every throw, but it's not as strong as many qb's in the NFL.  It is NFL caliber, as you state.  

All I was trying to say with my Pelleur and White comparisons is that Romo hasn't done anything yet.  Unlike you, I don't think Romo has much developing left.  I think he is what he is.  I hope I'm wrong and you're right, because I'm a diehard Cowboys fan, and so are my kids and my wife.  I've been one since I met Roger in 1972.  With respect to drafting a quarterback, I think we could find a legitimate one from a D-1A program in the later rounds that we could bring along slowly just in case.  While most on this board think this to be an absurd notion, we will know in a short time.  I'm concerned that this season Romo was surrounded by the best cast of players that he will ever have.  The key this year wasn't Romo, imho, it was T.O.  If he goes down next year or isn't 100%, watch out.  Go Cowboys!

by RB on Feb 4, 2008 7:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo can make every throw on the field

and his arm strength is easily as strong as Eli's. I never said Romo has no flaws but not having a strong arm that make any throw is certainly not one of them.

Romo is definitely developing as a QB, its impossible to learn that position in a year and half of starting. It takes a while and Romo's best days are definitely ahead of him. The best is yet to come.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 4, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree

not that it matters, but if you put a speed gun on manning his balls race.  i think he would easily top romo.

by 325424 on Feb 4, 2008 11:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have yet to read a scouting report

that says Romo has a suspect arm or can't make all the throws. Once you can make all the throws, extra isn't important. In fact it gets a lot of guys in trouble because they think they can force it in before the DB can react. Romo's arm is just fine.

by dunkman on Feb 6, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grizz has been to the last 2 camps and says

that Romo has a live arm and can make all the throws when he's seen him live. I've seen him throw live as well and know for a fact he can make any throw a QB needs to make. Not sure where this suspect arm strength crap is coming from.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 7, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Statistics do back your point, RB, but...

... there were a few good QBs that played for less heralded colleges that went on to lead their respective teams to SB victories.

  • Terry Bradshaw/Pittsburgh Steelers (College: Louisiana Tech)
  • Brett Favre/Green Bay Packers (College:  Southern Mississippi)
  • Kurt Warner/St. Louis Rams (College:  Northern Iowa)
  • Phil Simms/New York Giants (College:  Morehead State)

Yes, the percentages probably do favor a talented QB from a big D-1A school, but seven SB wins were represented by my examples above... and other factors weigh in on winning super bowls as well, like O-line/D-line, a balanced offensive attack, an aggressive playmaking defense, and outstanding coaching.

U made superb points, but I just wanted to add my two cents, as well.

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by kcbrett5 on Feb 4, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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