Jacques Reeves leaves the Cowboys; other free agent notes
by Dave Halprin on Mar 1, 2008 4:37 PM CST
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Jacques Reeves has found a new home but didn’t move out of the state of Texas.
The Texans have agreed to a contract with Dallas Cowboys cornerback Jacques Reeves, who was an unrestricted free agent.
Hat tip to DaveTroll for posting the news.
There was talk the Cowboys could possibly be interested in Drayton Florence, and now that Reeves is moving on the Cowboys are definitely in the market for CB’s. But Florence found a home in Jacksonville. Adam Schefter has the goods.
The Jaguars signed cornerback Drayton Florence on a deal that will pay him $12 million guaranteed and $6 million per year according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
Note to Cowboys: must draft cornerbacks.
The Cowboys could also use some help at WR. But a lot of the free agents are getting snapped up, or at least are visiting other clubs.
Donte Stallworth is going to the Browns.
According to a source, Donte' Stallworth, who played last season with the New England Patriots, agreed to terms on a contract with the Browns. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Bryant Johnson is visiting the Bills.
Arizona free-agent wide receiver Bryant Johnson is traveling to Buffalo today for a visit with the Bills.
Meanwhile, the entire NFC East called about Javon Walker.
At least 10 teams have been in contact with the agent for the wide receiver who was released Friday by the Denver Broncos, including all four NFC East clubs, according to a source.
Nick Eatman is now a big MB3 fan.
How about a random mock draft from a Buffalo paper?
22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland): RB Felix Jones, Arkansas. Jerry Jones wants to move up to get McFadden. If that’s not possible, he’ll get McFadden’s college teammate, who would provide an excellent change of pace from power back Marion Barber.
28. Dallas Cowboys: CB Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Tennessee State. Terrell Owens isn’t getting any younger, so they need to start grooming a replacement. But pass coverage is a big weakness. Rogers-Cromartie has unlimited potential and offers needed depth in the secondary.
Yeah, I’m digging that one.
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Funny
They use a picture when we played them and probably one of the plays he got burned on.
by DaveTroll on Mar 1, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
by Romo9 on Mar 1, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hmm....
At least 10 teams have been in contact with the agent for the wide receiver who was released Friday by the Denver Broncos, including all four NFC East clubs, according to a source.
Ten teams? Wow. I've had my reservations about the guy due to his injuries, but he must be worth something if that many teams are interested.
by Nelson on Mar 1, 2008 4:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not good
We can't outpay anyone for him, so unless Walker wants to take one of those 1 year flyers ala Hamlin (and it sounds like he has little reason to), good luck to him elsewhere, preferably outside the division.
Hopefully Glenn will be ready to go, recent reports are encouraging.
by grapejoos on Mar 1, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't even buy
a happy meal right now....
Flozells deal really handcuffed us big time.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 1, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those Happy Meals
are overpriced anyways.
by Romo9 on Mar 1, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.....
Grizz Im not diggin the jones pick anymore. I was once ok with that pick but after seeing some highlights on him I notice he never breaks any tackles. I think he is more of a second rounder right now. We need youth at WR and a CB. I would love Devin Thomas and DRC.
by Rich on Mar 1, 2008 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love those 2 picks
by Terry on Mar 1, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatchoo talkin bout Willis?
F. Jones breaks plenty tackles. I know I'm beating a dead horse, but he was the the RB in the game when Ark wanted a 2-pt conversion against LSU, and he fought his way into the end-zone.
He just might not be the value pick at 22. I would reverse the picks from that Buffalo. Boy, there's going to be a big run on CBs this year...sort of like the last draft. This year, we can't afford to wait on the side.
by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Mar 1, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we'll get Johnson now
Bryant Johnson was the WR I thought would be a good fit here, but it looks like someone will sign him for more $$ than Dallas can spend.
My backup QB picks also got signed already, Lemon and McCown. I hope Jerry and Red Ball have a plan for the position. Maybe we will keep Brad Johnson.
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Florence got
exactly what I thought, 4-6 mil a year which is about right for a second tier CB. Overall, a good contract for him.
It should be interesting to see what Reeves got.
Cromartie at 28 would be great, but think he would be gone there.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 1, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just pointing a few things out Cowboy81,,,lol
In response to a post I submitted before the combine, with me claiming Florence would cost too much, wanting to start and expects starters money, and isn't much better than Reeves, and isn't a good fit here cuz he wouldn't be a starter, therefore not going to happen....and another post I had stating that he would get 6 million in free agency....which you again you refuted..This isn't a shot at you, just trying to keep you in focus with your previous stance on Florence.
your response :
For Drayton Florence?? (none / 0)
He won't cost nearly that much. He is not a starter. Trufant and Samuels are the top rated CB's on the market. The second and third tiers CB's are Florence, Gay, Reeves.
Probably around 3 mil a year for Florence
.
There are no studs in the mid first. I'm all for drafting a CB, but not until the second round. I have Cromartie rated as a second rounder and he would be great value there. Mel Kyper also has him as a late first early second. Don't get caught up in the name. He is not as good as his cousin. We need a starter and someone with knowledge of our defense which is why Florence makes the most sense scheme wise and money wise.The Beast of the East is back!!!!
by Cowboys81 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EDT
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by BoyzRback07 on Mar 1, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed that one Boyz
I figured he would be over priced in a bare market.
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what
Some of Mocks have Cromartie, like this article projected as a late first so I'm not that far off. I did say that Cromartie would move up after the NFL Combine and he has. Prior to that, he was projected to be a second round pick. I still think Cromartie is a second rounder, but if we selected him between 22 and 28 I wouldn't be upset. I really like his upside more than any other CB in this draft. However, I would be really upset if we drafted either Talib or Jenkins higher than the 28th pick. Talib, from the scouting reports I'm reading is more suited for a Tampa 2 scheme.
On Florence, I did say 3 mil, but said in another thread if he received anything north of 6 mil a year would be crazy. 6 mil a year for a starting CB is not crazy apparently in this market. I wouldn't have paid him that much, but that is what the market commands. My feeling is we will acquire a veteran FA CB at some point. Possibly, when some more cuts occur. Shawn Springs is the player I'm watching because he could be cut in the coming weeks.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 1, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well I suppose not
I still think Cromartie is a second rounder, but if we selected him between 22 and 28 I wouldn't be upset.
No way Cromartie will last to #22.
Not with the show he put on at the combine!
Not with prime time Pimpin' him out...
Cromartie not only increased his stock
But Jumped to the front of the CB class...
maybe Mckelvin goes before cromartie...maybe not.
The thing we need to remember,with the way todays passing game has emerged...having a good,very good,third corner is a must! So in actuality everybody is in need of a good corner,theres lots of them,but i expect them to go quick.
Cromartie will not be there at #22,only way we get him is to move up.
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 2, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
well said
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you he does
Were not drafting a CB with the 22 pick, highly unlikely unless they feel they can get a good RB at the 28th spot.
First priority is a RB than CB. We have one RB under contract right now so I think that takes precedent before CB.
Veteran CB is the way to go. Picking up a veteran CB would instantly shore up the position. Some quality players will be released in the coming weeks. Shawn Springs is the player I'm watching.
Drafting a player like Justin King in the 2nd round would be ideal. With a veteran in place we wouldn't have to rush him along. Wade doesn't look like a coach that is willing to rush a rookie into the lineup which is why I think this scenario makes the most sense.
On Cromartie, I agree the kid will be good, but because he is somewhat raw and from a small school he will not be drafted as high as you think. Many have Talib going higher than Cromartie which I think is crazy.
Cromarite will be drafted between 22 and 28.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree...once again...
On Cromartie, I agree the kid will be good, but because he is somewhat raw and from a small school he will not be drafted as high as you think.
Weird thing is...McKelvin is rated the best, yet comes from "Troy" which became a D-1 team about the same time the other top CB Jenkins's "USF" team did...yet nobody is putting the "small school" label on them...That being said....I don't care where they came from, the results are in their play...and I haven't seen a CB better than DRC since his coming out party at the East-West Shrine Bowl....He and McKelvin will be fighting it out to be picked at #7 by New England...you can look at all the "mock drafts" drafts you want...I sure don't....It's my own opinion...He's been in mine the whole time...I'm pretty sure most of you guys seen enough of him to realize he's the real deal......sure he's still raw, so isn't McKelvin, but DRC has more upside than anyone in the draft. as far as not being physical and strong enough....that will happen once he gets in camp...I can see him putting on 10-15 lbs and still being lightening fast...He would become an instant starter in the nickle...He's a great special teamer and kick off returner...He is the next Deion Sanders....wait and see...Once again...trading up to Atlanta is the only way we're going to get this guy...I'd even forego taking my boy Felix Jones to get DRC...
DRC will be drafted between #7 and #20.....
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100% BOYZ
DRC is most likely a top 10 pick
...I'd even forego taking my boy Felix Jones to get DRC...
Only shot we got at DRC is trading up!
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 2, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Boyz
on almost everything you just said. I have been high on DRC, McKelvin, and Jenkins for a while now and there is no doubt who has the most upside. I don't know about the Deion comparison yet.
by Romo9 on Mar 2, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%...Got your back on this one...
Any discussion centered around DRC needs to be HOW we are going to move up and get DRC, not that we'll consider him at #22 or even #28.
We need to start referring to DRC as "Insomnia" because he's far from being a "Sleeper" after the Senior Bowl and Combine.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Secret is out on Troy
While McKelvin did go to Troy and it is small, it's produced two pretty notable all-pro level players in Ware and Osi in recent years.
I do think that DRC's school may scare some teams off, but Cowboys fans of all people should know that the school doesn't make the player. Jerry Rice didn't even play D-1!
by grapejoos on Mar 2, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
neither did Walter Payton
by Terry on Mar 2, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your crazy Boyz
He's not sniffing the top 10, c'mon...lol
Your mesmerized by the name.
Mckelvin is the only player worthy of a top 10 pick this year and that might be stretching it. If Cromartie goes anything under 22 it's a reach. I haven't seen too many mocks having Cromartie under 22.
Don't get me wrong I think Cromartie would be a great fit for us, but not if it would cost us more than the 22 pick. I would much rather go after King in the second round. He is going to be a very good CB in this league.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DRC is LEGIT!
He's not sniffing the top 10, c'mon...lol
Your mesmerized by the name.
Mckelvin is the only player worthy of a top 10 pick this year and that might be stretching it. If Cromartie goes anything under 22 it's a reach. I haven't seen too many mocks having Cromartie under 22.
Did you even watch the combine
Cromartie is far and away the best CB in this draft.
Got nothing to do with the name....
and everything to do with his game...
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 2, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
watched it as I do
every year. He is good but not top 10 good. If he was that good everyone would have him rated as the #1 CB in the draft not the 4th or 5th best.
I know many here have a man crush on the kid but your fooling yourselves if you think he is the best in the draft.
Forget about the Combine. It's overrated. Players get over drafted every year because of it.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
King is the rawest CB in the whole draft....
And he should have listened to the several scouts that told him to stay in school and better hone his skills. He'll be lucky to go in the second...and that's only cuz of his speed and upside...and a team that can mold and train him for a year or two.
Cowboy81:
YOU think DRC is over rated...YOU think he's not going to go in the top 20...YOU are the guy that keeps saying he is a second rounder...YOU are the guy who thinks it would be a reach to take him before #22..It's YOU who seems to think some clowns mock draft is legit and should be closely adhered to. I can go on and on...Your so called mock draft experts never even knew who DRC was prior to January 20th...I'm taking their word for his value ?? and i'm sure not takin' your views into account..If it were up to you...there would not be one WR or DB taken in the first round at all...as you have both groups rated no better than 2nd round..am i right ?
McKelvin wasn't even considered a first day talent til late into this past season....he was, and still is considered quite raw, and will need time to work on technique, footwork, and fundementals. He is anything but the real deal. A great return guy with the possibility to become a great cover corner.
If you wanna continue to go by your mock draft blog's, and so called draft experts, go right ahead...I know talent when i see it...and hopefully so do 32 GM's of the NFL....
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys81, I got news for you
there aren't any vet FA CBs left on the market that are better than Reeves, they're all garbage.
Our nickel CB this year will be from the draft, you can bank on it.
by Terry on Mar 2, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, someone will get cut
and we will sign him to be our nickel guy. Wade is not drafting a rookie CB to start. Just not going happening guys.
All of these rookie CBs will be overdrafted because this draft class just isn't very good.
And everyone is having pipe dreams if you think Jerry is moving piles to get any of these CBs. He may, move up a spot or two to get Cromarite, but he's not pulling a Jets move jumping 11 spots like when they did to get Revis.
A veteran CB will be signed, count on it.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who said anything about starting
I said the rookie will be our nickel back, not starter, obviously Newman and Henry are our starters.
by Terry on Mar 2, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newman plays the slot usually
in a 3 wide WR set which is alot these days.
So your nickel or slot guy essentially needs to a starter. Unless we want to go through some major growing pains we need a experienced CB.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How quickly we forget...
About last season....we cut Aaron Glenn and went into the season with Reeves as our #3 CB....and then Reeves ended up at #2 with the Newman injury.
Wade is not drafting a rookie CB to start. Just not going happening guys.
So your nickel or slot guy essentially needs to a starter. Unless we want to go through some major growing pains we need a experienced CB.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, Wade will start the season with an inexperienced 7th round pick in his third season, but not a rookie CB drafted in the first round?
Please explain.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Many thought it
was a bad move by the organization releasing Glenn and turning it over to a young unproven CB. It appears it was. Reeves was ok, but not great. I think Wade expected more from him being here 3 seasons. He won't make the same mistake going with a unproven player. I'm all for drafting a rookie CB, but not with the intention of him coming in here his first season and playing the nickel or slot. That's alot to ask from a rookie.
If we can find a good veteran and give the rookie some time to learn the defense would be ideal. If not, then we have to throw him into the fire I guess. I think Wade would rather go with a good experience CB like a Shawn Springs if he becomes available.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought cutting Aaron Glenn was
the dumbest move the Cowboys had made in a long time. Especially since Newman had already injured his foot at the time.
Glenn might not have been faster than Reeves, but he veteran experience. He would have been a better choice than Reeves.
Though in full disclosure, Glenn did get injured in JAX, so it didn't make much difference in the long run. But the principle of my argument was sound.
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the landscape of the NFL...
today...your rookies have to be able to to produce at key positions. It's been pointed out that all five of the top CB's drafted last year played a key role on their team's defense.
Having three proven veteran CB's is a luxury that not many teams can afford....and we are not one of them.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but you wanted to throw Free into the fire?
whats the difference??
by Terry on Mar 2, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CB81...please tell us more about Justin King...
Everything I have read is somewhat discouraging and he's projected as a 3rd to 4th rounder as a very poor junior season.
I would like to know your take on Justin King, outside of the fact he ran a 4.31 in Indy. Is he a second round talent, and why?
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also like Brandon Flowers
who is Mayocks top CB. King at 6-0 186 lbs has good size to compliment his 4.31 speed.
2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Justin King is a top notch CB prospect. The 6'0", 186 lbs. junior from Penn St. has the tools to shut down NFL receivers. He went through a few shaky spots this season, but overall has done a great job in coverage. King finished this season as a First Team All Big Ten selection. He totaled 49 tackles and 2 INTs this season, despite the opposition throwing away from him most of the season. King also led the Big Ten this season with 17 passes defended. King has defended top flight college receivers all season, facing Dorien Bryant, James Hardy, Mario Manningham, Arrelious Benn, and Brian Robiskie with good results. He shows good ball skills in coverage and has blazing speed. King will need to hit the weight room so he can play press coverage when needed against NFL receivers. Pittsburgh Post Gazette columnist Ron Muselman reported King had 4.3 or better speed in the 40. The thing that makes King an exciting prospect is this is only his second year as a full time CB. Because of injuries, King was forced to play mostly at wide receiver during his freshman year. Corner is one of the toughest positions to play in football and his relative lack of experience shows how good he could be with NFL coaching. An added bonus with King is his experience at both receiver and as a return man at Penn St. Justin King is an excellent corner, with unlimited potential. The shaky end to his year might see him slide to the end of the second round.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...
If not for the end of the season he would be right up there with the rest of them.
I don't think anyone can go wrong with King and Flowers in the second round. Both of these CBs will be as good if not better than Jenkins and Talib for a heck of alot less.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a rediculous assessment of King...
The Hoosier's Hardy had 14 catches for 142 yards and 2 TD's!!
MSU's Devin Thomas...7 for 139 and 3 TD's!!!
He had his opportunity against a couple of the better WR's in the nation and he failed miserably. Sounds like he has some athletic ability, but not a guy that I would expect to contribute much as a rookie.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't say it any better Fargo...
don't get me wrong, He does have the physical skills....but so didn't Jaques Reeves...enough said...He is one DB who should have stayed in school..he'd be a first rounder next year if he did...and as far as Brandon Flowers goes...he will have bust factor all over him at the next level and I wouldn't even consider him til the third round...Mayock was wayyy..off in this guys evaluation......at the very best, he's a poor man's Ty Law, but slower. He will only work in a Tampa 2 defense...period.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Kingbillito do a good write up on King?
I might be getting posters confused, but I think he said he is a huge PSU fan, saw all the games and felt Justin King was more like a 3rd round prospect.
I'm sorry I can't remember what thread it was in, if anyone has the link to it...
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
King is projected to be a mid
second round, early third so if he did it would be about right. Flowers is expected to go before him at the top of the second or higher.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok I found the comment
My apologies to Kingman (too many King's in this topic)
Anyway here is his first hand knowledge
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/comme...
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
because were not expecting any of these rookies to be major factors on defense for us. King, Flowers, Talib, Jenkins need to be coached up for at least a year before they are ready.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to believe Kingman...
I take the word of eye witnesses over draft guru's who never even seen tape on them. I go along with everything he said...He is project needing two years of work with NFL coaches. Certainly not ready to step on the field , day 1...like we need.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boyz none of these
players are coming in here and playing on day 1. They all need some seasoning before that happens. Wade is going out and getting a veteran. These CB's this year are not spectacular by any means. Mckelvin is a stretch of a top 10 pick as it is.
I'm not saying King wouldn't need some work, but when we expect him to be ready he should be. A veteran would be important so we wouldn't have to rush any of these guys into the lineup.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we draft a CB in the first..will be starting..
there is no doubt they would take over the nickle slot position...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well see, but IMO
when pigs fly that will happen.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah...another reason to refute your .........
assessment of DRC and where he ranks...
Here is the same draft site you gotten your draft scouting reports and insite from ::::
http://warroomreport.com/index.php?o...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
I'm not fighting you on this relax man. I like DRC..lol. I just don't think he is a top 10 pick.
It was the first time I saw him ranked #1. It doesn't mean I agree with it. It also doesn't mean he will be taken in the top 10. Mckelvin, Jenkins, Talib are all projeted to be drafted ahead of DRC, but I don't agree with it.
I think DRC is the second best CB in the draft.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we spend a 1st round pick on a CB
You better believe he'll be out there as the 3rd CB.
Will he be polished right off the bat? No, but he better be able to contribute right away. College DB's, or any college players, need some time to acclimate to the increased speed of the game at the pro level. That's only going to happen if he plays.
So get ready for some flying pigs ala Pink Floyd.
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with Wade
not going to happen.
If you guys were pulling your hair out every week over the mistakes Reeves was making, that's nothing compared to what a rookie will be making.
Wade is getting a veteran to play the nickel IMO...
by Cowboys81 on Mar 3, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....Fargo
Too Funny...
That's a rediculous assessment of King...
Did his agent write that?
Made me laugh!
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 2, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Sounds like he has some athletic ability, but not a guy that I would expect to contribute much as a rookie
I can say the same for Talib and Jenkins.
Did his agent write that?
Nope, that's a scouting report from a good site.
Justin King will be a good one and will be great value in the second round. I'll take King and Flowers over Talib in a second.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Talib is a 1st round prospect
We'd be lucky if he's available.
He's definitely ranked above King and Flowers.
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may be ranked higher but
doesn't mean he is better. Heck, Cromartie is rated below Talib and Jenkins, but both are projected to higher. I think Cromartie is better than both.
Talib is a CB that would fit best in a Tampa 2 scheme, not what we run. He is not a good cover corner. Mayock said he struggles in that area. I hope he is gone when we pick. Talib is overrated and will be over drafted.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's your opinion
Mine is based on seeing Kansas play, and Talib was a standout on a very good defense.
I'm sure Talib is a 1st round pick, and I hope we get him. Though I agree McKelvin is better, and DRC has a higher ceiling. I think they'll both be gone by the time the Cowboys pick.
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats cool
I'm just going by what the scouts are saying about him.
My rankings:
1 Mckelvin
2 DRC
3 Jenkins
4 King
5 Flowers
6 Talib
7 Reggie Smith
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Talib
He wouldn't be my first choice at CB, and I have some concerns about his man coverage abilities, but the guy is a playmaker. I think we could find a way to make him productive, whether moving him to FS or putting him on bigger WRs. If he's there at 28, I say take him regardless of who we got at 22.
by grapejoos on Mar 3, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your "scouting report from a good site"...
....didn't address one weakness of the player. That's certainly not a good report. All the top end scouting reports address the strengths and weaknesses of the prospects.
Do me a favor and do some due dilligence, checking multiple reports on King before you give him your flowing 2nd round endorsement.
Also, please read Kingman's very fair and knowledgeable assessment of King.
This kid needed another year at PSU. As deep as this draft is, I can find talent in the 2nd and 3rd round that can step in and contribute in 2008. Maybe not at CB, but at other positions. Therefore, I'm not going to reach for a project like King in the 2nd round. Not a chance.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
might have to because all of those
players you like will be gone.
As far as the scouting reports. I have a ton of reputable sites I can post the scouting reports. You can simply do a google and find out for yourself, but if I have to:
Strengths: Terrific natural athlete with ideal NFL frame...good ball skills and natural instincts make him a playmaker...has the strength to play press coverage...physical player who does not mind using his strength...played some offense at Kansas and can contribute in the return game...leader of the Kansas defense...
Weaknesses: Does not have elite timed speed....gambles too much and can give up big plays...plays too high at times and vulnerable to double moves...needs to add to his base to improve his tackling...technique is still raw...may not fit every scheme...
Exactly what many have said.
http://warroomreport.com/index.php?o...
Mayock one of the best, apparently said last week that Talib struggles in man coverage, fits best in a Tampa 2 scheme. That was my point. I'm sure he is a good CB, but from what I'm reading may not be a good fit here.
I saw Kingmans assessment and it's from a fan perspective not from a scouting point of view who's job is to evaluate their talent.
King needs some work no doubt, but all these players do. CB is one of the hardest positons to step in right away. There is no sure thing this draft class. Just don't get your hopes high on these players is what I'm saying.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to King....
Your source for claiming King to be a 2nd rounder was poor. I trust Kingman's comments because it's in line with what I have read from other sources, and he gave a very fair assessment given the fact that he's a Nittany Lion.
....I have said from Day 1 that I don't like Talib (as a first rounder) and I never even mentioned Talib in this thread. I would probably start warming up to Talib in the mid-2nd round.....King by the 4th round.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 2, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here is his source on King:
Penn State CB Justin King Scouting Report
Height: 6-0, Weight: 186, Draft Grade: 88Strengths: Elite athlete...ideal frame for an NFL corner...good ball skills...very good timed speed...high upside...shows flashes of brilliance at times, including shutting down first round receivers such as Robert Meacham and Ted Ginn...very fluid downfield with quick hips and the ability to turn and run with receivers...
Weaknesses: Lacks ideal strength...inconsistent player...relies on natural ability to often...not the best player in press coverage...needs to become a better wrap up tackler...boom or bust prospect...character concerns...durability issues...
Overall: A top prep prospect, Justin King never had the standout season at Penn State that was expected. He did however, take a big step forward during his junior season. King will enter the draft as perhaps the top athlete at the cornerback position, but his rawness will give some teams reason to hesitate. He could develop into a true lockdown corner.
All things Kingman mentioned in evaluation...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing almost the same
scouting report as Talib and he is projected to be a top 20 pick.
King is projected to be a 2nd or 3rd and woud cost us alot less for a player with alot better speed.
Pass on Talib...
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen Talib's character issues
And he can definitely play press coverage.
Can you post a link to that?
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2008 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Talib scouting
report said he is best sutied for a zone scheme, not press coverage because of his lack of speed. Many are all saying the same thing.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 3, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you figure it was poor
Just about every scouting report has King being a second or third round pick. They are all on par with their assessment of King. I have said nothing different from what the scouting reports indicated. It wasn't like I said the kid was the second coming of Deion Sanders...lol
he gave a very fair assessment given the fact that he's a Nittany Lion
Your logic is misguided here.
So if I tell you that I've seen just about every Arkansas football game for the past two seasons and even went to three by the way, you would believe my assessment on DMAC over published pro scouting reports???
So your telling me you would believe me when I'm telling you that DMAC will be a better pro than AP, or that he is a better college player than Mendenhall, Stewart because I'm a fan of the program. Is that correct?
So because I'm a fan of DMAC and Arkansas football that makes me more knowledgeable than everyone else.
If you do than I'm in the wrong business and need to become a pro scout...lol
by Cowboys81 on Mar 2, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kingman's comments matched
...what many of the scouting reports are saying about King. I felt they were fair because he actually watched the games (unlike yourself).
It was your initial "glorified" report that was bogus and way off-line. Anyway, your opinion changes depending on what direction the wind is blowing, so I'm sure you'll have a different take on this player between now and the draft.
Bottomline: If we wait past the top CB prospects and end up with a "project" like King, we are not going to have a player that can contribute as our 3rd corner this season (something we desperately need). That is why we need to be aggressive in the first round...I don't want to end up with a 4.3 speed guy with limited cover skills.
by Fargo Cowboys on Mar 3, 2008 6:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched some Penn State games also
It doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.
It was your initial "glorified" report that was bogus and way off-line.
It was untrue, but not bogus. It was a rumor that was spread on some message boards and heard it through a source. I didn't make it up. It was my mistake for copy and pasting it here. Get over it now, I didn't commit a capital offense.
This is a blog not a newspaper. Information is obtained through other blogs, message boards etc...alot of the information is rumors.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 3, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant quite the opposite
he gave a very fair assessment given the fact that he's a Nittany Lion
Your logic is misguided here.
So if I tell you that I've seen just about every Arkansas football game for the past two seasons and even went to three by the way, you would believe my assessment on DMAC over published pro scouting reports???
So your telling me you would believe me when I'm telling you that DMAC will be a better pro than AP,
NOor that he is a better college player than Mendenhall, Stewart because I'm a fan of the program. Is that correct?
NO
So because I'm a fan of DMAC and Arkansas football that makes me more knowledgeable than everyone else.
If you do than I'm in the wrong business and need to become a pro scout...lol
Keep your day job...LOL
I think he meant in spite of the fact...he still gave a fair assessment.
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 3, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry True
I'll be keeping my six figure job..
I never said he didn't give a fair assessment. He did as a fan and if you want to take his assessment over a pro scouting report so be it.
The last I checked pro organizations don't ask fans what they think of college players prior to drafting.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 3, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that
I never said he didn't give a fair assessment. He did as a fan and if you want to take his assessment over a pro scouting report so be it.
It was my opinion that you misunderstood the original posters' comments.
thats all.
just because you watch another team,doesn't make you a scouting expert.
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 3, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
my bad then.
I want the best for our team just like you. Not everyone here is going to agree who is best for us.
I can't wait for the draft.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 3, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its cool cowboy
I want whats best for our boys as well.
I can't wait to see how the draft shakes out this year.
Its going to be exciting and I'm sure we'll all be argueing over who we did pick over who we woulda,shoulda,coulda....LOL
It's all good though...
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 3, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stallworth
So Stallworth, a wide receiver with a history of injury problems, goes to Cleveland whose roster is full a bunch of wide receivers with a history of injuries. Yeah ... good luck with that.
Derek
by DerekSTheRed on Mar 1, 2008 6:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess at some point
If you have enough guys with injury problems, you can assume you can field a team because they probably won't all get hurt at the same time.
I like that signing for them, he's not great, but he makes their passing attack more dangerous.
by grapejoos on Mar 1, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
Edwards, Winslow JR, now Stallworth and Anderson slinging the rock to them, plus Jamal Lewis just got an extension. If the defense improves they could be a top AFC team. Pretty funny they traded away a 1st rounder to pick up Quinn, looks like a boneheaded move now.
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Cromartie
Now that Reeves is gone, we must draft a cb. I don't mean to keep saying this, but the Cowboys' need for a wr is much greater than their need for a running back. T.O. is a quarterback maker. How did Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb fare after T.O. left? How has Romo done when T.O. wasn't 100%? You know the answer to all three questions, which is why an impact wide receiver must be added. I was hoping for Randy Moss. Add Moss, and we are the odds-on favorite to win the Super Bowl. One of the biggest advantages of having Moss or an impact receiver would be to minimize the drop-off if T.O. were to suffer an injury. It happened his first year (remember the bicycle apparel in Oxnard?). It happened last year and is probably the reason we didn't advance in the playoffs. T.O. is getting older, and with every passing day he becomes more susceptible to injury. Romo doesn't have to turn into Jeff Garcia when T.O. is on the sidelines, although he has done that to this point. A big-time receiver to take up the slack is a necessity, in my humble opinion. You won't find one of those lurking unnoticed in the latter rounds of the draft. Just my opinion, but I hope T.O. makes this supposition irrelevant by staying on the field at 100% for every game.
by RB on Mar 1, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
RB...Who is your sure fire #1 WR in the draft ?
that can be drafted at pick 22 or 28 ??....curious
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 1, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Question
I don't see my top 2 recievers being at #28 and we need to go CB at #22. However, if we were to go WR in the first and Kelly and Sweed were both gone I would still consider James Hardy a good option at #28.
Then again, the only CBs I would take might not be available at #22. The only CBs I would take in the first would be Mike Jenkins(alot of people on this site are really low on him by the way), DRC, and Leodis McKelvin. If we failed to get them then I would be very displeased but would really like Dallas to get Justin King in the second or move up in the third to get him, but most likely one of my top 3 CBs will be there at 22.
This years WR class isn't spectacular at the top but is fairly deep. No, Adarius Bowman has not killed himself, repeat, Bowman is still alive. I know he has absolutely plummeted in the draft but I would still like to take a flyer on the guy in about the 5th round. Also a guy like D.J. Hall from Bama', Harry Douglass from Louisville, or Will "Helicopter" Franklin should be availabe in the fourth round. Lavelle Hawkins, Eddie Royal, and Jordy Nelson should all go high in the third. And then you have guys like Andre Caldwell and Earl Bennett who should go in the second.
by Romo9 on Mar 1, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good call with Franklin.....
where'd you come up with this "Helicopter" nick name ?....cuz he's the receiver i'm high on...yet know little about his playing career....i'm just going off his stats, combines, and system he played in....but he has my interest for sure...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in Columbia, MO
and although I am not a Tigers fan, I do go to almost all of their home games. "Helicopter" is just a nickname, don't really know how it started but the local tribune calls him that. Franklin has been a good reciever the past 2 seasons and before Maclin got here he was the go-to-guy his JR. year. I never thought he would run 4.33 40 but he did display some wheels in college. He has all the measurables at 6'2", 214. He broke out his JR. season (also the season Chase Daniel took over for Brad Smith). He didn't get the acclaim that he probably should have because of Jeremy Maclin coming to MU(who is a bonafide stud).
by Romo9 on Mar 2, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....I've heard the name on and off...
and with Maclin, Rucker, Coffman, and Temple..
I don't think he got his chance to shine as much...He made some tough catches when I got to see Missouri play a few times, and he looked quite athletic..great size, and now...lightening speed..he is in my small group of WR to look at in rounds 3-4
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marques Colston
7th round pick by the Saints while Robert Meachem was a 1st round pick who has done zilch.
It's possible to find talent at the WR position in the later rounds.
Our own Crayton was a 7th rounder.
Plus, you are either discounting or forgetting Stanback who has high hopes pinned to him.
CB is, and has been, the priority for the upcoming draft, regardless of whether or not Reeves left.
Then RB, WR, and now NT.
by APerfectStar on Mar 2, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Tom....
and my late 6th-7th round receiving gem comes out of a rather large school...Lance Leggett.out of Miami..not sure what happened to him this year, he must have gotten injured....but I can't find anything on his health..
He is a poor man's Randy Moss..6'3"..200lbs, 4.40 40..track star. deep threat.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Malcolm Kelly or Limas Sweed
BoysRback07, I don't know if either of these two will be available, but if they are, I would definitely not hesitate if either are there when we draft. My first choice would be Randy Moss, though. We all undervalue T.O., in my opinion. He makes a quarterback great. He has done it with three of them. He's getting older. We can't wait for JJ to figure out that the reason Witten and some of the other receivers were so open was that T.O. was getting so much attention by the defense. As Terry points out in another thread, wide receivers, like any position, aren't fail safe. However, we must take the chance. We have a running back. Another one of those can be picked up anywhere in the draft or free agency. An impact wide receiver can only be found in two places. The first is in New England, where Randy Moss temporarily resides. The second is the draft. Which one can carry T.O.'s load if he's injured is the question. I propose that Sweed or Kelly can. In any case, you can't wait until next season until T.O. is hurt and Romo is lost to try to find out. If T.O. makes it through the entire season, that's just icing on the cake. Nothing lost, only gained.
by RB on Mar 2, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we need a CB more than a WR
by Terry on Mar 2, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no reason to believe TO won't make it..
He sustained injuries in the past that he couldn't avoid...high ankle, broken leg, etc.....certainly not from his body breaking down, as he is one of the best conditioned athlete in football ...period...that being said...I can count on him being there all season, tearing it up...
Your right..the best solution possible is to lock Randy Moss into a long term deal to make Dallas the best offense of all time, and secure TO's eventual replacement 3 years earlier than needed...
But I would not sacrifice our severe need at CB to take Kelly or Sweed, and i'm positive, at this point that both those receivers will be gone by #20.
Buffalo, Chicago, Carolina, Philly, and Washington all may be looking WR early in the draft before our pick. Pittsburgh, Tennessee, and a few others before our 28th pick...I am dead set against drafting a WR in the first round, unless ALL of the top CB's are off the board, and ALL the the top RB's are gone by 22.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 2, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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