Your Number 1's.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 19, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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PrintPromoted from the diaries by Grizz. Funny, but I had it on my mind to do a similar post with the same subject as GloryDayz88's diary. Then I saw his and thought what the heck, let's just use his. So jump into the comments and let's blowout this thread. End intro.
Okay, I think the majority of us agree that in no particular order, CB, WR, and RB are going to be the Cowboys most pressing needs come draft day. Assuming the Cowboys sit still and dont trade up, who do you think is the best player (as he fits the Cowboys) at each position. I'm talking about guys who could realistically be there at #22.
I'm not asking for a novel. If you dont want to explain yourself you dont have to. Just list your top three.
I'll go first to give you an example.
Cornerback. I think Cromartie is the #1 corner alltogehter no matter who I am a fan of. His size speed combo are amazing and he wants to go steal the football. He could be a game changer.
Wide Receiver. Though I dont think he is the best receiver in the draft, I like DeSean Jackson the best for the Cowboys. He can stretch the field, has great hands, and can finally bring some excitement to the return game.
Running Back. Lets remember who Marion Barber's agent is. His asking price to re-sign may be outrageous. Instead of taking this "speed back" everyone is obsessed with, let's get another feature back type who could carry the load in '09 if necessary. I think Jonathan Stewart is the best back in the draft period. Screw the combine he is the best on tape. He's 235 pounds and he's 1/100th of a second slower than Felix Jones who everybody likes so much. His injury could cause him to slide to us at 22. As long as that checks out, we should abort all other plans with that pick. And if we are able to keep Barber, who care's about this "thunder and lightning" concept, can you think of a more violent backfield?
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My #1's
Playing by the spirit of this thread, which is your number 1's that you think might be there at #22:
CB - Mike Jenkins: I love DRC but I think he'll be long gone by #22. The same with McLovin. So the guy I have next in line is Jenkins.
WR - Devin Thomas: Good size and great speed. But I do worry about him having only one successful big-time college season.
RB - Felix Jones: McFadden and Mendenhall I think will be gone, and even Stewart. So I'm going with the Hog who can scoot.
CB, RB, WR in that order
CB - McKelvin and DRC are clearly the 2 best cover men in the draft and they are clean players as well. After that there are debates and question marks with each of the other prospects. If either guy is gone by #22, I'd be inclined to go RB instead of risking a potential bust in Talib or Jenkins.
RB - As stated, I'd go RB at #22 if McKelvin and DRC are gone, however, if Mendnenhall is sitting there at #22, I think he'd have to be the pick for me no matter who else is available at that point. If all 3 aforementioned players are gone, I go with Stewart or Jones.
WR - IMO, there really isn't a WR in the draft worthy of the #22 pick, but if the Boys go with a WR at this point, I think Thomas is the best of a very mediocre bunch. Sorry guys, but there are no Calvin Johnsons or Dwyane Bowes in this group.
Mendenhall, DRC, Talib, Jenkins, Mckelvin
will be long gone by the 22nd pick which is the reason Stewart or Jones will be the 22nd pick. CB will be a late first or second round selection more than likely.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 19, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
you never know, its guaranteed that there will
be at least one player projected in the top 10 or 15 that will drop like a rock because its happened in every draft and this one will be no different.
So you never know, that one player could be Mendenhall, McKelvin or DRC.
Think Brady Quinn last season, Steven Jackson in 2004. Could happen.
maybe but
alot of teams in the top 20 need CBs. It's almost a given McKelvin will goto NE at #7 now with the loss of Samuel.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but NE might also want to trade out
of that spot at #7. Logically, you would think they would take McKelvin and thats why he's projected there in so many drafts.
However, as we have seen so many times over the years, some NFL teams do no act logically on draft day. Last year, Miami taking Ted Ginn, who in the hell saw that coming?
My point is that except for just a handful of players like the Long boys, Gholston, Dorsey and maybe Ryan, you just never know who will fall. I'm just saying it could be one of the top CBs or RBs and thats what I'm holding out hope for on draft day, just like I did in 2004 with Steven Jackson...only for Parcells to screw up my dreams..lol.
my #3 CB after McKelvin and DRC is Cason
To me, he is as physically talented as Jenkins and Talib, but cleaner because of his outstanding character.
I think that CB should be the number 22 pick
because there are a number of teams who need a CB between 22 and 28. There is a better chance of an RB who's there at 22 to slide to 28 than there is a CB.
thats a good point, I agree, RB is more likely
to slide than the CBs, although I'm praying DRC falls to us. I know its a dream, but hey, thats what makes the draft fun to watch.
You nailed it!
Running Back. Lets remember who Marion Barber's agent is. His asking price to re-sign may be outrageous. Instead of taking this "speed back" everyone is obsessed with, let's get another feature back type who could carry the load in '09 if necessary. I think Jonathan Stewart is the best back in the draft period.
Exactly what I've been saying for awhile. There are no guarantees MB3 will be resigned so getting a RB capable of starting is very important. The reason I think RB is the top priority, not CB. Right now we have a practice squad player backing up MB3. The way contracts are getting out of hand Jerry has to protect himself.
We can draft a good CB to play the nickel or for depth later in the first or second round. A veteran could also come available, and probably will after the draft.
I'm sticking to my guns and saying the starting nickel CB will be a player already on this team or we will sign a veteran, not a rookie. Especially not since Mckelvin, DRC, Jenkins, Talib will be gone by the 22nd pick.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 19, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions
Draft
First time poster here. I've been reading this blog for a long time now and really enjoy the articles and great insight and now I'm ready to finally give my input.
Regarding the draft, I would not be surprised at all if the Cowboys didn't draft a WR until the late rounds or maybe not at all in the draft. I keep reading about how the Cowboys are going to draft a WR, but I'm not so sure. It comes down to one thing: the health of Terry Glenn. If Glenn is even close to his normal playing status then they won't draft a WR early. If Glenn's career is done then they will. There is no question that either way, the Cowboys will need a stud WR for the '09 season, but for '08 they are set. Assuming T.O.'s roster bonus is funded and TG is healthy, there is no room. Crayton just signed a new deal, the team seems to love Stanback, and Hurd isn't going anywhere...he would have to be considered the best 4th or 5th WR in the league. Sure, they could always look in the later rounds to find an uncovered gem or a guy that could double as a punt/kick returner, but they will not draft a WR in the first three rounds if that guy is going to sit on the bench. It just wouldn't be the best use of a high draft pick.
I think the teams picks 2 DBs within the first 3 picks...assuming they stand pat. We have nothing behind Newman and Henry and not much more behind Hamlin and Roy at the safety position. With T-New and Henry over 30, Hamlin on a one year deal, and Roy skating on thin ice...this team needs to go heavy at DB and it needs to do it early.
by Sam @ Blogging The Boys on Mar 19, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
Re: Sam
Regarding the draft, I would not be surprised at all if the Cowboys didn't draft a WR until the late rounds or maybe not at all in the draft. I keep reading about how the Cowboys are going to draft a WR, but I'm not so sure.
WR is probably third on the list considering the depth we have. It's not a big priority IMO. I think maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round we could draft a WR, but not in the first, no way. The quality of WR's this year is not very good and very few worthy of a first round grade.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 19, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
glenn
sam, thanks for posting. you may be right regarding glenn. and if we don't pick up a WR as a priority in the draft, that may be a sign that the team has confidence in his health for next season. i sure hope he has another good season in him, I would love to see TG and TO tearing up secondaries together.
good job Sam....welcome aboard....
Very well said....I totally agree, and would also like to see two DB's drafted on day one, at least in the first 3 rounds........
And I also agree that we won't or shouldn't be looking WR until the 4th-5th rounds....There will be plenty of field stretching slot receivers in that area. Will Franklin being a very good selection for round 4 or 5.
I see plenty of trades going on in this draft...more than ever in the first round actually...The fact "every" top CB is coming to Valley Ranch for a looksie...I see the Cowboys being one of several teams jumping UP, somewhere between pick's #7 - #14....if both DRC and McLovin get past NYJ into NE's pick #7 ....I also see the possibility of of Talib going to Detroit or Tampa...I look for Jenkins going to either of those teams, or Arizona, or Washington...or others.
IF we stay still at #22 and #28....CB's available will be Antoine Casom, Tracy Porter, and hybrid CB/S Reggie Smith...being there at #22....I feel that is too early for all three.
Next option is RB....DMac gone, Mendenhall gone, Stewart, more than likely still going (Arizona) top 20...I totally disagree with selecting Stewart at #22 if avaiable..He is recovering from stress fracture operation, that NOBODY knows for sure if he'll respond without any lingering ailments..He will not be working out, or will he be ready to start the season.We need players ready to go DAY 1.
The easiest selection here at #22 is Felix Jones..., This is under the assumption that all the top 3 CB's are gone, and all of the top 3 RB's are gone. Felix Jones IS and WILL be STARTER in this league, or at least be counted on to share quite a bit of the load in the two back system that every team is going to....He is as big as Julius Jones, Willie Parker, and Brian Westbrook, just to name a few. Can he carry the load ?? no......not even MBIII will be getting 20+ carries a game....So, neither can the aforementioned guys, as we will be using a committee RB system no matter what..You don't need to have the thumper start, and have the speed guy fill that role...Julius Jones starting for us worked fine the past few years, Can't imagine a drop off if F Jones had to be put in that position.......Can he carry the ball 14-18 times a game..I have no doubt at all.
At #28....with ALL the top CB's and RB's gone, we may either drop down into the top of the second, by trading to Miami, Atlanta, Oakland, KC...top 40 area...hopefully pick up a few choice picks as well...BUT,
If we are staying put at #28....I'd select Antoine Cason..He is the most polished of ALL the CB's in this draft...He would be an excellent slot/3rd CB, and start immediately. He also is an accomplished kick returner, and a high character guy.If he is not available, I'd have to select Reggie Smith at #28 , due to his versatility to play slot CB/ and eventually FS/or even SS..if and or when we lose Roy Williams, and/or Hamlin after this season. Third choice at #28 would be Tracy Porter-CB....a Newman clone, with much much upside. Also a great return man.
IF, by chance all those RB's and CB's are selected before pick #28....The only "special" WR ranked in the first round is DeSean Jackson...IF he was still available at 28, I would have to think long and hard about bypassing him, if we chose a CB prior to that pick...I'd no doubt take Jackson at 28, if we get a CB earlier....He IS the "WOW" factor player in this draft...you'll see.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 19, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Quality thread, Glorydayz
Running back: I don't think this is as great a need as the majority of the Cowboys following. Marion Barber is an absolute stud and could easily handle 250 or more carries, but is at his best when playing part-time. We don't need a Stewart, Mendenhall, or (especially) McFadden. A couple of players I'd like to see collect a cursory glance are Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, and Mike Hart. Johnson and Charles should go in the early second round, Rice in the late 2nd or early 3rd, and Hart in the 4th or 5th. Charles and Johnson fit the 'burner' mode to a tee and would complement Barber terrifically. Hart and Rice are two players who I see as value picks; guys who slide based on various concerns but are better prospects than their draft slot will suggest.
If I had to pick one guy, It'd be Charles. If he can right his fumbling issues, the guy could be a premier back in the mold of Willie Parker.
by BudLight @ Blogging The Boys on Mar 19, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
Oops, forgot to post my others
Wide Receiver: I see this as a need. Beyonnd Owens and Crayton, we have nothing but question marks. I like Sam Hurd and love the potential of Stanback and Austin, but if even one of them turns into a quality receiver I'll be pleased. This team needs a field-stretcher; Crayton and Witten are both possession receivers and should be around for a while. TO is as freaky an athlete as we've had here since Deion, but he's still going to be 34. That being said, my pick might come as something of a surprise because the player in question is not strictly a 'speed' guy. He's 6'4 and known for his hands, but...
Limas Sweed is a guy who has been relied on to go up for red zone passes and deep plays and come down with them. He's very athletic and has the sort of long stride that translates to late speed rather than acceleration, which can be quite an asset for big plays. His injury issues might be enough to drop him to 22, in which case he'd be a perfect fit.
Cornerback: I like Leodis McKelvin as much as I have any corner prospect since Pac-Man. Evidently, though, I'm not the only one-the guy will almost certainly be a top 10 pick. On a rung only marginally lower is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who has been enormously impressive to anyone with the sense of sight. At that point, we come to the next rung of corners: Mike Jenkins, Reggie Smith, and Aqib Talib. Jenkins is polished, talented, and a bit of a troublemaker. Talib is a playmaker whose speed is less than optimal and whose motivation has been questioned. As a player, he's in the mold of our own Anthony Henry. Solid against the run, a gambler, perhaps not the fastest but possessing the size to make up for it. Reggie Smith is a bit raw, but is a good, versatile DB who can play both CB and safety.
If I had to pick one right now, It'd be Smith. By this time next year, Ham and Roy could both be elsewhere. We need a player who can contribute long term, and we could actually need a safety more than a CB by this time next year. Smith would play the nickel in 2008 and go from there. He might be a slight reach at 22, but 28 is right about right for a player of his skill-set.
Others I'd be interested in: Antoine Cason (late 1st/early 2nd) Brandon Flowers or Justin King (late 2nd) Jack Ikegwuonu (late 2nd day).
by BudLight @ Blogging The Boys on Mar 19, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Bigrigga's picks
CB = DRC would be great if there, if not Cason looks solid
RB = Mendenhall's legs never stop churning. If not there, Felix or Stewart (Should he drop).
WR = Malcolm Kelly, Malcolm Kelly, Malcolm Kelly
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 19, 2008 11:26 AM CDT reply actions
My picks
CB: DRC or Jenkins
RB: Jones, Stewart or Johnson
WR: Manningham (dodges bricks)
by Nelson @ Blogging The Boys on Mar 19, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions
My Realistic Three
CB - Antoine Cason (Arizona)
RB - Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) [as most of us have speculated, he'll slide as a result of the surgery]
WR - Mario Manningham (Michigan) [no bricks from me, Nelson... he's stepped up in big games against top competition in a tough conference and is a playmaker]
Well let's see here
This is hard to say because there's no telling who will be there at 22 and 28 but....
To me WR is a toss up because we have T.O., Crayton, Stanback, Hurd, Austin, and hopefully a healthy Terry Glenn. Even if we lose T.G. I think we'll still be a very productive receiving unit this year. What people sometimes seemingly forget is that we have an amazing TE in Jason Witten who is basically our 2nd receiver. I don't know about you guys but I'm very intrigued by what Stanback can potentially bring to our offense, yet another reason why receiver isn't big on my list. So.. worst case scenario we have T.O., Witten, Crayton, Stanback, Hurd, and Austin and to me that's not a problem at all. The crop of receivers this year isn't one that blows me away and I think by the time we pick at 28 the one's worth taking in the first round are long gone anyway. All that said, I have receiver as my 3rd position of need.
Running back is a definite position of need because we basically have Barber and.... Alonzo Coleman? However, there are lot's of talented guys in this years draft who should be more than capable of getting the job done behind Barber, probably even into the 3rd round or beyond we'd be able to pick up quality guys.
Corner is set at my absolute #1 position of need without question. If this were my draft and my decisions to be made, I'd seriously consider taking 2 corners in the first round depending on who's available. If we could get Jenkins at #22 and Talib at #28, I would do it without question. Obviously if DRC or McKelvin are there, I'd go that route but I think either of those guys falling is unlikely. If only one of the above mentioned is available by #28 I go RB and scoop up Felix or Stewart if he's available.
All in all I think in this draft we get
2 CB's
2 RB's
1 WR
and then we'll probably look for the best of the rest to fill whatever pick we have remaining.
good points on the receiving unit
even without glenn, we're coming back with the same guys who were one of the most explosive passing offenses in the league last year. yes, because receivers generally take time to develop, it is important to think down the road. but for next season, even if we have the same unit as last year, we'll be looking good. and if either glenn comes back healthy or we add another solid #2 who can help spread the field and open things up for T.O. and the others, we'll be looking totally freakin' awesome.
My top 3
1-DMAC
2-DRC
3-Mendendhall
Mckelvin is probably more NFL ready than DRC, but his upside is better.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 19, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Three picks
CB - Aqib Talib
RB - Felix Jones
WR - Devin Thomas
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