Draft Options and Point Values
by calebsmith on Mar 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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I was watching NFL Total Access last night and Schefter started talking about the point values of each draft pick. He was specifically talking about Dallas trading up to get DMac and what they would have to give up. I haven't been on the TRADING UP BUS like some fans are. I have been of the opinion that we stay we where we are, or trade back for something next year and a later pick.
After watching Total Access, I decided to look up the point values of each pick. Here's the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
After looking at this point system, I am for sure not on TRADE UP BUS, because DMac won't slide past Oakland and our first 3 Draft Picks (22, 28, 60) won't quite be enough to trade with them.
Although, there are a couple of situations where I think I might actually trade up now.
Situation 1
Leodis McKelvin or DRC are still on the board at number 9. Trade 22 and 28 with the Bengals or Saints to get 9 or 10. Then we can go with Jamaal Charles or Chris Johnson in the 2nd.
Situation 2
I don't think McKelvin will slide as far as 15, but I think there is a chance DRC might. If that is the case we can trade picks 22 and 60 to move up to 15.
Situation 3
Trading our 28 and 60 to move up to 17 or 18. Haha. I really don't have a good reason besides ticking off some Philly fans. There is nothing better than seeing a mad Eagles fan. If we did this we would move up right in front of Philadelphia.
Anyways, I been going through some doable situations now that I have seen the point value chart. Think it through and share your draft strategy.
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if the cowboys aquire Pacman Jones
Dallas wont be trading up for a corner. I really believe Dallas will be trading down with one of those picks or trading one to another team for a receiver.
by Deke on Mar 25, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if we don't get PacMan we won't
be trading up, especially not in the top 10. None of these corners are worth trading two first round picks for. The only way we trade up this year is for DMAC. That's the only scenerio I see and it may only happen if he slides to the 6 range which could appears likely. #4 or #6 appears to be where he will be drafted.
If we don't draft a CB with the 22nd or 28th pick we will draft one in the second round.
My instincts tell me Jerry is more focused on drafting a RB to compliment MB3, finding a WR via the draft or trade now because he thinks the PacMan trade will happen.
Felix Jones makes the most sense at 22 and either trading down the 28th pick for a additional 2nd or 3rd, or trading the pick completely for a player via trade.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DMAC
won't get past Oakland. But let's say he did, we would still have to trade both of our 1st rounds and probably our another draft pick for the number 6 spot. Not possible, nor is Dmac worth it.
If we stay at the spots we have, with our without Pacman, we have to get a CB first because of the teams between 22 and 28 who need CBs. It's more probable that an RB that is there at 22 will slide to 28. And WR is the least of the three concerns so that should be our 2nd round pick.
by calebsmith on Mar 25, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think situation 2 is the most likely
but not #15, but the Bears pick at #14. They like Felix Jones, so they trade #14 to us for #22 and #61. There is a good chance either DRC or Mendenhall will be there at #14.
by Terry on Mar 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So assuming that we acquire Pacman
If we do trade with the bears, and Mendenhall and DRC are there, which one do you go with?
I think I might have to get Mendenhall. I know Pacman is a risk and whether we have him or not we need a CB, but I would go with Mendenhall he one my vote with about %50.5 while DRC has %49.5. That's how tough a decision it would be for me.
If we didn't get Pacman, it makes the decision alot easier, DRC. No Question!
by calebsmith on Mar 25, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Mendenhall either way because
he is a better player. It would give us leverage in case we are unable to sign MB3 to a long term deal after next season. He's super stud who has his best playing days ahead of him.
We could still get a CB like Cason at #28 who IMO is the 3rd best CB in the draft.
by Terry on Mar 25, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like DRC a little better
just for the simple fact that there are more teams looking for CB's than RB's, or so it seems. Don't get me wrong, if got Mendenhall I would be pumped, but I think we take DRC and try to get Jonathon Stewart (slight chance) to slide. If not we can get Felix Jones.
I like this combination (DRC and Jonathon Stewart/Felix Jones) better than Mendenhall and Cason.
If we get Pacman I'm 100% with you though.
by calebsmith on Mar 25, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree caleb...
DRC and Felix Jones is the best possible solution imaginable...even if we aquire Pacman...
we NEED TWO top tier DB's....
There is a very good chance Henry, Hamlin, Williams, and Newman can be gone after this season....or at the latest after '09.....Time is now to secure our 2 starting CB's for the next decade. DRC can actually play FS if Newman is resigned long term...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 25, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mendenhall without a doubt
I like DRC, but with doubts surrounding MB3 after this season Mendenhall makes the most sense. PacMan will solve our problem at CB this season.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can keep out of trouble
I certainly wouldn't assume that is a given.
by Terry on Mar 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor would I assume Newman will be back..or Henry.
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 25, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confident the Cowboys will re-sign
Newman before the season is over, I'd be shocked if they didn't.
by Terry on Mar 25, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be, did you hear his interview
on Serius Radio. He wants Samuel and Hall type money.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 25, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry will make it work
Ware and Newman are by far the Cowboys best defensive players. I'm sure the Cowboys will make both the next top priority signings going into the season.
by Terry on Mar 25, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if Newman is one of the best
defensive players on the team. The point is he will be 31 when his contract runs out and Jerry won't give him a big contract which he wants.
Franchise Newman for one season. After that time, he will be 32 and see if he would agree to a 2-3 year deal. If not, let him walk. We should have a good amount of quality players to replace him by that time if it doesn't work out.
by Cowboys81 on Mar 26, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you understand the cost of franchising a CB?
That is a bad idea, and the players don't like it either so it makes the chance of re-signing them after franchising them less likely.
The best plan is to just give the guy his money, he's worth every penny of a Trufant type contract.
Jerry Jones is not going to wait for his current contract to expire without renegotiating an extension.
by APerfectStar on Mar 26, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the cost of franchising a CB
this year ($9M+) is not much more than signing a good one ($8-10M. There are two differences: 1 length of contract - the argument is a good one here because 6 or 7 years for a 31 year old CB is absurd. Second the charge against the cap can be lower early but eventually will screw the team cap when the player must be released.
So I think Newman will sign a 5 year extension for $45M sometime this year and if not will be franchised.
by lee3022 on Mar 26, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee, I respect your opinion
But you are forgetting that Newman is only 29 yrs old right now. He will turn 30 on 9/4/08. The Cowboys should renegotiate his contract right now using Trufant's new contract as the template.
Obviously the Cowboys are not going to wait until his current contract is up, and then give him a 6 year deal. But, if they do the 6 year deal this off-season, Newman with be on the cusp of turning 35 when it runs out. Realistically, the final year of a 6 year deal can be thrown out, so if Newman's skills have diminished by that time (he will still be 34 years old , and may in fact, still be a starting quality CB) the team can cut him or renegotiate a new deal. However the 6 year length would allow the guaranteed money to be spread out so the Cowboys would not take any major cap hit if the do release him.
Letting his current deal expire when he is 31, franchise him for $10 million, and then try to get a new deal done is bad business and would certainly guarantee Newman would not be a happy camper, and harder to get a deal done. I'd give that scenario 0% chance of happening.
by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do understand that reasoning Tom.....
If he signed right now for 8 years..i'd be happy.....but nowhere near 9-10 million/per....He's worth more like 7.5/8 mil per....so...8 years/ 78 million....20 million bonus...sound ok...accept it or hit the bricks in '10.
'08 5 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'09 5 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'10 7 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'11 7 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'12 8 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'13 8 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'14 9 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
'15 9 mil salary + 2.5 million bonus
this is how i see his contract being written up...
4 years/34 million...then cut him loose if no longer effective...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Even I wouldn't offer 8 years, and I firmly believe Newman will finish his career in Dallas.
The only reason he doesn't get more hype is his low INT rate, but he can take the opponent's top WR out of the game.
I'll never forget that Carolina game when Steve Smith was considered the best WR in the league at the time. TNew didn't let him catch 1 pass and Smith blew a gasket out of frustration, and got tossed from the game. Man that was sweet.
by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had originally listed 6....but wanted to spread
out that signing bonus...I'm not sure how they work those deals.....but realistically....the first 4 years of any contract are the ones that will count....so....like i said.....somewhere around 4 years/ 34 million should di it...otherwise.....screw 'em...
by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta think the PacMan trade is going down...
...therefore, CB won't be a first round need. If he can be had for a 5th or lower, Jerry pulls the triggers and takes his chances with Newman/Henry/Jones as his top CB's.
Don't see Dallas staying put at both #22 and #28. If someone comes calling with a future first rounder (a la Cleveland last year), Jerry moves down. Also, don't discount the possibility of him moving one of those picks for a starting WR (Chad or, to a less likely extent, Roy Williams).
If he can come out of this draft with a WR and RB who can contribute immediately, some depth in the middle later rounds, and PacMan, you'll have to consider things a success.
by MPC4LIFE on Mar 25, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we have to approach the draft
as though we don't even have Pacman (assuming we get him). We still need another corner to be safe. WR is a need, but we have everyone from last year so I think we will be alright with a 2nd rounder. The CB need outweighs the WR with our without Pacman. I think there's a different case with RB. If we get Pacman, then I would be a little bit more likely to take an RB before a CB depending on who's there.
by calebsmith on Mar 26, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree.
by Nelson on Mar 26, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
If the top CB's are gone, and one of the better WR's or RB's slides, I'd prefer to see the pick used to grab one. Then use a later pick on CB.
by MPC4LIFE on Mar 26, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with that
is that there aren't really any WR rated as 1st rounders. There will be a couple that go, but this year there aren't many and the ones that might be considered 1st rounders will go before Dallas (Malcolm Kelly, Desean Jackson, Devin Thomas). None of these guys thrill me in the 1st round. I wouldn't mind getting them but I think there will be better picks at CB and RB.
by calebsmith on Mar 26, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we disagree...
by MPC4LIFE on Mar 26, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
about Sweed...
it is possible he goes in the first as well
about Brandon Flowers...
I wouldn't take him in the first round either
I would take McKelvin, DRC, and Jenkins over any WR in the draft and I would take Cason and Talib over any WR except Kelly, Jackson, and Thomas.
At least we agree that our first 3 picks should consist of WR, CB, RB.
by calebsmith on Mar 26, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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