SI.com source: Cowboys offering draft pick plus player for Pacman

what player?

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My popcorn's ready!

by CowboyBawler4 on Mar 26, 2008 10:44 PM CDT 0 recs

Captain Caveman?

by coolaid on Mar 26, 2008 10:58 PM CDT 0 recs

I would say that they might want Carpenter, but I think that's giving up on a player too quickly. They have already said that they do not want Pacman so why should we give up someone with that much potential to take a player off their hands?

I would say a 7th round pick and maybe a conditional pick next year. Let's say a 7th that could go up to a 5th depending on playing time. That way, if Pacman doesn't play or gets in trouble, we lost a 7th rounder this year and 7th rounders aren't really counted on anyway.

by futurecoach on Mar 26, 2008 11:01 PM CDT 0 recs

Pretty Pleaaasssee

Let it be Roy Williams. hahahaha

We could clear up cap space to sign Newman and draft Kenny Phillips. Then move Hamlin back to his natural position of free safety.

by Impatient on Mar 26, 2008 11:01 PM CDT 0 recs

oops

I meant back to strong safety...

And I know we could get more for Roy then Pacman but I really dislike the original 38

by Impatient on Mar 26, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Geez Its obviously Akin Ayodele

its a no-brainer. We would free up $500,000 of cap space by trading him.

by quincyyyyy on Mar 26, 2008 11:09 PM CDT 0 recs

makes sense

My popcorn's ready!

by CowboyBawler4 on Mar 26, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

yup

my guess as well

by sublimezg on Mar 26, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

that's my guess too. AA immediately came to mind.

Akin Ayodele, that is.

Not Alcoholics Anonymous...

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by kcbrett5 on Mar 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

Ayodele is my guess

He's the guy they'd be targeting to cut or move, I'm guessing, based on cap, need, and potential. Nothing great, but a serviceable player for a team with cap room.

by grapejoos on Mar 26, 2008 11:11 PM CDT 0 recs

I Agree

Ayodele not only frees cap space but he probably gets cut anyway.
I would not consider it a surprize, however, for the Cowboys to use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on an ILB. Thomas isn't going to play forever and they can train the newbie to step up when he's done.

by raysheff on Mar 26, 2008 11:12 PM CDT 0 recs

I have no idea which player they have in mind

But I'm glad they're sticking to their guns about the 7th-round selection.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson on Mar 26, 2008 11:44 PM CDT 0 recs

it says "late-round"

that could be 5th through 7th.

by quincyyyyy on Mar 26, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

I've been listening to Serius Radio

all night and didn't hear anything about a player. The latest was Tenn wanting a 3rd round pick and we are offering a 5th which could turn into a 4th.

Me loves some PacMan!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 12:43 AM CDT 0 recs

my guess was Carpenter...

but I'd be happy with Roy Williams.

by preacher on Mar 27, 2008 12:55 AM CDT 0 recs

my guess is Ayodele....but...

It can be Spears, Williams, Kosier, Henry, or Carpenter.....most logical is Ayodele..

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 6:12 AM CDT 0 recs

You are aiming too high

Those players are worth more than to just give away to a team thats over a barrel. The Titans are lucky to get anything at all.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 6:18 AM CDT up 0 recs

I agree, here's my pick

Remember, It would cost us 4.5 mil to trade Carpenter so that's not going to happen. Ayodele makes the most sense, but maybe it's a offensive lineman like Martin or Mcquistan.

Here's my pick: Burnett. He is in the last year of his contract I think and probably won't be resigned.

Me loves some PacMan!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up 0 recs

I hope not...

Burnett gets a good dose of playing time and in my opinion has been very effective. If we deal a LB, I hope it's Ayodele.

by nonotmenever on Mar 27, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up 0 recs

The Titans need a WR

Maybe Miles Austin.

Ayodele plus a draft pick (no matter how low) is still too much to give to the Titans for a player who is still not cleared to play, and is one bone head move away from lifetime banishment. Not to mention the fact that the Cowboys are the only suitors, and Pacman will never play another game for the Titans no matter what.
They are lucky to get anything for the guy.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 6:15 AM CDT 0 recs

absolutely, I agree Tom

I still think giving them anything for that thug is moronic.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

That may be

But we're probably going to cut Ayodele anyway for cap reasons, so ensuring he goes to a AFC team isn't the worst way to dispose of him. In terms of value lost, it will only be the pick.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up 0 recs

I agree Ayodele will probably be gone

But I'd rather see the Cowboys keep him to use for a possible trade on draft day.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up 0 recs

once again Tom..i agree....trade Ayodele to Atl..

for one of their top second rounders, for our 3rd rounder and Ayodele. something like that....Ayodele has some value for sure, I'd perfer to package a receiver and a late rounder for Pacman...Hurd or Austin..I don't even care...but I'd think Austin would be more prized for Tennessee cuz of his return skills.

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by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

you're not getting anything more than

a fifth or sixth rounder for Akin Ayodele

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Mar 27, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

I wasn't thinking of a straight up trade

More along the lines of moving up within a round by adding Ayodele to a swap of picks.

If there is a player the Cowboys want, but may be a couple spots back and worried about another team picking him before Dallas is on the clock.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

damn Tom.....good call...I should have included

Yeah.....he'd be an ideal give a way...seeing that he's not going to make our '08 roster anyhow...

Austin and a 6th-7th rounder for Pacman....sign me up.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks Boyz

I know the Titans need WR help, and I would think they'd be happy to get a guy like Austin (has potential and a decent KO returner) in addition to a lower round pick. But what do I know.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree with most

Akin Ayoldele makes the most sense here. Ayodele+ a 7th with a conditional 6th next year depending on the number of snaps he plays should get it done for both teams. I'd suggest Spears, but he's not a fit in their scheme. They don't especially need Roy, and Carpenter is worth more than PacMan at this point-I'd ask for additional compensation from them if I put CC on the table.

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by BudLight on Mar 27, 2008 7:28 AM CDT 0 recs

Player??

I can't guess....

However, if we are adding a player into this transaction who is probably going to get cut anyway; them plus a 7th round draft choice is reasonable. I would have thought we would give up a 5th round pick, so a 7th and a player who is on the way out anyway works better for our team.

However, the more i read about packman the less i like the idea, not because of what we would give up for him, but i don't think he will last... just an opinion, but i just don't think he will be on our team the entire year... i think he WILL mess up and get suspended again....

then we are in trouble....

if we do end up with him, of course i will cross my fingers and hope....

by stephena on Mar 27, 2008 8:14 AM CDT 0 recs

you're absolutely right stephena

its highly unlikely he lasts the season, and almost a certainly he'll mess up eventually.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up 0 recs

yea, and I am bummed out about it

i WAS in the camp of 'well as long as we don't give up too much, what's the down side....'

but now after hearing and reading more, i kind of agree with what Mark Schleareth (sp??) said on ESPN last night.. on how players might start to gravitate towards 'the dark side' because of pac and NOT the other way around.

I could see us having a phenominal first half of the season (7-1, 8-0, something like that) with us playing really, really well (after we add the 'wow' on offense, then with pac on D, and with our D under another year of Wade's 3-4)....

then some younger players start to get too cocky, partying (led by pac - who to this point is having a great year), etc.... then we lose a game or two and the vets come down on the younger guys, and the team starts to fall apart.... we play out the last month of the season (2 and 2)and get into the playoffs, limping, like last year then at some point along the way we just are not able to beat a team that is playing well (just like the Giant game last year)

by stephena on Mar 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

Schlearth does have a point

PacMan wouldn't infect the high character veteran guys on the team, but he would have a detrimental effect on the young, impressional players. I think he could very easily divide the locker room because of it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

perhaps Bobby Carpenter??

I think that ups the ante a bit. I would prefer to see Carpenter stay in town and hope he gells but I'm not sure he will get much playing time in BigD so trade him to a team that will put him on the field.

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by martyogelvie on Mar 27, 2008 9:05 AM CDT 0 recs

Player Speculation

The player would have to be someone with both of the following characteristics: (1) trading him would not accelerate a significant signing bonus into our 2008 salary cap and (2) the player is not being counted on to be a starter or major contributor in 2008.

Very few players on the current roster fit the profile. For better or worse, Roy is out of the conversation because he fails both of the above criteria. Kosier and Henry would seem to be out since they are penciled in as starters. Carpenter would accelerate a large signing bonus to the cap. It seems like the top candidate that fits the profile is Ayodele. The dark horse candidates would seem to be Hurd, Austin and maybe even Spears if the staff thinks Canty, Ratliff and Hatcher are all ahead of him on the depth chart.

Throw my lot in with the crowd that doesn’t want to give any player up for Adam Jones other than the bottom feeders that would be churned anyway. If we are going to pursue Adam Jones, then I would like to see the compensation be a conditional pick based on Adam’s ability to stay out of trouble in 2008. I vote for a 2009 sixth round pick that accelerates to a fourth if Adam tows the line through the entire 2008 regular and post season.

(Oh, and I think it is time for "Pac Man" to be retired. Adam Jones needs a new start).

by Cowboy Louie on Mar 27, 2008 9:05 AM CDT 0 recs

nah

If he was never called Pac Man, Adam would still have the baggage he has. I personally prefer Pac Man, since 'Adam Jones' reminds me of the guy from TOOL.

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson on Mar 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up 0 recs

Sound trivial, but

I know is sounds trivial on the surface, but...

I think "Pac Man" strongly represents an image that Adam feels obligated to live up to. Names, labels and images have powerful effects on behavior. "Pac Man" is nothing more than a marketing image he has created for himself that represents a devil-may-care ladies man/party guy who can get away with anything because he is an extraordinary football player. Well, that was his former reality, but now Goodell has made sure that there are severe consequences for his rowdy and illegal behavior.

If he came out publicly and requested that from this point forward, he would prefer to be called Adam Jones it would send a strong signal that what "Pac Man" represented is behind him and that he is trying to make a fresh start. And, he would then feel obligated to live up the clean image of Adam Jones as opposed to the 'make it rain' image of Pac Man.

Then again, maybe he is just a goon who will never change and perhaps I just have a bit too much time on my hands at work today.

by Cowboy Louie on Mar 27, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

Louie, you're absolutely dead on with the latter.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

I think you guys are reading way too far into thi

Don't be so afraid of what could happen. Pretty sure

a. Our players wouldn't be stupid enough to follow in Pacs foot steps

b. Pac was a good locker room guy according to teammates

c. You can bet your ass Pacs contract will have all kinds of conditions in it including both on and off field activities.

I for one am not worried about this in the least.

by sublimezg on Mar 27, 2008 9:28 AM CDT 0 recs

me neither sublime, the vets will keep him somber

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dallas News Blog says this

The other story from SI.com has the Cowboys offering a seventh round pick and a player to the Titans for Pacman. Checked that out with people, too. They said it's not true.

by sublimezg on Mar 27, 2008 9:31 AM CDT 0 recs

I'm hoping the "real" serious interest

in the guy isn't true to be honest. I feel like writing a letter to Goodell pleading not to reinstate him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

take a deep breath Terry

I know you're opposed to this, but I don't think he'll be the doomsday scenario player that you're envisioning. While he's not a good guy, the Cowboys have employed players who have been in trouble with the law before, some of whom were champions and are beloved by the team. We've brought in malcontents and they've played at a high level for us. Pacman may or may not help the team win a Super Bowl, and he may or may not make it through the season. But he's not going to bring down the team. He'll be gone at the first slip-up, and the players will support that. The Cowboys will (hopefully) still draft a CB and almost pretend he's not there. It's going to work out whether Pacman is a great addition for us or not.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up 0 recs

while I appreciate your optimism

I disagree that PacMan is like any player we ever had on the team. I really do think there is a great chance he would affect our team chemistry in a very negative way. Also, at some point, the team is going to have to trust him and he'll let them down. I don't understand the statement that the Cowboys will pretend he's not there, that doesn't make sense to me.

Like JJT said, its simply a bad idea any way you look at it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up 0 recs

I don't get it

Pacman may not be exactly like any guy we've brought in, but he shares characteristics with guys that have come in and been successful, as well as guys who haven't. My optimism is just as grounded as your pessimism. When I say they will pretend he's not there, I mean they will still draft a CB, still prepare for the future at that position. You have to take risks to succeed. This team has a rapidly closing window and desperately needs help at CB and in the return game. A former 6th-overall pick, pro bowl caliber player at both positions is on the market and we can get him for peanuts. In addition, we can give him a contract that lets the team boot him the first time he does anything wrong, and he'll be playing with that understanding. Unless it's just the principle of the thing that offends you so deeply, I don't understand why you're so unwilling to consider this. There is very little risk for the team and enormous potential gain. He is not going to ruin the locker room, and he is not going to drag guys down with him. He didn't do that in Tennessee, and we have stronger leaders here.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

its a trust issue grapjoos

its not as cut and dry as everyone seems to think. Even if we draft a CB high, PacMan would still get all the playing time over that rookie, therefore the kid wouldn't have a chance to develop as the season went on, like Aaron Ross did with the GMen. By the time the playoffs started, he was playing very well.

If PacMan is signed, that scenario with us doesn't happen. PacMan plays the nickel or even starts opposite Newman and is also is our main punt returner.

So then you have a situation where Pacman is now an intergal part of our team, playoffs are near, he screws up, gets suspended, and the team is left high and dry having to rely on a rookie with hardly any expereince and Crayton back returning punts.

Its true you have to take some risks, but this one is too great and more than likely is doomed to blow up in our face.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

Well, let's agree to disagree then

and hope for the best either way. We have radically different ideas of the levels of risk and reward involved here. And frankly, given the health of our secondary last year, something tells me our 4th CB could be seeing significant playtime in any case.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up 0 recs

here's the kind of stuff I'm talking about

There is plenty for commissioner Goodell to scrutinize, just judging from the old newspaper and TV reports. A television station in Nashville reported that Pacman was good friends with Darryl Moore, an alleged "drug kingpin" who was at the center of a bust that netted 2,000 pounds of illegal substances and nine major arrests. In a taped conversation, Moore reportedly said he was worried about Pacman's behavior, not his.
And then there is the tragic case of Tommy Urbanski, the bouncer who was left paralyzed after a triple shooting in a Las Vegas strip club, an incident that Pacman Jones' entourage is alleged to have played a role in.

link

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by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm fully aware

He sounds like a mix of Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis, minus the prison time. I'm just saying, we've had guys with drug problems before, we've had guys that were unreliable teammates before, etc. They don't always work out, but when an all pro player is there for pennies on the dollar, both in compensation and against the cap, and you can minimize your risk, it's a chance you have to take. At least that's how I see it. I certainly understand your concerns but I have more faith in the ability of the team to minimize risks and even in Pacman to behave himself. I know Pacman has been a thug his whole life and everyone will say this will fail. Everyone thought TO would destroy this team too, and it hasn't happened.

You can look at it as if Pacman is going to come in and guys like Tank Johnson, etc. are suddenly going to revert to their bad ways, or you can look at it as Pacman getting a chance to be around guys who both do things the right way now and have had trouble in the past.

We have guys like TO and Tank that can relate to Pacman's situation on a personal level (being banished and getting a "last chance"). We also have leaders like Zach Thomas who carry a lot more credibility, experience, and wins than anyone in that Titans locker room did. There's reason to be optimistic, just as there is reason to be negative. That's all I'm trying to say.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

here is where we differ

I have more faith in the ability of the team to minimize risks and even in Pacman to behave himself.

See, I have absolutely no faith in Pacman, none whatsoever. He's a criminal and thug who just doesn't get it, I know people like him, they're not capable of changing.

I also have no faith in the team because he's a grown man and grown men do what they want to do, its as simple as that.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah, I gathered that

You've made your opinion on Pacman being a criminal and thug forever and ever quite clear. If you think there'a a 100% chance of failure, then of course the trade would be a bad idea in your eyes. I don't see how you can possibly conclude that there is absolutely no chance of redemption for him based on the Cowboys' track record in these situations, but every player is different.

My calculus is a little different. I see the reward as being enormous - I think Pacman would make this the best defense in the NFL. The risk is very significant, and certainly higher than any player I've ever wanted the Cowboys to sign (and I didn't want them to sign TO), but I still think that putting it over 50%, or 75% for him making it through one season is pretty extreme. And even at 75%, I think it's a risk worth taking.

We're not going to change each other's minds, but Pacman is going to change one of ours, assuming this trade happens.

by grapejoos on Mar 27, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

Cowboys track record doesn't matter

because none of the troubled players Jerry signed has ever compared to the Pacman, Irvin, Underwood, Haley, Spellman, Johnson and T.O. are all angels and choir boys compared to this guy.

Pacman, like the saying goes, is a horse of a different color for sure.

But I agree, PacMan is going to prove one of us right and one of us wrong if signed, so I guess we'll all have our fingers crossed and just wait and see.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

+1

by Longhorn on Mar 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up 0 recs

totally agree grape....good write up....

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

yup...

at some point, the team is going to have to trust him

and your words above is what scares me.

I understand da King's past business successes with risk-taking, but this Pacman deal is highly speculative and extremely volatile... and most of all,

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by kcbrett5 on Mar 27, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

it's not like they are

asking him to baby sit their kids. Yes there is a chance he will screw up some time down the road, and we will have to plug someone in that could have been getting the much neaded reps; but would we really be any worse off than last year?

I think most here agree that even if Dallas acquires Pac, they will still draft a CB in the first round.

I am not an advocate of Pac the person, but the football player is very intriguing.

by nonotmenever on Mar 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up 0 recs

but how do you know thats what Jerry is thinking?

He might not draft one of the stud CBs if available if we sign PacMan, he just might go RB and WR, and that is what really worries me the most actually, counting on PacMan too much.

We are assuming Jerry will cover his bases on this and I hope he does, but it an awfully big assumption on our parts, I think.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 27, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up 0 recs

Lets not forget

We may need 2 starters in 09. Henry is probably gone after this season. And What if Newman asks for some crazy money. We will need to find 2 potential starters this offseason. So even if Jerry leans on Pacman to be one, we will still need another. Probably a first rounder.

by GloryDayz88 on Mar 27, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up 0 recs

Glory that exactly there thinking

Newman is not a lock to be resigned, especially at 31. When he was on Serius Radio the other day he clearly said he wants to be paid. If we draft a first round CB and trade for PacMan and he stays the straight and narrow Newman's chances are slim of getting a long term contract. I still think he will be franchised in 2009. He will become a 32-yr old UFA after that season. He won't be happy either getting tagged with the franchise, but he's not geting a long term contract at 31. He's going to have to accept a 2-3 year deal after the season if he wants to stay here, which I don't think he would.

Me loves some PacMan!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up 0 recs

One thing me and Cowboys81 agree on..we NEED 2

2 top quality CB's.... IF Pacman is one of them...then it's so so so much more than I could have ever dreamed of...Trade up to get DRC...and we are set for a decade......as Pac would say to his entourage...."Jerry, Pull the trigger"....well said Cowboy81.....we have to think Henry and possibly Newman won't be here in 2010.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Mar 27, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

The glass is half empty and half full

Like JJT said, its simply a bad idea any way you look at it.

That is because you see the glass half empty. You don't see the potential of the good. You just see the bad. I think that everyone agrees that getting Pacman involves risk. Some see it as a slight risk and others see it as a huge risk, but everyone knows that it is a risk. Therefore, I haven't heard anyone be a total OPTIMIST about this deal. I've seen a lot of PESSIMISTS, and the rest of us are REALISTS. We know that the glass is half empty and half full.

by calebsmith on Mar 27, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up 0 recs

Bobby Carpenter

by Longhorn on Mar 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT 0 recs

It won't be Carpenter...

We would take a 4.5 mil hit on the cap if traded or released. We went over this already.

Ayodele or Burnett makes the most sense because they would give us a surplus on the cap by trading them.

Me loves some PacMan!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

DMN Blog

Is off. They also say that if the Cowboys talk to Jones it would be tampering. Not True since the Titans have given Jones representation permission to seek a trade.

by Impatient on Mar 27, 2008 12:25 PM CDT 0 recs

Link?

I don't see it and I was just on the blog.

Me loves some PacMan!!!!

by Cowboys81 on Mar 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

It is in the same story Grizz

referenced in his update...

Pacman took a tour of the new stadium with Cowboys' officials from NFL Network. Checked it out with people who should know and was told it was false. If Pacman took a tour, then the Cowboys would have tampered with a player under contract with another team. They do not have permission from the Titans to talk with Jones. Given that San Francisco was caught tampering with Lance Briggs and it cost them a fifth-rounder and a flip-flop of third rounders with Chicago, I know the Cowboys would not have been so blatant.

So I think Todd Archer source is a janitor at Valley Ranch.

by Impatient on Mar 27, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up 0 recs