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Rethinking the Safety Position

This is something I've been kicking around in my head for awhile now. I know I'm certainly not the first to post something about it, and I'm sorry if I'm just repeating what someone else has posted, but a few days ago when I was watching something on ESPN about the draft hosted by Jeremy Green and Todd McShay. I think it was Green that said it but they were talking about the safety position and how weak it was in this draft and Green said something about how the safety position had changed. How you used to say that "this guy is going to be a good in the box type guy" and how teams used to care about that.

That got me thinking about this issue again. Isn't the SS position basically obsolete now days?? With teams going three and 4 wide so much, isn't ability to cover the most important thing to have in a safety. Maybe Roy Williams problem isn't just a loss of confidence, being overweight, or not putting in enough time in the film room (those are all HUGE problems though), but the fact that the time have passed him by. He's obsolete. A dinosaur.

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In an article by Len Pasquarelli a couple of years ago he quoted Ravens GM as saying this, "You have to have at least one safety now who has some cornerback-type skills," acknowledged Baltimore general manager Ozzie Newsome, who filled that need when he chose Reed in the first round in 2002. "It's a game of matchups and gaining individual advantages, and it's a lot easier if you don't have to 'situation substitute' every time the offense has three (wide receivers) on the field. If you've got a safety who can line up across from a slot (receiver), it makes things a lot easier. I don't see how you can play the game, the way it is today, without that kind of a guy in your defense."

My question is this: Instead of having at least one safety that has CB skills, why not have TWO safeties that have CB skills?? Instead of looking for a FS type and a SS safety type, why not just go after FS/CB types to man those positions. Hey, I loved those huge hits that Roy used to lay on guys going across the middle, or RB's coming up the gut, but I've grown tired of athletic TE's like Shockey turning Roy into his personal hand puppet. Give me a guy who can cover these type of guys, guys who don't have to come off the field on 3rd downs, who can make just a simple tackle, over the Roy Williams and Donovan Darius' anyday. The Jason Allens, Michael Huffs, and Laron Landrys are the way of the future at the safety position.

I recently posted a mock in another thread where I had us taking safety Josh Barrett from Arizona St. Big, fast, and decent in coverage. Boom or bust type prospect. I've been looking at Quintin Demps also. He's not quite as big, runs in the 4.3's, and is the definition of a playmaker in the secondary. He's been described as a one dimensional type of player by Scott Wright. He might actually be a better prospect for this new type of safety that I'd like to bring on board than Barrett. 17 INT's over the last 4 years doesn't lie. I know that everyone, including me, is hot for a top flight CB because we lost 2 CB's in FA, but we also lost a safety and could use another. Here's my latest mock draft again. Keep in mind that I'm thinking of replacing Barrett with Demps:

1a - WR Devin Thomas
1b - CB Antoine Cason
2 - RB Matt Forte
3 - NT Red Bryant
4 - FS Josh Barrett
5 - QB Josh Johnson
6 - OC Matt Spanos
7 - RB Andre Callender

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I'm in agreement.....

The jury has long since come in with a verdict on Roy Williams...He's not only become a major liability on pass defense....but he's no longer a dominant force in the running game, and has lost his edge as a playmaker...I really can't see him continuing beyond this season, unless his number change is somehow going to turn him around.
Ken Hamlin, although a big addition of stability back their as our QB.....he's simply not worth the 7 million it will cost to retain him beyond this season.
I realize we can only assume at this point we are going to aquire Adam Jones, and I really feel it's a priority to do so. I'm one that would give up a 4th rounder for him...if that indeed is what it will take...'09 pick is what it should be unless he's reinstated before the draft....IF we get Pacman, We can still focus on a first day CB.....but we should think long and hard about aquiring Safety Kenny Phillips in the 1st round...The guy can play either the Strong or Free Safety positions....and can actually play nickle CB if needed. We need a guy like that...Reggie Smith is another guy that can play either FS or CB.....DaJuan Morgan can also play either Safety position....Quinten Demps can play FS only...Charles Godfrey has experience at both safety positions...and is a CB with great measurables, Brandon Flowers, Tyvon Johnson...Terrell Thomas and Chevis Jackson, Dwight Lowery are CB's that can also be switched to FS spots...

This is definately the best group of DB's that are versatile enough to play both CB and FS....lots of tweeners....

And please people...let's not lose site of the fact that Courtney Brown made the transition last year from CB to FS....and I expect much improvement from him...He may suprise some people...I love his numbers...Hopefully he's ready to go this season.

Here's one way of looking at it:

1a) Felix Jones-RB
1b) Kenny Phillips-S

  1.  Charles Godfrey-CB/S
  1.  Red Bryant-NT
  1.  Will Franklin-WR
  1.  Adam Jones-CB (aquired in trade)
  1.  Kevin O'Connell-QB
  1.  Jacob Hester-FB/H-B
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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just want to change the

emphasis on what we look for when drafting safeties. Look for ability in coverage first.

I'm a big fan of Will Franklin. He was overshadowed in college by Maclin and their two great TE's. He runs the deep routes very well and unlike Miles Austin, he can actually catch.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas will never take a safety in the first

round again...

A fourth rounder for Pac-rat, I think you spend too much time in Fantasy football leagues.. No one else wants him, Jerry has the titans over the barrel, they dont want him, either give them a sixth rounder this year or a conditional five next year based on personal conduct, no way do you over pay for a player that is one step from getting a lifetime ban from the NFL.

If dallas wants to take a corner/safety, the player they could get later in the draft is Jack Ikgewuonu out of WISCONSIN, who is recovering from a knee injury and could be a player taken later in the draft that could be a steal, and is certianly better suited as a safety than a corner in the pros. His injury has dropped his stock from a first day draft pick..

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 13, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok....let's draft a guy that can't play for us ??

I'd love for us to draft Jack Ikegwuonu-CB if still available in the 6th or 7th round....but why would you not want to address the safety position ????

  1. We all know that this year is a make or break year for Roy...If he continues with his uninspired play, I( can assure you Jerry will not continue to pay this liability.
  1. Ken Hamlin sure seems to be playing out this season...as the friggin Oakland Raiders priced Hamlin right off the charts...and probably won't get the 7+ mil/year that he's thinking he's worth now...
  1. I, at this point in time do not see Patrick Watkins as our sure fire FS starter in the years to come, I haven't seen enough of Courtney Brown to be convinced he's the answer as our long term FS either...

Kenny Phillips is far and away the best safety in this draft...and his college coach favors him to a combination of Ed Reed and the late Sean Taylor....well, he said he was more like Taylor...while alive...I thought was the best Safety in the league...period....I for one...would take a player of that potential over Roy and Hamlin if given a chance to get him at #28.....Safety is surely as need....right behind, CB,RB,NT....SS then FB....then WR...

Adam Jones will be the CB....and we draft a RB at #22....(Stewart or Jones)...WR in the 4th...FB in the late rounds..NT in the 3rd or later...

So why is sounding so far fetched to you Deke ?

There is no doubt in my mind that the Cowboys will be selecting a Safety in this draft....Why not take the Best one available ????

  1. Kenny Phillips-SS/FS round 1
  1. Tyrell Johnson-SS round 2
  1. DaJuan Morgan-SS/FS round 2
  1. Brandon Flowers-CB/FS round 2
  1. Reggie Smith-FS/CB round 2
  1. Charles Godfrey-CB/SS/FS round 2
  1. Josh Barrett-SS rounds 2, maybe 3
  1. Terrell Thomas-CB/FS round 2, maybe 3
  1. Tyvon Johnson-CB/FS round 2, maybe 3

10)Tom Zbikowski-SS round 3
11)Chevis Jackson-CB/FS round 3
12)Jamar Adams-SS round 4
13)Craig Steltz-SS round 4
14)Quentin Demps-FS round 4

I'll bet at least one of these safeties will be playing for the Dallas Cowboys this season.

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also have Watkins

I think that the Cowboys are pretty high on Pat Watkins who started to heat up down the stretch a year ago and has all the physical tools to excel.

by Romo9 on Apr 13, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we probably have those types of safeties

in Hamlin, Watkins and Brown, but I'm not sure that Watkins and Brown are ever going to be the guys you'd want manning a starting role.

As for your mock. . .

1a - WR Devin Thomas
1b - CB Antoine Cason
2 - RB Matt Forte
3 - NT Red Bryant
4 - FS Josh Barrett
5 - QB Josh Johnson
6 - OC Matt Spanos
7 - RB Andre Callender

I certainly don't think that Devin Thomas is good value at 22 and I don't like Matt Forte, but I'm warming to Red Bryant and really like Josh Johnson as a project.  I know notheing about Spanos or Callendar so I'll reserve comment.  Rather than taking Devin Thomas at 1a - I'd prefer to see Felix Jones or Jonathon Stewart if they are there. . .if not, then the best CB available is the target.

I'm also starting to think that Steve Slaton might become a poor man's Westbrook in the 3rd/4th.

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by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that is

that I don't think any of the top CB's are going to be available at #22. Maybe Talib but I don't want him anymore.

Stewart is a good pick if he's available at #22 but I personally think Jones is a bad value at #22. He should be available at #28. I've seen seen some mocks that have had Devin Thomas going at #11 to Buffalo, so he might not even be available at #22. If Jenkins, McKelvin, DRC, or Stewart are available at #22 I'd take them too but I don't think they'll be there so I projected us taking Thomas.

I guess my problem is that I don't see Jones ever being able to be a starting RB and I do see Forte being able to fill that role.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

explain why you see Forte being a starter ???
 and not Felix Jones....cuz he started in college ? is this your thinking ??? ....I'll put it like this...very simple...If Felix Jones played his college ball at Tulane University...not only would you have never even heard of Matt Forte.....but Felix Jones would have won the Heisman Trophy without a doubt....so what's your thinking ??...seriously...

Oh no...MBIII goes down for the season with a torn ACL......oh...no problem, we got Matt Forte and some worthless clown named Callender to take over the job.......LOL....geez...that's putting fear in our opponents...

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a bacon lover!!LOL

Oh no...MBIII goes down for the season with a torn ACL......oh...no problem, we got Matt Forte and some worthless clown named Callender to take over the job.......LOL....geez...that's putting fear in our opponents...

Yeah, Felix Jones running between the tackles really scares people. Better get his coffin ready as Parcells would say. Why not just bring Tyson Thompson back?? Hell, bring back Aveion Cason. Yes, I believe Forte can be a starting RB because he has done it before. He's got the size to pound it between the tackles and the speed to turn it outside. He's bigger than Jones. He's faster than Jones. He was productive as a starting RB in college no matter the competition. He caught almost as many passes last year as Felix did his whole career. He played very well against some of the top talent in the country at the Senior Bowl. He can be had for a lesser draft pick.

Please explain you're thinking about Felix Jones being a starter. What are you basing it on again?? All his starts in college?? You really think Strahan, Tuck, and Umenyiora are afraid going up against Jones?? News flash Hog fan: Neither Jones, Forte, or even McFadden have proved a damn thing in the NFL. Just because someone played for your Hogs doesn't mean they'll be good in the NFL. It's all a projection.

I'll put it even more simply for you, consider this written in crayon, if Forte had been the backup there in Hogland then he'd have done just as well as Felix, maybe more so, and then he'd be your boy instead. Felix is a damn good football player, no doubt, but he still projects as a complementary back in the NFL, IMO. You really want to spend a #1 pick on that??

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off..I hate Arkansas...

I'm not a Hogs fan at all...their whacked out Houston Nutt offense was pathetic...AND let me go on record as saying i'm a huge Matt Forte fan....and if we don't get Stewart or Jones at #22..I can only hope and pray that we can even get Forte in the second round....

IF you really think he's going to be there at pick #61......your high as hell guy....and THAT is the reasoning of drafting Felix Jones at #22....not because i'm a Hog fan...numb nuts...Forte, Charles, Johnson, and even Rice will be gone at pick #61....

Then what ?????????????????????????????

ok...Tashard Choice, Steve Slaton in round 3 ???

I don't think so...

Oh wait....we can always wait till the 7th and pick up your boy Callender ......LOL

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BoyzRback. . .feeling a bit spry tonight?

You're one of the most consistent posters here and while I don't always think you are on target, you're at least decent when discussing differences.  Calling a dude numb nuts is harsh man. . .Kameleon might have very well fathered children already!  LOL

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem!!!

He swung at them but missed!!!

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Took offense to the Ark homer campaign...........

I know football, I played football...I know football players, I coached football...better yet..I know RB's better than any other position, I scouted RB's......I've seen Felix Jones play...I've seen Matt Forte play live...I like them both....but I take my defense of Felix Jones personally...If any of you can't see why he should play here...then I guess i'm beating an dead horse...We aren't looking for a STARTING RB...We are looking for another Weapon...period....you don't just throw back up, or complimentary to his name and think it's a wasted pick....It's just plain STUPID....and i've been fending off this nonsense for nearly 5 months now....Bring on the draft...Jerry will draft Felix Jones if he is there.....so no sense of bitching about it...or that "IMO" crapola....opinions don't mean nothing to Jerry Jones. He knows Felix is elite..He's not gonna lose out on the best kick returner in the draft...the most explosive big play threat there is ....

Once again...He is NOT a back up RB...He is NOT a complimentary back. He is a Brian Westbrook only 9 years younger....Westbrook was a back up, a complimentary back out of Villinova....would you think he's a wasted pick at #22 ?....i Think Not....And Jones is even better than Westbrook coming out at 20 years old....major upside...with NO wear and tear on his body....

He is a 3 time ALL AMERICAN for pete's sake.....He would be a sure fire top 5 pick if he stayed in school....all i can say is go back to the lovely You Tube video Grizz posted....Felix Jones is the most dynamic, team orientated, all purpose phenom you will ever see.............!!!!!

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, you like the

guy. Good for you. I never said I didn't like the guy. I wasn't lambasting you because you dared to like a player I didn't. I just think that "IMO" you don't draft RB's in the 1st round that you don't think can be a starter at the position. You'll just have to get used to someone having an opinion you think is crapola. Don't blame me because you've been taking sh** for 5 months.

And I think I'll stay away from the YouTube video of Felix. Someone once told me that if your drafting on You Tube video's, post season all star games, and combine results..your not gonna last long as an NFL GM.  

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...good one...

Look....I'm not touting Felix Jones as our only option...If Stewart or Mendenhall are there at #22...I wouldn't be upset if we took one of them over Jones....I just know that Charles, Forte, and Johnson will be gone at #61, and I certainly wouldn't take one of them in the first round. I'm just being realistic...IF we drafted a CB and WR in round one...we'd have to trade UP in the 2nd to have a shot at one of those RB's....I'd hate to have to give up an extra pick to move up on a second tier back. IF we stay put with our picks...and aquire Adam Jones, we HAVE to draft a 1st round RB.......

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's very likely that

Stewart might just fall to us at #22. I wouldn't have any problem taking him. He's also a good KR.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he will make it to #22 ...but....

Even if he did..I'd still have major reservations drafting a guy that has a cast on his foot right now...He had surgery to repair stretched ligiments in his toe...which is what happened to me 20 years ago...and i'm still feeling the effects..It's far worse than your garden variety "turf toe"..i'll tell you that much...He has a long history of nagging foot and ankle injuries....yet nobody seems to wanna talk about that aspect of his game....once again...combine mania running wild...He's a great talent "when healthy"....but so wasm't Bo Jackson.

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
But sports medicine has advanced a long way since then.  

However, I admit I still have reservations.  Thus, if we draft Stewart, I think we should also pick up another RB later to spell MBIII and give Stewart some more time to heal -- not rush him to be ready for Game 1.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Apr 14, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Who's high??

You're jumping on my mock because of some nobody I had us picking in the 7th round?? A-r-e y-o-u s-e-r-i-o-u-s?? It was a throwaway pick on someone I think has talent and might actually make the team. Not the savior of the franchise. My lord man!!

If you're only problem with my picking Forte was because you didn't think he'd be available at #61 then why didn't you just say so?? Instead of the other childish crap??

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah..and Manningham ran a 4.6 40...slow ???

only to come back 3 weeks later and run a 4.37 at his pro day.........

If your drafting on You Tube video's, post season all star games, and combine results..your not gonna last long as an NFL GM my friend...

fact is....Felix Jones has been timed on campus several times at 4.37.....now what ? If you timed Matt Forte right now, today....he runs a 4.55....count on it....

I like Matt Forte, in fact i'd actually like to draft Felix Jones AND Matt Forte...cuz MBIII is as good as gone after this season..you'll see, I'd rather pay a combined 4 million for the two rookies than pay MBIII 7 million ...for sure........and your right...Forte will be an eventual starter in the NFL...he's my 6th rated RB...but with 2 back systems throughout the NFL now, who gives a rat's ass if he starts or not..he's going to be splitting carries on whatever team he plays for...The days of 25+ carry RB is coming to a quick halt.....

If you can get back up RB or complimentary back out of your mind and system and mind...maybe one day you'll realize what's going on in the league.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I guess

you'll always be ahead of me 'cause I haven't spent one minute as an NFL GM. Unlike you of course!! Please tell me about what's going on in this league. About how you can tell how fast a guy can run just by....guessing?? Hell, I can do that. It's my opinion that if you ran Felix Jones right now he'd run 4.56. How's that for GM ability??!!

I put out a mock based on scouting reports, players that I've seen watching college football, all star games, highlight reels, and anything else I can get to give a "projection" on how I think they'd fit into the NFL and maybe onto our team if we drafted those guys. I have no inside knowledge, no sources. I do it for fun. How do you real GM's do it?? Call the psychic friends network?? Guess we'll all just have to leave it to you experts. LOL

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so....

once again..i'm beating a dead horse here....All you need to see is video of Felix Jones....that is not a man running 4.47 on the field...it's quite obvious.....not like 4.47 is slow at all..it's 1/8th of a second of being the fastest back in the draft...is all...it's track speed....

If you can't see the talent that Jones poccesses...then I can't help you...football speed is what you need. quickness, elusiveness, shiftiness, vision, burst, cut back ability, low pad level, forward lean, strength, power, desire...not track speed.

you have your opinion of him...and you don't feel he's a first round quality back...

I'm pretty sure all 32 teams have him on their first round draft board. go figure...eh ?

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Faster than Jones? HAHAHAHAAA

Technically you're right.  F Jones ran a 4.47 and Forte - or Forbes to some ;) - ran a 4.46.  So, I guess that settles it. . .Forte over Jones!

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL....no crap ...eh ???
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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know.

I just put that out 'cause it seems Felix gets so much pub for his speed. I wish they'd run these guys at the combine in pads. Lets see their football speed.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix

Jones has serious football speed.  I can't recall how Forte runs.  Similar?

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Apr 13, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently it

depends on who you talk to. Just straight combine results Forte is faster but I'll agree that that doesn't necessarily translate to football speed. He looked pretty fast to me. Forte had over 200 more carries last year than Jones and he ran it up the gut more. I thought he had plenty of speed as a RB. Especially for his size. Faster than MBIII for sure.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...here's the deal on Forte.....

BEFORE the combine...Matt Forte was projected to be a tweener at the next level...More of a FB because he lacks the burst needed, has no second gear....He's got some size, yet isn't very powerful....He's not quite the lead blocker type FB....but he can chip block, add some pass protection...and be an option out of the backfield...He can run between the tackles...heck...at 6'1" 217lbs...you'd think he's big enough...BUT...you better have a hole for him..He's not going to be able to barrell over guys...he'll fight for that extra yard...He has good vision...will swirm to elude tackles...doesn't really take the direct hits....He actual reminds me alot of Emmitt...He's got a similiar game...I am not saying he'll be the next Emmitt Smith...but that is who i'd compare him to..I still feel he can learn the FB position, and he can pack on about 10-15 pounds and be a very good offensive FB in the mold of Mike Alstott...A FB with Tailback abilities...Jacob Hester and Payton Hillis type FB's...contrast Deon Anderson.

That's my personal report on him...I've followed him for a few years...even got so see him play UCF this past season....I'd had hoped he was gonna slide to the 3rd or 4th for us...cuz I'd like to grab two RB's in this draft...and Felix Jones(1st) and Forte(4th) would have been my preference...It's not gonna happen....

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I don't think Forte slips out of the 2nd now. I at one time thought he'd be available to us in the 3rd but not now.

The thing I saw with him was that if he had the hole he didn't dance around, he just hit it. Too many RB's these days dance around and miss their chance.

What's your opinion of Kevin Smith then?? He's kind of a similar back to Forte. Same size and speed. Highly productive in college and against a couple of decent defenses like Texas'. Wonder where he'll go??

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Smith....He's even harder to read....

I think he goes in the mid 3rd round to a team like Carolina, Chicago, Arizona, Houston, Philly...IF those teams don't address RB earlier....Smith is a long strider...I don't like long striders...He timed ok at combine...but we all know I don't hold to much weight on those times...lol...
He ran a 4.47 area...then followed with like a 4.56...realistically...he's a 4.55-4.65 timed guy on the field...He's big, powerful, durable, capable runner who has bulk and a thick lower body.

...I liken him to a slower and smaller Brandon Jacobs....or a less punishing Marion Barber...

He'll do ok....might even give you a 1,000 yard season....but he lacks quickness, he's not elusive, but is tough to take down, will be prone to big hits and possible injuries

...We be a good thunder back to a team that has some lightening... Would look good in Philly.

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith
Sorry, I know you didn't ask for my opinion, but Smith is another back that I am enchanted with.  I'm surprised that he doesn't have higher draft grade.  But if he's there in the 4th or so, I'd love to get him (and Jones if possible).

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Apr 13, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He won't make it to the 4th...for sure...

I doubt he'd be there when we pick in the 3rd either....He may even go at the end of the 2nd...to a team like San Diego...

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by BoyzRback07 on Apr 13, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shame
'Cause if there's one thing that the Chargers are missing, it's talent at the RB position.

by goodjobtimmyheresabluestar on Apr 14, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They need a replacement for Turner

If they find value at RB, they'll take it.

So busy with this blog that he has no time to update his own. Props to Grizz and co. (i.e. everyone here) :) Embrace Adam Jones! PacMan is history!

by BudLight on Apr 14, 2008 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego doesn't have a 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th

Thats why I think San Diego is a prime candidate to trade out of the 1st round for a 2nd and 3rd.

Could spell trouble for the Cowboys if they go RB with pick 22.  Every team will then know they will be targeting a DB with pick 28.  Anytime someone knows what your targeting with a pick, teams can trade above you (San Diego #27) and grab the player you wanted.

by DeRat on Apr 14, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forbes was a FB at Tulane - no?

I know that he's measurables look like a RB, but I haven't seen him play so I can't say if he could be a starter even in spot play.  Admittedly, I'm not the biggest Felix Jones fan, but I don't think there is much value for the Boyz at 28 unless someone falls to us.  I'm not thrilled at 22 without having some of the projected players falling to that spot.

As for Thomas going to Buffalo at 11. . .that would be a perfect example of how someone could fall to us at 22/28.  Thomas isn't going to be an impact player this year in my opinion.  I'm not saying he won't be a 3rd WR for someone, but I'm not big on 1st year WRs being counted on for immediate impact.  For every Dwayne Bowe there are 15 Mike Williams. . .not good odds in my book.

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by JerrodWheeler on Apr 13, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Forte??

He was the starting RB. I saw him play a couple of games last year where he put up huge numbers, admittedly not against the best competition, but he looked very good. Then I got to see him at the Senior Bowl where IMO, he and Tashard Choice were the best RB's there and that was against very good competition. He hit's the hole hard, had some moves, and played fast. But who knows?? Like I've said before it's all just a projection/guess.

I like Thomas personally, but I do think he's a reach at #11. Buffalo always seems to overdraft players. For every non-CB that's overdrafted that just means it gets more likely that one of the top CB's will fall to us at #22. We can only keep our fingers crossed.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 13, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were not drafting a 1st Rd. Wr

I'll bet the house on that one, especialy not at 22. I don't have a first round grade on any WR this year and not many scouts do either.

by Cowboys81 on Apr 14, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, especially since Jerry is on record

as saying he wants a WR who can have an impact this season and more than likely that won't happen with any WR in this class.

The only WR I see having a first rd grade is Devin Thomas who looks to have tremendous potential but will take a year or two to learn the pro game.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 14, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

The only WR I see having a first rd grade is Devin Thomas who looks to have tremendous potential but will take a year or two to learn the pro game.

Good thing I had us picking him first then!! I agree with you completely though about Jerry. I don't think he wants to wait on a WR to develop. No matter how talented the guy is.

"Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It's staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in." -- Casey Stengel

by kameleon1 on Apr 14, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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