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Pacman trade woes, Jerry loves second chances and Wade Phillips speaks

So the Pacman trade has real problems. That’s how it was termed by a Dallas Cowboys source stating that both compensation and money were holding up the deal.

A discussed trade that would send Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones to Dallas appears to be in jeopardy, a Cowboys source has told ESPN.

Not only are the Cowboys refusing to provide the Titans a fourth-round pick this year and another choice in 2009, but there are disagreements over whether the Cowboys would reimburse the Titans for some bonus money owed to the suspended cornerback.

I’m OK with this so far. Nobody else has showed a real interest and the Titans were really trying to roll this deal fast, but got a little greedy in the process. Jerry did the smart thing by not bidding against himself and waiting the Titans out. Now, if another team enters the picture, legitimately, then Jerry might have to jump back into the game. But for now, patience is a virtue.

Hat tip to Mullin for this diary.

Matt Mosley has a good article about Jerry’s penchant for giving second chances, or seventh chances in this case. Anyway, it’s a good read, but one paragraph about the Cowboys trade for Charles Haley freaked me out. Larry Lacewell, our college scouting director at the time, got a call from San Fran asking if the Cowboys had interest in trading for Haley.

"I'd honestly never heard of the guy," said Lacewell. "I think the note sat on my desk for three or four days before I finally walked it down to Jerry's office. When I told him what it was, he nearly dove over the desk."

WTF! Had never heard of the guy? And just left the note sitting around for four days! Maybe he is engaging in some good ol’ boy revisionist storytelling where you act like a rube to be funny or make things more amusing. That’s all I can say, otherwise, I’m mad. (Not really, but sort of).

But the quote of the article has to go to one unnamed member of the Titans organization.

As one member of the Titans' organization explained to me, "Pacman is good about 85 percent of the time. But that 15 percent is a f------ disaster."

Ha! That sobered me up.

Wade Phillips did some Q&A and the DMN was kind enough to transcribe. A couple of examples.

Is it possible to have a worse regular-season record and still have a better team?

Phillips: That can always happen. Both Indianapolis and Pittsburgh, after they had big seasons, didn't have as many wins the next year and won the Super Bowl. Just like this year, the team that wins the most games doesn't always win the championship. But your odds are better the more games you can win in the regular season.

I like that thinking along the Indy and Pitt lines. Maybe not win as many, but win the ones that count. Like the Giants:

What most impressed you about the Giants?

Phillips: The Giants have a great football team and what they accomplished was almost unbelievable. They lost to us twice during the season. They lost to New England and they lost to Green Bay. Then they went on the road [in the playoffs] and beat all three teams. That was a tremendous accomplishment. Their players came through when it counted – in the playoffs.

Impressive. But that last line: Their players came through when it counted – in the playoffs, really hurts.

Rule changes in the NFL.

• A recommendation to eliminate force-out decisions on pass completions near the sidelines. Now, officials will only have to decide whether a receiver landed inbounds or not. The intended result is more consistency.

Thank goodness, I hated the force out rule. Either you’re in or you’re not.

• The "Phil Dawson field goal rule." Now, certain field goals can be reviewed by instant replay, including kicks that bounce off the uprights. Under the previous system, no field goals could be reviewed.

Yawn.

• Deferring the opening coin toss. This is similar to the college rule. Previously, the winner of the coin toss could only choose to receive or to kick off.

Yawn.

• Eliminating the 5-yard face mask penalty. Now, only the serious face mask will be called (and will be assessed as a 15-yard penalty). The major foul will involve twisting or grabbing the face mask.

Good call. The incidental stuff wasn’t really sufficient for a penalty.

Hat tip to thebigham for this diary.

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I always said Lacewell was an idiot

why Jerry kept him on the payroll, I'll never know. He's definitely responsible for our bad drafts in that era without question.

I say if another team is dumb enough to want Pacman, let them have him and say good luck, you'll need it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 2, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Lacewell story

I'm very skeptical about that. Simply because I cannot fathom how a director of player personnel doesn't even recognize the name of one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Not to mention that he doesn't bother to check into it immediately, or even mention it to Jerry Jones for 3 or 4 days. That would be the pinnacle of incompetence. I call BS.

"On my signal...unleash Hell." Demarcus Maximus Decimus Ware

by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Lacewell

Quote:  "He's definitely responsible for our bad drafts in that era without question."

So who has been responsible for the bad drafts since he left?  And, how many times would the GM have been fired in that time frame if he hadn't been the owner?

Having said that, I was no Lacewell fan, either.  But the GM unaccountability has hurt the Cowboys for a long, long time.  The northeast media gives Parcells/Ireland the credit for the good acquisitions the last few years.  Time will tell, but JJ has not built a good record as a GM at all.  I wish he could see this, because he is one of the best owners but the worst GM in the league.  If you want to see what a roster builder who concentrates on just that can do, look at San Diego and NY.  Or if you prefer to argue the other side, show me an owner who tries to be a GM who has had recent success.  JJ's only success in the draft came when he had strong head coaches, and specifically, Jimmy, who had veto power over the draft, which meant that he made the picks.  While Jones was placing the calls, he didn't dare pick anyone other than the player Jimmy wanted, because he didn't want to be embarassed by the exercise of Jimmy's veto power.

by RB @ Blogging The Boys on Apr 2, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno

Any GM with THREE Super Bowl wins under his belt is pretty much bullet proof. You can credit the coaches, but you could turn around again and credit the players instead. Regardless of how you spin it, not many GMs in the league today with JJ's track record.

by dunkman on Apr 2, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not many GMs had Jimmy Johnson

who very well may have been the best NFL coach of all time.  Had Jerry's galactic-sized ego not caused Jimmy to leave, the Cowboys would have almost certainly won the Super Bowl in 94, again in 95 (if Switzer the retard could do it, Jimmy definitely could), and possibly in 96.  Tree in a row is remarkable.  The 4-peat alone would have sealed his credentials as the best ever, making the Boys the greatest dynasty ever, and a 5 would have left not one bit of room for argument.  Jerry sucks as a GM, and it is his fault that this team has been in the sub-gutter from 95 until Parcells.  I am fearful everday that without a strong coach, the gutter is inevitiable with Jerry as GM.  I'm glad the Cowboys are winning again (with a team assembled by Parcells, btw), but I can't help but think that Jerry can and will screw it up.  

by Texas Our Texas on Apr 2, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah right ?...enough Tuna ball lappin'

Tell me the players on this current roster that Parcells was directly attributed in selecting ????

So tired of that nonsense...It just so happens things started turning around WHEN Tuna arrived here...You can not say we wouldn't of been a great team if Parcells never arrived here..We had a strong nucleus of players when Tuna arrived...heck....didn't he win 9-10 games his first season here ?...didn't happen because of HIS players...He did draft any players on our team...He may of had an opinion, but he surely didn't select them...And if you go back through every draft since Tuna was involved here, there are plenty more wiff's than success stories....

It is because of the Free Agent Selections that we are where we are now...NOT because of any doings of Tuna.....

So....If you gonna spit that dribble....come to me with some examples of Tuna's workings....

I'm glad the Cowboys are winning again (with a team assembled by Parcells, btw), but I can't help but think that Jerry can and will screw it up.

Name me the players on this roster that have direct ties to Parcells selecting them...??????

Jerry signed TO, Davis, Kosier, Columbo, Romo, Hamlin, Ayodele, Henry, Oglesby, Hurd, Austin, and Zack Thomas as free agents.....With only the possible approval in regards to Ayodele and Columbo, can be attributed to Tuna....And Romo was the product of Sean Payton, who was indirectly here because of Tuna....so....don't be giving Tuna credit for him either...

Jerry THE GM, drafted Roy Williams, Watkins, Brown, Ball,  Newman, James, Burnett, Canty, Ratliff, Hatcher, Ellis, Ware, Flozell, Goroude, MBIII, Crayton, Stanback, Spencer, Witten, Free, MaQuistan, Marten, and Anderson.....Sure you'd all like to claim Tuna had anything to do with the drafting of Canty, Witten, and maybe MBIII, but that's highly speculative....seeing those players were all very high on Jerry's draft board, and would of been selected even if Tuna was never here. So I don't even wanna hear it.

All that can be directly tied to Fat Azz Tuna are Carpenter, Fasano, and Spears....
Not exactly stellar players on our team.....

Enough of the Tuna talk...once and for all....jeeeeez.....Go follow the Fin's for pete's sake...

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 3, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is pretty harsh

I don't really care to get into a debate about Parcells, because that's ancient history to me.  But come on, you can't say that Jerry gets credit for every player we've drafted other than 3 busts which we can fairly attribute to Parcells.  Similarly, you can't say Parcells gets no credit for Romo, because Romo isn't here unless Parcells is.  You get the idea; we know through rumor and legend that some of our better players were Jerry's pets, but we also know full well that Jerry's pets don't always work out.  For better or for worse, the top level of the organization was working on all of these drafts together, and it's a group product.  As a group, they did a decent job of drafting.  I do give credit to Jerry for making some very good FA signings, most notably TO, the one Parcells was clearly opposed to. But I digress.

Here's the point.  I'm not sure how much excruciating detail you remember about the Campo era, but Parcells, though he had many faults, made this team respectable in a hurry.  It wasn't until he got a real QB that things really started looking up, and then he quit.  I am glad he is gone, but I'm also glad he was here.  His first season was the first positive development for the Cowboys after many, many putrid and hopeless years.  When he left, whether due to his own skills or not, the team was stacked.  You can't just write that off.

by grapejoos on Apr 3, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about it grapejoos

People who dislike Parcells will never give him credit.  Also, people who are so arrogant that they have to go after other posters like their stupid and accuse them of spitting dribble  can just as easily be dismissed.  And why do certain posters always resort to talking about oral sex between men? (ball lappin')? It's a strange phenomenon.

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by Dave Halprin on Apr 3, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol Grizz........nice udercard.......

I felt that jab to my ribs....

All I am stating is this is no longer Tuna's team....Nor do I wish to hear he's put this current roster together.....I stated facts quite clearly...

people who are so arrogant that they have to go after other posters like their stupid and accuse them of spitting dribble  can just as easily be dismissed.

Nothing in my post directly insinuates stupidity...I clearly stated who's on our current roster...and who's responsible for bringing them here....

I will defend the owner and general manager of my beloved Dallas Cowboys til the day I die...He's by far the best owner in the league...And HE (Jerry Jones) has ASSEMBLED....the best, most talented team in the league. Get it right...and you won't hear from me....Come April 26th, 2008 will be a defining moment in Dallas Cowboy history....and yes....I will be Jerry Jones selecting these players.....just like HE has since 1989.......

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 3, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

grape...here's the deal....
I do appreciate everything that Bill Parcells had done in the locker room. He brought about a better overall program with the hand that was dealt him....He instilled leadership, disipline, and accountability. But I am not sold that HE turned it around in year one...For all the credit you want to give to Romo with the reason we've turned the corner...It was only after his failures with Testeverde and Bledsoe, that he took a flier on Romo......well...cuz he had no other options...I would've yanked Drew as well...

" I'm not sure how much excruciating detail you remember about the Campo era, but Parcells, though he had many faults, made this team respectable in a hurry.  It wasn't until he got a real QB that things really started looking up, and then he quit.  I am glad he is gone, but I'm also glad he was here.  His first season was the first positive development for the Cowboys after many, many putrid and hopeless years.  When he left, whether due to his own skills or not, the team was stacked.  You can't just write that off."

Once again...As much as I dislike Parcells, I can only thank him for leaving when he did....Cuz his act gets old quick.....I'm not going to give him a lick of credit for anything this team does from here on in....cuz it's simply not his team...We play a completely different game and scheme that Tuna implimented here...

If you want to say that Tuna is responsible to Romo, MBIII, Witten, Columbo, Canty, Ratliff, or whoever else you think has print on them...go right ahead if you think that is accurate....but they sure are playing a whole lot better now that Tuna is gone...right ?...hmmmm

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 3, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

the one area I praise Parcells is

making sure we acquire players with great character, something I hope Jerry doesn't f up in a hurry.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 4, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

which drafts were bad after he left?

He left after 2004 so are you saying 2005 through 2007 drafts were bad?

I actually thought those drafts were 100 times better than any draft Lacewell was in charge of.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 2, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahem

the WORST GM in the league is, and always will be, Al Davis.

Let him who hath understanding Reckon the number of the beast For it is a human number, it's number is 31.

by no1cowboysfan on Apr 2, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

force outs?

So, if a receiver is either in or out, if they go up, can the DB "catch" the receiver and carry him out of bounds?  i thought that's why they had the force out rule in the first place...

by Scoobay on Apr 3, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

no, the DB can't do that

they can only push the WR out of bounds, if they "catch" and "carry", the refs can still rule the WR in bounds.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's right

If a receiver doesn't get both feet on the ground in-bounds, the refs no longer have the leeway to rule it a catch. The only possible route would be to call it forward momentum and rule it a tackle, but I don't think they can even rule it a catch if the player never gets a foot on the ground to call it forward momentum.

I don't believe the scenario Scoobay described is a legal catch anymore.

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by Dave Halprin on Apr 3, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just going by what the guys on NFL Network

said last night on total acesss. Maybe they meant what you said about ruling it a tackle and forward progress.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I don't see how the ref would have the discretion to rule that a tackle if they don't have the discretion to say the WR would have gotten both feet in (which is what the rule change presumably took away).

If defenders can use that move, it will make for some wacky (and potentially dangerous) sideline moments.  

by grapejoos on Apr 3, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know because skinny, scrawny guys like DeSean

Jackson could be scooped up very easily along the sidelines by big CBs and just carried over to the sidelines and thrown out of bounds.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

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