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Barber's contract is the talk of the town in Dallas; top safeties in draft highlighted

Marion Barber’s contract has drawn a lot of interest in Cowboyland. It’s reported that he’s looking for LaDanian Tomlinson money which not everyone agrees he deserves. JFE even recalls this moment in history with the title of her story in Sunday’s Star-Telegram. But regardless what you think he deserves he at least has the right to ask. Calvin Watkins gets it. So does Tim MacMahon.

His agent Drew Rosenhaus was on ESPN recently talking about his contract situation. Basically he said that MB3 is not looking for LT money, which is good because that would be like Tony Parker asking for Kobe money or Devin Harris asking for Dirk money.

Rosenhaus did say they were offered a contract but it wasn’t "Michael Turner money." He also said they weren’t worried about it because Dallas usually gets their players signed. He ended his comments by saying MB3 was a "Pro Bowl" player and "dominant" player who should be paid like one. He expressed the need to meet a happy medium.

I happen to agree on this point. Remember the Cowboys hedged and hawed a little bit with Romo too. They’ll get this thing done. I don’t see MB3 going anywhere as long as he’s producing and he’s done that all throughout his short career. Not everybody showed up in our playoff game in January but he did. I didn’t forget that and Jerry shouldn’t either. We all know Rosenhaus won’t let him forget it.

Drew Rosenhaus. How do I hate thee? Let me count the ways.

Actually, I shouldn’t say that. My dad’s been telling me to be more kind to people. So here goes. He’s actually pretty good at his job. He did well with T.O.’s contract and Zach’s contract too.

But this memory never helps.

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We’ve got safety problems and everyone knows this. So now is the time to start looking. I’m not saying trade or cut Roy Williams. Don’t even know if the numbers would work to do that. Seems like we just signed him to a record deal. But we do need to be prepared in case he gets hurt. We also need to start grooming the next Cowboy superstar safety.

Pat Kirwan has a great recap of the top safeties in the draft on NFL.com. One guy we will definitely not see in a Cowboy uniform is UM’s Kenny Phillips. That guy is a beast and he might be gone before we can snag him. Arkansas State’s Tyrell Johnson and North Carolina State’s DaJuan Morgan are also guys that tickle my fancy as safety prospects but we’ve got other pressing needs so I'm not sure we'll get them either. But the guy that sticks out to me is Notre Dame’s Tom Zbikowski. He’s a tough kid who's faster than he looks. He never gives up and has a high motor. I wouldn’t mind if we gave him a look in the fourth or fifth round.

While your at NFL.com check out Vic Carucci’s article on the challenges of scouting a safety. He goes on to describe all the tools that scouts look for. I know he’s not talking about Roy Williams but his discussion of the position just brings back painful memories. Hard to admit I’ve lost some respect for Roy Williams the player but I have. He’s an awesome person off the field. He’s a stand-up guy, a religious guy that gives back to his community and that should be commended. But I’ve begun to wonder will Roy Williams ever be the player that he once was.

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Intelligence ranks high on the list of qualities that NFL scouts seek from the position. Instincts are also important, but teams want someone who can grasp the finer points of the defense and quickly and accurately dispense coverages and adjustments to the rest of the secondary.

He must see and know more than most of the players surrounding him. He must bring stability when there is chaos. In short, he must be the "other" quarterback on the field.

Oh, yes, and he has to be able to cover a tight end or slot receiver, and help stop the run.

Finding a safety who can do all of that is no easy task. And it is especially difficult this year, because safety is widely considered one of the thinner areas of the college crop.

In the pass-happy NFL, teams place a much higher premium on lock-down cornerbacks, capable of handling most receivers with little or no help. Two strong starters at that position -- and most teams are fortunate if
they have one -- can help overcome other deficiencies in the secondary.

Still, opposing offenses will devote part of their game plan to exploiting any weakness in the coverage ability of the safeties, usually by trying to force them into one-on-one matchups with particularly gifted tight ends. Sometimes teams will draft larger cornerbacks with the intention of moving them to safety, but such conversions don't always work to perfection.

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Zbikowski is a clone of Roy...

He's not exactly what we're looking for as far as coverage skills...A great motor, a tenacious tackler...but not a guy known for his coverage abilities...that being said....He won't be there in the fourth or fifth rounds either as you suggested...As most have him rated in the top 70-90 overall...I see him going early to mid third round.

I'll just say I wouldn't be opposed to taking Kenny Phillips at #28....Either Roy, Hamlin or both won't be around here for much longer, and this would a be a great addition to the safety depth....which is as much a need as a supposed WR need.

Tyrell Johnson is the guy I want...a small school tackling machine...Reminds me so much of Bob Sanders, with his measurables, and playmaking abilities......Has been blazing up team draft boards...IF we're lucky enough to have this guy available at #61....We jump on it...

If gone by #61, DuJuan Morgan's lookin' pretty good too...but i'd drop down into the top 3rd round to get him or Barrett, or even Zbikowski....

The most intriging is Charles Godfrey, played strong and free safety, before switching to CB...This is a safety that can cover like corner, and tackle like a strong safety, very versatile, can cover the slot, can play nickle LB, can come in for Roy on passing downs...etc....He had a great post season at Senior Bowl, and at the combine..I know the Boys are interested in him..as are many teams.............He'd be my choice IF we can't obtain Tyrell Johnson...But...

I think all will be gone by the time our 3rd rounder comes around.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I dont think you'll see Dallas

Take a safety in the first two rounds for a long time

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I feel Roy's days are numbered

Unless he shows drastic improvement in his game this year, he wont be back next year, more than likely a june 1st cap casualty. Hopefully Dave Campo can get Roy back to the way he played his first two years in the league, but personally I dont see it happening, Roy is a good player but a very limited player that just doesn't fit into todays game with all the spread offenses, he looks lost at times, takes bad angles, doesn't wrap up when tackling, always trying to deliver a big hit instead of just making the play and cant change directions all that well. I've heard it for years that if we can get him closer to the line, but even Roy doesn't make tackles for loses or pressure the Qb anymore, even decent tighends eat him alive in coverage.

As most of you know, I've been saying it for years, Roy's been one of thee most over rated players in this league, I think the Roy bandwagon is starting to empty..

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

ok Deke....we should cut Roy...Then what ????

In the matter of two posts, back to back...you state we should not draft a strong safety prospect on day one...YET....you claim we should get rid of the ONLY strong safety on our roster that is signed.

Where do you propose we get Roy's replacement at strong safety, if indeed we shouldn't select one of these top rated safeties on day one ?

I interestingly await this answer..

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If you read it correctly

you'd understand that Roy wouldn't be cut this year, but next year if his game doesn't drastically improve, you're not going to occupy a roster spot for a player that you have to take off the field more and more.

The replacement is already on the roster, his name is Hamlin, he could be moved to hiis more natural positionof strong safety. I mentioned last year it was a mistake to cut Ebram Elam over davis, who only had one year left on his contract and wouldn't of been signed back anyway. At free safety, we have Watkins and Brown and depending on whether dallas keeps Henry after this year, he could easily play free safety next year. Dallas could draft a safety in the fourth or fifth round this year, or take a corner thats better suited to play at the safety position in the pros, like Jack Ikegwuonu, who will drop because of his knee injury and surgery, Terrell Thomas or Tom Zbikowski. I doubt dallas will take a safety in the first two rounds for a long time. As far as top rated safeties go, sorry this is a very average class of safeties this year.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Like I said....

Roy Williams is the ONLY strong safety on the roster at this present time.

As far as I know, Ken Hamlin has NOT signed his franchise tender. Ken Hamlin is NOT assured of signing any long term deal.Ken Hamlin will have demands of at least 7 million per year..and Watkins or Brown are not considered upgrades at the Free Safety position if we were to lose Hamlin.

One thing I know for sure...We WILL be drafting a safety in this years draft....

If it isn't for one of the top rated guys....I'd be hard pressed to even think a late round safety could crack this 47 man roster.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hamlin is a strong safety

Thats his natural position, dallas has a year to resign him, whats the big rush, he ours this year.

One thing I know for sure...We WILL be drafting a safety in this years draft....

I noticed you didn't state in the first two rounds though.

And like I mentioned a hundred times, the safety position nowadays in the NFL have to be more interchangeable, teams would be better suited to have safeties that can play both posiitons equally well, support the run, blitz and cover, Roy can barely play one position.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just to clarify things....

Thats his natural position, dallas has a year to resign him, whats the big rush, he ours this year.

No...He is not OURS this year either...He has YET to sign his franchise tender.

Not saying he won't, but as of right now...He's not officially on our roster.

And if he elects to try out free agency next spring, and we supposedly cut Roy....that leaves us with NO strong safeties on our roster...

The reason I didn't say day one safety selection is because I can not speculate who falls to us, or who's chosen before us or after us, or who's available.......and EITHER can you...To say we aren't going to be drafting a first day safety for years to come is an outlandish and unsubstantiated opinion of yours, next year's draft or the one after, may very well have the next Bob Sanders, Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, or Brian Dawkins...you don't know otherwise.. to pre exclude Dallas from even taking a first day safety "for years to come" is just ridiculous........It's one of our biggest needs now, and will be even more of a need next year.

I know for a fact Dallas has interest in Kenny Phillips, Reggie Smith, DuJuan Morgan, Brandon Flowers, Tyrell Johnson, Josh Barrett, and Tom Zbitkowski...as well as Charles Godfrey and Ty Branch...ALL..considered mid 3rd round or better. At least I can say with some confidence that a projected safety is being looked at in this years draft...May not be first day...but if they want quality...It damn well better be. If not...we are going to be in the same exact situation we have now with our CB's...NEEDING to draft a safety first round because we didn't cover ourselves in earlier drafts.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

outlandish!!

before the drafting of Roy Williams with the 8th overall pick in the draft, when was the last time Dallas drafted a safety in the first two rounds of the NFL draft??????

I never said never, I said I doubt they draft a safety in the first two rounds again for long time.

Kenny Philips is no Bob Sanders, Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, or Brian Dawkins..  

Hamlins franchised, again you're worrying over nothing... He'll sign his tender, I'm sure his agent said to hold off to see if we can get a long term deal done first, its not a big deal if he hasn't signed it yet...

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Better chance of Dallas drafting an O-linemen

in the first round in the upccoming years than a safety, and when was the last time an Offensive linemen was drafted in the first by dallas???
those seem to be the two positions Dallas doesn't like to venture into in the first round.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 20, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I've got one alternative theory

Take Cason at #22 (safe,smart,able to play immediately as #3 CB)

Take Flowers at #28 - convert him to backup SS. But he'd still be able to play #4 CB spot, and help in dime packages immediately. Also could be great ST player.

He's not quite fast enough to play man to man, but he does play smart and hits with violence, so he could be another intimidating presence in the middle.

I know it's not likely, but just an idea of how to maximize value in the draft without trading.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003.

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

or Tom...trade down with both 1st picks....

and still get Cason and Flowers....plus more....

I don't rate Cason #22....and most definately don't rate Flowers at #28...

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm so paranoid that we miss out

on a top CB, that I would take Cason at #22 if that's the only guy left. (I agree, a bit of a reach)

I hope that #28 is either traded down for 2nd round picks, or that the Boys put together a package deal to send #28 and lower picks or players to DET for Roy Williams.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003.

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

NEXT QUESTION

LOL

There are two Adrian Petersons, but there is only one Marion Barber.

by Nelson on Apr 20, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

lol...just in case you don't know Zbikowski

here's a little highlight of the tough dude...I'd taqke him if he was there in the 3rd.

http://scoutingoh.com/DeBartolo_Zbik...

and the dude returns punts...more over Crayton..or he'll kick your azz.

True Cowboys diehard since 1975.

by BoyzRback07 on Apr 20, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cut Roy now!!

I dont know the cap ramifications, but if within reason we should cut Roy now. Slide Hamlin down into his spot (his natural position), he can still be the "quarterback" from there. Then just let Courtney Brown and Watkins and whoever else we may add, battle it out for the other spot.

What do we lose? Definitely nothing in coverage and do we really lose anything in run support? I mean, Hamlin is not the hitter that Roy is, but he is just as good a tackler. And we know he's a lot better in coverage.

by GloryDayz88 on Apr 20, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

That's a bad idea

You lose Hamlin at the FS spot, where he played well, and you lose Roy, who, say what you want about his coverage, still racked up close to 100 tackles last season. Not to mention the wasted cap space.

That would only weaken the team. The Boys just need to find a good backup SS in the draft right now, to replace Davis and possibly Roy in 2009. That's a lot easier than cutting Roy now for no gain.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003.

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How does that saying go...

about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Why even screw around with him anymore? We know what were gonna get and it's not gonna cut it.

by GloryDayz88 on Apr 20, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You might be right

But it makes more sense to keep Roy one more year and just try to find a good back up. As far as we know Hamlin might not be here next year either. He has yet to even sign his franchise tag deal.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003.

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2008 11:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Guys

I like Zbikowski, he has great athleticism and would be a good player in the NFL. However, I am extreamly impressed with Cornelius Brown out of Missouri. I've mentioned his name before but I see alot of Bob Sanders (who hasn't seen Sanders in some safety on this site) in the guy. The guy only played part of the season last year but still landed on the All-Big 12 second team. He is only 5-11 and under 200lbs, runs in the low to mid 4.5s. The guy is a great tackler and could cover the whole field as a playmaking safety. That being said he is better suited at free safety. In the seventh round or maybe even as an undrafted free agent I think he will be a stud on special teams and a future starter in a couple years.

by Romo9 on Apr 20, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

He also has a cool nickname

Cornelius Pig Brown. But he does have serious past injury issues. Ruptured Achilles' tendon is bad. I could see him as a FA pick.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003.

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Great timing Tuna...I was just

thinking about whether or not the Boys should draft a safety this year.

I say definitely, as our secondary is really the only thin spot on the club, and due to the rule changes favoring the offensive passing game, the term "you can't have enough d-backs" has never been more true.

But drafting a safety first requires one to sift through the QUAGMIRE that is the Roy Williams situation, a situation whose ramifications have been well-documented, both on this blog and everywhere the Boys are discussed.

Looks like no matter how poorly Roy plays, he will be wearing a star, no matter what.  The Cowboys brass has shown us as much.  

Still, I'd like to see the Cowboys prepare for the GLORIOUS DAY Roy is able to be let go by drafting Kenny Phillips.  The kid's solid in nearly every area, and would allow Hamlin to move to SS, his natural position (will Hamlin even still be here when we finally can let Roy go, though?).

My wish:  Phillips and the best CB left (Cason?) at Nos. 22 & 28.

by Starred4Life on Apr 21, 2008 12:16 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs


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