More details on the Pacman Jones to Dallas trade

by Dave Halprin on Apr 24, 2008 1:34 AM CDT in Dallas Cowboys News

In response to comments that Pacman wants to wear #21 in Dallas, I changed his jersey.

Hat tip to BTB-regular BoNeZ who pointed me to this article in the USA Today. The article has some more detail about what’s going on with the Pacman trade. In particular, sources say the agreement over the conditional picks breaks down as follows:

If Jones is available or on injured reserve for 16 games in 2008, the Titans will also get a sixth-round pick from the Cowboys in 2009. Jones doesn't have to play in the games; he just can't be suspended.

If Jones isn't reinstated, the Titans will send a fourth-round draft pick back to the Cowboys in 2009. If Jones is reinstated and suspended again for another matter, the Titans will send a fifth-round pick to the Cowboys in 2009.

And in turns out the impetus to get the deal done was the recent revelation about the "extortion" money Pacman paid to the alleged shooter in the Las Vegas strip club shooting.

According to sources familiar with the negotiations, the impetus was the recent disclosure of facts Jones concealed from the team — the revelation that he'd paid $15,000 to the man charged in a Las Vegas strip club shooting last February.

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A police warrant states Jones had a brief encounter with Edwards just moments before the shooting, and there are suspicions Jones could be implicated further.

The Titans had no knowledge of those facts until Las Vegas police released them on Monday, sources said.

It remains unclear if the NFL was aware of the recent developments in Las Vegas, but it could certainly affect whether he is reinstated and available for the Cowboys as soon as this fall.

In addition, PFT.com has a post that links to the police report about the whole thing. I don’t know, this is a lot of mud to be wading through to get a football player. The Cowboys better have a pipeline to Roger Goodell’s office and have a pretty good idea that Pacman will be reinstated and that there is nothing else coming out of the Las Vegas incident that could implicate Pacman in any further trouble. They also better have Calvin Hill and company on red-alert to protect their newest asset from his own worst failings. Like I said, a lot of mud here, Pacman better be worth it on the field of play. Because he hasn’t shown he’s worth it off the field.

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Those revelations

Make this deal grand larceny for the Cowboys.

Here are the scenarios:

1) Pacman is reinstated and stays out of trouble. Dallas gets an all pro at TWO positions of need dirt cheap

2) Pacman doesn’t get reinstated. This turns into a trade with the Titans of this years 4th rounder for their 4th rounder in 2009 and Dallas still retains the rights to Pacman should he ever be reinstated

3) Pacman gets reinstated and subsequently gets suspended again. Dallas gets the Titans 5th round pick next year for their trouble.

The High risk/High reward just turned into virtually NO risk/Huge reward if this article is accurate.

Jerry Jones should win executive of the year for pulling off this deal alone. ;-)

by FunCowboysFan on Apr 24, 2008 1:43 AM CDT reply actions

+1

Alternate to scenario 2. Adam gets reinstated and blows it before the season starts = Dallas gets the Titans 4th next year.

by Impatient on Apr 24, 2008 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Adding to the attractiveness

of all these options is the hopefully incentive laden deal Jones will receive. I know there are detractors out there who only see the ESPN reel of him sitting in court and waiting for booking with the toothpick in his mouth, but the guy is the best CB available anywhere right now. These are the types of “gambles” that can elevate your team. Plus, if it doesn’t work out it’s not a huge hit either financially, or in terms of draft picks.

by TexasTiger on Apr 24, 2008 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed

Great deal for Dallas, I would have preferred to just surrender one pick but otherwise no complaints.

by Taylor on Apr 24, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions

Well I thought it was dead, but like a bad penny

At least it’s done, and the Cowboys made about as safe a deal with the Titans, as they could to protect the team’s interest. Now time will only tell if this guy can #1 get re-instated, and #2 stay re-instated. It could be one of the cheapest moves ever to get a top CB, or it could end up as nothing. But it won’t blow up in the Cowboy’s faces.

I’ll restate this once again, How dumb are the Titans? They just found out about the extortion story???? Apparently their ownership is incredibly inept.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 24, 2008 2:33 AM CDT reply actions

Dumb move

This is a very stupid move. It doesn’t matter what the Cowboys do on the field, this is the ONLY subject people will talk about.

by Semblance on Apr 24, 2008 6:59 AM CDT reply actions

Care to indicate why?

I am interested in why you think this is a very stupid move. Your post only contained the assertion, not the reasoning behind your opinion.

I’m still trying to sort this one through, but my opinion as of right now goes something like this:

I am dismayed that Dallas gave up a valuable 4th round pick. Teams that are consistently good use rounds 2-5 to stock their squads with solid starters and the occasional pro bowl player. One only has to look at Dallas’ 2005 fourth round – Marion Barber and Chris Canty – as an example of that. I was hoping that Dallas would give up a 6th round pick. However, I do like the contingencies built into the trade that mitigate the cost if Adam misbehaves in 2008. If he stays out of trouble before training camp, I have no doubts that Goodell will reinstate him.

My other concern is that Dallas must go about its business this offseason assuming Adam will not be available. Treat him like the 53rd player on the roster and plan for a suspension. A corner must be drafted with one of our three picks Saturday, and another should be drafted on day two. Dallas’ opening day roster must have a secondary good enough to compete for the Super Bowl without Adam Jones.

All things considered, a good deal. Adam could potentially solve two problems for Dallas: third cornerback and punt returner. The risk is definitely worth the enormous potential reward.

As for how his poor character may negatively reflect on the Cowboys, I can’t see a set of circumstances involving public perception that would be worse than not winning a playoff game in 11 years.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 24, 2008 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Would you rather have them talk about

Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson?
Dallas not winning a playoff game since 96?
The image of TO on a pornography site?

Those that trash the team will do it for any reason they can grasp and if they had to confess they would have their team make the same deal.

by Taylor on Apr 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

Pacman will never play again

as boyz would say, count on it. More than likely additional charges will be filed against Pacman and Goodell will have had enough and just give him a lifetime ban from the league.

Maybe he can play for the Desparados someday.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 24, 2008 7:27 AM CDT reply actions

co-sign

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by silverblue5 on Apr 24, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Reinstatement

I think the $15,000 deal was known before the trade was finalized.

With that in mind I don’t think JJ would have gone ahead knowing this would backfire.

If , and a BIG IF , this guy can clean up his act, we get a high quality CB, and return man who will do more than dance a few steps to field a punt…...

by oldtimer on Apr 24, 2008 7:34 AM CDT reply actions

We can only hope

JJ knows what he is doing…..
He would not have done the deal if he knew AJ (as i will refer to Adam Jones as) was going to get in more trouble for the extortion allogations, so i have to belive and hope the Jerry knows what he is doing..
Obviously, as stated earlier in this thread, the verly little risk, super big reward moniker applies…..
come on AJ keep it clean….

by stephena on Apr 24, 2008 8:20 AM CDT reply actions

The Titans held out for this?

Wow, great deal Jerry. I know some people here are bummed about giving up a 4th, but the conditional picks really mitigate the risk pretty effectively here. If he plays, we give up a 4th and probably a 6th next year (the way picks are discounted, that’s equivalent to a 7th this year). If he doesn’t, we get back a 4th from the Titans next year (equivalent to a 5th this year), and hopefully they’ll be drafting higher than us. We’re essentially risking half-a-round for a 2nd day pick to get an elite CB and return guy who is going to play for peanuts. I have no idea what the extortion thing is all about, and I don’t much care. We’ll find out soon enough whether he gets reinstated, and even if he doesn’t, virtually nothing is lost.

The Raiders gave up a 2nd round pick for DeAngelo Hall and are paying him upwards of $9m/year. He’s a malcontent on the field and isn’t as good as Pacman. Might not be a thug off the field, but the point is that compared to that trade (and contract), this is a steal.

by grapejoos on Apr 24, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions

its a good deal!!!

If Pac-rat gets into trouble, and is supended, we get the Tiatns fourth round pick. What will you say if Pac-rat gets into trouble and the Goodell says, I warned teams that if you continue to draft and trade for troubled players as Dallas has done with Pac-rat, he takes away a first or second round draft pick from the cowboys, is it a good deal then!!! Goodell has said on the record if teams continue to take these types of players on, he’s going to take away picks if they continue to get in trouble and bring a black mark on the league.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 24, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions

That will never happen

The Cowboys will have done nothing wrong even if Pacman gets in trouble again. It’s Goodell’s call to re-instate Pacman. If Pacman gets in trouble again, then Goodell should punish himself. The Cowboys are probably the IDEAL destination for Pacman in terms of him putting his past behind him. So far we have acquired troubled players in the Goodell era and made them model citizens.

Bottom line, if Goodell tries to punish the Cowboys for acquiring Pacman (assuming they don’t somehow contribute to subsequent bad conduct), Jerry will sic his lawyers on Goodell and give the league a serious black eye for overreaching. There is absolutely no basis to punish them for this.

by grapejoos on Apr 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Oh, and

You can be sure that Dallas will cut bait at the first sign of trouble, which is the responsible thing to do. The problem with teams like the Bengals in the recent past is that they haven’t taken that hard-line position. Hell, they only cut Henry just now after he was suspended half the season and came back.

by grapejoos on Apr 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions

When Goodell says so

He’s a man of his word. He mentioned that If teams continue to sign player with character issues, he can take draft picks away. Dont think he can, ask the Patriots and the Forty niners.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

There was Never any mention of

“trade for” in Goodell’s statement. He said teams that continually draft players with character concerns. I have to believe Jerry has already had that conversation with Sheriff Goodell. If there is any team in the league that can make a real run at helping this kid change his life, it is the Cowboys. After the trouble we had in the 90s, we are still the only team in the league that has a full time staff dedicated to helping these type of athletes that want to be helped. For that reason, Goodell will not penalize us for giving him a shot a succeeding.

by Impatient on Apr 24, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Looks like a pretty good deal...

Jerry got some security in case this thing blows up in his face. So the risk is relatively small…

Have the contract details been released yet?

by N41D on Apr 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions

good move

Low risk high reward by Jerry. This doesn’t change the draft scenerio by taking a CB early in the draft. If Pacman does work out this could seriously impact whether Newman get’s a new contract next year. We could possibly have Pacman and this years rookie starting in 2009.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 24, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions