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NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys Open Thread #1

 

Ah, Draft Day. It’s here. I hope you guys will be spending your day in front of the TV and chatting here on BTB.

This is the first of many open threads for the weekend. Feel free to chat it up and throw out any ideas or tidbits you pick up from around the Net.

Here are few nuggets to start the morning:

Last night’s trade of Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano for the Dolphins 4th-round picked saved the Cowboys around $650,000 against the cap. Not bad, but hardly a significant salary cap dump. Ayodele wasn’t in the plans anymore after the signing of Zach Thomas. Fasano was the surprise although I wasn’t exactly enamored with his play. He hadn’t produced in the passing game and his blocking was merely OK. But with only star of stage and screen Tony Curtis backing up Jason Witten, could the Cowboys be eyeing another TE somewhere in the draft?

By the way, the Cowboys picks are #22, #28, #61, #92, #100, #163, #167 and #235.

Word is the Cowboys have reached new contract terms with Pacman on a 4-year deal. But the hold up in officially completing the trade stems from a physical AND the NFL players union might object to Pacman giving up a $1.25 million performance bonus he earned with the Titans.

Some final mock drafts:

Todd McShay – Felix Jones, Brandon Flowers

Mel Kiper – Felix Jones, James Hardy

Rick Gosselin – Felix Jones, Brandon Flowers

NFL Draft Cowntdown - DRC, Felix Jones

Don Banks – Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins

 

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I would be elated with either

Don Banks’ or NFL Draft Countdown draft picks. I don’t know what Banks is smoking if he thinks Jenikins will fall that far or that we won’t snatch him up if he’s there at 22.

by DC_fan on Apr 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Cap space -- that's it?!

I was hoping that trade would’ve freed up more cap space $$$ just in case a trade for an expensive veteran WR went down today.

Doubt DRC will drop low enough for Dallas to take him.

Guess if Felix Jones doesn’t end up a Cowboy, 95% of mockers will look like frontrunners. Something tells me they won’t draft him—they’ll be more creative with the RB situation.

Draft doesn’t start till noon out here on the west coast. I’ll have to put the mamosas away in favor of coffee for now.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 10:06 AM CDT   0 recs

5 picks in the 1st 100.....

.....sounds like a recipe for trading up if you ask me. If DMac falls below the Raiders, Jerry will start lighting up the phones. And who can blame him?

by allhailcale on Apr 26, 2008 10:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Mcfadden wont get past the Jets

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he said past the raiders

KC is ahead of the Jets…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 26, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the Rams are taking Chris Long

with the second overall pick,

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:33 AM CDT   0 recs

wooohooooo!!

Let’s do this thang!

by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2008 10:37 AM CDT   0 recs

a later start but atleast we dont have to wait 15 minutes between every pick

so things should move along alot smoother and can do away with the endless talk about each selection..

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Shockey will be traded to the Saints

for a second and fourth rounder

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:41 AM CDT   0 recs

It will take two picks to get him?

Why would you give up two picks for Shockey and we gave up two players for a 4th?

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're not going to campare shockey to a backup tightend and a linebacker on his way out of dallas are you

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhhh. . .compare?

I’d take Fasano and Akin everyday over Shockey. I know Fasano isn’t the same kind of TE, but we honestly don’t know much about him since he sits behind the man-child Witten. At a minimum, he’s a Randy McMichaels in Miami. As for Akin – he has as many years left at a high level as Shockey does. . .

So, which is worth a 4th and which is worth a 2nd and a 4th?

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have Atlanta taking Dorsey at 3

Raiders taking Gholston at 4

Kansas City taking Chris Williams or trading down with Baltimore for Matt Ryan

Jets taking Mcfadden—end of the dream for cowboy Mcfadden lovers..

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:51 AM CDT   0 recs

First Time Caller, Long Time Listener

and I finally signed up.

From what should be available at #22, I’ve had my eyes on two guys, Mayo and Felix Jones. Had Talib in the mix for awhile but just don’t see any DBs worth the pick. Jones would surely contribute this year. Last year J Jones averaged 10 attempts for less than 600 yards, Felix will do better IMO. Mayo would more than likely learn for a year. More than likely it will be Jones. Looking forward to a fun day.

by MooEChili on Apr 26, 2008 10:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Dallas wont take Linebacker in the first round

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Be crazy if they did.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't put it past them ...

If we are sitting at 28 and have no dance partners. . ..and CBs through Cason are gone. . .we took a RB at 22. . .do you get more value from a WR like Kelley or from a LB like Mayo? At the very least – Mayo’s going to contribute on STs this year and be the future starter in the middle.

Another position that we haven’t discussed and that Dallas traditionally doesn’t pick in the first round is offensive line. . .but I think that Jerry is much more creative than what any of the mocks are showing.

IF we make two first round picks – I’m calling it. . .one of them will be a LB or an OLman. PUT IT IN THE BOOK! lol

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The trade last night

The more I think about it, the more I believe it was a move by Jerry to sweeten the deal to pry a vet WR from DET or ARIZ.

I think if it allows us to trade for a legit #2 WR, it makes sense. Could also be more ammo to move up or down in the middle rounds. There was a huge gap in Dallas’ picks in the middle of the draft thanks to the Pacman deal, so at least it opens more options between #92 and #163.

My problem with the Fasano trade was that no TE is going to beat out Witten, so essentially Dallas gave up a good backup and now they probably need to bring in another guy. Curtis is OK, but Fasano was better. Seemed like an unnecessary move. We were set at TE, now we are weaker there. Like I said, if this was part of an overall plan to aquire a #2 WR, then it makes sense.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT   0 recs

dont count out Hannah, dallas is very high on him

Dallas is making room for another FB, I think they will carry two FB’s this year and three tightends, Hannah being the third

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good point

If you carry 2 FB’s, most likely one of the TE’s doesn’t make the cut. Personally, I’d rather carry the 2 FB as long as one of them is either Schmitt or Hillis.

Last I heard regarding Hannah was all potential, but not ready to challenge for actual playing time. Hopefully he made some progress in the off-season. I really don’t want to see Dallas pick another TE.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

RB's need not apply....

I really, really, really hope we don’t use any first round picks on a RB. That is certainly not our most pressing need. More defensive secondary help and a viable 2nd WR to keep defenses honest against T.O. would make more sense if you look at last year’s team. Was RB the main reason we didn’t advance further in the playoffs??

I honestly believe Barber is the real deal (which if you rewind about 6 months, everyone did), and why waste such a high draft pick on a backup?

by jrqberry on Apr 26, 2008 11:04 AM CDT   0 recs

YES.....it was the reason we didn't advance...

Can you tell me how many yards did Dallas rush for in the second half against NYG ???? We had to completely abandon the running game…opening up the Giants strength…...PASS RUSH….hence…Cowboys loss…Baber was clearly gased in the second half, JuJo was ..well…JuJo…..

IF you guys think any of these second or third tier guys will solve our problem…...your gravely mistaken….Don’t you realize this is probably MBIII’s last season here ???

IF we don’t get a RB in the first round..I’ll consider this draft a complete failure…regardless of any other players aquired.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on Apr 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying it's not an issue

Just not a big enough issue to merit a first round pick, while there are other needs, i.e. passing defense

by jrqberry on Apr 26, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Big deal

That was one game! Barber doesn’t get tired. The whole offense failed to take advantage of opportunities—not Barber’s fault. Giants were just THAT good at that crucial point of their season.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another WR in the 1st

would be a progress stopper. I really want to see what Stanback has. He impressed me in the preseason last year. I believe his size speed combo could be deadly.

by Impatient on Apr 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

totally agree Impatient...NO WR in round 1.....

I don’t think any of these receivers are worthy of our 1st rounder….None would be immediate contributors, or take away from double teaming TO….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on Apr 26, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't mind this...

It seems like what you are paying for by taking a 1st Round back is a good speed/toughness combo and the ability to come in a be “the guy” right away. Well, you can find guys with one of speed/toughness later in the draft, try to develop the other enough to where they are a good RB. We don’t need someone to be “the guy” right now. Just someone who could potentially develop into that.

The guy that I have in mind is Chris Johnson, but I haven’t seen him falling far enough in the 2nd round in the mocks very often. All that said, I still wouldn’t be upset if they took a RB in the first just because now that we have PacMan, there doesn’t seem to be quite as big a need at any spot.

We shall see…

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

#28

Does anyone think we’ll stay there? I don’t.

And I hope we don’t pick a WR in the first round. They never pan out.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:08 AM CDT   0 recs

Umm...

Keyshawn, Randy Moss, Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, Joey Galloway and up-and-comers Dwayne Bowe, Grizz-fave Calvin Johnson, and Santonio Holmes were all 1st round picks.

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 26, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Outside of Keyshawn and Moss. . .

How many of those were difference makers their rookie year? I love Bowe, but he was the only option outside of Gonzalez. C Johnson was decent, but so was Crayton last year. Plax, Wayne, Galloway and even Harrison didn’t blossom until the 3 year rule for WRs. Santonio Holmes has yet to blossom IMO.

And. .. for all of the Keyshawns and Braylon Edwards et al you can name a million Mike Williams’s that aren’t in the league 4 years later. . .

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My point wasn't that...

They aren’t good in their first year. You said 1st round WR’s never pan out. All those guys, currently playing except for Keyshawn, panned out.

I agree with you that almost none contribute in their first year and that the success rate isn’t as good as say for a RB or Tackle. I would rather the Cowboys trade for Roy Williams. I was just pointing out that a significant portion of the good WR’s playing right now came from the 1st round.

by GhettoBear04 on Apr 26, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say that they didn't pan out. . .

That was Nicklaus. . .I am just not interested in a WR in the early rounds. I want an impact player, not a Mark Clayton.

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe "never pans out" was too strong a statement

But for every name on that list there’s at least five or six 1st round WR busts in the annals of the NFL draft.

There’s no big impact WRs in this year’s draft (according to the talking heads). I just don’t think it’d be wise for us to spend a 1st on someone that won’t impact our season. RBs have a better track record

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok...llets all post our official draft predictions and see what happens

Im going to go out on a limb on this one. And this is assuming the Cowboys don’t move up.

I think with the #22 pick, the Cowboys will grab a CB. Hopefully Cason. He is the only one that I think can really step in as a rookie and play well.

The #28 pick will get traded away, for…who knows what. I would like to think it gets traded for a WR but I doubt that will happen, although Jerry will certainly try his hardest to do so. Assuming the trade happens, the Cowboys now have two second round picks

2a: Safety. I would love for Tyrell Johnson to come in.

2b: Chris Johnson. The Cowboys had some very serious interviews with him in the final week. I know that is far from a gaurantee but I just dont see how Jerry passes him up.

The Cowboys WILL NOT draft a WR on the first day.

There ya. Mark it down.

by Brandon W on Apr 26, 2008 11:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Reading my mind

I agree with these picks completely. I saw a mock with Chris Johnson going to SD in the 1st. I don’t care if we get him, Rice, F.Jones, Tashard Choice, Allen Patrick—any of those guys + another RB in the 7th and maybe a FB somewhere will get me really excited for this season.

We have MBIII everybody! The dude’s got heart and is a real football player. We just need a cool backup—that’s all.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fasano was a good back up for us. People who think Curtis proved anything last year are on crack. We have no proven backup to Witten right now.

by burmafrd1944 on Apr 26, 2008 11:15 AM CDT   0 recs

True

But back ups are expendable. We can draft a decent TE back up.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there an estimation

as to when the 22nd pick will hit?

I was thinking around 5 or so.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:19 AM CDT   0 recs

Fireworks!!! I think you'll be disappointed

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to work

I want to make sure I’m near a computer around the time the Boys might be picking

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you can watch it live on the NFL network on the computer...

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not on our crappy work computers

Plus I’m a photojournalist, I’ll be out all day - and my car’s radio crapped out this week - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it will cost atleast two first rounders

if jerry could spread it out, one this year and one next year.

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd like to see a package of picks and players...

Our #28 pick….plus Roy Williams and/or Carpenter….both needs in Detroit. This would free up even MORE cap space and we can rid ourselves of two players I don’t see playing here in ‘09 anyways…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on Apr 26, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nobody wants our roy williams

thats not even close to being enough, detroit wants draft picks, not players

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how you figure ?...regardless of what YOU think...Roy is better than every defensive back on the Detroit Lions roster.

I would NEVER give up two 1st rounders for Roy Williams…..he’ll be a free agent in 10 months…

unknown draft picks over proven commodities….i don’t think so…

I know they need LB….which is why Carp should be included too…...And there aren’t many LB’s in this draft better than Carp….and there certainly isn’t a Safety in this draft better than Roy Williams….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on Apr 26, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

a cardboard cut out is better than Roy Williams

enjoy his last year in dallas, unless he improves, he’s done after this year..

Teams want drafts picks for players, not your players,

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Our Roy is a bad safety

He’s still decent at run support, but he’s a iability in the passing game.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's being paid to be more than JUST decent

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Roy Williams for Roy Williams?

I’m not ready for my mind to be totalyy friggin’ blown like that.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

totally

I can has dictionary?

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, right?

Always moving forward....

by Nelson... on Apr 26, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't free up cap space in either instance. . .

Escalation clauses makes a hit on dead money for both.

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd love it to happen

But I don’t see it. I’d rather stock pile picks.

by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

eastern

Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.

by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good.

Only 2 1/2 more hours.

Always moving forward....

by Nelson... on Apr 26, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunno-- One Central?

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If its 3 eastern

then its 2 central.

by Romo9 on Apr 26, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The intellectual level of this collective community has been proven again!

We definitely have the draft figured out. . .even the time the thing starts!!!!

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Now explain the whole metric system please.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a virtual reality that allows us to believe we have choices in life. . .

But meanwhile, the machines are running everything and we are merely automans. Or was that the Matrix?

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for clearing that up

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Come on . . . that was as clever as a Jerry Jones trade. . .

with the intent of getting Julius Jones in the 2nd round!

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

That was clever.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

;)

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 26, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eastern-- Noon Pacific

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 11:34 AM CDT   0 recs