NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys Open Thread #1
Ah, Draft Day. It’s here. I hope you guys will be spending your day in front of the TV and chatting here on BTB.
Todd McShay – Felix Jones,
Mel Kiper – Felix Jones, James Hardy
Rick Gosselin – Felix Jones,
NFL Draft Cowntdown - DRC, Felix Jones
Don Banks – Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins
This is an open thread, chat it up!
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I would be elated with either
Don Banks’ or NFL Draft Countdown draft picks. I don’t know what Banks is smoking if he thinks Jenikins will fall that far or that we won’t snatch him up if he’s there at 22.
by DC_fan on Apr 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Cap space -- that's it?!
I was hoping that trade would’ve freed up more cap space $$$ just in case a trade for an expensive veteran WR went down today.
Doubt DRC will drop low enough for Dallas to take him.
Guess if Felix Jones doesn’t end up a Cowboy, 95% of mockers will look like frontrunners. Something tells me they won’t draft him—they’ll be more creative with the RB situation.
Draft doesn’t start till noon out here on the west coast. I’ll have to put the mamosas away in favor of coffee for now.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Bigrigga31 on Apr 26, 2008 10:06 AM CDT 0 recs
5 picks in the 1st 100.....
.....sounds like a recipe for trading up if you ask me. If DMac falls below the Raiders, Jerry will start lighting up the phones. And who can blame him?
by allhailcale on Apr 26, 2008 10:23 AM CDT 0 recs
Mcfadden wont get past the Jets
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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he said past the raiders
KC is ahead of the Jets…
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
Apr 26, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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I think the Rams are taking Chris Long
with the second overall pick,
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:33 AM CDT 0 recs
lol....no doubt sub.....this 3pm start is killin' me....
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
by BoyzRback on Apr 26, 2008 10:39 AM CDT 0 recs
a later start but atleast we dont have to wait 15 minutes between every pick
so things should move along alot smoother and can do away with the endless talk about each selection..
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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I think Shockey will be traded to the Saints
for a second and fourth rounder
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:41 AM CDT 0 recs
It will take two picks to get him?
Why would you give up two picks for Shockey and we gave up two players for a 4th?
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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you're not going to campare shockey to a backup tightend and a linebacker on his way out of dallas are you
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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Uhhh. . .compare?
I’d take Fasano and Akin everyday over Shockey. I know Fasano isn’t the same kind of TE, but we honestly don’t know much about him since he sits behind the man-child Witten. At a minimum, he’s a Randy McMichaels in Miami. As for Akin – he has as many years left at a high level as Shockey does. . .
So, which is worth a 4th and which is worth a 2nd and a 4th?
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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I have Atlanta taking Dorsey at 3
Raiders taking Gholston at 4
Kansas City taking Chris Williams or trading down with Baltimore for Matt Ryan
Jets taking Mcfadden—end of the dream for cowboy Mcfadden lovers..
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on Apr 26, 2008 10:51 AM CDT 0 recs
First Time Caller, Long Time Listener
and I finally signed up.
From what should be available at #22, I’ve had my eyes on two guys, Mayo and Felix Jones. Had Talib in the mix for awhile but just don’t see any DBs worth the pick. Jones would surely contribute this year. Last year J Jones averaged 10 attempts for less than 600 yards, Felix will do better IMO. Mayo would more than likely learn for a year. More than likely it will be Jones. Looking forward to a fun day.
by MooEChili on Apr 26, 2008 10:56 AM CDT 0 recs
Dallas wont take Linebacker in the first round
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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I wouldn't put it past them ...
If we are sitting at 28 and have no dance partners. . ..and CBs through Cason are gone. . .we took a RB at 22. . .do you get more value from a WR like Kelley or from a LB like Mayo? At the very least – Mayo’s going to contribute on STs this year and be the future starter in the middle.
Another position that we haven’t discussed and that Dallas traditionally doesn’t pick in the first round is offensive line. . .but I think that Jerry is much more creative than what any of the mocks are showing.
IF we make two first round picks – I’m calling it. . .one of them will be a LB or an OLman. PUT IT IN THE BOOK! lol
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:08 PM CDT
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The trade last night
The more I think about it, the more I believe it was a move by Jerry to sweeten the deal to pry a vet WR from DET or ARIZ.
I think if it allows us to trade for a legit #2 WR, it makes sense. Could also be more ammo to move up or down in the middle rounds. There was a huge gap in Dallas’ picks in the middle of the draft thanks to the Pacman deal, so at least it opens more options between #92 and #163.
My problem with the Fasano trade was that no TE is going to beat out Witten, so essentially Dallas gave up a good backup and now they probably need to bring in another guy. Curtis is OK, but Fasano was better. Seemed like an unnecessary move. We were set at TE, now we are weaker there. Like I said, if this was part of an overall plan to aquire a #2 WR, then it makes sense.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2008 10:57 AM CDT 0 recs
dont count out Hannah, dallas is very high on him
Dallas is making room for another FB, I think they will carry two FB’s this year and three tightends, Hannah being the third
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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That's a good point
If you carry 2 FB’s, most likely one of the TE’s doesn’t make the cut. Personally, I’d rather carry the 2 FB as long as one of them is either Schmitt or Hillis.
Last I heard regarding Hannah was all potential, but not ready to challenge for actual playing time. Hopefully he made some progress in the off-season. I really don’t want to see Dallas pick another TE.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 26, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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RB's need not apply....
I really, really, really hope we don’t use any first round picks on a RB. That is certainly not our most pressing need. More defensive secondary help and a viable 2nd WR to keep defenses honest against T.O. would make more sense if you look at last year’s team. Was RB the main reason we didn’t advance further in the playoffs??
I honestly believe Barber is the real deal (which if you rewind about 6 months, everyone did), and why waste such a high draft pick on a backup?
by jrqberry on Apr 26, 2008 11:04 AM CDT 0 recs
YES.....it was the reason we didn't advance...
Can you tell me how many yards did Dallas rush for in the second half against NYG ???? We had to completely abandon the running game…opening up the Giants strength…...PASS RUSH….hence…Cowboys loss…Baber was clearly gased in the second half, JuJo was ..well…JuJo…..
IF you guys think any of these second or third tier guys will solve our problem…...your gravely mistaken….Don’t you realize this is probably MBIII’s last season here ???
IF we don’t get a RB in the first round..I’ll consider this draft a complete failure…regardless of any other players aquired.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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I'm not saying it's not an issue
Just not a big enough issue to merit a first round pick, while there are other needs, i.e. passing defense
by jrqberry on
Apr 26, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Big deal
That was one game! Barber doesn’t get tired. The whole offense failed to take advantage of opportunities—not Barber’s fault. Giants were just THAT good at that crucial point of their season.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Bigrigga31 on
Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Another WR in the 1st
would be a progress stopper. I really want to see what Stanback has. He impressed me in the preseason last year. I believe his size speed combo could be deadly.
by Impatient on
Apr 26, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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totally agree Impatient...NO WR in round 1.....
I don’t think any of these receivers are worthy of our 1st rounder….None would be immediate contributors, or take away from double teaming TO….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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+1. . .I don't want a WR in the first 2 rounds!
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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I wouldn't mind this...
It seems like what you are paying for by taking a 1st Round back is a good speed/toughness combo and the ability to come in a be “the guy” right away. Well, you can find guys with one of speed/toughness later in the draft, try to develop the other enough to where they are a good RB. We don’t need someone to be “the guy” right now. Just someone who could potentially develop into that.
The guy that I have in mind is Chris Johnson, but I haven’t seen him falling far enough in the 2nd round in the mocks very often. All that said, I still wouldn’t be upset if they took a RB in the first just because now that we have PacMan, there doesn’t seem to be quite as big a need at any spot.
We shall see…
by GhettoBear04 on
Apr 26, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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#28
Does anyone think we’ll stay there? I don’t.
And I hope we don’t pick a WR in the first round. They never pan out.
by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:08 AM CDT 0 recs
Umm...
Keyshawn, Randy Moss, Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, Joey Galloway and up-and-comers Dwayne Bowe, Grizz-fave Calvin Johnson, and Santonio Holmes were all 1st round picks.
by GhettoBear04 on
Apr 26, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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Outside of Keyshawn and Moss. . .
How many of those were difference makers their rookie year? I love Bowe, but he was the only option outside of Gonzalez. C Johnson was decent, but so was Crayton last year. Plax, Wayne, Galloway and even Harrison didn’t blossom until the 3 year rule for WRs. Santonio Holmes has yet to blossom IMO.
And. .. for all of the Keyshawns and Braylon Edwards et al you can name a million Mike Williams’s that aren’t in the league 4 years later. . .
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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My point wasn't that...
They aren’t good in their first year. You said 1st round WR’s never pan out. All those guys, currently playing except for Keyshawn, panned out.
I agree with you that almost none contribute in their first year and that the success rate isn’t as good as say for a RB or Tackle. I would rather the Cowboys trade for Roy Williams. I was just pointing out that a significant portion of the good WR’s playing right now came from the 1st round.
by GhettoBear04 on
Apr 26, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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I didn't say that they didn't pan out. . .
That was Nicklaus. . .I am just not interested in a WR in the early rounds. I want an impact player, not a Mark Clayton.
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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Maybe "never pans out" was too strong a statement
But for every name on that list there’s at least five or six 1st round WR busts in the annals of the NFL draft.
There’s no big impact WRs in this year’s draft (according to the talking heads). I just don’t think it’d be wise for us to spend a 1st on someone that won’t impact our season. RBs have a better track record
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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Ok...llets all post our official draft predictions and see what happens
Im going to go out on a limb on this one. And this is assuming the Cowboys don’t move up.
I think with the #22 pick, the Cowboys will grab a CB. Hopefully Cason. He is the only one that I think can really step in as a rookie and play well.
The #28 pick will get traded away, for…who knows what. I would like to think it gets traded for a WR but I doubt that will happen, although Jerry will certainly try his hardest to do so. Assuming the trade happens, the Cowboys now have two second round picks
2a: Safety. I would love for Tyrell Johnson to come in.
2b: Chris Johnson. The Cowboys had some very serious interviews with him in the final week. I know that is far from a gaurantee but I just dont see how Jerry passes him up.
The Cowboys WILL NOT draft a WR on the first day.
There ya. Mark it down.
by Brandon W on Apr 26, 2008 11:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Reading my mind
I agree with these picks completely. I saw a mock with Chris Johnson going to SD in the 1st. I don’t care if we get him, Rice, F.Jones, Tashard Choice, Allen Patrick—any of those guys + another RB in the 7th and maybe a FB somewhere will get me really excited for this season.
We have MBIII everybody! The dude’s got heart and is a real football player. We just need a cool backup—that’s all.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Bigrigga31 on
Apr 26, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Fasano was a good back up for us. People who think Curtis proved anything last year are on crack. We have no proven backup to Witten right now.
by burmafrd1944 on Apr 26, 2008 11:15 AM CDT 0 recs
True
But back ups are expendable. We can draft a decent TE back up.
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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If Stewart or Jones is there at 22
Our #1 will be RB
by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:16 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree..
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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That's what Stephen Jackson thought too
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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Is there an estimation
as to when the 22nd pick will hit?
I was thinking around 5 or so.
by NicklausLouis on Apr 26, 2008 11:19 AM CDT 0 recs
I sure wouldn't take your eyes off the set before the 22nd pick....cuz there's going to be fireworks today...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Fireworks!!! I think you'll be disappointed
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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I have to work
I want to make sure I’m near a computer around the time the Boys might be picking
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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you can watch it live on the NFL network on the computer...
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Not on our crappy work computers
Plus I’m a photojournalist, I’ll be out all day - and my car’s radio crapped out this week - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Use your cell phone to update you
That #38 sure can hit!
by Bigrigga31 on
Apr 26, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Schefter saying that Lions Roy Williams could possibly be traded today
He thinks Jerry is going to make a play for him hardcore. Could be very interesting.
by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Apr 26, 2008 11:24 AM CDT 0 recs
it will cost atleast two first rounders
if jerry could spread it out, one this year and one next year.
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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I'd like to see a package of picks and players...
Our #28 pick….plus Roy Williams and/or Carpenter….both needs in Detroit. This would free up even MORE cap space and we can rid ourselves of two players I don’t see playing here in ‘09 anyways…..
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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nobody wants our roy williams
thats not even close to being enough, detroit wants draft picks, not players
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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how you figure ?...regardless of what YOU think...Roy is better than every defensive back on the Detroit Lions roster.
I would NEVER give up two 1st rounders for Roy Williams…..he’ll be a free agent in 10 months…
unknown draft picks over proven commodities….i don’t think so…
I know they need LB….which is why Carp should be included too…...And there aren’t many LB’s in this draft better than Carp….and there certainly isn’t a Safety in this draft better than Roy Williams….
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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a cardboard cut out is better than Roy Williams
enjoy his last year in dallas, unless he improves, he’s done after this year..
Teams want drafts picks for players, not your players,
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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we'll see....I'm sure any discussions Jerry is having will have players going as well...
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 26, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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Our Roy is a bad safety
He’s still decent at run support, but he’s a iability in the passing game.
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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He's being paid to be more than JUST decent
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Roy Williams for Roy Williams?
I’m not ready for my mind to be totalyy friggin’ blown like that.
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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It doesn't free up cap space in either instance. . .
Escalation clauses makes a hit on dead money for both.
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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I'd love it to happen
But I don’t see it. I’d rather stock pile picks.
by NicklausLouis on
Apr 26, 2008 11:27 AM CDT
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Is the Draft's start time 3pm Eastern or Central?
Always moving forward....
by Nelson... on Apr 26, 2008 11:33 AM CDT 0 recs
eastern
Trade up a few spots to get ahead of Houston and draft Jonathan Stewart, thee best all around Back in the draft.
by Deke on
Apr 26, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Good.
Only 2 1/2 more hours.
Always moving forward....
by Nelson... on
Apr 26, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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The intellectual level of this collective community has been proven again!
We definitely have the draft figured out. . .even the time the thing starts!!!!
Bum's Boy Boyz
by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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LOL
Now explain the whole metric system please.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 26, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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It's a virtual reality that allows us to believe we have choices in life. . .
But meanwhile, the machines are running everything and we are merely automans. Or was that the Matrix?
Bum's Boy Boyz
by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Thanks for clearing that up
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 26, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Come on . . . that was as clever as a Jerry Jones trade. . .
with the intent of getting Julius Jones in the 2nd round!
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by JerrodWheeler on
Apr 26, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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I agree
That was clever.
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