NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys day two wrap-up
The second day of the 2008 NFL Draft for the Dallas Cowboys was a strange one indeed. Coming into the second day the Cowboys’ first pick was supposed to be #92 but Jerry Jones returned to form with a vengeance by trading back not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times until they finally used a pick at #122. All in all, I thought Jerry did a good job here as the Cowboys eventually walked out with an extra third and fourth round pick in the 2009 draft. You can check the DMN blog here for the details.
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Says Dallas really reached for their last two picks
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by Mullin on
Apr 27, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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Scandrick wasn't a reach
If anything, he was a big value. He was rated highly on the 3 draft boards I was following.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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Erik Walden?
WTF, in the 6th round? It was all going so well until that horrible reach.
Lets hope they corral some good UDFA’s
Still need NT and SS
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 27, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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I am upset with the Walden pick.....
After all that wheelin’ and dealin’ they still had a great chance to grab a player of good value and at a position of need….instead…Erik Walden …a situational pass rushing OLB from a small school program ?? .......37 picks later Philly..(who know pass rushers) picked up a bigger faster better Andy Studebaker-OLB who was a much more prolific prospect…....http://www.drafttec.com doesn’t even have this Walden dude listed among their big board that consists of 322 draft eligable players…...
wtf…..I sure hope our scouting team knows something more about this guy than all the other so called experts…......He wasn’t even a full time starter at a weak school not known for their defense…...22 1/2 sacks in 21 career starts…...
Some notable players of interest chosen AFTER Erik Walden:
Morgan-WR
Hubbard-WR
Lynch-S
Barber-S
Rubin-NT
Thomas-OG
Justice-OC
Studebaker-OLB
Garcon-WR
Johnston-DE/OLB
Brennen-QB
Flynn-QB
Washington-RB
Barrett-SS
Cambell-SS
Keith-OT
Hillis-FB
Monk-WR
BOLD = denotes players I would have considered before this guy Walden
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
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Grizz, I think the Choice pick
gives the Cowboys some insurance and leverage with the negotiations with MB3. If for some reason a contract can’t be reached him, we have Jones and Choice as our backs of the future.
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by Terry on
Apr 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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While true in theory...
There’s no way in hell we are letting MBIII go
Tar Heels football will surprise this year
by DalaiLuke on
Apr 27, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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B+
filled their needs well, would have like to have seen a defensive lineman
by bkcowboy on
Apr 27, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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QUITE CONTENT
I’m really satisfied with DC draft choices, JJ, WP and the Crew did an outstanding job. RB and two RB’s with with 4.3+ speed. Newman might watch he don’t try to break the bank. Grizz what’s your thoughts on this. I always respect what you say.
by TeamStrike on
Apr 27, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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I'm never totally satisfied
like I said above, I think we filled some big needs, but some of the picks I didn’t quite get. Of course, it really means nothing until we can start seeing them play. The proof is always in the pudding.
by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on
Apr 27, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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LOL, I love the overreacters concerning NT and SS.
Get used to it. Ratliff and Tank are it as your nt’s. We could do ALOT worse.
38 IS your ss, Hamlins contract will get done and if NEXT year Roy hasnt regained his former glory than Hamlin moves to SS and Brown, Watkins, a FA, or a top 3 or 4 round pick will be your FS.The sky is falling, the sky is falling …...NT….....SS…..... yada yada yada
by Phooey on
Apr 27, 2008 6:13 PM CDT
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Calm the waters
I too think folks are overreacting. You simply can’t have everyting you want. I beleive we feeled some very import needs. Speed and talent.
by TeamStrike on
Apr 27, 2008 6:16 PM CDT
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Just stating the fact's Phooey
It’s fine if you don’t agree, but don’t post your condescending BS. Got it?
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 27, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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I also agree with this post
Phooey, no need to come off as if you missed your calling to be the next NFL scout. Opinions are merely that… and are ENCOURAGED here… try to keep it civil.
Tar Heels football will surprise this year
by DalaiLuke on
Apr 27, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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Nasty ain't Ya
If is was Grizz you wouldn’t be on this site. He created so we bloggers could have open and respectful comments. I’ll say a pray for you.
by TeamStrike on
Apr 28, 2008 12:24 AM CDT
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What?
I’ve been on this site since it started. Don’t recognize you though. You should tell your buddy to be more respectful. Thanks for the prayer.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 28, 2008 2:55 AM CDT
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I also like our picks... except...
I can only assume the Cowboys Scouts see more in Walden than most do. This is the pick that stands out as the major question mark.
As for not filling NT… it appears the Cowboys management likes Spears more than the folks here. Hatcher may battle for more time, but Spears seems to be safe.
As for safety concerns, I remain hopeful that we will see more of Pat Watkins. We threw him into the fires his rookie year and he made mistakes. Who’s surprised by that? He has the physical skills, this is his third year, and given our lack of a safety pick, perhaps the Cowboys have more faith in him than they let on?
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by DalaiLuke on
Apr 27, 2008 6:22 PM CDT
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I Would Doubt It
Watkins has struggled, he’s a mediocre player at best. He doesn’t have the strength to be a good tackler, and always seems to have a slow first step. My guess is he’ll be gone after next year, maybe this year if Brown improves during the offseason.
by kindablue on
Apr 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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NT and SS
Rat is now listed on the official depth chart as a defensive end, not a nose tackle. So it is far from a given that he will rotate with Tank at NT in 2008. I think Dallas should bring in at least one UFA at nose tackle and I am still advocating for signing Grady Jackson if he can be had for a low $$$, short-term contract.
As for Hamlin, you shouldn’t state as a fact that Dallas will sign him to a long-term deal. The price of good safeties has gone through the roof recently and Jerry may decide that salary cap resources are better spent elsewhere.
So, I think some of the concern regarding NT, SS and FS that bloggers have expressed are legitimate. But you are correct, the sky isn’t falling – the converse is true: We are blessed with an outstanding team and outstanding management. A far cry from the earlier part of this decade.
by Cowboy Louie on
Apr 27, 2008 8:14 PM CDT
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Good god...
I think Owen Schmitt and Peyton Hillis are still available. Sick ‘em Jerry!
by quincyyyyy on
Apr 27, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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Hillis was drafted.......i think I saw his name.....?
I just woke up….all that trading put me to sleep..
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 6:27 PM CDT
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Excellent write up Grizz....I think you touched on every exact thought I had about this second day....
We went into this day with three picks…...Did we get the 3 players we all would have wanted ?....NO…..Did we gain depth at positions we felt should be addressed ?....NO…...Can we really complain about filling our need for a 3rd RB ?....NO…..Can we really complain about aquiring an additional DB with superb measurables to strengthen our new, upgraded secondary ?...NO….
Can we have gripes about picking up a small school project at a OLB position, when other talents were available at positions of greater need?....YES
Can we go to bed today satisfied that we go into next years draft loaded with over 10 selections that will sustain our excellence for yyears to come…YES
We have our starter 1b at RB in Jones …..We have youth, talent, and economically prudence at our 3rd RB position in Choice…...We added an elite, versatile DB’s in Jenkins and Scandrick…...We have a young, raw, and gifted talent to complement our all pro TE in Bennett…..and to top it off….We landed a outside rush presence in Walden, that very well may stick on this roster and add to our depth of outstanding pass rushers.
One thing is certain…..Every player we drafted will certainly add to our special teams in one way or another…..a big plus..
First day grade = A
Second day grade= C
Overall grade accounting for future draft picks= a solid B
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 6:25 PM CDT
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Excellent write up Grizz....I think you touched on every exact thought I had about this second day....
We went into this day with three picks…...Did we get the 3 players we all would have wanted ?....NO…..Did we gain depth at positions we felt should be addressed ?....NO…...Can we really complain about filling our need for a 3rd RB ?....NO…..Can we really complain about aquiring an additional DB with superb measurables to strengthen our new, upgraded secondary ?...NO….
Can we have gripes about picking up a small school project at a OLB position, when other talents were available at positions of greater need?....YES
Can we go to bed today satisfied that we go into next years draft loaded with over 10 selections that will sustain our excellence for yyears to come…YES
We have our starter 1b at RB in Jones …..We have youth, talent, and economically prudence at our 3rd RB position in Choice…...We added an elite, versatile DB’s in Jenkins and Scandrick…...We have a young, raw, and gifted talent to complement our all pro TE in Bennett…..and to top it off….We landed a outside rush presence in Walden, that very well may stick on this roster and add to our depth of outstanding pass rushers.
One thing is certain…..Every player we drafted will certainly add to our special teams in one way or another…..a big plus..
First day grade = A
Second day grade= C
Overall grade accounting for future draft picks= a solid B
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 6:26 PM CDT
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Superb points, Boyz
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by silverblue5 on
Apr 27, 2008 7:08 PM CDT
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List of UDFAs I want (in order):
Adarius Bowman (WR-OSU)-Not great initial speed and some motivational issues, but he has the tools to develop into a really, really good WR
Ali Highsmith (LB-LSU)-High Character, Small guy who has played all 3 LB spots at LSU, All-American…We really couldn’t tell him to put on 10 lbs and play him as a Nickel ILB
Marcus Griffin (S-Texas)-He would need to develop coverage skills, but he is a tough player who would immediately help on ST
Keilen Dykes (NT-WVU)-Has played in a 3-man front, his main knock is that he needs time to add bulk, but he has the frame to do it. Sounds like the perfect sort of project.
by GhettoBear04 on
Apr 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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Correctin: Ali Highsmith
We really couldn’t tell him to put on 10 lbs and play him at nickel ILB?
by GhettoBear04 on
Apr 27, 2008 6:40 PM CDT
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As an OSU alum let me tell you
Bowman was a stud, but he had issues at another school, which is why he ended up in Stillwater. At the end of the season he got hurt, never has been the same. Recently, I read he was busted for pot, again. I’m sad to say, he probably blew his chances to make it in the NFL.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 27, 2008 6:45 PM CDT
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Bad draft for inside defensive linemen. Bad year for safety. If your not drafting one early then why bother? The Cowboys have quality at NT, and at DE, I know alot of ya hate Spears but damn its not like hes played like a bust. Not every pick ends up in the pro-bowl, in fact most dont. Ratliff played well at NT, dont go messing with a good thing.
Roy was paid a huge sum to be your SS. You cant just throw him aside, it doesnt work that way.
Next year….who knows but at least you have his replacement on the roster…Hamlin… if they decide to resign him…. and Roy’s cap hit will be managable.
Sorry if I sound harsh but every Cowboy site you visit you get a couple of guys whinning about the NT/DE…..SS…....and even FB position. Like the 6th or 7th round option in the draft, who was a back-up at BFE university is a given to outplay [insert name here]...
Sorry if I sound rude I just get tired of hearing the same tired arguement over and over again ad naseum…..
Anyway, we are all Cowboys fans so no hatred towards any of you.
by Phooey on
Apr 27, 2008 6:41 PM CDT
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Who said take guys in the 6th and 7th rounds?
We could have had Bryant or Rubin at NT to rotate with Tank so Ratliff could play more DE (something Phillips hinted at in a press conference or interview). Yes he played well at DT, but it’s not his best position.
As for Safety, we lost Davis, he does need to be replaced. No depth behind Roy, and a good backup could also shore up ST. Again we had some options to fill that need before the 6th round.
As for FB, it would be nice to have a guy come in and compete with Cricket, I like him, but he did injure his neck last season and there is no depth there either unless you use the TE’s as H-backs, I was high on Schmitt, but that was only my opinion.
If you disagree with that, its cool, but don’t dismiss those needs out of hand.
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by APerfectStar on
Apr 27, 2008 6:59 PM CDT
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IF ONLY......we chose Bryant-NT, Franklin-WR, and Schmitt-FB and walked away from the phones....
WE ALL would be going Gaaaa gaaaa….right now
Instead we got Choice-RB, Scandrick-CB, and some dude named Walden-OLB…..and a ‘09 3rd and 4th rounder…...hmmmmm…..
which one seems more appealing to you ?
we'll never know..
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 11:33 PM CDT
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I personally would rather have the future picks
Bryant, Franklin or Schmitt would not have been locks to make the team.
With additional ammo in draft picks, we can move up in next years draft and select a player who will have an impact on the team, not career back ups or PS players.
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by Terry on
Apr 29, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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Great draft
Choice was BPA, not sure u can fault a team for that…rather do BPA then draft for need, which would have been stupid.
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
Apr 27, 2008 6:43 PM CDT
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Thanks for the recaps
With infrequent internet checks and local ESPN radio that was covering a baseball game, I couldn’t figure out what the heck Jerry was doing with all those trades.
I thought that Felix will have his own role to play in the passing and running game while Choice might be the regular back up for MB3.
Jerry seemed to take this lack of wide receivers in the draft pretty seriously. Maybe they’re thinking instead of adding WR backups, we add Felix for big run/pass plays and a second TE for two TE sets. So Felix and the TE essentially reduce the need for a big time WR. If this is right it puts a lot of pressure on Jason Garret to be creative with Felix and figure out how to get a two tight end set to work.
by BigE on
Apr 27, 2008 7:22 PM CDT
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As Always...
Very, very thorough review, Grizz.
Service us Cowboys Fans wouldn’t get anywhere else!
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by silverblue5 on
Apr 27, 2008 7:29 PM CDT
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Good UDFA crop. I want some of these guys.
QB-Sam Keller, Nebraska
RB-Dantrell Savage, Oklahoma State
WR-D.J. Hall, Alabama
Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Maurice Purify, Nebraska
C-Adam Spieker, Missouri
DT-Derek Lokey, Texas
DE-Tommy Blake, Texas Christian
OLB-Wesley Woodyard, Kentucky
ILB-Vince Hall, Virginia Tech
CB-Darnell Terrell, Missouri
Trey Brown, UCLA
S-Marcus Griffin, Texas
DJ Wolfe, Oklahoma
Jamie Silva, Boston College
by Romo9 on
Apr 27, 2008 7:29 PM CDT
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What about
The LB from Maryland, Henderson. Did he get drafted?
by murph22 on
Apr 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT
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Erin Henderson
is his saw he went undrafted i hope we look at him.
by murph22 on
Apr 27, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
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I was suprised to see Henderson fall out of the draft....he was rated 2nd rounder by some early on...
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 11:36 PM CDT
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wow
Spieker went undrafted? That really surprises me.
by MeanMr.Mustard on
Apr 27, 2008 7:50 PM CDT
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Bennett to fullback?
I wonder what the chances would be of moving Bennett to fullback? He supposedly is a good athlete and that would give him a chance to be a devastating blocker… Imagine 260 pounds of fullback coming at ya. Theoretically he would also be a decent receiver ou of the backfield. Hback in his future? Just speculation.
by xtremeyouth on
Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM CDT
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no way Bennett plays FB....too tall..6'6" and plays too upright at times...can become an excellent blocker though....
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by BoyzRback on
Apr 27, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
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Good drafting--can't complain at all.
I thought the Cowboys did an excellent job with every pick and every trade-getting an extra #3 and #4 in 2009 counts as a plus. RB and CB are solidified. Bennett is a pass-catching TE was a tremendous upside. DE/LB Walden is a special teamer drafted in round 6-take it easy, folks.
The one question I have is at backup QB. I like Bartel, but can’t stand Brad Johnson’s weak arm. Has Bartel improved?
The only other negative is why was our draft two years ago so poor? LB Carpenter? TE Fasano? Skyler Green, anyone? Eeeeek!
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Apr 28, 2008 2:10 AM CDT
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