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Because I am really impatient... The 53 man roster and 7 man PS

Offense:

QB: Romosexual, [whoever Gruden cuts]

LT: Flozell "the Hotel", Doug "the freak" Free

LG: McQ, Kosier

C:  Gurode, Procter

RG: Bigg

RT Colombo, Marten

WR: Owens, Glenn, Crayton, Stanback, Hurd

TE: Witten, Bennett, Curtis

RB: The Barberian, FeJo, Tashard Choice

FB: Anderson

Defense:

NT: Ratliff, Tank

DE: Canty, Hatcher, Spears, Bowen, Dixon

WOLB: D-Ware, Rogers

WILB: Thomas, Burnett

SILB: James, Carpenter

SOLB: Ellis/Spencer

OLB/ILB: Walden

SS: Roy "the Biscuit", Dowayne Davis

FS: Hamlin "the Hammer", Watkins, Brown

CB: Newman, Henry, Pac Man, Jenkins, Ball,  Scandrick

Special Teams:

LS: L.P. Frenchy

Punter: "the Terror from Down Under" McBriar

Kicker: The Folk Hero

PS:
WR Amendola
TE Hannah
FB Crosslin
OT Brecher
WR Mike Jefferson
RB Alonzo Coleman
QB Richard Bartel

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That's actually pretty good I think. . .

Now. . injuries could screw the whole thing up and who knows what the practice squad might look like, but the only thing I see that I disagree with is that you are going to ask Walden to change positions from DE to OLB and then ask him to play two different LB roles. . .switch he and Carp around and that’s a pretty nice run at it this early.

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 28, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I did that cuz I really don't know what Wade wants to do with him

body type he seems more like an ILB in Wade’s scheme.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not bad, but a little off

We are keeping 6 WR’s because we can’t count on Glenn. Austin will make the roster.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin will not make the roster......undrafted RFA would be an upgrade over him.

Mark Bradford

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your wrong on that one Boyz

Just like many said Carpenter won’t be around, Austin will. It just makes too much sense to keep him around. He is a special teams demon and one of the fastest on the team as well as our best kickoff returner. Too many questions surrounding TG and Stanback the reason why he stays.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Austin is a very talented WR

this could very well be his breakout year

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya right....he better break out some stickum,,,

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just like T.O.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be happy with that.

What do you think happens to Miles?

Bourn to Run!

by jsams on Apr 28, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

traded for a future 7th to Parcells

With all these new returners we have on our team I think he lost his value, and Sam Hurd is a more reliable backup as he knows all the WR positions and has better hands.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles Austin

is going to have to show a lot in camp to keep his job. No more drops and he better be ace at KR because we drafted two pretty good return men and if Stanback is ready and Amendola shows something Miles could easily be out of a job.

by JamesR on Apr 28, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amendola can give the Cowboys

something they don’t have on the team: a short, quick slot guy. They’ve got alot of tall guys (besides T.Glenn).

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Apr 29, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin is faster than Hurd, but ...

... is much less reliable.

If Austin can eliminate the dropsies and make his presence known when he gets on the field, I could see him being the burner that we need.

But right now he’s unproven and unreliable. And his time might be running out.

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin is gone.....count on it...

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by BoyzRback on Apr 28, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree here

just because of what I stated above. TG is not certain and we don’t even know if Stanback can make the transition. Too many question marks on some of these receivers so it would be ill advised to cut Austin who’s has a ton of talent and one of the fastest on the team. He is still the top kickoff returner on the team. All the others are punt returners, not kickoff returners. Believe it or not there is a difference between the two and you just can’t plug anyone back there and hope to get results. He’s makes the team.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...What have you been smoking ??????
He is still the top kickoff returner on the team.

lmfao …...We just drafted one of the best collegian kickoff return men of all time….Felix Jones…and he doesn’t return punts…

2 time 1st team All American Return Specialist…...

Mike Jenkins is also an established kick return guy…..and he doesn’t return punts..

Adam Jones also an extremely gifted kickoff return guy…and YES…..He will be our starting Punt Returner….Jenkins and Jones will probably line up for Kick Returns….

There is not one player on this team more worried about his roster spot right now than Miles Austin….trust me on that…..stone hands, 6th receiver, and 4th string KR guys don’t last long..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your really think were going to use our #2 RB as a steady kickoff

returner?? I think not.

I’ll give you Jenkins, but he has to show something first.

Pacman is a punt returner, not a kickoff returner. There is a huge difference between the two. He will not be used in that extra role.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well agree to disagree Boyz

I hope the kid makes it, but anything can happen. I see your argument though.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes...Jones was drafted for his return abilities....as well as his prolific offensive skills...

I’d bet you 1 million dollars he’ll be returning kickoffs for us…day 1.

and…..I’ll bet you another million Adam Jones will be returning every punt.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on A. Jones on punts

not on kickoffs.

No way, not happening.

Were not going to wear the kid out and increase his risk for injury.

I don’t remember Pacman returning kickoffs in Tenn. Only punt returns

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wear the kid out ???

Teams will be lucky to score on us this year….maybe 1-4 kick returns a game tops ??

I didn’t mention Adam Jones returning kickoffs…..Felix Jones will be doing that…...with either Austin, if he’s still around…OR Mike Jenkins..

I’ll bet you another million Adam Jones will be returning every punt.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw.....do a little research if your really going to present some sort of arguement....

Adam Jones-


not on kickoffs.

No way, not happening.

Were not going to wear the kid out and increase his risk for injury.

I don’t remember Pacman returning kickoffs in Tenn. Only punt returns

Adam Jones Career Kickoff stats:

2005- 43 kickoff returns 26.2 yards per return

2006- 20 kickoff returns 26.1 yards per return

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok relax.....

Like I said I’m not a huge Pacman fan so I didn’t follow his every move in Tenn. Regardless, I don’t see our #2 CB being used on punt and kickoff returns all the time.

He has to be reinstated first and that may not happen until training camp so cutting anyone, especially our best kickoff returner and one of our best special teams player would be stupid.

You also have to factor in the health of TG and if Stanback can stay healthy and make it as a Wr.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pacman not a kickoff returner??

Complete nonsense. He has returned exactly as many kickoffs in his career (63) as he has punts. And with a career k.o. return average of 26.2 he’s an excellent option in that role.

by FunCowboysFan on May 8, 2008 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had to move Ball to the roster last year

to keep him safe from PS vultures at the end of the year, so I doubt he’ll be safe now.

Scandrick definitely wouldn’t make it. He was projected to be a late second/early third rounder. Scandrick was a steal. And in turn someone would steal him off our PS.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe but I think Wade has as much an affinity towards

linebackers as Parcells. Don’t see him keeping a WR over a pressure player/linebacker.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alan Ball sucks

I hope he is cut.

I love Miley Cyrus.

by miles on Apr 29, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, why is everyone so high on him?

If he was so good, why was he drafted in the 7th round and not activated ‘til late in the season?

Until I hear Grizz’s TC report of him making an impact… and in turn, he shows it during preseason games and da real games, the jury’s still out on him and he’s still considered unproven.

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do people think he sucks!!!

How can anyone come to that determination, based on what!!!

Nobody is saying he’s the next Champ Bailey but are we going to make a decision based on one game he got to play late in the season?

People are getting the impression from reporters around the organization that have talked to coaches and have expressed comments that Ball has really shown some things in practice. The organization must see something in him to sign him off the practice squad before someone else did, but where one can say he sucks and hopes he’s cut based on little to nothing they’ve seen thus far is premature.

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill man. I didn't say he sucked.

I just said that he’s unproven. Big difference. We haven’t seen enough of him.

My question was…

why is everyone so high on him?

Review the post, never used the word “sucks.”

Romo was unproven at one time. But we did see glimpses of his potential in preseason games. And once Big Bill decided he was ready, in to the game he went.

Since that time, he’s become “proven.”

As I stated, never said Ball sucks, just unproven. I don’t wanna join the bandwagon that’s high on him… I like to temper my expectations. While at the same time, I’m not gonna say he sucks, because none of the coaches or media types close to the Cowboys said anything bad about him.

But HELL if I’m gonna pencil him as our nickel back. As I said earlier, “the jury’s still out on him.”

Got it?

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreeing with you Silverblue

Always chilled….

Not referring to you, but miles above you and those who said he sucks and should be cut.

just continuing on with what you were saying with regards to Ball

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bust, deke. sorry about that.

i don’t think it’s fair - either way - to say Ball sucks or to pencil him in as our nickel back.

i wanna hear TC reports and watch preseason games and eventually regular season games to see for myself how productive Ball could be.

it’ll be interesting to see the competition at CB during TC. With Ball, Jenkins, Scandrick, Butler, and UDFAs.

if a. jones can finally grow up and stay on the field - and be considered trustworthy (a lot of “ifs” here) - then it’ll really get interesting. but based on the extensive criminal history, i just can’t get myself to trust that guy.

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

I certainly feel alot better about our secondary with who was acquired during the offseason(talent wise, not character wise with regards to Pac-rat) and the draft going into this season than what was on the roster entering last years training camp

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1 Deke

He will be the 4th CB on the roster, maybe the 3rd if Pacman is not ready. Bank on it.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not getting cut

and will probably be the 4th CB. They like him alot. Jenkins will be the fifth CB this year.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be a bad sign

A 1st round pick can’t make our top 4 CB’s? No way does Ball move ahead of Jenkins. Hopefully Jenkins will be pushing Henry for playing time. That should be the goal anyway.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your expecting too much from a rookie

It doesn’t matter if he was a first rounder or not. It’s not like he was drafted in the top 5. There is no pressure for him to come in and play this season. Ball is experienced and will get the nod over Jenkins this year.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 29, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ball is experienced?????

How do you figure? Because he was on the roster for a season? There is a reason Ball was drafted in the 7th round and Jenkins was drafted in the 1st round. It’s called talent. Your theory that somehow a 7th round player magically becomes better than a 1st round talent because he spent a year on the bench is so flawed, I don’t know where to start.

By the way, Jenkins was ranked #2 in the draft, I can only imagine where Ball was ranked when he was drafted.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boyzfan94 = Cowboys81 ??????????

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I was thinking

We know it’s you Cowboys81, your defense of Alan Ball gives you away.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will prove it,

Quick, Newman elite or not?

by Romo9 on Apr 29, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.....it's Cowboys81 in drag

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 30, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried....lol

I’m the new toned down version of Cowboys81..

I guess my strong opinions on certain players gave me away. darn it!! lol

I couldn’t get my old name back. Better off anyway, because I’m a huge Demarcus Ware fan and he will be here alot longer than TO will so the name change is fine with me.

Newman elite or not?

He is the 5th or 6th CB in the league. I’ll leave it at that…lol

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 30, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 30, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw....thought you were a proponent of dumping Austin..I recall you saying so...now your a fan ??

sorry guy…..I see being LUCKY if he makes it as our 6th WR…..June 1 cuts, other teams training camp cuts…etc…..He BARELY made it last year…came down to final cuts..and he was #53..I’m sure…..this year..not so lucky….HE will NOT be our KR this year….

Scandrick
Jenkins
A Jones
F Jones

are all faster and more elusive and bring more to the special teams….We might only carry 5 WR…who knows…....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 30, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm. no try again buddy...

I never was a proponent of dumping Austin. I’ve been more right than wrong when it has come to the personnel on this team. I’ve preached that Carpenter would not be not cut and he hasn’t and I’ll be right about Austin.

He didn’t just barely make it last year. Get your facts straight..lol

by Boyzfan94 on May 1, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao.....geez..pat yourself on the back...

Really difficult to project your 2006 1st round draft pick from being cut or traded, YET…... knowing the cap ramafications are the only thing keeping that clown on the team…..YET your also on record for us letting Newman go in free agency after the season….pick your poison guy….

Miles Austin will be the 53rd player on our squad…if at all….count on it…lol

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 1, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2.1 mil in 2008 sure is alot..lol

Me thinks not.

That’s not the reason why Carpenter is still here and you know it. If Jerry really wanted to get rid of Carpenter and thought he couldn’t help the team he would’ve been the one shipped to Miami, not Ayodele.

He clearly has the tools to be a good LB. Parcells juggled him around his rookie year and never had a chance to settle into one position. Last season was his second season and finally was able to learn one position the whole season. He will now get to show case his talents very soon it appears. With Burnett in his last season and Zachs health always a concern Carpenter could be the starting ILB in 2009.

Boyz, aren’t you the one who backed me and said Newman should be franchised or allowed to test the FA market.

Are you changing your stance now?.

You can’t have it both ways now slick!!

by Boyzfan94 on May 2, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nobody has ever questioned Carp's talent

or tools to play LB, its his heart and toughness that is being questioned as I personally feel those are the reasons he hasn’t seen the field that much.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 2, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy it

I don’t buy that. He has never had a true chance to shine, only in spot duty. I watched the kid all through college at OSU and he has plenty of toughness. I really hope he get’s his shot. If he does and fails he will have no excuses, but until then I can’t see how anyone can question his abilities. This will be his 3rd season, 2nd really at the same position. Maybe now with some stability he can progress into a starting role.

by Boyzfan94 on May 2, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's had plenty of opportunities in practice

and in preseason games. There is a big difference between being tough in the Big 10 compared to the NFL. Some guys simply can’t make the transition and it looks as though he’s one of them.

He really should have been traded to a 4-3 team because his best position is a 4-3 OLB, not a 3-4 ILB.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 2, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

practice!!

‘Were talking about practice!” funny Terry. Had nothing to do with it.

He had a bad couple of games at OLB that preseason. That was 2 seasons ago. Preseason, not games. Huge difference. He had a great playoff game against Seattle playing OLB. That was the extent of him starting. Whenver he has had the opportuntiy he has done well. No one can say otherwise.

Good LB’s don’t grow over night. It takes time. His work ethic in practice has never been a question. He simply was caught up in a numbers game and no stability. Once he was moved from OLB to ILB he wasn’t going to start over incumbents Ayodele and Burnett. He had to wait and now it’s time.

by Boyzfan94 on May 2, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got news for you

If any reserve is going to step in at ILB anytime soon its going to be Burrnett, not Carpenter.

Laugh all you want about practice, but its the route Romo took to get on the field just like every other reserve in this league. Its not Carp’s work ethic thats the problem, its his toughness and strength at the point of contact where Bobby has problems.

BTW, the great game he had in Seattle was from the OLB position, not as a ILB.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 2, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I hope Carp gets his chance this year (as long as it’s not due to a horrible rash of injuries), but there’s a reason he hasn’t been on the field consistently. I don’t think coaches are looking to bury a former 1st round pick.

by grapejoos on May 2, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burnett is not even going to be

on the team after the season.

BTW, the great game he had in Seattle was from the OLB position, not as a ILB

umm..That’s what I said???

He hasn’t had a chance at starting at ILB yet so for anyone to say anything at this point about his performance doesn’t have clue.

by Boyzfan94 on May 3, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah boyzfan

I’m sure the Cowboys coaches have no clue

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 3, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in the "franchise" Newman camp....for sure....

IF we sign Hamlin, MBIII, Canty, and cut Roy…....yeah…I’d franchise Newman…UNLESS he signs for CB friendly 7.5 million range and knocks down his cap hit…...IF he wants more than 8 million..I’d cut him outright…but from what i’m reading….Jerry isn’t about to let him go….IF Newman misses any games this year….see ya later….AND I certainly wouldn’t sign him to a new contract till after the season.

IF you think we are going to let Burnett go, and retain Carp in his place…..you might want to pass whatever your smokin’ over here. Burnett has, is, and will be better than Carp ever will be…..Personally..I see us making a trade for Chad Johnson once all the smoke clears, and Cincy realizes Chad is never going to play for them again…They did draft 3 wide outs to eleaviate the loss already…IF any of the new draftee’s show promise in camp….I can see Jerry packaging players and picks for Chad’s services…

.Here’s my proposal come this years trade deadline…..

Patrick Clayton-WR, Carpenter-LB, ‘09 1st rounder, ‘09 3rd rounder for Chad Johnson…..get it done Jerry..

Heck….This 6th round joker named Erik Waldan out of Mid Tenn St. has a chance to unseat Carp as our ILB project, they’ve already discussed moving him inside…..even though I doubt he’ll even make the team…...Carp will remain on this team THIS year, only out of pure neccessity only…I’m pissed he didn’t get packaged in that Miami trade…maybe….....come ‘09 draft trade, or June 1st cut next year…you can count him as good as gone if he doesn’t sniff the field and produce this year..,...which I doubt will happen, pending injury.

btw Ayodele’s contract was far much greater than Carp’s….hence the reason he was sent packin’....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 2, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Newman

On everything you said. He will be franchised or will have to take a cap friendly contract or be allowed to walk. I got the sense from Jerry’s comments they would like to keep him, but will not over pay. He covered himself in this draft and trading for Pacman. If Pacman stays the straight and narrow and both are draft picks develop into good CBs then Newman chances are very slim. He will have very little leverage when it comes time to talk numbers.

IF you think we are going to let Burnett go, and retain Carp in his place

Burnett is a UFA after the season and getting up there in age. He has a history of getting injured. Carpenter will still be under contract for 2 more seasons so this is a non issue. Carpenter is going to be here alot longer than Burnett bank on it and will start at some point for this team.

Ayodele’s contract was far much greater than Carp’s….hence the reason he was sent packin’….

Ayodele’s contract had nothing to do with it. His lack of production was in question after the end of last season. Wade and company went on record saying they were not happy with Ayodele. His cap number was not that big that we really needed to get rid of him. In the end they liked Carpenter’s upside more than Ayodele. Some blogs reports sited that Parcells wanted Carpenter but Jerry was unwilling to part with him. Makes sense since he was a Parcells pick and is close to his father.

by Boyzfan94 on May 3, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

geez....I liked you better as Cowboys81....

at least back then, at times you made sense…...lol

Burnett is a UFA after the season and getting up there in age. He has a history of getting injured.

ummmm…He was drafted 3 years ago ?? He was our second best ILB last season ?? He’s far better than Carpenter ??

Carpenter will still be under contract for 2 more seasons so this is a non issue
Are you high ??? A NON issue ? ...dude…IF this guy doesn’t produce and take over a good portion of snaps from Thomas, and actually produce when given the chance…IT’s going to be a HUGE issue…..He will be gone if he’s not a regular contributor
by the end of this season…..
Ayodele’s contract had nothing to do with it. His lack of production was in question after the end of last season

IF your being paid 3.5 million dollars to be productive, and your not….you get cut…...nuff said…IF he was making 1 million…I assure you..he’d be on this team.

His cap number was not that big that we really needed to get rid of him.

please refer to previous statement…..

Some blogs reports sited that Parcells wanted Carpenter but Jerry was unwilling to part with him.

LMAO…..new tag name….same ole unsubstantiated quotes and claims. SURE…..Tuna probably wanted him for a 6th round draft choice in next years draft…..till Jerry remembered….we already own that pick…..

I’ll just stop there….cuz you are crackin’ me up dude…..You think we are going to cut Newman and Burnett, MBIII, and Canty…..but we’re going to retain Austin and start him at KR, we’re going to start Carpenter cuz he has great “upside” ??.....LMFAO…and ..oh yeah….the best one of them all….Ball is going to be our starting 3rd CB over Jones, Jenkins, Scandrick, Butler, and Oglesby…cuz he’s got a year of riding the practice squad bench, and has lots of “upside”......

.......stop it…your killin’ me.

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on May 3, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ughhh.I'm done with you

on this subject Boyz. I think you fell off your rocking chair. You change your position on Newman like I change my underwear…lol

You absolutely make no sense at times. Go back to sleep my man…

by Boyzfan94 on May 3, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way boyz

we’re carrying at least 6 WRs, as you say, count on it.

Austin will easily make the team if TG can’t make it back and if he does, I still don’t see who will beat him out. The 6 WRs who make the cut this year will be as follows:

T.O.
TG
Crayton
Hurd
Stanback
Austin

I see F Jones and Austin as our KO returners this season, along with Jenkins if either guy gets injured.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 1, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Eatman

said today Austin is probably faster than anyone on the team when talking about our WR situation, even TO. He said because of his speed and return abilities he probably makes the team. A player that really showed the most improvement at the end of last season was WR Mike Jefferson. Nick said he will factor in the WR situation in camp. In practice he was continually blowing by Newman and Henry on pass plays. I don’t know alot on him, but apparently he is a ton of talent.

by Boyzfan94 on May 1, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at camp last year

Mike Jefferson showed a ton of potential and speed, consistently getting open. Only one problem, he had hands of stone. He couldn’t catch a thing. I was amazed by how many balls he dropped. If he’s gotten over the dropsies, he may be worth something.

by Dave Halprin on May 1, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK Grizz....IF Jefferson, or any of the UDFA brought into camp show any sort of potential, and the Cowboys wish to retain him/them....Which WR on our current roster do you honestly think he'll replace ?

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on May 1, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First if any of these UDFAs

makes the team they will not be on the active roster, I’ll bet the house on it. They will be placed on the PS.

Second, your dying for Grizz to say Austin…lol

Relax man, I don’t know why you have such a bad taste in your mouth about Austin, but we will find out soon enough when training camp roles along.

I’ll tell you one thing. Were talking about Austin, but TG could be the one that get’s cut if he can’t make it back healthy.

by Boyzfan94 on May 2, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree....6 will probably be the # of WR's....

But I assure you every invited and signed UFA WR will be gunning for that #6 spot…and it’s Austin’s to fend off…..all others are safe….

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 2, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 2, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Robertson has a better chance

to make the team than Walden.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 28, 2008 10:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently Tom and Jerry don't

or else they would have drafted him instead

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree Terry

Walden probably has to go on PS. Robertson is a much better player. He might beat Rogers out for his spot.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that is why we spent a 6th round pick on him

and no one including us bothered to even draft Robertson. Don’t you think we would have drafted Robertson if he was a better player considering they play the same position? Sorry I don’t see Robertson beating out Walden. I trust our scouts know what they are doing.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter that they spent a 6th on Walden

Dallas liked them both. They might have felt that for whatever reason, Robertson had a better chance of going undrafted. Where they get their pick doesn’t always line up with how they have them on their talent board. Especially near the end of the draft.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think so

that is some pretty abstract logic. They play the play the same position and we used a draft pick on one of them. Occam’s Razor says the simplest answer is usually the right one. The simplest answer would be we liked Walden better.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not true because Robertson was coming off an injury

and didn’t work out before the combine.

You want to talk about logic, using yours then obviously Ryan Leaf becomes a star and Romo never makes the NFL. 2nd overall pick versus UFA rookie, pretty simple answer, right?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that happens like once in a blue moon

Jerry and the scouts obviously thought Walden was a better prospect that is why they drafted him. I will defer to them thank you very much.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't know that to be true

its like Deke said, they drafted him because they thought other teams would be interested in him more than Robertson.

Dude, almost every single scouting service had rated Robertson as a better prospect than Walden and I’ll bet the Cowboys scouts did as well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and a lot of scouting services didn't know who in the

Sam Heck Pat McQuistan was. Heck ESPN didn’t know who Pat McQuistan was when we drafted him. Those scouting services don’t get the funding that the Dallas Cowboys organization does. I wouldn’t put too much faith in them.

We drafted Walden over Robertson, and I’ll put my money on it that the Cowboys did that because they just plain and simple liked him better.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree with quincyyy on this one.....

He BETTER make the 47 man roster….cuz they sure past on “alot” of prospects I KNOW would have made the roster….Waldan is going to be a situational pass rusher…..maybe they know more than everyone else…He supposedly has coverage skills and can convery to LB…......someone tipped them off to this kid….cuz he sure wasn’t on my radar and i looked under ever rock, shook every bush….I had read one story about him a month or so ago….but had him WAY down…and OFF my draftable players…..

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by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It amuses me how people can get so worked up over late round picks.

Our roster right now is pretty stacked, and the odds of anyone from the late rounds making the 47 man roster is pretty slim. It made sense then to pick a high-upside prospect, even if he’s going to be on the practice squad most of the year.

There’s only one player I can think of who would have had any real chance to make the game day roster out of the 6th round, and that’s Andre Woodson. To say that we should have picked Robertson or whoever over Walden misses the point entirely. It doesn’t matter if the late round pick won’t contribute this year if he’s a high-upside prospect who can contribute in subsequent years. For example, I’m not sure anyone here is upset that we drafted Stanback, even though he didn’t do a thing last year.

by cstorm15 on Apr 30, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Though, believe it or not, several people on here are (or were) very upset about drafting Stanback and keeping him on the roster.

In the later rounds, you draft for big upside, because realizing that potential is the only way these guys are going to make it. So, you find guys with upside…maybe they have unnatural physical talents or unnatural football intelligence, or maybe they’re good players who slid because of injury (ala Canty) or character problems (probably some good examples here, though I’m blanking).

That’s especially true for a team like ours where there are very few roster spots up for grabs. If the Cowboys liked Walden enough to pick him, even though he was projected to go undrafted, they must have been seriously impressed by something they saw. I also think this pick is a bit of a result of the Giants’ success: all things equal, draft a guy that can rush the passer.

by grapejoos on May 1, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know where you might find a gem

And in the later rounds, you are going to get them cheaply. See Ratliff, Crayton, Folk, Cricket, Romo (he was cheap and undrafted, now he’s the franchise QB)

Every pick counts.

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by APerfectStar on May 2, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that was the point

When you’re looking for gems, you gotta throw away a lot of rocks. I think it’s a little different for kickers, punters, FBs, etc., but for guys at the premium positions, you’re making boom or bust picks.

The selections are valuable, because they give you a chance to take those gambles, but I personally don’t think it’s fair to slam a late round pick for being a gamble.

by grapejoos on May 2, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not fair

But I’m going to do it anyway. Walden was a huge reach at a position of depth, unless they have a specific plan for him that we don’t know about. I don’t see how he helps the team sooner than a Corey Lynch, Athyba Rubin, Peyton Hillis, or some other highly rated players still available. I’m not slamming the player, just the pick. I hope he turns out to be a gem, but I just don’t get that pick.

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by APerfectStar on May 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my point is this

It doesn’t matter whether our sixth round pick was at a position or depth, or whether other players might help sooner, which I doubt is the case. The roster is at the point where late round picks probably won’t get the opportunity to contribute, even if they were ready.

You mention Corey Lynch as an example. He’s a strong prospect, but he wouldn’t have helped the team this year anyways. We already have three free safeties. And its like that at nearly every position. It’s the “curse” of having a deep roster: we don’t need to draft for immediate need in the late rounds. We can take the player we think has the best raw skills or the highest upside.

This is why Walden makes some sense. We can keep him on the practice squad this year, and he’s got enough upside to be part of the rotation next year. He’s not going to much for the team this year anyways, but our scouts liked his upside so much that they wanted to make sure we missed out.

And frankly, when you’re talking about these boom or bust picks, it’s hard for fans to know whether the scouts were right. Combine numbers and youtube videos don’t tell the whole story. Now I have no problem criticizing or praising these early round picks because (a) we know alot more about these players and (b) we actually are drafting for need because first and second round picks are expected to contribute this year. But arguing over late round picks is really a waste of time.

Of course, arguing about late round picks on this website will make Grizz happy, so feel free to help keep his site active.

by cstorm15 on May 2, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what your saying

Take a chance on a sleeper who can probably stick on the PS while developing without being plucked by another team.

But, I like the BP theory of churning the bottom of the roster. Take a higher rated pick, let him compete for a position where there is room for improvement. If he beats out a guy at the bottom of the roster, that makes Dallas a better team. It’s the better caliber of competition that makes for a stronger overall team. Plus, it’s hard to keep anyone with talent hidden on your PS nowadays. Just ask Jerry about Matt Moore.

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by APerfectStar on May 2, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why a FB, NT, OG, SS should have been that player.....

Those are the only depth positions available to be taken…..not to say OLB is loaded, and a depth position isn’t up for grabs…....but it rates below those 4 positions

I know there were prospects at FB available that are as good or better than Cruz. Hillis-Arkansas

I know there were prospects at OG available that are as good or better than Proctor or Berger. Shwartz-Oregon

I know there were better prospects at NT available that are as good or better than Remi Ayodele. Rubin-Iowa

I know there were prospects at SS available that are as good or better than…...ummm…..WE don’t even have a SS backup…...geez….D Barber-Minn, C Cambell-Army, Josh friggin’ Barrett-Arizona St.. in the 7th…for pete’s sake…..can someone come in and compete with a worthless Roy Williams ?.....With nobody to push him…where’s the motivation ?

I don’t see “saved” Roy pushin’ nuttin but scriptures nowadays.

note: these are players just off the top of my head…...BUT if i looked into it…I can find 100 players better than Erik Walden with more upside and fitting into a position in need of depth upgrade…...

We could’ve taken a QB at least….then I wouldn’t mind if he didn’t make it….but a kid like Paul Smith, Flynn, someone…..but knwing how stacked we are for the next 4-5 years….ya think Rich Bartel would get some form of competition…...Brad Johnson should be gone….I’ll take any other QB in the league that gets cut to solidify our back up QB spot over that rag armed has been. Keep an eye out for Charly Batch…a TB QB cut…..heck..I’d trade a 3rd rounder to Buffalo right now for JP Losman…

or offer a bag of weed and some munchies to Jake Plummer to wake up and smell the money….

I really will never understand that pick of Walden…I hope he’s the next Justin Tuck, I liked stride, strength, and long arms…but that’s all we know….....but right now..I don’t see it…

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on May 2, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....IF they only went on line to find obscure prospects..we'd have this guy right now....

I’ll be the first to admit..I knw NOTHING about this Walden character…BUT I will tell you I have most definately checked in on over 400 draft eligible prospects I felt could help the Cowboys….and if they were looking for late round LB help…all they had to do was go on You Tube to find a guy..I KNOW Andy Studebaker LB/DE of Wheaton College is already better than this Walden dude..and was picked about 30 spots later in the draft…and Will be a name we’ll all be hearing from years to come…..I see Walden going right to the practice squad…or releases all together.

Philly knows how to find pass rushers:
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/30/youtube-helped-new-philadelphia-eagles-linebacker-andy-studebake/

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 2, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually it's more than that, Q...

Kurt Warner & David Garrard & Tony Romo & Tom Brady (non first rounders) > than the following First Round QBs: Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer, Dan McGwire, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, Akili Smith

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what happened to jay ratliff

Dallas thought that they could sign him as an UFA, but found out 13 teams had inquired about him, one being the Giants who were going to sign him after the draft, dallas decided they couldn’t take that chance and drafted him.

When it comes to the late rounds, sometimes you draft a player that you dont think will make it to UFA, ensuring to get him..

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walden wasn't even on the radar when we drafted him

but everyone has Robertson at the top of the UFA list. Obviously he was a hot late round prospect. And there was probably a big risk of someone taking a seventh round flier on him. I just think ya’lls logic is more complicated than it needs to be.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense if you think about it

You like two players, you get a tip from some source who tells you team so-and-so is going to take this player in the 7th. As far as you know the other player could make it through undrafted. If you want both guys, you take the guy who will be chosen with your 6th and hope the other guy makes it through so you can sign him as a FA.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh dangit I hate hate hate this part of the season

I can’t wait to test our revamped secondary against Cleveland’s revamped receiving corps.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I forgot how long of wait it is.

Bourn to Run!

by jsams on Apr 28, 2008 10:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he has one good year left in him

He didn’t seem to do too bad in the playoff game, relatively speaking of course. A full off season of strength training, I think he could be a good #2 receiver for us. He may not be the T.G. of old but I think he is good for 800 yards or so.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

There’s much more here than anything we would have gotten in the draft. Equally, I’m stoked to see Stanback

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 28, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanback and Scandrick are my pets this year

I can’t wait for the start of training camp

Tar Heels football will surprise this year

by DalaiLuke on Apr 28, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The arguments above about keeping 6 receivers

because of Terry Glenn don’t wash with me. Glenn either is all the way back by cut-down date or he does not make the cut. Nobody else is going to sign him during the season after missing all of last year. So we will know in training camp or even sooner and will not need contingency plans around Terry.

Of course I hope he gets all the way back. Bur I remember Coach Parcells saying more than once “you can’t stop progress”. So Glenn’s path seems pretty clear to me. Prove himself soon or retire.

by lee3022 on Apr 29, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing lee

that he could be a training camp cut if not healthy.

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 30, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta give you props quincyyyyy

One day after the draft and you’re posting a 53-man roster and a practice squad. It’s proof that we Cowboys fans are truly nutz!

by Dave Halprin on Apr 28, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha thanks

I’m a die hard Cowboys fan. Especially now that the Mavs suck so much and I really have no other team to root for.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

I like this quincyyyyy.

Although, I’m sure tomorrow I won’t. Ugh, the offseason.

My popcorn's ready!

by CowboyBawler4 on Apr 28, 2008 10:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

impressive...

i like your ideas so far, but theres way too many unforseen factors that go into the 53 man roster to accurately predict it now…

by ender0887 on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love McBriar's Nickname

“The Terror from Down Under.”

Classic!

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roster Thoughts

Good stuff.

I hope Dallas explores the option of moving Rat to defensive end and gets another guy to rotate with Tank at NT -I don’t think the second NT is on the roster right now. Rat would appear to have a bigger pass rushing upside than Spears, and it gives us some coverage if both Canty and Spears depart after 2008 for free agency.

Kosier may be a surprise training camp cut if one or more of the young guys developes as planned. Or he could be traded to Miami for a conditional 7th round pick

If Adam Jones is indeed reinstated for training camp, the Henry-to-safety move may happen earlier that anticipated. When available, Jones is a huge upgrade over Henry and he will be the starter opposite Newman. If Jenkins shows promise, he could be the third CB with Henry available to move back from safety of needed.

I hope Spencer makes huge strides and challenges Ellis for the starting position.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Louie, explain to me

how Henry can be moved to FS when Hamlin plays that position and don’t say that he’ll be moved to SS because we all know that won’t happen this year. Roy will get one more shot to prove his worth.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is how

Hamlin can play both safety positions very well, and I am of the opinion that the strong safety position as it has been historically defined is a dinosaur. I would rather have two free safeties than a strong safety that cannot cover. But I disagree with your certainty that Hamlin will not be moved to strong safety. Look, it is possible that Roy will continue to decline. And it won’t take much more decline for him to be benched. Yes, he will get one more shot to prove his worth, but the current coaching staff has already show both a lack of confidence in him and a willingness to take him off the field on passing downs. I suspect he is on a short leash, and It is certainly not out of the realm of possibilities that he loses his starting position completely. The above may play out in the preseason or over the course of the regular season. Or maybe it won’t. But it is all predicated on Adam Jones being reinstated, and that is a major assumption at this point.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Roy would have to really

look absolutely terrible for the coaches to even consider benching him. I think they’ll take him off the field more in obvious passing downs, but I’d really be shocked to see him benched completely.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll see early on in training camp

If Roy comes to training camp in shape and committed, then it will be hard for someone currently on the roster to beat him out. l think that if he recommits, he can re-emerge as a solid starter, a quality player on a very solid defense. However, if he comes to training camp out-of-shape, he could take up residence in the doghouse real quick only to find out too late that someone else has made the most of his opportunity. I think the deal with Roy is that while he clearly still is the starter, he has lost the status of being viewed as a solid, entrenched starter and perhaps has moved more into the arena of where the coaching staff is thinking ‘hmmm, is there a way to upgrade this position?’

In short, it may not be so much his play that leads to his downfall, but his attitude and commitment.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice avatar Louie

Me likey!

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by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

co-sign

va-va-voom, baby!!!

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by silverblue5 on Apr 29, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm done with Roy

I Haven’t been a fan of his for almost four years now, one of the first to jump off that bandwagon, and many are starting to follow in droves. thought he was a highly overrated one dimensional player, a player that plays in the wrong era, for every big hit, most of which accomplished nothing, there were numerous glaring mistakes made in coverage.

I hope Campo can get him better focused, positioned and that he shows up alot lighter than his 235lb playing weight, but I for one want him out of here, its time to move on, the quicker the better. You cant base and scheme your defense around the limited abilities of one Roy Williams, our defense has to surround Demarcus Ware, and his abilities, an absolute monster.

I’ve said Henry with Hamlin at strong safety would be a great tandum, and when questions were asked about Henry being moved to free safety over the weekend, Wade and jerry didn’t shoot that down…... I think there’s a small chance, although a remote chance that Roy Wiliams could be cut after June 1st

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really if he is a post June first cut

then we could spread it out over the ‘08 and ‘09 seasons.

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could then spread his pro-rated salary out

but like I mention, I think its a remote possibility at best…

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think almost all of these presumed moves are being presumed at least a year early

I really don’t get the desire to move Ratliff to DE when he’s such a monster at NT. Do I think he’d be a good DE – yes. Better than Spears? Yes. . .what I don’t think is that whomever would replace him in the NT rotation would be as good as Spears. You have to get your best guys on the field. . .Spears, while not dynamic, is not a bad guy to have on the field. Sure, he doesn’t show up in the same way that Canty does or that we wanted him to show up – but he’s a stout run stopper, occupies bodies so that Greg Ellis can line up one on one and he’s durable.

As for Kosier – he’s affordable enough that we wouldn’t cut him even if he isn’t the starter. Why get rid of a proven vet if he could be your back up OG for both sides. That being said – my bet is that he is still the starter unless someone is signed between now and training camp.

Henry to Safety makes us thin at CB in my opinion. Adam Jones isn’t a reliable player yet. . .first, as Terry loves to point out – he’s uninstated. But even when reinstated, he’s been away from the game for more than a year. Who here thinks that he won’t have any rust? Mike Jenkins? Great pick . . . ready to be an every down player? Not yet. Henry has at least another year at CB. Besides, moving him to Safety (while I think he’d be a great FS) would over-crowd that position this year. RW and Hamlin are the starters. Henry then becomes a bench warmer. You have to get the best players on the field!

As for Spencer pressing Ellis. . .I think we’ll see many situations that will have Ware, Spencer and Ellis all three on the field at the same time. Spencer and Ellis outside and then Ware coming up the gut. . .if you think he gets there fast from the outside, imagine if you shortened the distance to the QB and brought him for the inside. What the Giants did last year with their three pass rushers.

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by JerrodWheeler on Apr 29, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best players on the field

Yep, you have to get your best players on the field. I was raising the possibility that the current starters of Henry-Hamlin-Williams may not be as good as Jones-Henry-Hamlin. I also raised the possibility that a starting d-line of Rat-Tank-Canty may be better than Spears-Rat-Canty.

Another possibility is that Rat plays both NT and DE and we have a deep defensive line rotation that would allow him to play NT on some running plays and DE on some passing downs.

One advantage of moving Henry and Rat is that they would become excellent backup options at their former positions if injuries occur, so we may not be left as thin as it would initially appear.

But, this is all April speculation. There are likely several, even five or so guys who we are not even seeing that will make this roster.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good reasoning

however, Jerry Jones said our two 1st round picks have to play this year. That puts Jenkins on the field. My concern with Jenkins is that he believed he would be drafted early to a club that needed him to start. He was clearly disappointed to be drafted by Dallas. He will need a substantive role this year to justify his salary and his growth.

Do I think someone will be moved? It could happen and maybe not. More likely the first few games will be Henry at Rt CB and Jenkins coming in moving Newman back to the slot on 3 WR formations. Adam will likely start as a sub for one of those positions and punt returner. So long as Henry is healthy he has been a very productive CB, Staying healthy is the problem and if he is hurt he might not get his starting position back.

by lee3022 on Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If April is what is causing all this speculation. . .I need me some more April

because I’m going to venture a guess that you know some form of alcoholic beverage that has April on the label.

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on Apr 29, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok Walden has become my new pet cat

I want him to prove everyone wrong

by quincyyyyy on Apr 29, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shocker

LOL

I hope you’re right, because I just want what is best for the Boys.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks pretty nice for an april roster

but I think you’re reaching for the nickname FeJo. Lets just stick w/ what he was called in college, Jet or Cat… Jet sounds cooler.

by Romo9 on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

recommendation?

maybe this post is finally fizzling out, but for popular ones like this, can we hit the ‘recommend’ button to get it bumped to the top? 90+ comments is pretty good discussion…

by Scoobay on Apr 30, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good point scoobay

if you guys see a fanpost you really like or want to move up for more discussion. hit the rec button at the bottom of the text of the fan post. if it gets a few recs (i think 4 or 5) it moves up.

by Dave Halprin on Apr 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wondered what rec indicated

I think this is a good thread too, lots of good debating, I clicked the recommend button.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Apr 30, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good start, with some adjectments:

DROP: QB Gruden cuts, WR Terry Glenn (retire?), CB Alan Ball
ADD: QB Richard Bartel, TE Rodney Hannah, DE Marcus Smith

Bartel, Hannah, and Smith will show too much to escape being claimed before making the Cowboys practice squad again.

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by barrypopik on May 1, 2008 2:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree...except RB's!!

ADD: Coleman over Choice..let Choice spend a Yr on PSquad…if not, Coleman’s gonna show too much as well & will be claimed by another team b4 he did PSquad another year

You just watch… If they ive Coleman the Opportunity to Show what he’s got, he’s gonna shock the world…

by CowboyzFan on May 6, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got news for you

Choice will make the team unless he gets seriously injured, then he’ll be put on IR. Bottom line, he’ll never go on the practice squad as another team would snatch him up in a heartbeat.

Sorry guy but your buddy Coleman will be the odd man out.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 6, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh ??? . geez guy....Choice to PS....c'mon now....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 7, 2008 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good start, with some adjustments.

“Adjectments”? I’ve got a new kid (no sleep) and have gotta preview more. Sorry.

Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com

by barrypopik on May 1, 2008 2:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roberson

I will bet that Roberson at least makes the practice squad. I watched him play at GT. He could be a good player in our system. I bet he beats out bowen next year.

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on May 1, 2008 6:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction

I guess he only weighs 250 lbs. Better suited for OLB. See ya Justin Rodgers!!!!

How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!!

by emmitt22 on May 1, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I'm sayin'

The guy was rated to go in between the 3rd to 5th rounds, he looks like a stud on the youtube clips I’ve seen. Unless he turns out to be another Kai Parham (highly rated, skills didn’t translate well to the NFL) I think he makes the roster.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 2, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I truely hope Carpenter makes his move this year.....

He has 34 year old Zack Thomas standing in his way of starting or seeing quality playing time this year…..THIS IS his final chance to show something….

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=AC067EA7-BB86-45B6-04D56F653F8BD13F

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 2, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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