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Talking Pacman Jones; Tony Romo in Vegas

With the draft dominating my time here lately, I haven’t really talked about Pacman Jones and his coming to Dallas. For some of you, that’s probably a good thing. But I just can’t ignore it any longer so let’s discuss. On the field, supposing he actually gets there, the Cowboys have brought in a player who is worth much more than the 4th-round pick we gave up this year, and the 6th next. In my estimation Pacman is one of the top CB’s in the league and it all depends on what kind of shape he’s in when he finally arrives as to where and how much he’ll play. Given that the Cowboys traded for him and drafted two other CB’s I think it’s a given that they are looking to replace Anthony Henry or at least move him to reserve status. Another possibility is moving him to safety which the Cowboys brain-trust didn’t exactly rule out in their post-draft press conference. At minimum, if Pacman is any kind of shape he’ll open the season as the nickel CB. If the Cowboys can somehow get the commish to let him workout at Valley Ranch pre-training camp, it’s possible he could open the season as the starter. My best guess though is that he will be the nickel to open the season then eventually slide into the starter role opposite Newman. When I graded the draft I didn’t include Pacman as part of it, but if you do that certainly makes this draft that much better. Of course the big question is whether he will be re-instated and when. The commish didn’t sound at all like it was a sure thing and he is taking into account the recent revelations about the “extortion” money paid by Pacman and said he didn’t know about that previous to the recent news stories. So things are looking very dicey in that respect.

Now that the trade has been finalized and the league has signed off on the contract, the ball falls into the Cowboys court to start the reinstatement process.

[Manny] Arora said he and [Pacman] Jones will meet with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones in the near future to develop a strategy for the player to seek reinstatement from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and perhaps attempt to modify the current terms so that he can work out and interact with his new teammates at the Cowboys' Valley Ranch complex. Arora said he anticipates the Cowboys taking the lead role in that process.

Jerry has a lot of pull in the NFL as one of the most influential owners and he’ll have to put a lot of his credibility on the line with the commish to even try to make this happen. Getting Pacman into Valley Ranch as soon as possible could have a lot to do with how much Pacman plays this year. It could be the difference between starting or playing a reserve role and being utilized as a punt returner.

The good news from my standpoint is that the Cowboys have a new contract with Pacman that is heavy on non-guaranteed money and incentives to keep him on the straight and narrow.

The contract between the Cowboys and Jones includes no signing bonus or other guaranteed money. While the Cowboys and Arora have declined to reveal specific components of the contract, a source told ESPN that the agreement is incentive-based with roster bonuses that financially encourage Jones to refrain from the behavior that has resulted in six arrests. The source also said Jones will have to play at least three seasons in Dallas before he has an opportunity to become one of the top-paid corners in the league.

We’ll all be keeping and eye on this situation through the rest of the offseason. Here’s another article about Pacman coming to Dallas.

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I usually don’t go for all the TMZ-style reporting over Tony Romo and his relationship with Jessica Simpson. What he does in his personal life isn’t that interesting to me. But this story is so outlandish I had to post it. It has a lot of fun details about Tony Romo and his recent weekend in Vegas that includes tidbits about other Cowboys. The crazy part though is the report that he lost $2.5 million dollars gambling over the weekend and that Jessica is very upset. I don’t believe that for a minute. I know he just signed a big contract but come on, $2.5 million? Hogwash. So I don’t believe it at all but thought you guys might like reading the article just for kicks.

Hat tip to Deadspin for the link.

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Here’s the story about the Eagles suing T.O. for some cash.

Having withdrawal from mock drafts? Don’t worry, here are a couple for 2009!

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31. Cowboys -- Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State -- Receivers Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn are getting old.

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31. Dallas Cowboys -- Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU

Wide receiver is the one area Dallas did not address during an otherwise promising 2008 draft. Byrd has a lot to prove as a senior but he certainly has the blend of size and deep speed it takes to emerge as a first-round draft pick.

The debate over Felix Jones and Rashard Mendenhall continues to dominate discussions about the Cowboys draft, in the media in general and on this blog. Here’s another.

 

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It would be nice to see Romo

broom Simpson’s ass before training camp starts, he can pick up with another starlet after he’s holding up the Lombardi Trophy in Feb.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

From the DCfanatic blog

http://www.dcfanatic.com/

There’s a video were the reporter mentions to Norm Hitzges there was a party at a topless club in Atlanta last friday night before the draft that Pac-rat attended, I dont know what source this reporter is getting this from, I haven’t read or heard anything about this, but if this is true, Goodell wont be happy. This cant be true, can it!!! Is this guy that stupid to go to a topless club with all thats going on…...

by Deke on Apr 29, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

of course he's that stupid

thats what I’ve been preaching for the last several weeks, as the Pepsi Max commerical says, “wake up people!”

Pacman will never get reinstated, Goodell will make sure of that.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No disagreement on how stupid he is

But I still think he’ll be reinstated and play well. Unfortunately at this point people will (understandably) believe anything anyone says about him, so it’s hard to sort out the real info from rumors.

by grapejoos on Apr 29, 2008 6:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

He’ll be reinstated.

by dunkman on Apr 29, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

$2.5M? No Way

I grew up in a small Wisconsin town about 55 miles from Burlington, WI where Romo grew up. We’re pretty conservative folks up here, and generally smart (some may say tight) with our money. Romo wasn’t fed with a silver spoon and was never the Division I can’t-miss guy that was told from Day One that he was The Man. After flying way under the radar in college, he sat for 3.5 years in the NFL, maturing, and never certain that he would hit the big payday. To all of a sudden become irresponsible with his money while in his mid-twenties (way more mature than a 21 or 22 year old) just doesn’t add up.

But I’m with you Grizz: his personal life just doesn’t interest me unless I think it is adversly affecting his performance on the field or the team chemistry.

by Cowboy Louie on Apr 29, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I agree Louie

the guy was still driving his Ford Escape from his rookie year last season, no way he blows that kind of money gambling. At worse, it was probably his appearance fee of $15,000 that he looked at as free money.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I could see that

It takes some work to lose $2.5 million in Vegas. I don’t think I believe it, though I am curious to see if this offseason is going to leave any cobwebs come training camp. Garrett is gonna take the training wheels off the playbook with all of these new toys so Tony needs to be ready. I have no reason to doubt him, but stranger things have happened.

by grapejoos on Apr 29, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that statement makes no sense to me

Romo isn’t doing anything different than he did last off season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 29, 2008 9:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I dunno

I haven’t even been looking, but I didn’t see a lot of tabloid photos of him completely wasted with his star girlfriend last offseason. Maybe they were out there. I have faith in the guy until he shows he’s not worthy of it, so I’m optimistic for now.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

there were plenty of pictures of Romo and Underwood

last year in the tabloids partying. During the off season, we should care less what he’s doing so long as he keeps his nose cleans which he always does.

Romo is the last guy on this team you should have any worries about.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fair enough

I am looking forward to Romo reassuring me on the field. Hell, I am looking forward to anything happening on the field.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

c'mon Louie.....what's with growing up in small rural Wisc...have to do with anything...

I doubt highly anyone in Wisc has over 30 million in their bank account…..

Tony’s a very competitive guy, and once you get losing, there’s no walking away without trying to gain that money back…no matter what the losses are…I’m a long time sports gambler that had no quams at all about droppin’ 5K on 1 game, even whren I was already down 2-3K…..cuz I couldn’t fathom walking away owing 5K…..Lucky for me…I’m damn good at picking games and never took such a hit…...But I don’t have 30 Million in my bank account…......Charles Barkley, Dennis Rodman, Matt Damon, Ben Aflack, etc.., and other rich athletes and celebrities often, more often than you can imagine drop a million or more on a consistant bases…...Barkley has admitted to losing over 600,000 on this past SuperBowl alone and has said he’s lost over 30 million in Vegas over the years…...So…..that being said….The reason that leach of a has been starlet (Jessica Simpson) is upset is cuz Tony’s blowing all of her retirement money…...The nerve of her to turn down 25K to show up at some social event….She ain’t worth the gum on the bottom of my shoe….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Apr 29, 2008 6:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

DC Fan

That is what I noticed. We will have something for Moss.. Welker vs Newman and Moss vs. Pac-Man we will be fine. Who will guard TO and Witten?

The more I think about the more I like Tashard Choice pick..Not because we may not sign Barber, but the fact is RB’s get hurt. We don’t want to be left with just one back we can trust if M. Barber were to get nicked. Look at the Saints once Deuce went. Every RB you would consider a top 5 RB missed time last year. LT, Larry Johnson, Stephen Jackson, Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson, Willie Parker.. We almost have to expect Barber to get dinged.

I hate thinking like that, but it happens.

by Wmillion on Apr 29, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I don't like Pacman

but two things occur to me on the extortion thing. First, I don’t think it’s illegal to be extorted and pay. Second, it’s all part of the same incident that got him suspended. I don’t think that’s going to stand in his way. What will keep him from being reinstated is continued behavios (see above). Of course, it has to be true, which it may or may not be.

by dunkman on Apr 29, 2008 6:10 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

It's not illegal to be extorted

In fact, Pacman is the victim on the extortion story. But it does raise some questions, obviously. I don’t think it’s a big deal; if there were any proof that Pacman asked this guy to do horrible things and paid him for it, the media would be alllll over it. Right now it’s just Pacman’s word vs. the word of someone who is actually less credible than Pacman (quite an accomplishment). Frankly, it would be low even for Pacman.

Continuing to go to strip clubs is the kind of thing that could get him in trouble. But he’s at the point now where rumors about him are treated as true (like him hosting that party), so it’s hard to know what to believe.

by grapejoos on Apr 29, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The problem is not the extortion money per se

The problem Goodell had with it was that the Pacman camp did not make him aware of it. They held back information about one of the biggest incidents that got him suspended. It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up as they say in politics.

by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on Apr 29, 2008 11:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Grizz

He will be reinstated
theres no way Jerry would have taken such a risk if he didn’t reasonably think Adam had a chance to play this year!

I’m positive he’ll be reinstated
what he does from there is anyones guess!

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Apr 29, 2008 11:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I can't understand how you can say that

Jerry has taken a huge risk because he’s desparate for not only a SB, but a playoff win. I’ve come to conclusion he’d sell his soul to the devil if he had to.

I personally feel the chances of Pacman being reinstated are not good at all. I give it a 25% chance of happening.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 7:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think Jerry has even said as much

He even had some quote last year about how he sold his soul for the last 3 SBs, and he’s been trying to collect up enough since then to make another deal! No joke. Well, it was a joke, but he actually did say it.

25% is an improvement from “never,” even Terry is getting more optimistic!

I think he has a 90% chance of getting reinstated this season, but in terms of staying that way, well, it’s much lower.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

grapjoos, why are you so confident

Pacman will be reinstated because everything I’ve been hearing from Goodell indicate we shouldn’t be optimistic?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Goodell has to have a reason to keep him suspended

And I don’t think he has one, right now. I could be wrong, I don’t know the full story or what Pacman does on a day to day basis. With Pacman it’s always a day to day thing because he can always do something stupid, but based on what I know right now, I fully expect him to get reinstated.

Goodell is simply talking tough right now, and he wants to make Pacman keep his nose extra clean until that decision actually happens. Pacman is coming into what seems to be the best organization for getting guys back on track and keeping them out of trouble, and I think that and Pacman’s relatively law-abiding behavior since his suspension will nudge Goodell towards reinstatement.

So, big caveat: 90% based on what we know right now.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no Goodell doesn't have to have a reason

thats not true at all. Goodell can do whatever he wants within the terms of the collective bagaining agreement.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Please

Perhaps I overstated by saying he “has to” have a reason as if there is a rule requiring it (maybe there is, I haven’t read the agreement), but in practice he needs to have a reason. This is what I was railing about a month or so ago, with my rant about legitimacy and precedence.

What Goodell is doing with Pacman is setting a precedent. He’s said all along that Pacman can apply for reinstatement, and he’s talked about how he’s going to consider his case when the time comes. What else do you think that means? If, hypothetically, Pacman has done nothing wrong since his last punishment and is denied, what is the point of talking about reinstatement?

The way he handles Pacman’s case from here on (and Vick’s case, I think) is going to have a big impact on the Commissioner’s relationship with the players and the NFLPA. If Pacman gives him good reasons to keep the suspension going, that’s one thing, but refusing to reinstate him without subsequent bad conduct (or revelations of undisclosed prior bad conduct), after talking about reinstatement, is going to lead to a big sideshow and lawsuits between the NFLPA, Pacman, and the NFL (and, possibly, the Cowboys). Nobody wants that.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

there won't be any lawsuits

as long as Goodell doesn’t violate the collective bargaining agreement. Pacman or any NFL player is no different than any other employee in the country.

If your boss suspends you from your job and says I might consider reinstating you at a later date, but fails to do so, he is within his legal right to do so as long as there aren’t any union or employment contract violations.

Bottom line is that Goodell can do what he wants as long as he isn’t violating the collective bargaining agreement between NFL and NFLPA.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You might be right that any suit would fail

But that won’t keep them from being brought and bringing bad publicity. I’m not versed in employment law, but people bring employment discrimination suits all the time for all sorts of reasons. Few win, and I’m sure Pacman’s wouldn’t, but it would be irresistable copy to reporters. The NFL was also involved in a big lawsuit with Maurice Clarett a few years ago, though I don’t think that involved the same issues. They had a big suit with Al Davis in the past (definitely not the same). The point is that it’s happened before.

Frankly, you have your opinion on Pacman’s odds of reinstatement, and I have mine. I just don’t see how you can possibly think it’s so low. Every suspended NFL player that I know of and who isn’t in jail has been reinstated. Maybe not by the Ginger Hammer, but by someone (and Chris Henry is a prime example of a complete moron Goodell did reinstate). If Pacman ends up in jail, fine. Unless that happens, he’s most likely going to be reinstated, no matter how much Goodell puffs his chest.

by grapejoos on Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pacman could never sue

the NFL over employment discrimination because he’s not in a protected class and there isn’t govermental action involved.

No lawyer would bring such a frivilous lawsuit.

Bottom line is that Pacman is at the mercy of Goodell whether you believe that or not.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 1, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But wouldn't

the idea that he had been threatened into silence explain why he failed to reveal it? I guess it just doesn’t seem to be a serious omission to me.

by dunkman on Apr 30, 2008 5:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You know what's cool, Grizz

TO can totally go nuclear and with Pacman on the team, absolutely no one in the media will notice…

by dunkman on Apr 30, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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