Roy Williams summoned to the principal's office

by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on May 11, 2008 11:58 AM CDT in News

Mark me down as a guy who spoke too soon. Yesterday I posted that the "Greg Ellis comments on Roy Williams" story was played-out. Au contraire. Seems that partly based on those comments Roy Williams was summoned to the principal’s office. OK, so it wasn’t totally the Ellis comments that got Roy a meeting with coaches Brian Stewart and Brett Maxie. He also missed two teaching sessions last week while working on plans for his Mother’s Day charity program. Combine those two items together and some at Valley Ranch were starting to question his commitment to the Cowboys. When you throw in some points made by those inside and outside the organization that Roy’s problems on the field stem less from talent deficiencies and more from preparation deficiencies, you got a situation where the air needed to be cleared. As usual in situations like this, everything is hunky-dory, at least on the surface.

"The communication was not there last year," Williams said. "We recognized the problem, and we talked about it. And we're going to move forward now. We have a better understanding."

Did you expect to hear anything else? I didn’t.

Now, as I speculated earlier, Roy wasn’t keen on Ellis dragging his name into the conversation. He realizes that Greg was trying to defend him, but he believes, like I did, that it didn’t really help the situation and that if Roy wants to complain about things he can handle that on his own behalf.

"I appreciate what Greg did, but at the same time, I'm a grown man, too, and I can speak for myself," said Williams, who still considers Ellis a friend. "If I want to be heard, I will be heard."

That was my major issue with Greg’s comments. Let Roy speak for himself. Then again, maybe Roy shouldn’t speak at all if he’s going to say stuff like the following.

"I'm tired about worrying about the fans," Williams said. "The fans are only around when things are good. I want supporters. At the end of the day, we're human beings, too. Everything can't be perfect, and you can't let your emotions rule over you being a human being. It gets to a point where you are abusing who you really are as a fan."

Yikes. First, Roy has taken on the media and blamed them for writing poisonous things about his play, now he’s taking on the fans. That’s a sure-fire losing combination and Roy should be smarter than that.

Here’s the bottom-line though; just play like you did in the first couple of years in the league and all will be forgiven. We know that Roy is not a good cover-safety, but playing intimidating defense with big hits, turnovers and plays behind the line of scrimmage was a good trade-off. Last year, we didn’t see that. Only Roy’s run-support was decent from last year and while that’s important, we expect more from Roy Williams.

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My take..

Its good Roy wants to be religious and help everyone out but he has to remember what got him to be able to do that. It wasnt because hes been working a 9-5 job 50weeks a year. Its because he gets paid millions of dollars to play football which has a 4month long season. He needs to focus and play ball like he use to. I mean really he can continue to do all he wants with charities and whatever. He should just concentrate more on his primary job and play how the guy who signed that huge contract played if not better.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 11, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I am Riding with Roy on this One

The fans and media have been unmerciless with their attacks on Roy. Yes, Roy has been beat in coverage, but all in all he is good safety. There are a ton of safetys who get burnt in coverage,especailly strong safeties. I said it before, there aren’t 10 strong safeties better then Roy in the NFL.

I love the fact he is firing back, it shows he still has is competitor. Roy is working hard this off-season, I have seen that with my own 2. Trying new training techniques, losing weight.. Diznamm what more do you people want from this guy?

As bad as the fans and media have criticzed Roy, never once has he asked to be traded- I admire that…

Get’em Roy and Let the Haters hate..

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

yeah man...

roy has taken a lot of heat. he hasn’t been a bad player we just got spoiled but how good he USED to be. he has every right to be defensive…..regardless if the fans like it or not….

by Tuna Helper on May 11, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Spoiled?

Players are supposed to get better, not worse, at least for a good 5-7 years. His play has fallen off pretty drastically, and he is not playing up to his contract. I think our improved secondary will allow him to roam more this year, so I am looking forward to seeing an improvement in his play.

by ChrisRichey on May 11, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I'd LOVE it if he got defensive

OK. Tooo easy. I think Roy needs to separate the personal from the professional (as do many fans). His performance over the past three seasons has been the stuff offensive coordinator’s dreams are made of. He needs to pick it up. And yes, he’s still a really good person.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 11, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

training

Roy is in training to improve on his agility, by losing weight and new agility training. That should help him improve his cover skills.

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

i don't see why..

he doesn’t have a right to be a little defensive. i’m sure if he could figure out why he sucks so bad in coverage he would’ve done it. he’s trying to do it. it just isn’t happening for him. and to boot, he’s not making the gamechanging plays he used to make. and everybody is harping on it. i think it’s human to get defensive and take it personal.

i don’t feel betrayed as a fan. i root for the cowboys with all my heart but i’m not putting my body on the line, risking injury, dealing with the media, dealing with overzealous fans. i’m also not making millions of dollars to do that but i don’t think that gives me a right to say whatever i want and at the same time hold a football player to a different standard. i’ve said some wild and crazy things on this blog. if i said them to the guys face and he got mad about it i wouldn’t get offended. i’d think that’s a natural reaction.

i also think it’s worth pointing out that roy’s a good person because goddell castro and his apologists would have you think the league is being overrun with criminals. that it’s a big problem we need to crack down on. it’s not. they are a lot more players like roy williams, terrence newman, julius jones, demarcus ware in this league than pacman jones and chris henry. most guys do their jobs, go to work, go home, help their community, etc. roy should be applauded for that. regardless if he can’t cover a blind man with a limp in a phone booth.

guess my point is, i don’t have a problem with roy gettin’ testy about the fact fans are pissed that he can’t cover a rib with barbecue sauce. i’d rather he fix the problem then we wouldn’t have a problem. but he’s trying. it’s not working. and he’s being honest about the problem. that’s a start.

by Tuna Helper on May 12, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Yeah but you missed the whole point of my post

which was to make a pun using “defensive”. That hurts, TH.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 12, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

my bad, dunkman...

went off on a rant there…

by Tuna Helper on May 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

The thing is..

Roy deserves this criticism because he has gotten worse. Fine hes not the best coverage saftey but you know what hes not making the big hits anymore either. He use to atleast make big hits and get the defense fired up. He has defn lost his edge and needs to get it back or else this might be his last year

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 11, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Yeah, real smart move Roy!!!!

take shots at the fans now, boy some people just aren’t too bright…. your days in Dallas Roy are coming to an end..

by Deke on May 11, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Let's Hope

Except for the rare highlight reel hit, he’s been a huge liability the last three years. Every single opponent is tripping over themselves to get him into coverage. He’s holding back our ability to be a championship team.

Football Outsiders charts how opposing receivers do against each team. The Dallas defense was in the top ten for pass coverage overall, but was the fifth worst against tight ends. Guess who generally covers tight ends in coverage? Guess why Roy had so many tackles?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef.php

by kindablue on May 11, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

wrong

Every single opponent was tripping over themselves looking for Jacque Reeves.. He was the major liability last year or have we forgotten that quickly? Truth be told now that he is gone, the fans need someone to gripe about..

Hamlin and Roy both covered tight ends, but Roy gets all of the blame? Talk about skewed stats there were only 2 TD’s scored against us by TE’s, 2 and 1 100 yd game.. Hmm… I think Roy and Hamlin did ok against those TE’s that were ~~killing~~ us…

I love how a run supporting safety has 90+ tackles and it is because TE’s were having a field day against them. LOL

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

It's Because He Can't Cover

Blindingly obvious.

by kindablue on May 11, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Who can't cover

J. Reeves?

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

You can't dismiss this point

He is playing at a high level, just not the level we all came to expect of him. And to pile on, Reeves much more than Williams, cost the team defensively down the stretch.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 11, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Holding Dallas back from a championship?

Please. Your making way too much about the TE. That Football Outsiders chart lists Dallas as 28th vs. TE, while the Superbowl champ NYG were ranked 31st. I’d rather have teams try to attack Dallas with the TE, than with WR’s.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 11, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I Would Too

But teams exploited Williams every single game. Or did any of you guys actually watch the games last year?

by kindablue on May 11, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I watched every game

I have single game on Tivo. Roy got beat, but everyone gets beat. It wan’t on a consistent basis either, as you make it seem-false. He is no where close to as bad as you make him out to be. U made your TE argument and I proved with the real numbers yds and TDs that Roy did ok in coverage. Is Roy the best cover strong safety, no. Yet helped our D to 6th best Rushing defense and that is his job support the run.. 90+ tackles

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Roy got beat, but everyone gets beat. It wan’t on a consistent basis either

HaHaHa
that was the most CONSISTANT part of Roys game
Getting beat by the TE…REPEATEDLY!

did anyone happen to catch the giants game in the meadowlands…
Shockey had a field day against roy…Actually was their only weapon…
and repeatedly burnt Roy….I mean you could see it coming…everyone could…

Look…the sat his butt on the bench during PASSING SITUATIONS…
what does that say for his coverage skills….
he has lost a step…I hope it was hiding under that 25 pounds he’s purportedly lost…HaHaHa…bottom line…if his play doesn’t improve…it’ll be his last in BIG D!

Oh…BTW Roy…bashing the fans won’t win you ANY sympathy….

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on May 12, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Once Again

I saw that, like i said from time to time. You named one of the two times TE’s got busy against the cowboys. I know Roy is not great in coverage, that is no secret.

I would prefer to have Watkins out there on 3rd down situations. That is his specality – Roy’s is run support.

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Aww, what's the matter Deke

Can’t stand the criticism? Maybe it hit too close to home for ya.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 11, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Its all kinda making sense now

I knew a girl who played softball at OU when Roy was there and they were good friends. She told me that Roy really didn’t even like to play football and used to tell her that the only thing that kept him motivated to play was the fact that he knew he was going to make big money in the league.

Now that he has the big contract its obvious that his focus is not entirely on football. I’m not trying to knock Roy for his charity work, he seems like a great person and my friend had nothing but good things to say about him. When she first told me he really didnt like the game I didn’t believe her, but she assured me that they had talked about it several times . After his play dropped off the past couple of years and now missing workouts it really makes sense.

by groves on May 11, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Wow

A guy goes to the Pro-Bowl 5 times and really doesn’t care about football, Roy is amazing..

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Roy sucks

and some of you are just looking for an excuse to like him. Yes, he sucks, yes, he has cost the cowboys games and yes, his attitude is terrible for a millionaire pro athlete. When a starting safety on a pro football team says “sometimes I hope they don’t throw the ball my way” that is somebody with no heart left to play the game at a high level and who knows that he sucks. Roy is staying on the team to collect his paychecks and do charity work. The charity work is very admirable, it’s just too bad that he has to rob Jerry and the cowboys in order to make that happen.

by Billito on May 11, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

LOL

The I hope they don’t throw the ball my way comment

is being blown out of proportion. Roy knows there are some guys he can’t cover. He just man enough to admit when he is sticking someone who is quicker then he is. I am sure it is the same way some corners and safeties feel when they are sticking TO and Witten.

Now he has a bad attuitude? U sound like my friend who is Giants fan and looking for away to tear down a cowboy Pro-Bowler.

How many games did Roy cost us last year? Please explain that too me.

I KEEP ASKING THE SAME THING, IF ROY IS THAT BAD NAME 10 BETTER STRONG SAFETIES…

It is so easy to just say he sucks. I am asking you to name 10 better.

Until you can you are just hating on Roy. Why hate on one man, who is 5 time Pro- Bowler on your team? We all know Roy is no T-New coverage, but he does a lot of things right.

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

25 Safeties With More Heart Than Roy

In terms of talent, there are maybe three better. Who the hell cares about talent when you have no heart.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 12, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Wait a minute

If I can’t name ten strong safeties better than Roy then he doesn’t suck? No logic at all. Who cares about other safeties, Roy misses coverages, misses tackles, gets scared when the ball comes his way and eats up a huge chunk of the team’s salary cap. He is not a pro bowl caliber player and teams gameplan around isolating him in coverage. He is a liability to our defense and I would rather take our chances with a lower paid player and use more cap room on other parts of the defense. And you are wrong, there is no way to blow a comment like that out of proportion. That’s like having your quarterback say “I hope I don’t have the ball in my hands at the end of a game”. It is a gutless thing to say and Roy may be an all pro in charity work but he straight blows on the football field. For the money he makes he is a severe underachiever, period.

by Billito on May 12, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Here is a little help!

http://fftoday.com/nfl/depth.php?o=one_page&order_by=

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 11, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

cards,ravens?,bills,panthers, browns,colts, KC, minn, pats, saints,jets, raiders, steelers, SD, SF, TB, redskins

that is per the link you sent

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 7:51 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

I'll give you

cards, colts, pats, jets, steelers, redskins, sd,tb

that is 8, my boy Roy is still top 10- with the last 2 as a gift…

I am not going to say someone with less tackles and picks is better then Roy. I even gave you a couple of guys who may be better in coverage, but Roy is much better in run support.

I would not take Phillips or Hart over Roy, but they had good seasons.

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

As a Redskin fan

on thing I worried about during “Dallas Week ” was Roy coming in on some sorta headhunter saftey blitz, which usually got to Patrick Ramsey or Mark Brunell. The man was a terror coming down to the line of scrimmige, either on a blitz or run support.

Since Wade has become coach the schemes have become more exotic, with mutiple formations. These are good at trying to confuse the QB but as you all know he get’s exposed on an island. I don’t no what they can do to help him maybe rotate the coverage to his side or get to the QB sooner.

You can’t fault the man for being upset for being blamed for your defensive woes..even if they’re true, he is human. This is a what have you done for me lately league so barring some sort of transformation into him being able to cover I’d say he’s gone. More important to lock up T. Newman IMO.

by CptChaosSidekick on May 12, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

agreed

I think it is important we bring Newman back.

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Cut Roy After 2008-09 If No Improvement

I’m sick of this idiot. Ellis even tries to stick up for him and he gets mad. What a whiney little girl Roy Williams has turned into.

Funny, but I’ve never heard anyone use religion as an excuse for digressing as a football player. Kinda like Cerano in Major League II, he found Buddha and stopped caring.

There was no bigger a Roy Williams fan than me 4 years ago. Now I can’t wait to see him out of a job. What a chump.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 12, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Ok..

You might want to check that site then.. because according to the site you link that was suppose to help.. all those teams have SS with a higher FFPts/G. I know its just FFP but its directly related to performance. You say Roy has alot of tackles well thats because he lets the guy hes covering catch the ball first. What are Roys “intangibles” because i know the statment you cant just judge a player by his stats. He doesnt make big plays or hits anymore, hes a target for the refs with horsecollars, and the whole league knows he has trouble in coverage.

Roy’s stats
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
15 13 73 19 0.0 5 2 0 1

Sean Jones(CLE) You Forgot about him
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
16 16 69 27 0.5 10 5 1 0

J Phillips(TB) I dont know how this one is agift? His stats are the same if not better
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
15 15 70 13 1.0 7 4 3 0

C. Hart(SD) Again how is this a gift? They have almost same tackles but more picks…...
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
16 16 68 17 1.0 9 5 0 1

G Wilson(OAK)
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
13 13 78 14 0.0 7 4 0 1

R. Harper(NO)
G GS Tackle Assist Sack PD INT FFum FR
16 16 75 15 4.0 8 3 2 0

I can keep going.. but thats 11 now… your move sir

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Sorry the formating looked good over here

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Fantasy Points?

I was just sending you the roster to make it easier for you..

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Regardless..

I just proved to you 11 SS better then roy williams.. atleast by stats. I stated Roys negative intangibles… still your move sir.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Are you Serious?

There is no way you can go off of fantasy stats and say one player is better then another. Fantasy stats are so skewed…

Jon Kitna scored more fantasy points then McNabb, Eli Manning, Garrad. Is Jon Kitna the better player?

Stephen Jackson finished 15th in fantasy points is he 15th best back in the NFL?

Boldin was 19th and Andre Johnson was 22nd- There is no way there are 18 WR’s better then Boldin and 21 better then Andre Johnson…

Sorry fantasy stats don’t prove anything..

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply reply 0 recs

WHAT?

DUDE im going by stats… can you not see them up there? All those SS have the same or better stats. Again ill say it again because you seem to be focused on this FFP thing All those teams i named have the same stats or better then Roy. You agreed on 8 of those teams but said 2 were a “gift”. Well i came back with their exact stats and asked why they are a gift and added 3! more SS with better or the same stats as Roy. Then i went a step further and described Roys Negative Intangibles because we all know stats arent everything.
so again ill ask you in the way you asked everyone else…

IF ROY IS THAT GOOD TELL ME WHY I NAMED 11 STRONG SAFTIES THAT ARE BETTER THEN HIM?

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

LOL

You can’t be serious, I said stats, not fantasy stats.Fantasy football puts greater weight on certain Stats. 5 Strong Safeties had more tackles and 4 SS’s had more Picks.. Not one SS had more tackles and Picks..

I am sorry, but Roy is still top 10

I love how you completely skipped over my point about fantasy points, when I mentioned Stephen Jackson, Boldin, Andre Johnson, and Kitna.. I am loving it!!

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Again

I am not talking about FFP you are the one who told everyone to use that site. I never posted FFP stats i never used that as the basis of my argument or anything. I am going off stats. STATS. STATS. STATS. Idk how thats hard to understand. I was going off of the stats.

And Roy only has more tackles because he is targeted so much and lets the TE/WR catch the ball then tackles him(haha). Also Roy only has at most like 15 more tackles. Thats less then one more per a game. You are kidding yourself if you would take someone who has 15 more tackles vs someone who has 2,3,4 more INTs. INTs change games. They give the ball back to the Offense.

Admit it i named 11 SS with stats just as good or better then Roys. Again i went a step further and named Roys negative intangibles. What are is positive ones? And you are only factoring in Tackles and Ints what about Pass Deflects Sacks for Forced Fumbles. But that doesnt matter look up Sean Jones he has more tackles AND INTs then Roy and dont say roy does.. add up tackles and assitt because they matter just as much.

OFF TOPIC: umm fantasy points for D and for O are completely different. There are alot more variances that factor into Offense of points like PPR leagues how many points per yard TD. If you get deducted points for Ints and such. I dont know what structure you got those stats from so i cant comment. I do know for the D its pretty straight forward.. so many points for a tackle int etc.
S. Jackson: HURT
Boldin: HURT
A. Johnson: HURT!... come on those were horrible examples of course they were ranked lower they didnt paly as many games

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

If Roy is top ten then I'm the queen of England

by quincyyyyy on May 12, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

LOL

He is top 10 Strong Safety. The problem is you watch every game, so you see every mistake. I guarntee if you watched the other Strong Safeties in the league you would see them getting toasted, too.

You guys are so emotional after seeing Roy get taking to School twice by Santana Moss. Trust me I am still sore over it, just don’t let cloud my judgement like it does yours..

Jon Kitna wouldn’t be dropping 4k ydg years if everyone in league can cover..

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

injoy his play then Wmillion

because unless his play drastically improves, which I dont see happening because Roy is NOT an athletic player, he will be cut next offseason.

by Deke on May 12, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I could see that

He may be gone, but I think he will improved. He is going through some rigorous training this off-season.. At least we can count on him in run support.

Oh i will enjoy his play.. read my signature.. :)

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

OK, but can we at least give Roy a catchy quote?

How about “Get your biscuits ready”??

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 13, 2008 6:14 AM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

my exact point

Fantasy Stats are skewed..

I told you that there are only 8 guys who are agruably better then Roy. Some of those guys really aren’t better then Roy.

A couple of those guys only had 1 more int then Roy.. I love how you tackles aren’t important. How can tackles not be important and game changing?

I am not going to even mention the intangibles. I just don’t see the negativty you are talking about. The guy has been murdered by the media and the fans. He just sticking up for himself.

Jon Kitna is great Fantasy example, too.. :)

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

But..

What about being a liabilty to his team by still using the horsecollar. I mean he was suspended a game for it.
His suspect pass coverage
His lack of big plays. I can only remember one big hit and that was green bay.
And now his lack of heart?

I use to be the biggest Roy Williams fan [ ROY!... ROY! ROY! ROY!] i use to chant but over the last few years his play has declined. He has lost that intimidator factor he once had. idk man Roy isnt exactly on the top of everyones mind when they think top 10 SS then again SS is a dying breed i think. Its looking like if he doesnt improve this year then thats it in big D.

all this talk of fantasy football has got me excited im going to go do a mock draft haha

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on May 12, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

What a coincidence

I was listening to Siruis NFL radio( Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwin) on my lunch break and guess who they were talking about? Roy Williams

They made a lot of sense. They said SS like Roy are becoming are becoming a thing of the past. They mentioned how they are becomig more of situational player-running downs. Then being subbed out for passing Situations, which makes sense.

Basically what we did to Roy. They talke about the evoultion of play calling on offense. Saying that is why you don’t see to many hammer head full backs. Less mack strongs and Tony Richardson and more H-Backs like Chris Cooley.. Pass Happy offenses..

I think if we can use Roy to his strengths and reduce amount we ask for him to cover we will see a much better Roy. With more big time plays.

Billito mentioned what we use Roy for he is expensive. I agree if Roy is going to become situational player, we need to pay him like one. They went on to say that players like Roy will start to see less money because they aren’t every down players..

Just wanted to share what I heard. NFL radio is Siruis is money!!

"Don't Worry About 38, He will be Ready.. Will you be ready to Cheer for him?"

by Wmillion on May 12, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs