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JJT is back with a new column in the DMN today. After dispatching the question of Hard Knocks being a distraction with a resounding "no", he does some Q&A. One question was about Bobby Carpenter. Can you actually grade Carpenter as a player even though he’s been shuttled between various positions and has seen very little playing time on defense? It’s a tricky question because you can look at it two ways. One is that Carpenter hasn’t been allowed to show his true talents because he’s never been left at a position long enough to get comfortable and learn the nuances. The constant shuffling and lack of playing time might also have gotten into his head and manifested in a lack of confidence. The other side of the debate says that if Carpenter had the skills needed he would have grabbed hold of a position and forced his way into playing time. The Cowboys coaches would be playing him if they thought he had done enough to earn it. You have to remember that they see him everyday in practice where we don’t, so they have a lot more information to go on. My gripe with Carpenter going all the way back to his rookie season is his inability to shed blockers and make the play. That was based on a couple of training camps witnessed in person and watching him in games, including some preseason games. When he is in the open field he can get something done but when tied up in traffic he doesn’t do a good job of freeing himself. Something I also think is a problem with Marcus Spears. Moving him to the "Mo" linebacker is a nod to that line of thinking because in theory he will be able to run to the ball with less traffic or having the guards release to the second-level to pick him up. We’ll see what happens but I’m of the belief that if he had shown the skills to be effective in TC, preseason and in practices, the Cowboys coaches would have no problem getting him on the field.

A couple of other Q&A’s of note involving the WR position:

Q: Are the Cowboys interested in Chris Henry?

TAYLOR: I haven't heard anything from the Cowboys that suggests they have any interest in Henry. He's a good player, but he's not special. The Cowboys have enough volatile personalities in their locker room. They don't need to add another.

I can’t imagine anybody truly being interested in the kid until Roger Goodell settles his playing status. Pacman is one thing because he could easily be reinstated soon, but Henry has just added more trouble to his long list and that doesn’t bode well for his future. Also, I agree with JJT that Henry is a good player but hasn’t shown enough for anyone to go out on a limb to acquire him. In contrast, I fully believe that Pacman is one of the better CB’s in this league and his special teams prowess makes him even more valuable. I’m not sure if he’ll be on the top of his game early in the season, assuming reinstatement, but by the end of the year he could very well be battling Terence Newman for preeminent CB on the team.

Q: I've been reading how much Danny Amendola looks like Wes Walker. If he makes the team, which wide receivers could get cut?

TAYLOR: First, I think Amendola's chances to make the team are slim, in part, because he doesn't play special teams. He seems like a much better bet to make the practice squad. If Amendola did make it, I think Isaiah Stanback may be the one who doesn't make it because he has yet to prove he can do anything in the NFL, while Sam Hurd and Miles Austin have proven they can contribute.

Uh, I have to go the other way on this question. Unless Stanback is a total bust in training camp, which I don't expect to happen, there isn’t a chance the Cowboys would cut him. They drafted him knowing he was a project, they knew that the foot injury would slow him down enough to make last year a wash. The idea was to use last year to teach him the WR position at the pro-level and that this year would be his first chance to show what kind of future he has at the position. It would take him being a monumental disappointment to be let go this year. Everybody knows that it usually takes even the most talented and polished receivers coming out of college a few years to get everything going in the NFL. On the other hand, Hurd and Austin have been here for a couple of years and this year will be a big marker for them. Hurd has already shown he has the consistency to be a good backup WR in this league but Austin is still on the bubble for me. He has the physical tools without a doubt, but he needs to show he can be productive on the field. I think if anyone is in danger from Amendola’s presence it would be Austin. But, I have no idea if Amendola is good enough to take a spot away from a vet; we need to see him in pads at training camp before we can even begin to assess his future prospects.

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Mike Florio of PFT.com also writes for the Sporting News. He has a list of the 10-worst offseason moves and we make it. 

The Cowboys sent linebacker Akin Ayodele and tight end Anthony Fasano to the Dolphins for a fourth-round draft pick. Total. Seriously.

Ayodele signed with the Cowboys as a free agent in 2006, and Fasano was a second-round pick that same year. Although Ayodele would have been bumped to the bench by free-agent pickup Zach Thomas, it's highly risky, at best, for Dallas to count on the veteran linebacker with the history of head trauma to stay on the field. Meanwhile, after dealing away Fasano, the Cowboys had to burn a second-round pick on a new tight end (Texas A&M's Martellus Bennett) to work behind Jason Witten.

I don’t think it was one of the 10-worst moves of the offseason although I freely admit I’ve never really thought about making a list like that. But I do admit to thinking that we didn’t get enough out of that trade. Sure we were going to have to do something with Ayodele and at least we got some value instead of just cutting him. As for Fasano, I thought his play here was a little disappointing so I wasn’t exactly mad that we let him go. But only getting a fourth for both of them just seemed a little low. And as you guys know, I haven’t bought into the Martellus Bennett hype yet. I view Dallas’ offense as a vertical passing game offense and he doesn’t excite me in terms of that. While we do use a 2-TE set on occasion, we don’t do it often enough to be a staple of the offense and I don’t think Bennett will change that. I also know that Witten is going to get the bulk of the passes thrown to the TE so I can’t see him making a large impact in that area. I do concede with his height and athletic ability that Bennett could be a factor in the redzone, but just having the physical gifts isn’t enough. He has to prove that he can get open in those situations and show the steady hands needed to be trusted in those critical situations. I’m not saying he can’t, but he still has to prove it to me.

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This story might be of interest because of DeMarcus Ware’s contract situation. The Baltimore Ravens, Terrell Suggs and the league have come up with a new "franchise tag" position for hybrid OLB/DE’s in 3-4 defenses.

The settlement, which is being finalized by lawyers for the NFLPA and the Management Council, creates a new position in franchise designations -- a defensive end-linebacker. Once the paperwork is completed later this week, Suggs, designated as a franchise linebacker, will be re-designated as a defensive end-linebacker, and his one-year franchise tender will increase from $8.065 million to around $8.5 million.

If the Cowboys ever end up franchise tagging Ware, he would fit into this new category.

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Stanback cut, I dont think so!!

JJT is really reaching, last year Stanback was red shirted, this is really his first year in the offense, he’ll get alot of work as T.O, Crayton and Glenn wont see much if any time in preseason. Amendola catching balls against air isn’t really a marker for what he will be, that will come in training camp. If he was all that, a wes Welker type, he would of been drafted and not an unsigned free agent…. I do agree he will be hard pressed to make the team, he’ll be battling Austin for that spot.

As far as Tghtend position, the guy people should watch is Hannah, he has skills but was very raw last year. A year learning the finer points of the position and a year in the strength and conditioning program, he might be the talk of the tightends after Witten, not bennett or Curtis in training camp.

by Deke on May 14, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he is that far off

It was discussed on Cowboys.com recently. Stanbach has to show something this training camp or could be released. He is a project player period. I don’t care if he is athletic, fast..etc., There are a bunch of those players in the NFL. If he can’t make the transition to WR than he is not worth keeping. This kid Amendola sounds like the real deal and would hate for him to miss out because of Stanbach. Amendola would get snatched off the PS faster than Fat Andy can take down a Big Mac if they did that.

I’m going out on a limb and say that TG get’s cut and Amendola makes the active roster.

by Boyzfan94 on May 14, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

JJT is right on with Carp
Carpenter has consistently struggled when asked to take on blockers, shed them and make plays. The Cowboys keep moving him around so they can find a spot where they can get some production from him. Ask anyone in the organization – players, coaches and front office – and they will tell you the same thing.

There is the money quote from the article, the reason he’ll never be an effective 3-4 ILB.

Regarding Stanback, I agree with Deke, JJT must have been smoking some crack on that comment.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 14, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

This is the problem with this JJT statement
Carpenter has consistently struggled when asked to take on blockers, shed them and make plays

Consistantly!!! How does JJT come to that determination when Carpenter doesn’t get reps in games other than Special teams to come to that determination and JJT doesn’t have access to practices so I guess JJT got to that deternination on what, one preseason game last year when Carpenter stated himself that he shouldn’t of played due to an injury. When this organization lets this player stay in one position and lets him learn the position and get some substantial reps in games, I’ll hold judgement on Carpenter. This organization has done everything to ruin this player.

by Deke on May 14, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He gets his information

from players, coaches and front office as he stated, who all have access to practices.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

not from the NAZI regime

under the lockdown regime of Bill parcells where nobody was allowed to talk to the media.

Wade phillips has been here one year, he has already stated he made a mistake on carpenter and that he made a premature judgement after one preseason game, a game where Carpenter played injured. Carpenter was relegated to special teams and played all year with an injury, you cant take anything form practice, I’ve seen guys that look great in practice but were horrible in games, and vise versa, great in games, horrible practice players. Carpenter gets very limited reps in practice since he’s not a first stringer, practice that runs at half speed. The front office you refer to is who, Jerry and Steven. I highly doubt those two are going to give any negative info for any player off the record to JJT or anyone else. As far as the players goes, beside Greg Ellis, who tried to defend Roy but came across throwing him under the bus, what other player has said anything about another player to the media, they have enough to worry about with keeping their own jobs. I think this is JJT spouting off about a player he didn’t like from day one, he’s wasn’t a Parcells fan and not a carpenter fan as a pick.

I’ll give Carpenter a break in two ways, first he is entering his third year and the confidence of a player has to be shattered when you move him four different times to three different positions in two years, if anything this organization has done more to ruin this player than help him develop. This is the make or break year for Carpenter, he either steps up or its time to move on, but hopefully the organization wont make that decision after a single preseason game or a practice. I hope Carpenter stays healthy, gets atleast twelve quarters in preseason to build confidence, get comfortable in the position and to prove he’s an asset to this team.

by Deke on May 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

With regard to 3rd Year...

Your comment on this being Carpenter’s thrid year jogged a memory…Didn’t it take Bradie James three years to crack the starting lineup? If I recall, Bradie just didn’t seem to get it for the first couple of years….and he didn’t have to deal with the change in positions. Anyone recall why it took that long for Bradie to crack the starting lineup?

by lonpatel on May 14, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're correct

It took Bradie a couple seasons to grab the staring position.

If they leave Carp on the inside as a backup and let him play ST, we don’t know if he can elevate his game this season. I think this is his make or break season. Zach Thomas is up there in football years, and the crop of 2009 ILB is strong.

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by APerfectStar on May 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill was giving Bradie every opportunity

to take Dexter Coakley’s job, but Bradie couldn’t cover worth a darn. Was it lack of skill or knowledge of his assignment? I don’t remember.

by BigE on May 14, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amendola doesn't play special teams?
I think Amendola’s chances to make the team are slim, in part, because he doesn’t play special teams.

Amendola is a punt returner. What is JJT talking about, that he doesn’t play special teams?

by scottmaui on May 14, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasn't he all-something as a punt returner when he was a freshman too?

I agree with Boyz, TG will be cut and we’ll have TO, Crayton, Stanback, Hurd and Amendola. Austin’s special teams abilities aren’t needed with Felix, Pac and Stanback.

by ChrisRichey on May 14, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

we actually may some good depth at PR now

but still, depth is good, and this definitely seems an extra selling point for Amendola. I just don’t get when JJT is talking about.

From Texas Tech player bio

Led the team in punt returns the last three seasons … holds the sixth- and eighth-place spots on Tech’s single-season punt return yardage lists (377 in 2006 and 371 in 2004) ... third on the career yardage list and is only the third player in school history to record 1,000+ return yards … 41 returns in 2006 is second-best season total … also ranks third with 102 career returns …
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2006 – Big 12 Conference Honorable Mention … ranked sixth in the Big 12 Conference with 9.2 yards per punt return … now ranks third all-time in school history behind Wes Welker and Tyrone Thurman in career punt returns and punt return yardage .

etc…

by scottmaui on May 14, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJT emailed me back

basically saying DA won’t be returning punts, Pacman and Crayton will.

I basically agree, but that depends on Pacman’s reistatement AND continued good behavior. Seems like having some depth and insurance at PR wouldn’t hurt, and even if he wouldn’t be the first or even second PR choice, given the situation with Pacman, DA’s ability in this area would be at least a small bonus in his favor to make the team. JJT knows a lot more than I do about these things, but that’s my uninformed 2 cents.

JJT says “he doesn’t play special teams” – but he does play special team. maybe he won’t end up playing special teams, but he does have the ability. He does play special teams.

by scottmaui on May 14, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton

Man, I swear Crayton looks like his running in sand on Punt Return. We need someone with some elusiveness and speed back there.

"If y'all fresh to death, then I'm deceased."

by Wmillion on May 14, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'd prefer Amendola to Crayton

of course Pacmac would be tops, and Amendola still has to prove himself on this level, but he has the skills and I think there’s value to having him available as the #2 PR.

by scottmaui on May 14, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Jenkins?

I’m pretty sure he’s already said he’d love to return punts, and returned a few kickoffs in 07. He also played running back in high school, so he can definitely make things happen when he has the ball in his hands. This kind of hurts my case for DA, but like you said, depth is good.

by ChrisRichey on May 15, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not only PR

Amendola was not only a consistent punt returner, but he was Alex “Money” Trlica’s holder for field goals and extra points. I agree, JJT should not have said he doesn’t play special teams, instead should have said Cowboys don’t want him on special teams right now. But special teams guys are definitely helpful in my opinion.

All that said, I know DA’s chances are slim because he just doesn’t have the measurables that staffs look for, so I am just hoping he performs at training camp.

by djollie111 on May 17, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

saying TG will be cut is huge presumption

that IMO doesn’t have any merit as of yet. Lets see how healthy he is in camp because if he is healthy, TG is as good as any receiver we have on the team.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if he is healthy

He won’t be for long. Knee issues are not good for aging WR’s.

by ChrisRichey on May 14, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

We all hope he can bounce back, but realistically he’s an aging speed WR with barely any cartilage in his knees. The odds are stacked against him.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 14, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tellus

Tellus has been compared to A. Gates. I am not saying his on that level or will be, but Gates has shown the ability to line up outside and create mismatches.

So our Two-TE set could look different with Tellus and Crayton on the Outside and TO in slot and Witten playing TE.. I know this wouldn’t be a consistent formation, but it would give the defense a different look to try to defend.

Make it even tougher to double TO.

"If y'all fresh to death, then I'm deceased."

by Wmillion on May 14, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Bobby Carpenter

Watching his highlights at Ohio State, he was a big kid who could run (a dirt poor man’s Brian Urlacher). If he’s freed up to be a playmaker at the inside weak linebacker spot, he can flourish provided he’s able to shed blocks. That’s been a big problem of his – being blocked in one-on-one situations – hopefully he’s worked on his techinque and upper body strength so that he can.

I was never a fan of picking him in the first round, I thought it was another case of Big Bill reaching back to his glory days and drafting the son of one of his players. Then I remembered MBII played for Big Bill as well and went with it.

Go Cowboys.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 14, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

DOES JJT GET PAID FOR HIS "WORK"????

He knows less about sports than any sports writer I’ve ever seen (Colin Cowturd is very close behind). Stanback being cut????? What an idiot!! You’re right, Grizz, unless Stanback shows up fat and plays horribly in camp, he’s virtually guaranteed a spot because of his “redshirt” rookie season.

If JJT gets paid more than $2.13/hour, he’s ripping off the DMN.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on May 14, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree

Although there are plenty of things JJT has said I don’t agree with, the Stanback comment for instance, however, for the most part, he’s usually right more than he’s wrong.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like JJT

He’s one of the best DMN football reporters. Although I also think Stanback is a lock to make the team, I disagree with JJT on that point.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 14, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to earn your spot in the NFL.

If Carpenter had the talent, he would have been on the field. The kid was a 1st round draft pick, and if he doesn’t show something this year, he’s on the list with Noonan and LaFleur. If he’s any good, they’ll find a way to get him on the field. Basically, the conversation about Stanback and Carpenter is the same, but one was a 1st rounder and one was a 4th. I suspect that neither one of them will be a Cowboy next year.

I also agree with those that say Glenn is probably done. I just don’t see him regaining his speed, and we already have a slow guy who runs good routes and has decent hands in Crayton.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Buy into Bennett.

I don’t know why you aren’t sold on Bennett. He’s miles better than Fasano. Much more physically gifted and a better offensive threat.

As for the trade, think of Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele for Tashard Choice. The fact is that the Cowboys dumped some salaries of players they couldn’t use. They didn’t get enough? How can anyone say that? Don’t you think that Jerry would have taken a better deal if it was offered?

BTW, and offensive lineman named Whitley just died at age 39. Is he related to E. J. Whitley, the Boys’ 7th round pick in the Carpenter draft three drafts ago?

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by barrypopik on May 15, 2008 2:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Or...

I think of it as Ayodele and Fasano for Pacman Jones.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's what the deal was....we got back the fourth we gave up for Jones.....

Fasano and Ayodele for Adam Jones…..sure seems like a sweet deal to me….But I also think a 3rd for those two would have been more appreciated….or a 4th and 6th…..but whatever…..for some odd reason Jerry seemed obligated to submit to every one of Tuna’s requests…I’m not liking it…giving up coaches, scouting staff, and players for practically nothing wasn’t a good deal overall…....and here I was thinking maybe the Tuna would return the favor…like maybe giving us Jason Taylor for a 2nd or 3rd…...He does owe us one…........Miami should grant Taylor a trade….any decent man would grant this exemplary player an opportunity to go to a contender…....why not Dallas ?....could you imagine Jason Taylor and DeMarcus Ware on opposite ends rushing the passer???....geeez….nighty nite…

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by BoyzRback on May 15, 2008 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

True

Nice to imagine, but Greg Ellis has more Sacks with less games played and he is Younger..

"If y'all fresh to death, then I'm deceased."

by Wmillion on May 16, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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