Catching up with the Dallas Cowboys
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Thoughts on who the 4 guys will be cut? Wait that means all the UDFA count in that? Oh ok nvm haha then its probably no one majorly important. Immm dumb i just had a conversation with myself.
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by thebigham on May 22, 2008 11:04 AM CDT 0 recs
I have been up and down on Austin during his time here
I really liked his potential in ‘06, and I thought he could be starting caliber. ‘07 I started to sour on him. Hopefully Archer is right. It would be huge for us if Austin could make the leap this year. He has the size and the physical ability that rivals elite prospects. Now is the time when he needs to start putting it all together or he could be out of luck come end of training camp.
by quincyyyyy on May 22, 2008 11:09 AM CDT 0 recs
When I finally forgave Austin after da Skins loss debacle...
... I’ve been pimpin’ him here.
And Archer’s article below sums up my thoughts on him, how I’m rootin’ for him, how it’s do-or-die time, and how it’ll be yr three for him—usually a WRs breakout season.
Check it.
** Some people are down him after the 2007 regular-season finale vs. Washington, but Miles Austin caught everything Wednesday. And by everything, we mean everything. He made several adjustments to throws behind him and hung on for the catch. This is a big year for Austin and I’m on record saying he has the most potential of the in-house receivers the Cowboys need to make a big jump in 2008.
Early indications are that he’s determined to make up for last season’s dropsies. Now, if he can consistently carry that on through the remainder of OTAs, TC, preseason, regular season, and post-season.
That’s not too much to ask, is it?
Miles Austin is the guy I’ll be hoping succeeds in 2008.
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by silverblue5 on
May 22, 2008 2:43 PM CDT
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I have hope for Austin
You can learn to catch. He can run routes, he has big-time speed. He just needs some more reps to be comfortable in that situation and put a few hundred balls in the catching machine each day.
I agree he’s our best bet for a deep threat at WR. Might be Stanback, but he’s more or less a complete unknown.
by grapejoos on
May 22, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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theres no question that Austin and Stanback
are enormously gifted athletes, they just need time to develop as do all WRs. I think by the time T.O. and Glenn are gone, these guys will shine as great playmakers.
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by Terry on
May 22, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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But if I recall
Stanback’s speed isn’t all that great for a WR. He’d be more of a shifty slot guy than a deep burner.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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Just the opposite
I think he has more speed than he has quicks. He is very fast from what I have seen from him, especially for someone his size.
by quincyyyyy on
May 22, 2008 6:42 PM CDT
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dunk, he was a track star
he can run like the wind blows.
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by Terry on
May 22, 2008 8:57 PM CDT
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Something I read recently
said 4.6. Must have gotten it wrong.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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he ran the 100 meters at Pac-10 championships in like 10.46....not too shabby...that's faster than 4.6 speed.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on
May 22, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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But he didn't hit that for the NFL record
And so there’s nothing I could find that says he can outrun a 4.38 CB like Scandrick The Magnificent.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 10:02 PM CDT
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I don't recall anyone saying he could run in the 4.3's.....only about 3% of the league runs that fast...
once again…..40 times aren’t etched in stone( just ask Felix 4.46 Jones)...nor are they indicative of a WR’s ability to get open deep or otherwise (TO and Michael Irvin, 4.5 speed at best).......Stanback will be a stud….and he will be getting open..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on
May 22, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
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Boyz
the discussion started on whether he was a speed merchant or shifty, open field kind of guy. All I’m saying is… he doesn’t appear to have elite speed.
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by dunkman on
May 23, 2008 5:36 PM CDT
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no, you're right dunk
he did post a slow time 4.6 to 4.65—40. Not sure where that time came from since he didn’t run at the combine or his pro day due to injury.
But I watched that game against Oklahoma, he was the fastest guy on the field that day and almost single handily won that game.
by Deke on
May 22, 2008 10:02 PM CDT
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Right
The injury may be what stood in the way – he wasn’t able to train up for the big combine “race for the payday” event.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 10:04 PM CDT
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I just looked it up
here. Looks like 4.6 to me, which is not elite speed.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 9:57 PM CDT
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I don't know where these sites get these numbers
he had a serious foot injury. He never ran the 40.
But I like that second position description: Wide receiver/athlete.
by quincyyyyy on
May 22, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
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So...
Miles Austin is faster and bigger then hurd and stanback. Apparently he is catching everything in sight. Who is the odd man out?
Do you hope the 30+ year old TGlenn can contribute or UDFA wes welker jr. or cut Austin, Hurd, or Stanback?..
Tough decision, but sounds like an area of concern is becoming area of strength..
We will need the depth though, toughest division in football, and one of the worst schedules in football.
"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"
by Wmillion on
May 23, 2008 12:27 AM CDT
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there is no odd man out
the Cowboys 6 WRs this season will be T.O., TG, Crayton, Austin, Hurd and Stanback.
Nobody should realistically expect Welker Jr to make the team.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 23, 2008 7:40 AM CDT
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true
T Glenn situation is a little unsettling though. I don’t want to cut a WR who can contribue for years to come, because we hope glenn can come back.
"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"
by Wmillion on
May 23, 2008 8:42 AM CDT
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I wonder who could be one of those cuts...
The Cowboys will be four players over the roster limit once they sign all the rookies. They’ll have to make four cuts before training camp.
by quincyyyyy on May 22, 2008 11:11 AM CDT 0 recs
they will just be UDFA scrubs..nobody of importance
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by Terry on
May 22, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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What are the chances that the Hamlin deal can be completed?
Are there other teams looking to negotiate with him, or is that precluded re: his “franchise player” status?
Thanks
Wharter
by Wharter on May 22, 2008 12:09 PM CDT 0 recs
Teams can but they would have to give us two first rounders
be my guest…
by quincyyyyy on
May 22, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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No other teams can negotiate
that time has past. He will play as a Cowboys this year, either at the franchise tender or a new contract.
by Dave Halprin (Grizz) on
May 22, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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You sure Grizz?
Seems like I read one of Spag’s emails saying Hamlin is still eligible to sign offer sheets from other teams since he is an unrestricted free agent as opposed to a restricted free agent, regardless of the Franschie tag. Not that it really matters, no one’s going to give up two first rounders and a big contract for him anyway.
by WB3forMB3 on
May 22, 2008 4:12 PM CDT
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No Hamlin cant sign with anyone else
He was franchised. He probably didn’t sign the one year deal to enable dallas and his agent to continue to work on a long term deal with him. That happens all the time. He’ll play for the franchised tender or he’ll be signed to a long term deal, he cant sign with another team..
by Deke on
May 22, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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Franchised doesn't mean that
The Franschise tag doesn’t mean no one else can sign the guy. They can, but the Cowboys have the right to match the offer sheet first and if they dont the signing team has to give up two 1st round picks.
by WB3forMB3 on
May 22, 2008 4:39 PM CDT
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Its called "exclusive" franchised player
Which I think Hamlin was offered.
An “exclusive” franchise player isn’t free to sign with another club. If Hamlin was offered a minimum average of the top five salaries as a safety as of April 16, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater, he’s a exclusive franchise player.
If Hamlin was offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries from last season at safety, or 120 percent of the Hamlin’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a "non-exclusive" franchise player and can negotiate with other clubs. if a another team offers a contract, then dallas could match a new club’s offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if Dallas doesn’t match.
The Key to Hamlin is the April 16 date and as I know, he was offered the average of the top five safeties as of April 16, then he becomes an exclusive franchise player, unable to sign with another team…...
by Deke on
May 22, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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It's all moot anyway
no team is going to offer a contract to Hamlin and give up two first round picks.
by Deke on
May 22, 2008 5:11 PM CDT
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geeez....Hamlin can NOT be signed by another team...There is a deadline that has past...He can only deal with Dallas now...at the franchise tender or sign long term....end of subject..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on
May 22, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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Mickey is wrong when refering to Hamlin....He can NOT sign elsewhere...period...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on
May 22, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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Austin
Sounds like he has been working on catching the ball this off-season. If that guy can put it all together, running good routes, getting open, catching the ball, yards after the catch, then Dallas won’t have to worry about finding another WR. That would be a nice surprise.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on May 22, 2008 1:01 PM CDT 0 recs
Gotta love Canty...
I have a bad feeling he’s going to be a guy to leave Dallas after this season, with the crazy deals being handed DEs these days. I hope not, because the guy is a hard worker through and through.
It’ll be a nightmare trying to lock up Ham, T.O. and Canty this season/following offseason … especially with Ware right around the corner. Barring a heavy increase of the salary cap with a new CBA deal, I’m not sure Dallas can get it done.
by no1cowboysfan on May 22, 2008 1:03 PM CDT 0 recs
If any more renegotiating can be done
I expect long-term deals with Canty and Hamlin this year. Both can get a lot on the free market, but I think they’ll realize there is a special group here and Jerry will make the money competitive.
If the dollars aren’t there, then we’ll have to wait and see. I’m sure Dallas wants Hamlin done first. Ware will get done, we can always franchise him if things get tight. I expect the Ware negotiation to be pretty smooth.
by grapejoos on
May 22, 2008 4:05 PM CDT
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Addendum
I think the numbers are possible to get these remaining deals done, but there are two caveats: Roy, Glenn, Ellis, and possibly Columbo are gone in 1-2 years, and we’ll lack flexibility to make FA additions under the current cap structure.
If there’s an uncapped year, I’m sure there will be plenty of ringers with short-term deals, but I think a deal will get worked out before that. Jerry is a big boy at the table, and we (and a few other teams) benefit more from a $10m-ish cap increase long-term. That gives us our core plus another one or two quality players. The uncapped year is just a bargaining chip for him, Snyder, Kraft, and the other rich owners.
by grapejoos on
May 22, 2008 4:11 PM CDT
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Pacman on offense?
Eh, let’s just focus on getting him on the field and in football shape. To me, if you are trying to figure out how to use him on offense, that just reflects on the lack of depth/speed on the receiving corps. His few touches on offense in Tennessee were nothing special, and he isn’t really big enough to take a lot of punishment. If they’re considering this, they must know that behind T.O., there’s not a lot to get excited about at WR.
by Baked Potato Soup on May 22, 2008 4:03 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm almost certain Jones REALLY said
“Adam is certain to commit an offense”. I’ll double-check.
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by dunkman on
May 22, 2008 5:05 PM CDT
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He's plenty big enough to be a star WR if that's where he would play......He's bigger than Welker, Harrison, and Steve Smith...as well as many many others...
He was an all american RB coming out of high school…he’s plenty tough enough to play the slot…and better than most in the league if Jerry indeed does plan on using him alot on O. I LOVE the idea of him on offense….20-35 plays on nickle defense….-4-8 punt returns ….about 10 plays on offense…I like it…
I can see Adam Jones and Felix Jones pullin off the double reverse…..woooo hoooo
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
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