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Thinking About CB's

From a previous thread, I was thinking about who I would rate as having the best corps of CB's in the NFL. Dallas has a CB that surely ranks as one of the top 5 in the NFC, but how do they rate when you add Anthony Henry, a pair of rookies and potentially Pac Man (who hasn't hit anything other than an exotic dancer in the last 18 months) to the mix? Anyway, here's where I landed;

1. Raiders: It is hard to argue (although I am sure some will) with the combo of Asomugha and Hall. Getting Hall may be the best offseason move of any team. If they can generate any pressure up front, watch out.

2. Eagles: I know, you're yelling at me...calling me names...I know. But hang on, Lito Sheppard is a highly regarded pro bowler (surely a top 15 CB) and Asante Samuel's accomlishments are irrefutable, evidence his new paycheck. How many teams have two young pro bowlers starting at CB? Oakland and Philly. I still think (hope) Lito will get traded, but time will tell.

3. Chargers: Antonio Cromartie is the total package and won't be tested nearly as much as last year. Quentin Jammer has quietly become a very solid cover guy and is a sure tackler. First round pick was CB Antoine Cason. Scary.

4. Seahawks: Now you're just pounding your keyboard on the desk. Okay, I get it, but before you damage your Commodore 64, think about this; Trufant led the conference in INT's last year on a team with a far lesser pass rush than Dallas'. Even if you think Newman edges Trufant out (which most Cowboys fans do and most fans of other teams do not), Kelly Jennings is a CB with lockdown ability and far more upside than Anthony Henry. Remember, CORPS of CB's.

5. Broncos: Champ is still THE best CB in the game. Anyone that really watches how he shadows, flips his hips effortlessly and stays tight on short, intermediate and deep routes knows this. Dre Bly is good, but the Bronco pass rush looks a lot like the one we generated when Ebenezer Ekuban (remember him?) was our #1 edge rusher. Bly gets beat on double moves and QB's have plenty of time to let them develop. Karl Paymah is an old school big hitter and fun to watch him throw his body around.

6. Cowboys: Um, yay? Look, for years, this was our achiliies heel. In fact, because of injuries and inconsistent play at the #2 and #3 CB spots (repeat after me; I will not bash Roy Williams...I will not bash Roy Williams), this was again a weakness on the defense. If you consider the number of sacks and QB pressures we had last year, to not have significantly more turnovers and far fewer 3rd down conversions is a travesty. Henry was very average even when he was healthy and he may be a liability against smaller, quicker WR's that forces us look at him as a FS candidate. Our #3 CB, whoever it is, has either not played an NFL down before, or is completely out of shape after 18 months of XBOX 360. C'mon, put the objective hat on. This team has some questions at  CB that need to be answered.  

7. Vikings: Winfield good, Gordon not so much.

8. Jaguars: Mathis is in my top 10 CB list. Drayton Florence is best known for being stupid, but plays with aggression.

9. Packers: Al Harris...Charles Woodson. They should be better than they are, but as you get older, your hips tighten up. They are 33 and 31, respectively. Nuff' said.

10: Ken Lucas is very good and Chris Gamble can shadow. Richard Marshall has upside.   

Okay, enough about what I think, now it's your turn...

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Which team has the best group of CB's in their stable?
  • Raiders
  • Eagles
  • Chargers
  • Seahawks
  • Cowboys
  • Broncos
  • Another Team Not Listed

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I wouldn't put the Cowboys first but

not 6th either. I am counting Pacman in, which would make the CB position one of the best in football. Can’t say where yet, but top 5 is not a stretch. I liked Jenkins better than Cason on draft day, and Scandrick has great upside. Henry isn’t perfect, but they got him to match up with larger receivers and if you have Pacman present for duty, you can pick your spots better with Henry. You also have to consider that Campo is hands down a better secondary coach than anyone the team has had in a while. Those bonehead break downs that made us grind our teeth in our sleep should also see improvement.

And the comment on Williams is gratuitous since the question wasn’t the secondary but rather CBs.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 31, 2008 3:33 PM CDT   0 recs

I'll concede the Williams thing to you

...but please understand that it was half tongue-in-cheek.

As for Pac Man, let’s put some perspective on that one. You have to like what you see in terms of quickness on film and his ability to play the ball, BUT, the guy wasn’t rated one of the top 5 CB’s in the conference when he first got into trouble AND he hasn’t seen a pair of cleats and a live tackling drill since he “made it rain”.

I think anyone who thinks Pac Man immediately adds value in the nickel (show me anyone who was out of football for more than a season and came back to be an impact player…Ricky Williams tried more than once) is only saying that because Dallas has no proven depth at the position and that makes for a very shaky argument. The fact is that our #3 CB is either a rook or a guy who is out of football shape. It may be better than having Reeves, but guessing how much better is just that, a guess.

I tried to evaluate this not from my personal standpoint as a Dallas fan, but a bit more objectively (i.e. how would Chad Johnson or Anquan Boldin rate the CB’s).

Love the commentary and keep it coming…

Also, please don’t forget to recommend it , so we get more votes in the poll.

by 5Blings on May 31, 2008 6:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pacman is undoubtedly talented

and with some work, he’d be the best number 3 in football. And Scandrick / Jenkins are probably superior to N. Jones / Reeves. So if you improve the number 11 defense of last year, I think they’ll be quite good. Of course it’s impossible to know how good, but I think the CB position is now a strength and one of the best in football.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on May 31, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Recommend it. It is a great post!

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent post!

For reals, great job with the breakdowns. But you know I have to disagree, especially about the Cowboys. As it stands, without Pacman, Dallas is definitely better than the Broncos and a bit better than the Seahawks. If Henry stays healthy, then we’re probably better than the Chargers. Raiders and Iggles are 1a and 1b.

Rankings without Pacman:

1a. Raiders
1b. Iggles
2. Cowboys
3. Chargers
4. Seahawks
5. Broncos (??)

With Pacman, we join the Raiders and the Iggles in the top tier.

by accidental innuendo on May 31, 2008 3:37 PM CDT   1 recs

+1

Iggles- Brown, Samuel, and Sheppard-there isn’t a better trio
Well, not unless Pac-man is reinstated.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hall is...

O-VER-RA-TED CLAP, CLAP, CLAP CLAP CLAP

by quincyyyyy on May 31, 2008 4:18 PM CDT   0 recs

question

Where would you rank Hall?

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Hall is easily

top 15. Although I do agree with quincyyyyy that he is overrated. Out of the top 15, I’d say he’s somewhere after 12.

My popcorn's ready!

by CowboyBawler4 on May 31, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hall

I have him in the 10 range. This year will be a telling season for him since he is going to a team with a top 10 defense against the pass.

Anyone hear the Wade Phillips interview on sirius this morning?

I heard him say he has never heard a strong safety cover skills so highly discussed. That’s is all I was able to catch.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course the coaches are going to defend him in public

In addition, I have never heard of a SS with a $30 million contract being benched on passing downs.

by quincyyyyy on May 31, 2008 7:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you factor in all the Dallas depth (including The Pacman)

Dallas is #1

You could make a good argument for The Iggles and Raiders (although who is their 3rd CB)
The rest of them are not close.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on May 31, 2008 5:03 PM CDT   0 recs

why

do you say that? because it’s different than your rankings?

for some positions, it’s pointless to talk about depth – “our #3 RB is way better than yours, etc.” because that guy will almost never play. But in talking about CB’s, your #3CB is going to be in on tons of plays, and your #4 or even #5 may get tested on critical plays – usually 3rd or 4th downs. I think it’s very fair to take a hard look at guys #3 and #4, maybe even #5.

I think you started a good post and maybe you can include some better discussion than just calling people homer…

by Scoobay on May 31, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I was joking and thought you would take it as such...

I’m new to this and don’t yet know which things people get touchy about, so please excuse my ignorance.

by 5Blings on May 31, 2008 8:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh

not touchy – and as you can see, your original ‘homer’ reply was directed at Tom and not me.

by Scoobay on May 31, 2008 9:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The #3 in Oakland is

Stanford Routt, from the University of Houston (for all of you Cougar fans out there) who started 14 games for them last season. He’s solid, if unspectacular.

by 5Blings on May 31, 2008 8:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd take Henry or Jenkins over Routt

I have been called worse than a homer, but in this case I don’t see a deeper stable of CB’s than Dallas has right now.
If you include The Pacman among Dallas’ roster, that gives us Newman, Pacman, Henry, Jenkins and Scandrick. I think it would be hard to find a better corp of DB’s in the NFL if you look at the depth.

I should have included SD in the top 4, I forgot about Cason being drafted. But I still put Dallas as #1.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 1:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just so I understand...

You would take a guy who has never played an NFL down (Jenkins) over a 3-year vet and last year’s starter (Routt) and that would be your justification for ranking Dallas over the Raiders?

If so, my problem with your position is as follows;

Asomugha = Newman
Hall >>> Henry
Routt >> Jenkins

Thus, Raiders > Cowboys in the CB department.

Now, the whole Pac Man thing could change the formula, but right now, this is the only comparison I could make.

Am I missing something here?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

i was thinking the same thing.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well your missing Pacman

It’s pretty clear, if you would have read my post instead of automatically defending your personal choice of the Raiders. I get it, you like Routt, I don’t know anything about the guy but I wouldn’t rule out Jenkins being a better corner. Was Routt considered the in the top 3 CB’s in his draft class?

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what does it matter..

what routt’s draft day grade was or what not. Scouts dont always call it right people bust that shouldbe good and vice versa.. so just because jenkins was top 3 in his draft class proves very little… Routt has actually played in the NFL and succeded.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jun 1, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just asking a question friend

I would take Jenkins over Routt, if you don’t agree, you don’t need to attack my answer to someone elses comment.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Im not "attacking" anything

You said you would take an unproven rookie over a guy who is obviously a good NFL corner. I dont understand just like i didnt understand trade Barber for someone who hasnt played a NLF snap(DMAC).

Sorry if i hurt your feelings(sincere) but i was just trying to provide some discussion here as my point or side of the fence is i dont think Cowboys are in the top 5 of corners and fans should wait and see if our 2 rookies and Adam can make it in the NFL. Just because someone says they are good doesnt mean they will be good come game time its very hard to evaluate NFL talent.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jun 1, 2008 5:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No hurt feelings here

5Blings asked me why I would rank Dallas above Oakland, I was including Pacman, so Jenkins would be the 4th CB, that’s pretty impressive depth when you can list your 1st round pick (and top rated drafted CB) as #4.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can count himin the mix but the fact is that NO ONE

...knows what Pac Man will or won’t be able to do after such a long layoff. It seems foolhardy to assume he comes in and takes over the nickel spot on day 1 after all the Doritos and Mountain Dew he’s had for 18 months.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As Jerry said

Pacman is not in game day shape, but neither is anyone else at this point.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good write up...I'd switch Dallas and Seattle though..and SD and Philly

At this point, I’d rate the top CB teams like this:

Oakland
San Diego
Philly
Dallas
Denver
Seattle

This is of course just the top two starters for each team….You have to go with Dallas for overall depth…......pending Pacman’s reinstatement.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 31, 2008 6:58 PM CDT   0 recs

No way...

Philly has three proven CB’s of very high caliber, including 2 pro bowlers. SD has one pro bowler with one career year so far, and a good #2 and an unproven #3.

Samuel, Sheppard and Brown > Cromartie, Jammer and Cason

by 5Blings on May 31, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Jammer is ok, he finally stepped up a little last year, but he is not great by any means.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 9:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jammer was toast 2 years ago playing alongside Florence

but it’s amazing what playing with a stud CB opposite you and some over the top safety help can do for your confidence.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you guys also have to consider behind

our top three we also have Jenkins and Scandrick as our 4th and 5th corners. I think from top to bottom of the CB depth chart we arguably have the best CB corps in the league.

by quincyyyyy on May 31, 2008 7:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Anyone thinking Hall is a top 15 corner needs to do a little research. He is NOT.
Hall is ALL flash and very little substance. He is about the best arguement (after Roy) for the pro bowl meaning NOTHING.
With Pacman, who in his last year playing steadily improved into at least a top 10 corner, and Tnew who is arguably in the top 3, adding to that Henry who when healthy is very solid, our top 3 is frankly right there at the top of the NFL. I frankly do not see any other trio better.

by burmafrd1944 on May 31, 2008 9:47 PM CDT   0 recs

Deck the HALLS...
Anyone thinking Hall is a top 15 corner needs to do a little research. He is NOT

Hmmm.. What kind of research are you suggesting? because I watch the games. Yes he has been beat before, but who hasn’t.. He is top 15! He is top 10 my opinion, but no lower then 15. No way.

I see where people say he is over-rated, some publications, and fans have him as an elite corner. I think there are maybe 3-5 elite, but he is the next tier of good to great corner.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 10:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who are the 3-5 elite CBs in the league?

I’m not doubting the numbers. . .but I think if we mapped them out, we’d find more than 3-5 actually.

Bailey, Newman, Asomugha, Shephard, Samuel, R. Mathis, Cromartie is outstanding. . .I think all six can be labeled as elite. Others?

Bum's Boy Boyz

by JerrodWheeler on May 31, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have 5

Bailey
Newman
Samuel
Asmougha

Shephard oft injured, has played a full season since in 3 years.
R. Mathis sorry not elite. I think he is good, not great.
Cromartie-body of work too small

I have it a 4.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

People bashing D Hall are more about his off-the-field stuff than his play (the T.O. Halo Effect).

Hall is a top cover guy and every GM has him rated that way. However, not every GM wants him on their team.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not at all

I would bash Hall for his ON the field activity that isn’t necessarily related to his play. The guy is selfish, stupid, and arrogant. He racked up, what, 60+ yards in penalties in a single drive last year? He gets burned repeatedly too. KC Joyner has had some interesting columns breaking down exactly how overrated he is in terms of allowing big plays.

The guy has tremendous physical gifts, but I would rather have Anthony Henry if I’m a coach/teammate. I’m not joking.

by grapejoos on Jun 1, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I bash Hall

because he gets beat like a drum

by quincyyyyy on Jun 1, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you help me with some references to who actually burned him that bad and when?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 6:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He got taken to the tool shed against the Giants last season and us

the season before that. Just every time I have seen him I have been very very unimpressed to put it lightly.

by quincyyyyy on Jun 1, 2008 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

**

Shephard oft injured, hasn’t played a full season since in 3 years.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on May 31, 2008 11:33 PM CDT   0 recs

Neither has T.O.

But that doesn’t make him any less a great player in my mind.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Some truth

TO played a full season 2 years ago and only missed one game last year. Sheppard on the other hand has missed an average of 4 games over the last 3 years. That is 25% of the teams games, that is different then missing one game in two seasons.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

Sheppard wouldn’t have been dangled as trade bait if he wasn’t so injury prone.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I watch the games too. I also read what Joyner puts up and frankly anyone thinking Hall is top 10 is drunk or delusional.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 1, 2008 2:46 AM CDT   0 recs

We disagree!

I am fine with that. All I know is this will be a telling season for him. Oakland has a quality secondary, whoever is getting toasted next season will stick out like a sore thumb. I will ear mark my calender to re-visit this debate during the Dallas bye week.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In that article he says Newman is over rated- which was hilarious because at that time he had never been to a pro bowl. I have noticed that Joyner while having a lot of very good info sometimes gets tunnel vision so you should never take what he says as your only source. He isolates every position and does not consider such things like for the CB whether the team has a good pass rush or not. However he is dead on right on Hall.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 1, 2008 2:56 AM CDT   0 recs

Hold on!!

He makes sense when it proves your point and had has tunnel vision when you disagree?

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Henry

I personally believe that A. Henry is not nearly as respected as he should be. I believe the only knock you can have on him is that he is injury prone. The man was leading the League in interceptions last year before he got hurt, and the year before that he was banged up all season. Is he a top 5 corner in the league, NO, but he is at least as good as a Jammer or Bly in my opinion. Just my two cents.

by cowboyfan on Jun 1, 2008 5:41 AM CDT   0 recs

I would take a healthy Henry over Hall.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 1, 2008 7:19 AM CDT   0 recs

Wow.

We disagree, again. Ok, so where do to you rank Henry overall? What about Hall?

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Man, would I like to have you in my fantasy league!!!

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me 2.

I finished top 3 in all four my leagues. Please send me the invite, I know my stuff.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 1, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont get it

Yes we are all Cowboy fans but to say cowboys are top 5 in CBs is crazy in my book. Come on Henry cant stay injury free, Adam Jones hasnt played football in 18months, and then theres two rookies that havent done anything. So the cowboys have one top flight corner but he is aging and got hurt last year, their other starter is even older and gets hurt more, and then its basically 3 rookies behind them. No one knows how Adam jones or the rooks will pan out so to assume they are going to turn out for the better is being a little homerish.

C’mon if every DB the cowboys drafting was going to pan out we wouldnt be talking about this. Yeah they look good now but lets hold off putting the cowboys DBs above proven ones like the eagles(#1 in my book) raiders seahawks or broncos( champ is THE best)

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jun 1, 2008 10:17 AM CDT   0 recs

Agree

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Call me crazy then

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are just being optimistic about a guy who hasnt played in 18months and about 2 rookies who havent played an NFL snap. Its nice to hope but i wouldnt get your hopes up haha.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jun 1, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll admit it

My hopes are as high as they’ve ever been for the Cowboys, and a big part is due to the CB depth we’ll have. But seriously when Pacman gets back in shape he’s 10x better than Reeves. Jenkins is already better than Reeves and Jones, and this Scandrick kid might be the cherry on top.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 1, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Points

Kinda makes me wander how excited people were about Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones when they were drafted.

by WB3forMB3 on Jun 2, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jones and Reeves

Weren’t 1st round picks.

by Mandmeisterx on Jun 2, 2008 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jones and Reeves were 7th rounders

The Red Ball Express will be rolling this year!

by BulletBob on Jun 2, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can answer that one - Nobody was excited (besides their family and friends)

A couple of no name guys who somehow clung on to the team for 4 years.

Big difference between drafting a top rated CB in the 1st round and a couple no name guys in the 7th round.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 2, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still have high hopes for 7th rounders Courtney Brown...and to a lesser degree Allan Ball has a chance to stick as our 6th CB

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Jun 2, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This was my point

I wasn’t trying to say that the hopes for Reeves and Jones compared to someone like Mike Jenkins and Adam Jones. But it does seem like most fans get excited about pretty much every pick. And talk about how some teams had those picks rated as 4th rounders or 5th rounders. And how they could be the potential “steal of the draft”. Much like people are saying Scandrick, a 5th rounder, could be the steal of the draft. There’s always specualtion and high hopes. Heck, we are still exhibiting high hopes for last years 7th rounders.

by WB3forMB3 on Jun 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hope springs eternal

But again, there is a difference even between 4th and 5th round picks and the 7th round picks. I don’t think “most” fans were excited by anything past the 4th or 5th, except the draftniks. (I include myself in that category, so not knocking ‘em)

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 3, 2008 6:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never had that feeling when we drafted

Skyler Green or Fasano or Steinback

by BigE on Jun 3, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From now on, you are known as "ACrazyStar" ;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Jun 1, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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