Coach Wade's Status After this Season

by Valainferno on May 5, 2008 4:48 PM CDT Comment 22 comments

Let me preface this by saying that I was not a big fan of the hiring of Wade Philips in the first place. Though I do have to say his laid back personality may have been the best thing for the team after Parcell's iron-fisted rule. He's a great defensive mind, but he seems more like the Campo/Switzer type coach than the Jimmy Johnson/Tom Landry kind of guy who inspires confidence from the fans and the players.

My view now is that Wade just might be gone after this season regardless of whether he wins or loses in the playoffs this year. Wade's for sure gone if we miss the playoffs, and the odds are good that he'll be gone if we have another first round loss.

If we have success, other teams are going to come calling for Garrett. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather push Wade out the door to keep Garrett, especially when you consider that Wade may only be coaching for another couple of years. I believe Wade's contract is up after this year anyway (with an option for a third year), so maybe we just don't renew. I'm just curious as to what everyone else thinks about this.

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depends on Garrett

if he’s ok staying on as OC then why shake things up if we win it this year? Wade does bring lots of experience and know-how on the 3-4 and i’d like to see what happens with another year of the Phillips 34. so hopefully, we take it all this year and keep everything the same and go for two in a row or more. The last time we shook things up with the head coach after back to back SB victories… well, we’ll never know what would have happened.

i think the big key is Garrett though as you say…

by Scoobay on May 5, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Forced

If I was forced to make a decision, I would take Garrett over Wade. His Youth is huge, I think he could be our Bill Cower or Jeff Fisher (Our coach for 10+ years). We can keep Stewart on as DC..

I would hope they could make it work with Garret remaing as OC, since Garrett makes more then a lot of head coahces.

by Wmillion on May 5, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it will be Garrett after this season, no matter what

I like Wade, and I am sad to be saying this because the guy deserves better, but I think he’s gonna be gone after this year regardless. If Dallas misses the playoffs or loses their first playoff game (aka their first round in any logical person’s mind), he’ll be gone for failing to deliver. If they go deep in the playoffs and don’t win the Super Bowl, Garrett will likely be hotly pursued again, and the only way to keep him would be to make him HC. I think we all know that Garrett is going to be HC if it’s the only way to keep him. And, if they win the Super Bowl, not only will Garrett be hotly pursued, but Wade may feel fulfilled and retire (or at least, that’s what Jerry will try to talk him into).

Now, it’s not unprecedented that Garrett could still stay as OC after a SB win (look at the Giants), but I would find it very unlikely.

Hopefully we’ll be on the positive end of the spectrum when Wade goes, but this is his last chance in Dallas unless Garrett does some serious backstabbing. I think Wade is the right coach for this team right now, though he has to do a better job of keeping the focus this year. I imagine that’ll be easier, because it’s unlikely the Boys will run off the same record to lock up the division so early (not that the team isn’t better, but the schedule is harder).

by grapejoos on May 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wade's gone after this one

If we win the Super Bowl, Wade will retire in a blaze of glory, finally proving that he COULD win playoff games.

If we don’t win the Super Bowl, Jerry will fire him, and promote Garrett.

The only way I can see Wade in the Cowboy’s future is if he is kept on as a “vice president in charge of defensive football operations.” Something more than DC, but Garrett would still be the HC.

by sprprsnmn on May 5, 2008 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

To play devil's advocate

how does it not also fall on the OC if we do poorly in the playoffs. Everybody is assuming we should just promote him to HC if we fire Wade because of a bad ending to the year, but won’t some of the blame go to Garrett if we don’t perform?

Either way, here is to hoping we just win the Superbowl and deal with the ramifications afterwards!

by geetar85 on May 5, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It would depend on how we broke down

But ultimately Garrett is the hot commodity and until he becomes a HC and fails, that upside will blind owners to all else.

Hopefully it’s not something we won’t have to worry about!

by grapejoos on May 5, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

both

one thing i like about wade is that he is having fun with the game and is willing to show it. like romo. it makes it more fun to watch. but of course that only goes so far, and winning is the thing. got a lot of that last year, but not the one that counted most.

if i had to choose after this season, i’d take jason, but of course i’d rather have both of them. that wade could be gone either way may be true, but i like the idea of him being “VP of defense” type position. i have no idea if that even exists or what it would mean, but if wade lost again and no one really wanted him at HC elsewhere, would he possibly take a demotion to DC or some VP position, to be able to stay with the cowboys?

by scottmaui on May 5, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah, Wade's a goner either way

If he fails to win the SB with this stacked team, Jerry will fire him in a heartbeat.

If the Cowboys win the SB, he’ll retire on top at the request of Jerry because he knows Garrett will be too hot of a commodity.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 5, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This Wade bashing is pathetic......

It was Garrett’s offense over that last quarter of the season that lost it for us…not Wade’s defense…........JC isn’t going anywhere, as he has one year of coaching offense under his belt., and makes more than half the HC’s in the league….........and neither is Wade….who has been given only one year to transform the defense…....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on May 5, 2008 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not hatin on Coach

I think Wade Philips is the best thing to happen to the Cowboys in a long time. I just think he’s a setting star, and Garrett is the rising.

by sprprsnmn on May 6, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No bashing here

Boyz, I am a big supporter of Wade, but the writing is on the wall that he leaves after this year. The only scenario I can imagine him staying is if Dallas wins the Super Bowl (or MAYBE loses it in a close game) and Garrett is convinced to stay on ala Spagnuolo. Any time there is a chance of losing Garrett, Wade will be out.

by grapejoos on May 6, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garrett isn't going anywhere.....He's locked in long term...top dollar.

AND….Jerry WILL NOT give permission for anyone to talk to him…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on May 6, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garrett and other teams don't need Jerry's permission

to seek a HC job, that only applies to lateral moves.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 7, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's the associate Head Coach now....and yes...teams would have to seek permission...

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on May 7, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats not true as its still not a lateral move

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 7, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

in any event...JG isn't going anywhere.....count on it..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

by BoyzRback on May 7, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guartantee you that if some team

makes him a great offer to become HC after, he’ll take it, you can count on that.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 8, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garrett made some pretty key mistakes down the stretch and in the playoff game

Most notably not putting Romo under center more against the Giants when it became clear that Gurode had lost the ability to consistently fire a crisp snap in the shotgun. He developed a case of the yips and was floating the ball back there with negative consequences. The Giants already had a great pass rush and Gurode’s inability was affecting all aspects of our offense.

And if we needed to stay in the shotgun to be effective he should have gone to the back-up C.

by Ailuridae on May 7, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that would have mattered in the outcome at all

high snaps isn’t the reason our offense didn’t get it done against the GMen, that blame can be put on our OL for failing to run and pass block in the second half as well as dropped passes and route running mistakes made by our receivers.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 7, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and I agree....Garrett did not call a good game in the second half.....the last 4 games...actually..

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by BoyzRback on May 7, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it depends on Garrett's ambition

The opportunities will be there for him to become head coach somewhere, but I’m hoping he is comfortable where he is. I would like Wade to be back after this year with Garret as OC. If Garrett knows what is good for him he will sit tight and keep learning from Wade’s experience.

by bluewolf021 on May 6, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs