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I hope everybody is now caught up with the goings-on at Valley Ranch. Kind of an exciting time in Big D, well, as exciting as an offseason can possibly be. The team returns to work today with the first of three scheduled OTA’s with only Wednesday’s practice open to the media.

Where We Stand

  • T.O. is now a Cowboy for life. Meaning whatever is left of T.O.’s playing days will be spent with the star on his helmet. Players tend to be associated with the teams that they played for earlier in their careers, the teams where they made their initial mark on the NFL consciousness. This doesn’t appear to be the case for T.O., especially if the Cowboys can capture a Super Bowl with T.O. in the lineup. The change in his public persona, the production on the field and the high-profile nature of playing for the Cowboys seems to dictate that when it’s all said and done, T.O. will be thought of as a Cowboy. And that’s the way he wants it. Those long ago days when some of us dreaded the idea of singing T.O. and the cancer he might bring to the locker room have been swept away into the dustbin of history.
  • Can history repeat itself? Can another player, although on a distinctly different level than T.O., repair his image and his life in Dallas? That’s the question we now face as Pacman Jones has been cleared to participate in all activities save the regular season and that’s just a formality as long as Pacman stays out of trouble. Ah, stay out of trouble. That’s what it’s all about with Pacman and opinions definitely vary on that topic.

For a decidedly non-believer’s point of view, I give you this Michael Silver column at Yahoo Sports.  He relays all the past excuses that Pacman used in Tennessee to explain away his poor attitude and decision-making in his time there. Like this:

Asked for an example, the player cited a morning shortly before the start of the ‘06 season on which Jones showed up at the team’s facility and told his coaches he couldn’t participate in practice. "He said he was sick – I don’t know if he was hungover or what," the ex-teammate said. "He was lying there on the training table looking terrible, so they sent him home. That night he got in trouble at a club at 2 a.m. (after allegedly spitting in the face of a female patron whom he said had taken his wallet). He showed up the next day saying, ‘Oh man, they’re targeting me. She stole my wallet.’ We’re like, ‘Forget who stole your wallet. What the hell were you doing out at 2 a.m. when you were supposed to be sick?’ "

Valid point and exactly the kind of thing he needs to overcome here in Dallas. For me, the biggest question is does he really get that this is his last chance? I’ve heard him say it and I’ve heard others say that he knows this, but does he really get it deep-down in his gut?

JJT thinks he gets it in this article and he says that Pacman is intelligent enough to know what’s going on. He’s no dumb-jock stereotype and offers this as proof.

He scored 1150 on his SAT and decided on West Virginia instead of Georgia Tech on the day he signed his national letter of intent. They don't let dummies into Georgia Tech.

Ha! Best proof ever! Little did I know that Pacman Jones was almost a Yellow Jacket. My alma mater and Pacman Jones? I don’t know if that would’ve worked. Pacman grew up in the Atlanta area so he would’ve been very close to some of the friends he probably needed to leave behind. Also, anybody who knows Atlanta knows that we are at the tops in the nation in churches per capita and strip clubs per capita. The dichotomy is part of our nature here.

But then Matt Mosley picks up on the theme of Pacman's intelligence and says this:

This is based, in part, on the fact that he scored an 1150 on the SAT was accepted to (wait for it) Georgia Tech. Listen, I realize it's a good school, but let's not go overboard.

Them is fighting words!

  • On to another timely topic at Valley Ranch. Greg Ellis met with Wade Phillips to clear the air. I tell you what, the air must be smoggy at Valley Ranch, first Roy had to clear it and now Greg. But it’s all kumbaya now and Greg might show up for OTA’s. 

Ellis' agent, James Williams, said the meeting was productive and his client is receptive to returning to practice.

"Everyone is on the same page," Williams said.

The Star-T takes a look  at the situation from the other guy’s point of view. That guy being Anthony Spencer who is being groomed to replace the aging Ellis at some point in the near future. 

"He's always cool to me," Spencer said. "Whenever I've got a question, I ask him. We talk to each other daily. I sit right behind him in meetings. I definitely don't feel any animosity between the two of us."

Meanwhile. BTB-regular scottmaui is still pushing for a Jason Taylor/Greg Ellis trade. I can’t get behind that right now because Taylor says he only wants to play one more year. Better to stick with what you know than shake it up for only a one-year commitment.

  • All eyes will be looking to see if Greg Ellis and Pacman Jones participate in the OTA today. Later on this afternoon, Terrell Owens will hold a press conference to talk about his new contract. We're also waiting on the resolution of the Terry Glenn injury contract situation. And don't forget, Ken Hamlin still isn't practicing and must be wondering when his long-term contract is coming. Can Jerry/Stephen get him done before the season or will Hamlin have to play on the franchise tender? Chris Canty is in a similar position but is practicing at Valley Ranch.

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So now that we’ve signed Romo, Newman, MB3, and T.O. among others to long-term contracts, who is left? The DMN blog answers that question

Up after 2008
WR Miles Austin*
C/G Joe Berger
DE Stephen Bowen*
LB Kevin Burnett
OT Marc Colombo
TE Tony Curtis*
WR Sam Hurd*
NT Tank Johnson
CB Evan Oglesby*
C/G Cory Procter*

Up after 2009
OLB Greg Ellis
DE Jason Hatcher
CB Anthony Henry
QB Brad Johnson
OT Pat McQuistan
OLB Justin Rogers*
DE Marcus Spears
OLB DeMarcus Ware
S Pat Watkins

·        -- Would be a restricted free agent in this case

Give me your take on who we sign and don’t sign from that group.

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just to clarify

I’m not really pushing the Ellis-Taylor trade. Yes, the thought of a Ware/Taylor pass rush combo is enticing, but as I said I think Ellis is great and I hope he is happy and productive in Dallas. I was, however, making note of the fact that it is reported that Taylor would be willing to take less $ to play one last year in Dallas, which seems a significant factor to consider in discussing whether a trade would even be feasible. That’s all.

by scottmaui on Jun 3, 2008 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who to sign?

First off we MUST RESIGN DEMARCUS WARE!!!!!! That goes without saying. Here’s my list. This is based on today. After this season this could change dramatically. Anyway here it goes.

2008 FA’s
OUT: Mles Austin, Joe Berger, Stephen Bowan, Tony Curtis & Evan Oglesby
IN: Kevin Burnett, Marc Columbo, Sam Hurd, Tank Johnson & Cory Procter

2009 FA’s
OUT: Greg Ellis, Anthony Henry, Brad Johnson, Justin Rogers & Marcus Spears
IN: Jason Hatcher, Pat McQuistan & Pat Watkins

by bbuck822 on Jun 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FA's

I say we sign both Austin and Hurd if they show improvement this year.

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Year So Far, but

Canty and Hamlin – we need them both.
This year will let us know whether to keep Austin and/or Hurd, and Burnett, Bowen
We need under contract 2008: Colombo, Tank Johnson, and Proctor.
A coin toss on Berger, and Curtis.

2009: we need WARE, Spears and Watkins.
Ellis will depend on Spencer development. The nest two years will tell us about Hatcher and McQuistan

I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys

by stxshooter on Jun 3, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ware

Try to work out something with Canty. The rest are expendable.

Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."

by TheBZA on Jun 3, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2009 FAs

I think who we should sign obviously depends on how well they perform this season. If guys like Austin, Bowen, Johnson, and Hurd have breakout years, Jerry will sign them. If not, they will be let go to test FA waters.

I personally would target Burnett as the key FA of that group, as I think he should be the eventual successor to Zak Thomas at WILB spot.

I think Colombo is the odd man out next season as McQuistan should be cheaper and almost as productive.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I want to hold on to Burnett too, but I think Bobby C will take over for Zach.

Burnett is type of player you know will kill if given an oppurtunity play full time..

"Why everything that's supposed to be bad, Make me feel so good?"

by Wmillion on Jun 3, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

I don’t know what I’ll do if we let Burnett go after this season. I’ve seen flashes of greatness from his play on the field the last few years, and I know (like Wmillion) he’d tear up the joint if given a full-time gig.

Ware, Ham, Burnett, Canty are the guys I hope we lock up in the next two seasons.
I’d also love to see Hurd, Tank, Hatcher and Watkins locked up as well.

by no1cowboysfan on Jun 3, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If cap-possible:

Re-sign, in order of priority:

Ware
Columbo (assuming Free/Marten can’t take over)
Burnett
Tank
Ellis
Spears

The rest can go. I’d take most of them back for no more than what they’re currently making.

by grapejoos on Jun 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think McQ is backing up Colombo

and would be his successor if not re-signed. Looks like Marten’s future is LG and Free’s is LT.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saw that report also from Spags blog

I don’t see Colombo getting a fat contract, wasn’t he already posturing for a new contract?

Interesting that they moved Marten to LG, Dallas will have some serious beef on the left side if that move pans out.

I think Spears is out. Unless he moves inside, or drastically improves, there’s no reason to keep him.
I doubt Ellis will be re-signed. By that time Spencer will fill that spot.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jun 3, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say from the list

1) Ellis is gone after this season no question about it. He may not make the 2008 season if he is traded to Miami for Taylor. Let the cry baby go and finish his career in Miami with a rebuilding team.

2) Spears is not worth the money to resign for the production we are getting.

3) Columbo solid player, but is probably expendable with Mcquistan and the other OL we have behind him.

4) Burnett is getting up in age and hasn’t shown he can stay healthy. Unless he can be resigned dirt cheap I don’t see him getting a new contract.

5) Tank Johnson. This is going to be his make or break season. He needs to have a good year to get a new contract.

6) Henry is released after the seaon unless he is moved to safety.

7) Ware. No question he get’s a new contract.

8) Jason Hatcher get’s resigned and will be Spencer’s backup in 2009. He should make good progress this season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 3, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is definitely a question about it

Ellis will play out his contract and then be let go, which will be after the 2009 season.

By that time Spencer should be ready to be a full time starter.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 4, 2008 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way

Ellis for Taylor is all over the radio. Were there is smoke there is fire. Taylor has already said he would re-do his contract if he was traded to Dallas and even said he would consider playing more than one season if he went to Dallas. I’ll take Taylor over Ellis all day every day, even at his age.

Even if Ellis isn’t traded, this is his last season. Ellis is going to be nothing more than a role player this season. Used on 3rd downs and special packages. I don’t know why you don’t understand that. Spencer will be getting more snaps than Ellis this season and will be the full time starter in 2009 with Hatcher backing him up. I don’t know how clearer that can be spelled out for you. The organization in already on record saying Ellis is being moved to 3rd downs so that means decreased playing time.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 4, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh?

sorry, i missed something but Jason Hatcher is being moved from DE to OLB?

by Scoobay on Jun 4, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis is the starter

why is it you can’t understand that? I’ve heard the wind blow before Boyz, like there was no way we would pay Newman 8 mil a year at his age.

I know you’re clueless when you have Hatcher playing OLB, LOL!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 4, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hatcher is

Athletic enough to play both DE and OLB. He could be moved to OLB opposite Spencer next season. Something they were kicking around on Cowboys.com recently. I don’t know if that would happen, but it’s possible. I think he would be better served replacing Spears at DE next season.

As far as Newman, I think the possible termination of the CBA in 2010 had somehting to do with him getting a new deal as quick as he did. This was mentioned by Mickey on Cowboys.com. If they waited a couple of more days they could’ve only signed MB3 and Newman to a max of 5 years, not 7 like they received. If not for this, I think he wouldn’t have received a new contract until the off season possibily. In the end I’m happy for him. He should be a solid player for the next 2-3 years. I really want Jerry to lock up Hamlin because he is a vital part of the secondary.

Ellis is done man, let it go. If he is not traded he will be released at the end of the season. Time to turn it over to the future and that’s Spencer.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 4, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why don't you accept the fact

that Ellis is much better than Spencer right now and its not even close. Ellis will not be traded and will play out his contract, count on it!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 4, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah sure if he is that

much better why are they planning on starting Spencer on first and second downs and Ellis on third downs?

Ellis is long in the tooth. We know it and so does the coaching staff. He wore down the stretch and he didn’t even play a 16 game season. Spencer is more than ready and will be the primary OLB come September. We didn’t draft Spencer for him to sit the bench.

Spencer is not going to be another Carpenter. Jerry wants his first round picks to be major players on this team which is why they are making this move.

Terry man, time to let go. Ellis is on his way out and it could be sooner than you think if the rumors are true him being traded to Miami.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 5, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boyz

I think you’re misreading what the Cowboys said. Wade said Ellis is the starter, the plan for Spencer to play on more downs was for the OTA’s and preseason, not the regular season. They want to save Ellis from the wear and tear of the preseason so he’ll be fresh for the regular season. Both Wade and Brian Stewart have said that. I’m not weighing in on Ellis vs. Spencer here, but the Cowboys at this time are not planning to start Spencer in the regular season, they’ve made it clear Ellis is the starter.

by Dave Halprin on Jun 5, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I thought you or someone else

posted they want Spencer to play on first and second downs and Ellis to come in on third downs and some special packages. Wasn’t this posted with in the last 3 or 4 days?

Spencer is going to get alot more playing time regardless. Ellis wore down the stretch and his time is short here. We have to get players like Spencer who we drafted to replace Ellis more playing time. Spencer has all the tools and now is the time to show them.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 5, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I found it
The Cowboys have informed Ellis that they would like to make him a pass-rush specialist and use Spencer on first and second down.

That quote sounds like they are cutting down his playing time and making him a 3rd down pass rusher only.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 5, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was from a Clarence Hill article

but he doesn’t reference a specific source for that statement. Subsequently Wade made it clear that Ellis was the starter and they wanted to cut down on his reps in practice. So for right now, the Cowboys brass say this was only for practice but that Ellis is still the starter.

by Dave Halprin on Jun 5, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder when jerry is going to show nick folk some love

by Zak on Jun 3, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

when his current contract expires

and he shows his rookie season was no fluke.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 3, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no love for Brad Johnson?

He must have loads of great years ahead of him

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Jun 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The TO contract opens speculation

... what are they planning to do with the extra Cap room for this year? There’s always the possibility that we could still chase a WR, but I would be happier to see us use the $$ to sign both Canty and Hamlin. Both of these guys were solid contributors to the D last year, and filling the Cap this year can only help relieve pressure on future years.

Jerry must be planning to do SOMETHING with that extra Cap room… I can’t wait to see what that might be.

Tar Heels football will surprise this year

by DalaiLuke on Jun 3, 2008 10:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More money to resign Hamlin and Canty probably

Were not traded for a Wr this year. Were going to have to wait until next year when Roy Williams is a UFA. Maybe even make a play for Boldin also.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 4, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

how do you know we're not....

you keep making very bold statements like you’re the GM…...with the TG situation where it is, I think it’s very possible that we trade for one with the extra cap money…...

by slash on Jun 5, 2008 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much money you think we have..lol

Training camps are right around the corner so if a move was to be made don’t you think it would’ve been done by now? We are fine at WR this season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jun 5, 2008 12:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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