Can Talent Alone Help The Cowboys Win?
Do the Dallas Cowboys have enough talent to go all the way to the Super Bowl and win? Absolutely, they have the most talented team in the league right now. Just look at our 13 Pro Bowlers. (Some people say not to include Roy Williams, but hey, the fans had a vote in this as well)
We had a talented team last year and the year before. Did those help the Cowboys win a Super Bowl? No, they couldn't even win a playoff game.
So, I ask again, can talent alone help the Cowboys win? There is a lot more than talent to help a team be successful. The Cowboys need to tap into those other resources to get them over the top.
Teamwork: The most important resource I believe in is teamwork. Cowboys are working together better than they have before. They are closely working the running game, passing game, and doing better at getting pressure on the defense. Last year, the weak spot was in the secondary. Was the problem that there was no teamwork chemistry? Newman was injured but played through his foot injury but did miss some games. Anthony Henry was injured with a pulled hamstring. How well did those backups work together? Was Roy on the same page?
The Cowboys secondary is improved talent-wise, let's hope they are working together to strengthen that part of the team. The safety position maybe the weakest position, but I believe they are working hard to improve on that.
Experience: Every starting player from last year has returned. We only lost Jacques Reeves, Akin Ayodele, Oliver Hoyte and Julius Jones. That means our roster is gaining in experience. With that experience, it also helps the teamwork.
Determination: 13-3? That was Wade Phillips answer to a lot a questions from the media before the the playoff game. We are all 13-3. I got so tired of him saying that. At the end of last season, the Cowboys were determined to be 13-3. They were not determined to go 16-3 to win the Super Bowl.
This season, it is imperative that they finish strong in December and play strong in the playoffs. If they want to be the #1 seed again in the NFC, they will have to prove they deserve it and win.
Talent can help win games, but there are a lot more factors to get them all the way. It is my hope that the team is focused properly in their preparations for this season and have that continue on throughout the season.
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A very good point
I’ve been thinking this myself, the talent on this team is just immense, but whether that translates to winning has to do with intangible factors, and you’ve nailed some of the main ones. We just don’t know how it all comes together until we actually see them execute and win on the field.
I think teamwork and experience is especially important with the O-line, where we have not changed and have the most stability, and for them to have another year of chemistry could make a big difference. The O-line collapsing had a lot to do with the loss to the Giants.
Other factors…
Coaching
One additional area that I think is key is coaching, and in that regard we have made some big improvements from last year, e.g O-line and secondary, both in terms of the quality of the coaches and how they fit into Wade’s scheme. Plus the experience factor also applies to coaches, e.g. Garrett has a year of play calling to further develop as an OT.
Pacing
This seems a really hard thing to try to make happen, but peaking at the right time is huge. The Giants obviously peaked at the right time, and went roaring into the playoffs with confidence. The Cowboys weren’t the only team that peaked early. I think the Pats did also, and despite being undefeated and overwhelming favorites, they weren’t the powerhouse in the playoffs that they had been in the regular season. The made it to the SB, but in close games, and then lost of course.
Injuries
You alluded to this in teamwork, but of course this is the big unknown, can happen at any time to anyone. Having such depth at many positions means we could probably handle pretty well if most starters were injured, but if Romo or TO or Ware were knocked out, and maybe Flow, I’d say those might be the most significant that would really make a difference. Even with Ware we do have a solid backup in Spencer, but there’s a reason why Ware plays basically every snap on defense, and it would remove the option to have all three on the field at the same time . But it is the supreme talent at those positions that allows the really good talent everywhere else to excel, and if they were knocked out the team would certainly struggle more to manifest the talent in wins.
I think you're three are infinetely more important than his three
Assuming we’re discounting talent for the moment.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 6, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you're both forgetting the most important one of all.
Luck
I know you can say it about almost every game, but the Giants really were one or two plays away from losing their last three playoff games. And in the Cowboys and Pats games, they were plays that should have been made. If Crayton doesn’t drop that huge third down or pull up on that bomb from Romo, I have no doubt in my mind that we win that game. In the Super Bowl, if “the best corner in the league” Asante Samuel doesn’t drop an easy interception with like a minute to go, the infamous Tyree play never happens and Brady kneels out for victory. It really takes the stars aligning to win the Super Bowl. Whether you have the most talented team, or a team full of overachievers, Lady Luck has got to be on your side.
True.
This is tied into the injuries in a way. I like the theory that NFL teams/front offices are so good at putting teams together that outside of the top 3-5 teams and the bottom 3-5 teams, any team can beat any team talent wise. Which means that other factors do come into play, and one of those is most certainly luck.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 6, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
dropping balls doesn't really count as luck
but it definitely is a factor. the fact that the ball itself is not round means football more than any other game is literally subject to the “way the ball bounces” factor. But still this is not in a team’s control. Even injuries can be prevented to some extent, though certainly not entirely, through proper conditioning and coaching and preparation. And the rest of the factors are things you really do have control over.
agree on the injury issue...
that certain factors contribute to that aside from luck. Depth helps not only with replacing injured players, but depth can also help so that you can rotate players keeping them fresh and less likely to be injured. Better depth may also give you the luxury of letting an injured player recover fully rather than rushing them back from injury.
hmm… i guess depth relates to talent. oh well….
Good point.
This is a baseball example, but I think it’s easy to see the correlation. Do you know how many starting pitchers the average team uses in a season? You’d think it’d be 5-7ish. Turns out it’s more like 9-12 for most teams.
I know Peter King trumpets the idea that the best teams are not the ones who have the biggest stars, but the most quality players in case of injury. In this instance, you have to be pretty happy with the Cowboys this year, too. 3 good pass rushing OLB’s, 3 good ILB’s, 2 good NT’s, potentially 4 above average to good CB’s, potentially 2 good TE’s.
It’s a good time to be a Cowboys fan.
plus 3 good RBs
and this position I think it is especially important given MB3’s style. Having Choice as the third back who can finish off games more like the role MB3 played in second halves last year when we had a lead, to grind it out and eat the clock, will help keep MB3 healthy and fresh for the stretch.
I really hope that happens.
That would be the way to go, but who knows if that’s how they’ll do it. That was the one thing I worried about with Barber becoming the featured back. Would he run all first half, and still be asked to be the finisher. I think he’s great at that, but I don’t think you could ask El Gato to tote the first half load, so this would be the best option, in my opinion.
it makes sense to me
they could alternate series like they did with JJ, only with MB3 starting, but I bet they will also take advantage having both of them on the field at the same time more. And my guess may be that Choice will get mixed in to a limited extent during the first half to spell Barber, but will have more of that close-out role that basically Barber played last year.
talent alone can get you 12-14 wins
in the regular season but once the post season begins, you need more than talent to win a championship.
In Romo we Trust
Well...
It depends on your division. I don’t think the Patriots would have gone undefeated last year if they played in the AFC South (say, in place of Tenn/Hou) or NFC East (in place of the deadskins). I think it would be easier to get 14 wins in the AFC West this year than it will be to get 12/13 in the NFC East.
Again, luck plays a factor. If only we could get Al Davis to own the Eagles, that would make life a lot easier.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 6, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Good point Terry
and I am hoping the sting of last year gives these guys and Wade some extra fire come playoff time. The Giants surprised everyone last year and showed that the most talented team does not always win but the one who excutes the game plan and is the most hungry.
exactly, you have to peak in December and January
the best team doesn’t always win the SB, its the team that plays the best Dec-Feb.
In Romo we Trust
I think from a fan's perspective...
...talent is what you care about. If your front office can consistently put together talented teams, eventually you will get to a Superbowl. The early 2000’s Eagles could be an example of this, but I think Pittsburgh and Indianapolis are better examples. I don’t think those teams that won superbowls this decade were their most talented teams, but they have put together talented teams for so long, it’s not a surprise that they finally broke through. That’s why you’ll see me advocating signing players at premium positions (QB, WR, CB) over those that aren’t (RB, RB, RB, OG). Even though I admit that I was wrong about how LG worked out for us, the salary cap makes it hard to consistently pay non-premium positions premium money. And since long-term success is the best way to get to the Superbowl, cap management is important.
And the good news is, from the Parcells hire forward, I have had confidence in the front office.
Teamwork is important, but I think a better word for it would be chemistry. Players liking each other makes it easier to work longer hours, and more importantly, makes it likely that they won’t blow up at each other after a bad loss. Every team has to work together at a basic level, so I think chemistry might be a better word for it.
I think you get most of the experience you need after playing 2-3 years in the NFL (outside of maybe QB). Sure, more experience helps, but soon after that it’s an experience vs. age thing.
If I were ranking it, I think it would go Talent, Luck, Injury-free, Coaching, Chemistry.
first quarters last year
One thing to remember in our 13-3 season was how slow we were starting out games for the first half or so of the season. In the first 6 games, we got a total of 6 first quarter points. It wasn’t until week 7 that we finally scored a TD in the first quarter (and then went scoreless in the second quarter). During first quarters and sometimes into the second quarters, the offense’s timing seemed off, they just weren’t clicking, it was like they needed a quarter to get warmed up and synchronized.
Point being, we had the same talent in the first quarters, but the talent wasn’t living up to its potential because of intangible factors like chemistry/timing.
One thing I will be looking for this year is whether they can overcome those slow starts and come onto the field in sync and firing on all cylinders from the first snap. I think that is really a combination of chemistry from having most of the starters back again, and a coaching thing that will prepare them better. If that happens, it will be a good sign that we’ve improved the intangibles that turn talent into wins.
One big difference
is that Julius Jones started those games and was largely ineffective. It created a one-dimensional offense and gave opposing offenses a chance to eat up some clock on us. I think JG’s play calling in the 1st quarter last year was tentative and predictable trying to establish the run. Julius couldn’t break arm tackles (or pinky finger tackles now that I think of it) and it was tough for the offense to score any points with JG trying to force the run. Later in those games, MBIII changed the tenor of the game and forced teams to balance their defensive alignments. That opened up Witten and T.O.
Herein lies the problem with this offense. Unless they find a consistent power running game that starts fast and finishes games with authority, the lack of a credible #2 WR will end up being it’s downfall. Even the addition of Felix as a home run threat won’t mean anything unless we can run for a first down on 3rd downs with 3 or fewer yards to go.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
good point, but...
the slow starts could have had something to do with JJ, but it was more than that. The whole offense just wasn’t clicking. And remember, they were basically alternating series, so we did have MB3 in there in first quarter drives, and they still weren’t able to put it in the EZ. I do think that having MB3 start and having Felix as second will help make a difference for us to get going sooner, but it will take the whole offense being prepared to come out and be in sync from the first snap, which goes to coaching and preparation.
I agree with that
While Scott does have a point that it wasn’t all JJ, I feel like we started a lot of games last year with 2 runs for 3-4 yards with JJ, and immediately go into 3rd and long. We were pretty good at converting those 3rd and longs, but getting solid yards on 1st and 2nd downs will help a lot throughout the game.
Agreed overall that correcting the slow starts will help a lot, especially since our defense is built to punish offenses that go pass-heavy when behind.
good point
the more we can grab the lead, use the clock, and force teams to pass against our rush and secondary, the better. all the more reason why we need to get clicking from the first snap.
will definitely be looking at those average yards on first down runs and whether we have less third and longs. I expect the new Barbarian/Cat combo will improve that, along with the Houck coaching for the run blocking.
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The difference between highly talented teams who underachieve and moderately talented teams who succeed (all other things being equal) is the mental aspect of the game. The preparation, drills, film study and overall attention to detail that teams like the 80’s 49ers, 90’s Cowboys and 000’s Pats have spent so much of their time on has EVERYTHING to do with why they were/are winners.
At the end of the day, the responsibility for those things falls on the coaching staff and that is why 2008 is the Season of Wade in Dallas. If this team fails, it won’t be because they fielded a lesser quality product, it will be because they let HBO Hard Knocks, locker room issues, Jessica Simpson or whatever else distract them. Jimmy Johnson had crazyness going on around him at all times, but through his own force of will, never let the team lose focus and his players said the same thing after every big win, “we were well prepared”. I haven’t heard that from a Dallas player since JJ left.
So, in my humble opinion, catastrophic injuries notwithstanding, Coaching is the thing that will determine the outcome of the 2008 seaon for America’s Team.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
also good to have Zach
his work ethic and veteran leadership by example will help assist the coaches to get the most of the other players in terms of study, preparation, dedication, attention to detaill… he’ll help set a high standard for the younger players to emulate.
Stewart also talked about “buy-in” when you have a winning team. When the players know they are contenders, it makes them even more likely to work overtime and really dedicate themselves to doing what is necessary to fulfill the potential of the talent.
shaky post but GREAT comments
The two wisest things that have been mentioned in this discussion are:
1) Luck plays a huge and underrated role in determining the Super Bowl Champ; e.g. the Colts put a much better team on field this year than last, but no amount of “depth” can replace that firepower of Freeney and Harrison. Each championship cailber team has probably 5-6 truly indispensable players. Whether those guys are unanimously healthy in January is 80% luck.
2) Talent alone doesn’t win SB’s, but put talent together at premium positions for enough consecutive years and it will usually break through in one of those years when everyone is healthy and on a roll.

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