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Is Crayton that bad?

As im sure a lot of you did, I went a little sour on Patrick Crayton after those miscues in the playoff game. Yes, he came up short in a big spot, and yes his mouth is sometimes a bit big for his britches. But is he really that inadequate as a #2?

A lot of people would point to the numbers of second options like Anquan Boldin or T.J. Houshmandzadeh in comparison to Crayton. Granted Crayton is not in the class of these two, but would their numbers not decrease if they had to share receptions with an impact tight end? Jason Witten caught 96 balls last season. If we had some run of the mill tight end catching 35 balls, maybe Crayton squeezes out 20 more catches. Then he's in that 70 catch, 850-900 yard territory.

It wasnt that long ago that we were all praising his hands and his route running. And when he re-signed we were all relieved. I think we've been a little unfair because of that final image we have of him.

He's not Boldin or Housh, but he's good enough. Maybe he takes another step forward this season as he has in each of his previous years and suprises us. And let's keep in mind, he's our #2 wideout, but he still only has to be the third option.

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I just saw him on DFW sports beat and he was asked who he things is the best athlete on the team and he said himself. I wasn’t really impressed with the guy. I still remember his drop all too well. He has some proving to do in my eyes.

by r38305 on Jul 10, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

keep in mind that Boldin and TJ

are in reality #1 WRs who just happen to be paired with other #1 WRs in CJ and Fitzgerald. If you compare Crayton with true #2 WRs like Santonio Holmes, Amani Toomer and DJ Hackett, I think he definitely compares favorably to those guys.

That being said, the drop in the playoff game was inexcusable, it wasn’t even a difficult catch.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Having a big time #2 Wr doesn’t equal victories. I may be wrong, but I think Boldin and TJ combine for one playoff apperance. Crayton runs good routes and has good hands, obviously they let us down in the playoff game, but he gets the job done. Plus, what he lacks Hurd, Austin, and Stanback have..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

For a regular #2, Crayton is decent. For a guy who is really the #3 receiving option, he is just fine. The drops/mental mistakes were pretty bad last year, but he is young and he gets a pass this time. I saw him on ESPN today, and he seemed like maybe he has been just a tad humbled by the playoff loss. Then again, this guy doesn’t seem to have a strong sense of humility.

by grapejoos on Jul 10, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't be silly

Yea I was pretty pissed about his play in the playoffs but don’t forget what he’s done here for us. He IS a good receiver and has exceptional hands.

by sublimezg on Jul 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Average, Hum Drum

Crayton is an average wide receiver, not a good one. I wish he was our third WR – that is the spot that I think best fits his level of talent. He is a valued member of the Cowboys, but not necessarily a valuable one because he is, in my opinion, very replaceable. I think Sam Hurd could start opposite TO and the Cowboys offense wouldn’t miss a beat. A few weeks back there was a fan post that challenged bloggers to list the twenty guys they felt were the most valuable Cowboys. I don’t recall seeing Crayton on that list very much. He certainly wouldn’t crack my top 25.

Crayton is perhaps my least favorite guy on the current Cowboys roster because I think he makes an ass out of himself when he runs his mouth and generally doesn’t back it up on the field. I was hoping that terrible drop would bring some humility but based on his absurd quote I guess that isn’t the case.

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 10, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

true

But not saying much on a team with 13 Pro-Bowlers..

He is important and I think we all want one of the young guys to step in to the #2 spot, but if doesn’t happen we still can win it all.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

win it all

Yeah, we can win it all with Crayton as a starter. He is sort of like Kyle Kosier: very average starter that you can win with IF he is surrounded by studs…..but you’re always looking to upgrade the position as long as he is the starter. We are all very familiar with these average, hum drum players: from 2001-2004, all the starters on the team were of this caliber. In fact, our current backups are as good as the starters were from that thankfully gone era.

I do not think Crayton is good or above average. At this time last year I thought he had no business starting in the NFL. He proved that wrong – he is now a servicable starter. I hope he proves me wrong again and becomes a good, solid long-term solution at #2 wideout.

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 10, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

would you rather have him or Randal El?

Him or Amooni Toomer?

Him or Reggie Brown?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#2's

http://fftoday.com/nfl/depth.php?o=one_page&order_by=

I counted 12 number 2 WR’s I would take over him.. So top half of the league?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

12? Which ones?

I couldn’t come up with more than 10.

by N41D on Jul 11, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough calls, all

All three of those are tough calls. They are all average players who just get lumped into a big pool of average guys. Splitting hairs, really. The question of ‘who would you rather have on your team’ probably is answered by what type of offense you run and who are the other guys in your passing game.

Crayton, Toomer, Randal El and Brown….they are not difference makers. All will occasionally come up with the big play but usually, when you sit at work on Monday morning thinking about the game yesterday, none of those guys come to mind as having an impact on the outcome of the game.

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 11, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Hurd should start...

er. maybe he will start at #2 this year. I like Crayton as the 3rd—that’s where he excels.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 10, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Crayton is a average, maybe below average #2 and a good #3. A good #2 WR has to be capable of filling in at the #1 WR position if an injury occurred. Crayton does not have the big game ability to assume that role. We saw that last season. That’s why having a threat opposite TO is important. TG was that player, Austin could be that player. He has the size and speed, but just needs the experience. I’m not saying Austin is a #1 WR, but he has the talent to be a serious threat as a #2. I’m not sold on Stanbach yet. I think he will turn out to be another Matt Jones and we all know how that experiment turned out converting him from QB to WR.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 11, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is he below average?

He is top half of #2’s? Would be the best #3.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 11, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE best #3

provided that Wes Welker starts this year.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 11, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

says who

He’s not even close to being one of the best #2’s in the league and is far from being the best #3. Crayton is just an average WR in this league. I bet you, if replace him with Sam Hurd he can do some of the same things as good as Crayton, if not better. He has just as good hands and is a little faster. Crayton’s ticket out of town is sooner than you think once Austin, Hurd and maybe Stanbach and Amendola get more experience. Jerry gave him a cap friendly contract and paid him like a #3 WR so releasing him next year would not be a problem.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 12, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin pushing Crayton for #2

Pro Football Weekly

Cowboys sources have been impressed with the development of Miles Austin, who made a few impressive plays in minicamp and could push Patrick Crayton at some point. Austin steadily has improved as a wideout and has good enough size to be a factor in the red zone, as opponents key on Terrell Owens and Jason Witten.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 12, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton is a tough possession WR

What’s the point of being so down on him? Can you count the # of catches Austin has on your hands? You can’t with Crayton.

Maybe Crayton is an average WR in this league. But on this team, he is a vital part. He’s durable, dependable, and confident.

Don’t get me wrong—I’m pullin’ for one of the speedier guys to take #2, but in the meanwhile I will stand by the facts that Crayton is a darn good #3 and a respectable #2.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 13, 2008 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thinking about it

I would perfer one of the younger guys to be in the slot, that way they can avoid the jam. Crayton is strong enough to get off the line with no problem. It wouldn’t suprise me to see Austin or Stanback struggle getting of the line if they were on the outside.

I’ll take Austin, Hurd, or Stanback vs. #3 CB/LB, let them take advantage of the nickel corner/ LB like Welker did last year..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanback would be a nice slot receiver

because of his agility.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Ausin stick outside. He can still be a surprise this year to opposing defenses.

Crayton has really become an all-around type of player, especially considering he was a college QB. He’s got grit.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 14, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not true Boyz

Name me ten #2 receivers that could be #1 WRs in this league, the only ones I can think of are Reggie Wayne, TJ Housmahzadeh, Boldin, and Terry Glenn when 100% healthy, possibly Greg Jennings as thats about it. Crayton is among the better #2 WRs in the league.

BTW, I’m glad you feel that way about Stanback because that means he’ll turn out to be a star.

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by Terry on Jul 11, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton is an awful #2 C'mon

The proof was in the pudding last season when he needed to step up when TO was injured. Face the facts. Crayton is a decent #2 that’s it. He doesn’t put the fear into anyone’s defense and can be handled with another teams #3 CB. We need another threat opposite TO. I don’t know how many times that has to be said. It’s been said here, in the media and even the organization acknowledged the same. That’s why we were linked to Boldin, Williams and CJ. Jerry knows he can’t depend on Crayton or some of these young guys yet if TO get’s injured.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 11, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my Mind

Being a good 2 has nothing to with the what if.. I am not going to knock Crayton because he isn’t a #1. That is what you are basically saying; Crayton can’t carry the team like a one if TO goes down.

The #2’s that carry a team would be one’s on 50%+ of the teams in the league. You can even argue they may be the 1 on their team. Jennings is now the 1, TJ scored TD’s like the 1, Reggie Wayne is the 1, and Terry Glenn was the 1 before TO arrived.

Crayton as complementary piece with Owens does a good job, that is what a 2 does compliment the 1.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like I said before

how many true #2 receivers actually put fear into anyone’s defense? You can name them on one hand and these guys aren’t really #2 guys anyway. Wayne, TJ, Boldin are all #1 receivers as well, they just happen to be playing on the same team with #1 receivers. Not every team has that luxury. Vast majority of the teams in the league, like 25 or 26 teams, don’t have a guy who could step up and play like a true #1 if their #1 WR got hurt. Face reality.

I guarantee you if you look at every #2 receiver in the league, Crayton is in the top third easily, no question about it, which makes him a good #2.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 11, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're really saying he's not a #1 WR

Which I totally agree with. He’s not someone who defenses need to game plan against. But as a complimentary #2 WR I thinks he’s good enough. Add in Witten, and he’s really the 3rd option on most pass plays which he excels at. He’s good at running his routes and getting open, then having the reliable hands to make the catch.

I guess it depends on your definition of a #2 WR.

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by APerfectStar on Jul 11, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

Witten with 96 catches, 1100 yds, and 7 TD’s sounds like a #2 too me

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 11, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch out

If you look at what Crayton has done at times he shows flashes of brilliance. Yes that was a big drop in the playoffs but the fact of the matter is we still had plenty of other chances to win that game and still didn’t come through. Its not Crayton im concerned about, its that we don’t have a proven legit deep threat. Im sure that drop haunts him everyday and he’s going to prove a lot of people wrong this next season

by NDCowboy8 on Jul 10, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very right.

He’s been known to have the best hands on the team. He needs to win that title back from Witten.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 10, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crayton is a decent #2

When you have TO and Witten on the field with you, you just need to get open and catch the ball, both of which Crayton does very well. He had a bad game in the playoff loss, but hopefully he can come back with a chip on his shoulder this season and continue to get better.

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by APerfectStar on Jul 10, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sometimes

I wish we have shipped our 2nd for Chris Chambers last year. I think San Diego made out in that deal.

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by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

That deal worked out well for SD. But if Bennett turns out to be a stud that helps in both the running and passing games, then I’m glad we didn’t trade away the 2nd round pick for anyone.

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by APerfectStar on Jul 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should be better this year

having a full-offseason with that offense. Yeah, had they not traded him Parcells may have dealt him to us.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 10, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 11, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Wm....Chambers would have been IDEAL....he's a true #2 WR..

I’ve always wondered how SD got him, and if Jerry knew of the shopping of Chambers…..cuz I really can’t believe JJ wouldn’t have given up a 2nd rounder for him, knowing that Glenn was iffy to even make the field last year…....

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by BoyzRback on Jul 11, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a mixed bag

His route running and hands are excellent. He has pretty good size and strength. On the down side, he lacks the top end speed you want and sometimes he struggles to get separation.

I was seriously pissed about the drop and missed read, but he’s not as bad as he showed. And listening to him, he is looking for a chance to make up for it.

He’s an above average WR. As long as TO and J-Dub are healthy, that’s all the team needs. The issue is really whether he can replace a down Owens, and the answer to that is NO.

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by dunkman on Jul 10, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

true

The good thing is the running game should be much improved if TO misses action, it could carry us.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looki for Felix Jones to add to the fear factor out wide....

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by BoyzRback on Jul 11, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

embarresd

about that drop, & should be. honestly he”s a strong #3,Speed is the factor on the ends, easier to create separation on a slot defender. with that said, our reccievn corp is still better than most overall(providing Hurd,Miles,Stanback do their jobs when in game). Runnin Game will create good situations for all involved.

by bleedn blu on Jul 10, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he is not bad

but he talks too much smack and has butter fingers.

-pint glass

by pint glass on Jul 10, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crayton's skill set

makes him a #3 WR in my opinion. To me it makes no difference which “option” he is.

He just isn’t suited to play outside. He has no short area quickness or suddenness to his game. Seeing as how a WR that plays on the outside can really only go one way, it’s imperative he be quick to beat the CB in front of him.

Playing inside in the slot, the fact that he can go either way masks his lack of quickness to the CB covering him. He does have a good pair hands, and he uses those well to catch those tough, quick-hitting slants in traffic from the slot position.

There’s a reason Jerry was looking for a #2 in the offseason: it’s cuz he doesn’t have one!

by Starred4Life on Jul 10, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know,

after watching all those NFL Replay games from this past year, I remember how good Crayton is. I’m not saying he’s not bad; I’m saying good—actually good. He makes plays. Catches deep throws, slants, routes over the middle. He muscles DBs around like he’s trying to outdo Barber. He makes 1st downs. He makes touchdowns when it looks he’ll be stopped a coupla yards short.

I kinda liked that he gained some mouth to him this year. Nobody can make all their promises, so it made him look bad.

T.O. drops passes in games. It happens. They don’t all have vaccuum hands like Witten.

Crayton gets drafted as a 3rd or 4th WR in Fantasy Football leagues. That means he’s pretty good.

Just a no-name 7th Round local guy. As it is, the Cowboys are lucky to have him.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 10, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

Anyone catch him on the HURD? I heard Newman on NFL RADIO, I like Newman.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

where he is supposed to be

I remember Romo saying about Crayton that he can depend on him being where he is supposed to be when he needs to get rid of the ball. (He said it in more detailed and convincing terms than that, but that was his point.) Of course he’s going to say positive things about his receivers, but in the context of things I think he is sincere and that means a lot.

And Crayton almost always does catch the catchable ball, better than TO for sure.

He’s not a great receiver, but he is a good one, and a significant and reliable contributor on this offense.

Yes one area where the offense could improve is to have a WR even speedier and overall better than Crayton in the #2 spot, and he might excel then more in the slot which might play to his strengths and mask his weaknesses. (Although he would get even less catches if that were the situation, so whether he’d be recognized for being a better contributor in a lesser role I don’t know).

But we have such high standards these days. We can’t have a pro-bowler at every starting position. While it might be possible to have a better #2 WR (#3 receiver overall), we are in fact very fortunate to have Crayton.

And I do hope he continues to develop and shows us even more this season. I think it’s very possible.

The fact that the guy boasting the loudest before the game ends up being more of the goat that anyone probably should teach him a lesson. But I don’t know that it will. Nevertheless, whatever we think about his off-field comments, it is ultimately by his play that he is judged. He may not be a great player, but despite his playoff drop, he is a pretty darn good player, and a significant benefit to the team.

by scottmaui on Jul 11, 2008 5:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, He Is

Had he merely choked in the playoffs as he did, and I blame him squarely for quitting on his route the second to last play of the game when Romo would have had him wide open in the end zone, I would have felt sorry for him. But he’s a big mouth with little to show for it. Yes, he has terriffic hands, but Crayton has nothing else. He’s weak, slow, and unelusive. I’d love to see him as a 4th receiver, one who shuts the hell up and knows his role.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jul 11, 2008 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's definitely not weak

pound for pound he’s one of the strongest players on the team and is the best blocking WR on the team by far and away.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 11, 2008 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

And while his hands are generally good, he also had a wide-open TD clang off his hands in the Buffalo game. Thankfully he got bailed out. Concentration is Crayton’s problem, though I don’t think he’s particularly elusive or fast – he doesn’t need to be.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love it if we had someone better to push Crayton down to #3, but he’s not a bad #2 WR as a #3 option in the passing game. Every team in our own division has a worse #2, in my opinion.

by grapejoos on Jul 11, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is a good 3rd reciever

thats all we need him to be.. Im with you guys that are skeptical about not getting a big time #2.. but i started thinking, he is technically our 3rd reciever behind t.o. and whit… but added to that, i feel an upgrade has been made in the 2nd running back.. cant wait to see what dimension Felix Jones adds to this offense.. someone to run that screen to perfection..

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by TheJman on Jul 11, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe you just did that

It’s illegal in the state of Texas to use “Cowboys” and “Rangers” in the same post. It’s worse than breaking a mirror or walking under a ladder holding a black cat. You have some serious knocking on wood to do…

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by dunkman on Jul 11, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

WITTEN!

notice no ‘H’

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by thebigham on Jul 11, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

I moved up here when i was 9.. need refreshing on the rules… knocking on some wood now.. just love my teams.. nothing bad intended, i will work on reversing whatever it is ive done

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by TheJman on Jul 14, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've tried so hard

to root for the Rangers and they kill me every year. Their management just seems to be behind everyone else…

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by dunkman on Jul 14, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like him ok...

my main complaints about him are his mouth and he is careless with the ball even when he catches the ball i’m always worried it’s going to be knocked out of his hands or he’ll get cocky and his karma will bite US in the ass…other than that i’m glad we have him and i think he plays hard…

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by hashishkabob on Jul 11, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a #2

The thing Dallas needs in this offense is a #2 who can regularly break press single coverage and make opposing defenses pay (with big plays) for doubling T.O. and blitzing Romo.

Crayton, as much as we all want him to be, is not that guy. He’s a great #3 because he can come in and make tough catches against a nickel DB to move the sticks on 3rd and 7 or 3rd and 8.

But he’s not a #2, and if you look at December last year, he proved it. He’s not a bad guy, or unreliable or unworthy of his contract. He’s just not what Dallas needs in a #2.

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by 5Blings on Jul 11, 2008 10:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed 100 percent
He’s just not what Dallas needs in a #2.

Exactly what I’ve been saying. We need a better option than Crayton as the #2 because if TO goes down he can’t be counting on.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 12, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Witten to me
The thing Dallas needs in this offense is a #2 who can regularly break press single coverage and make opposing defenses pay (with big plays) for doubling T.O. and blitzing Romo.

Jason Witten does that..

Now I can’t blame you if you want a home run threat, but the beauty of it is we have that on the roster,
too. Austin and Stanback posses that quality..

Crayton does a good in his role, especially considering it was his 1st year in the role.
LIke Terry said he is the top 1/2 of #2’s, so what do you really want another one?

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by Wmillion on Jul 12, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

watching the replay of Witten's hatless rumble

I noticed that on another play in that game, Witten actually motioned out to the wide out position, and caught a 20 yard pass in the end zone for the fifth touchdown of the day. they’ve indicated they plan to do more of that with him this year, making him even more of the actual #2 receiver.

by scottmaui on Jul 12, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Crayton is in the top

half of the #2’s in this league than alot of them are very average because that is what Crayton is.

Out of 17 games including 1 playoff game when we needed him the most he had only 6 games over 50+ yards.

If Crayton is a #2 than we need a 1 1/2.

We need a TG type of player opposite TO. Crayton is not going to cut it in the long haul.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 13, 2008 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a lot of them are very average

that is sort of what the definition of average is ;)

by scottmaui on Jul 13, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops.. 17 games + 1 playoff game

which makes 18 games. Crayton was over 50 yards in only 6 of them for 7 TD’s. He was a dismal 3 for 27 yds. and 1 fum in the playoff game.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 13, 2008 2:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you had it right

the 1st time 17 games..

2’s are going to appear average, that is why they aren’t a #1. Crayton does his job well. TO and Witten combined for 177 receptions. How can you expect him to catch more balls? Let me guess you want 3 players on the team over 1k in yds and all catch 80 plus balls?

look at last 5 super bowl champs, Crayton is as good if not better then all of them. Only #2 he isn’t better then Wayne. Crayton does his job well.

07-NYG Toomer, I would prefer crayton
06-INDY Wayne, Wayne gets the nod
05-Pitt Randal El, give me Crayton, crayton has better stats, hits pay dirt more often
04-NE David Givens- crayton gets the nod again
03-NE David Givens crayton “

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by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just one

we can depend on it TO get’s hurt. Crayton is a #3 playing the 2 spot. We all saw what happened when TO was injured. Crayton didn’t step up. He get’s shut down with other teams #1 CBs with ease. A talented #2 Wr can over come that challenge at times. There are a lot of above average #2’s in this league, but Crayton happens not be one of them as he proved last season. I’m not looking for a #1 WR playing the 2 spot. Just a player that has the talent to fill in when needed. TG was a legit #2 in this league.

People might say he was a #1, but that’s not true at all. He was a very good #2 WR in this league for many years and we need that type on player. Whether that’s Austin, Hurd or Stanbach I don’t know, but they seem to posses the talent to be one.

Don’t get me wrong, Crayton has done a fine job as a 7th round draft pick but it’s clear by the organizations comments they are searching for more of a threat at the position.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is true

TG when healthy is a very good #1 receiver

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 13, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TG was never a #1

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TG was a #1 his entire career

even when T.O. arrived.

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by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was never the #1 when TO was here

what are you smoking?

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TG was always the #2 WR

on all the teams he played. He was used in the slot for the most past his entire career.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not true

TG was a #1 with the Pats, Packers and Cowboys. Don’t forget, you can have two #1 receivers on the same team, Colts, Cardinals, Bengals all have two #1 receivers.

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by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can even make the case Keyshawn

was the #1 on this team in 2004 and 2005. Keyshawn was the goto guy both those years and his numbers back it up. Keyshawn was really a #2 WR, but in 2004 and 2005 he was our #1 WR.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TG

Terry Glenn is no longer #2 WR in this league; he is injury prone guy, with a knee injury that will never get better. Even with surgery I don’t see any improvement, how long will it take for him to recover from that at 35 years old? Is there any history of guy coming back from this type of injury with no surgery? Terry Glenn is done!! What we need to see IS Miles Austin streaking down the field one on one vs Nickel corners.

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by Wmillion on Jul 14, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen to that brother!

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats true, I said when healthy

obviously the arthiritis in his knees makes him less effective.

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by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you have two primary receivers?

TG was not the primary receiver when Keyshawn was here and when TO arrived. TG has been a #2 WR for most of his career. The only place he was a legite #1 receiver was in NE for a brief time. Although, Troy Brown was considered the #1 WR on that team. He played one season in GB and definately wasn’t their #1 WR that year. Donald Driver was the #1 WR.

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can have two #1 receivers

like i said, Colts, Bengals and Cards all have two #1 guys in Harrison, Wayne, CJ, TJ, Boldin and Fitzy.

They are all legit #1 receivers in this league, no question, same applies to a healthy Glenn.

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by Terry on Jul 15, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Debate

I think Glenn was the # 1 New England. I think both him and Keyshawn could have been considered the 1 here in Dallas. Terry was the big play and Keyshawn possesion WR- Similar to Chad and TJ.

In my opionon Terry was either a lower half one, or a top end 2..

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by Wmillion on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what this discussion illuminates

is that having two number ones is something teams are now striving for. The passing game has really gained steam with changes in rules and you can see what a having several weapons on offense can do for you. Dallas has two number ones because of Witten and TO. Crayton is a very very good number three.

On the flip side, covering excellent receivers is hard for the best of CBs, so the Giants strategy of going after the one guy you CAN get to worked well. Small wonder pressure palyers (DE, OLBs) are among the best paid defenders after CBs.

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by dunkman on Jul 13, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crayton

Does fine for what the cowboys need him for. Yeah they need a replacement for TO but it doesnt have to be Crayton. He is stil young and can stay in the role he has now for years to come because of Witten. I think some people are just spoiled because this team has 13 probowlers. Every player doesnt have to be an elite player at their position. As the patriots have showed you dont need allstars at every position just good players working together.

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by thebigham on Jul 13, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

That’s my point.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.C. is solid and I think the humbling experience in the playoffs should do him some good. I see no reason why he can’t be the T.J. to T.O.’s Chad…

by BK Arsonist on Jul 17, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

Maybe not T.J. , but he is solid.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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