Quincyyyyy's pre-TC 53 man roster and 7 man PS

by quincyyyyy on Jul 11, 2008 5:44 PM CDT Comment 62 comments

Offense:

QB: Romosexual, Chris Simms

LT: Flozell "the Hotel", Doug "the freak" Free

LG: Kosier, Marten

C: Gurode, Procter

RG: Bigg

RT Colombo, McQ

WR: Owens, Austin, Crayton, Stanback, Hurd, Jefferson

TE: Witten, Bennett, Curtis

RB: The Barberian, Bubble Butt, Tashard Choice

FB: Anderson

Defense:

NT: Tank, Siavii

NT/DE: Ratliff

DE: Canty, Hatcher, Spears, Bowen

WOLB: D-Ware, Rogers

WILB: Thomas, Burnett/Carpenter

SILB: James,

SOLB: Ellis/Spencer

OLB/pass rush specialist: Walden

SS: Roy "the Biscuit" Williams

SS/FS: Ken "the Hammer" Hamlin,

FS: Watkins, Brown

CB: Newman, Henry, Pac Man, Jenkins, Ball, Scandrick

Special Teams:

LS: L.P. Frenchy

Punter: "the Terror from Down Under" McBriar

Kicker: The Folk Hero

PS:
WR Amendola
TE Hannah
FB Crosslin
SS Dowayne Davis
DE Dixon
RB Alonzo Coleman
QB Richard Bartel

Notes:

QB :

Brad Johnson is just too old, and can't throw the ball more than 15 yards. Expect a trade for Chris Simms or some other veteran during training camp. The big wild card here is Bartel. If he can make the leap to become a legitimate NFL QB then we may not need to trade for a veteran.

WR:

Why would Jerry quibble over a million dollars, which is nothing to him, with a star like Terry Glenn? Doesn't make any sense unless he is not coming back, which is what I am assuming.

Miles Austin has gone from not making the team on my first 53 man roster to becoming T.O.'s Robin. All signs point to him making the leap. And that is not to say I don't like Crayton and Hurd. I do, but they don't have the speed to become anything more than an O.K. number 2 receiver.

Jefferson has been getting praise from his coaches for the progress he has made while he was on the practice squad last season. He has shown he can be a productive receiver gaining over a 1000 yards during the '06 season playing for Montana. If during TC he has shown he has made the leap to being a NFL WR look out.

RB:

Right now I am assuming Tashard Choice makes the roster because he was drafted, but Jerry really likes Alonzo Coleman. Coleman is strong, quick, and fast and had over a thousand yards each year at Hampton. Don't be surprised if one of these RB's makes the roster and the other is traded before the final roster cut. Possibly in a deal for a veteran QB?

TE/FB:

If Jefferson or Amendola doesn't make the 53 man roster look for Crosslin or Hannah to make it.

NT/DE:

Siavii is a huge space eating NT who was picked ahead of Tank in the second round of the '05 draft. This is his last chance to do something in the NFL. I expect a more mature and motivated Siavii to make the team. If not Dixon could earn a spot on the roster.

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we're not trading for Simms

nor trading for him, you guys we’ll just gave to face the fact that Johnson will be our backup this season.

Glenn will start the season with the Cowboys, how long he’ll before he gets hurt again is anyone’s guess. Jefferson has hands of stone and won’t make the team.

The rest of the roster is pretty much spot on although I think Robertson has a chance to beat out Walden.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 11, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If Robertson is so good

Why did we draft Walden instead? Robertson is fighting for a practice squad spot at this point.

Brad Johnson sucks. If he is our backup QB, then god help us all if Romo gets hurt.

It would be nice to have Glenn, but the fact that Jerry won’t be willing to part with a million dollars IF Glenn hurts just that knee tells me Jerry and the trainers have no faith in him. Glenn is a 50/50 shot to be on this team AT BEST come training camp.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 12, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the same reason we didn't draft Miles Austin

and drafted Syler Green. We drafted tons of guys but didn’t draft Romo, so whats your point?

Johnson might suck but so does Simms, just because he’s younger doesn’t mean he’s better.

Glenn and Jerry will work something out, count on it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 12, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Simms can at least throw something besides screens

And I don’t care if it is Simms, as long as it is someone new. I have no faith in Johnson.

And while there are examples of UFA’s making it, the vast majority don’t. Probability wise, the odds are on Walden’s side not Robertson’s.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 12, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll give you that

Teams aren’t usually too keen on cutting players they used a draft pick on, no matter how much they suck.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 12, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They wouldn't flat out cut Walden

They’d stash him on the PS. But if he’s just going to be a pass rush OLB, then maybe they will keep him on the 53 man roster. The reason Robertson fell into our laps was due to injury. If he rehabs that, he looks like he could beat out Rogers for a spot.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 12, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rogers was one of our better special teamers last year

Robertson would be playing behind Ware. If he wants to make the team he’ll have to out special teams Rogers.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 12, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I realize that.

I guess my point was that since he was drafted, he’ll get more of a chance and will be permitted to stay around longer based purely on potential. See Carpenter, Bobby.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 13, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

may be

I don’t think they would spend a draft pick on a guy, even in the 6th round, and then put him on the practice squad, unless he was really disappointing in camp.

by scottmaui on Jul 13, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not true

They were willing to take the chance with Alan Ball last year, and a lot of people were impressed with him.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 13, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alan Ball was a late 7th rounder

Those people are basically UFA’s at that point. And he didn’t impress at all in training camp.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 13, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

quincy I got news for you

there is not much difference between a 6th rd draft choice and undrafted FA, your odds argument doesn’t wash.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 13, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there is

we traded Fergy for a 6th rounder. And fergy sure does have value to me.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 13, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

strike that a future 6th rounder

so even less value than Walden, who was a high 6th rounder in this years draft, since future picks have less value than current picks.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 13, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cutting drafted players

Quentin Moses was drafted 1st pick in the 3rd round ;ast year and he got before the season started. Same with Buster Davis, 5th pick in the 3rd round..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its still not done that often

those are exceptions to the rule.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm talking in terms of talent

Believe me, Robertson is every bit as talented as Walden, if not more so.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That wasn't the point

you made it sound as if 6th round draft picks (a high one at that) don’t have value to a team, which makes them easily cuttable. I don’t see that as being the case.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that wasn't my point

my point was that Robertson’s chances of making the team are just as good as Walden’s and their draft status has nothing to do with it.

Teams only look at at very high draft picks when deciding to release players, 6th and 7th rd picks are not looked upon any differently than undrafted FA in this regard.

Bottom line is the best players make the team regardless of where they were selected in the draft or even drafted at all.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And according to scouts who have wathced Robertson

and Walden play extensively, they think Walden is more talented. Tell me Terry, how often have you watched Walden play?

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where did you read that?

Do you have a link?

All we are saying is that Robertson was on the radar screen, his injury caused him to fall in the draft. Walden was from out of left field. Maybe he does beat out Robertson for a spot. The important thing is that the best player wins the spot.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 14, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do I have a link

We drafted Walden and not Robertson and they play the same position. Hence the scouts liked him better. Do I need a link for that?

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess not...

If you’re just assuming that the scouts like Walden better, but there is no fact to support your statement. I thought you were basing it on an article.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 14, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah I'm sure it was Jerry who drafted him

I’m sure he watches tons of Middle Tennessee State Football. Walden was also injured most of the year. He was a scouts pick if there ever was one. Plus Stephen would never let Jerry overrule the scouts. Like when Jerry wanted to go up and get Hardy and Stephen told his father to go out and take a long walk.

I’m rambling, but basically since we drafted him we obviously thought more of Walden that Robertson.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree

That doesn’t prove the scouts necessarily liked Walden over Robertson. It has nothing to do with Jerry watching Middle Tenn St., it has to do with which player the decision-makers thought they’d have a better chance of getting as an UDFA. Obviously they liked both players, but you can’t deduce who they graded better because one was drafted in the 6th and one was signed as a FA.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 14, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you are really reaching Tom

that is weak. Teams don’t draft that way. They pick the best player.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's not always true

Especially at the bottom of the draft.

But obviously I’m not convincing you, and you aren’t convincing me, so we’ll call it a stalemate. Both players are going to be fighting for spots, and one position Wade excels at finding talent is LB so I’m sure the best player will make it.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 14, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the vast majority of the time

the perceived best player gets drafted no matter where they are drafted, but like you said I’m not going to convince you.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 15, 2008 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not true quincy

all the grades I read had Robertson receving much higher grades. Walden was drafted ahead of Robertson because Robertson had an injury, Walden didn’t.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

internet bloggers are not the same as

NFL scouts. If they were they wouldn’t be working for ESPN or NFLDC, they would be working for the Dallas Cowboys. I trust the Cowboys scouts more than anyone I read on the internet.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

then explain to me

why Robertson had better draft grades than Waldin because of the 10 draft publications I purchased, none had Walden ranked in the top 360 players, but Robertson was rated as one of the best DE in the draft.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

injury will do that too you

Look at Chris Canty 1st round talent, who dropped to 4th round due to injury..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 14, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Robertson was injured as well

so I’m not buying that excuse

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 14, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so they were on a level playing field

whats your point?

and the scouts picked Walden over a Division 1 big timer. Point is our scouts thought he was better, and that is a fact.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 14, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't mean he is better

our scouts also thought Justin Bates, Zuriel Smith and BJ Tucker was better than Tony Romo in the 2003 draft, how’d that turn out?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 15, 2008 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your right, why do we even have scouts

in the first place. All I’m saying is I value their opinion more than yours, no offense.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 15, 2008 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and I value scouts opinion

who have Robertson rated higher than yours.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 15, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What scouts

the B.S. internet scouts that couldn’t make it in the NFL? Don’t you think that the Dallas Cowboy scouts are also better funded? You are being ridiculous Terry. Ok you trust your “internet” scouts, and I’ll trust Dallas Cowboys scouts. They were the ones who picked him above Robertson.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 15, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess we'll find out who is ridiculous

in about 6 weeks. My money is on Robertson to beat out Walden.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 15, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

with that asscessment

by GimmyJ on Jul 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not bad but...

no way hatcher beats out spears….hatcher’s weaker against the run…

The main Ingreident to pickle bread is dill dough...

by hashishkabob on Jul 12, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hatcher's problem is correctable

He could get better against the run if he added more strength to his game. If he took advantage of his time in the off season and got good use out of Joe he could move up the depth chart.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 12, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think there's a good chance Hatcher cuts into Spears playing time

He looked really good last year until he got injured. Much better than Spears, from eyewitness accounts.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he overtakes Spears.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 12, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 13, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glenn

I still think Glenn will end up on the roster. My bet is that Jerry ups his offer a bit and Glenn signs the split contract. How long he stays healthy is anyone’s guess, but I think he’ll be one of the 53 to start the season, meaning Jefferson on the PS. If for whatever reason Glenn doesn’t end up on the team, I’d say it’s a toss-up between Jefferson and Amendola, but I might give Amendola a slight edge.

by scottmaui on Jul 12, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Amendola

but Jefferson has the edge because he was on the practice squad last year. Amendola is fresh out of college.

by quincyyyyy on Jul 12, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amendola

I would prefer Amendola he would bring a different element.

Let Spears go to NT..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 12, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I vote Spears moves to NT

That would let Ratliff and Hatcher rotate at DE. Tank and Spears rotate at NT.

At WR it looks like a competition between Amendola, Bradford, and Jefferson for Glenn’s spot.
I’ve gone back and forth on Glenn all off-season. Obviously he’s the best option, but it’s like playing the lottery, you never know which game will be his last.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 12, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good....

but with all of the hype around Amendola all through mini camps, and all of the Welker comparisons, I think we’d have a hard time sneaking him on to the PS, a la Matt Moore.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 13, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

so much will depend on camp. actually after that first week of OTAs we really didn’t hear much about him, it was like he got the hype up based on one day. so if he comes out and impresses enough, they may want to try to squeeze him on the roster if Glenn doesn’t play, because the risk of losing him in PS may be more than it is for the others. But if it appears that initial impression was overhyped, they may just let him go. I sure would like if he lived up the initial hype, but we shall see.

by scottmaui on Jul 13, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs