Did Bill Parcells throw Romo under the bus?
by Tuna Helper on Jul 26, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Our top two draft picks may not make either practices today.
Here's a roundup of activities to wet the whistle before Grizz gives us the real deal. Highlights: ESPN's Ed Werder gets booed and Ratliff and Colombo get into a fight.
Hopefully it didn't end like this or this.
Kevin Burnett says the word of the day Friday was "finish."
I have two words for today: "Bud Light." And you must finish in my household or we call drinking foul!
Mike Florio writes for Sporting News and Profootballtalk.com. He wrote an article detailing the top 10 training camp dramas and, of course, the 'Boys made the list.
10. Will Adam Jones be worth it?
Though it's highly unlikely that Dallas Cowboys cornerback Adam Jones will do anything to jeopardize his potential reinstatement, whether Jones will play like he did when he was known as Pacman, despite being out of the game since December 2006, is questionable.
We'll know early in preseason whether Jones has any rust, and we'll find out after a few nights on the town whether he can stay out of trouble.
Seems like our remaining wide receivers are handling Terry Glenn's release exactly the way I hoped they would.
With Terry Glenn now released, the second tier of wide receivers know it's time to step up. Patrick Crayton said he doesn't feel any added pressure, but knows all eyes will be on him once again.
"That's the way it was last year and I think it turned out OK," said Crayton, who had career-highs in catches (50), yards (697) and touchdowns (seven). "But at the same time, it's a sad thing. I was a little surprised. Yeah, I move up a little (on the depth chart) but I still lose my boy."
Sam Hurd is ready. Danny Amendola showed he was ready Friday by making the "play of the day."
Anquan Boldin says he's done with the Cardinals after his contract is up. Hmmm. His agent is Drew Rosenhaus and we've done a lot of business with him lately. Think the 'Boys might take a run at him?
Hat tip and shout out to Deke for his fanpost here.
Imagine if the 'Boys touched down for training camp and there was horse manure on the practice fields.
Don't laugh. It actually happened back in the day.
The upstart Dallas Cowboys had to wonder: What were people trying to tell them?
Aside from being the only team in NFL history to begin operation with no college draft to fortify its roster, the ’60 Cowboys played two of their six preseason games on fields laced with cow and horse manure.
Eddie LeBaron can laugh about it — now.
"Louisville [Ky.] and Pendleton [Ore.] were interesting places to play," said the former Washington Redskins QB, who came to Dallas via the ’60 expansion draft.
"In Louisville, they had just had their state fair. There was still some horse manure on that field. And in Pendleton, that’s where they hold a really, really big rodeo [Pendleton Roundup] every year, and there was cow and horse manure on that field.
Feast your eyes on this beautiful article from Profootballtalk.com
For the first time ever, NFL games will stream over the Internet. For free.Wow.
According to Terry Lefton and John Ourand of SportsBusiness Journal, whose story will be published on July 28, the 17 NBC games will be available for viewing at NFL.com and NBCSports.com.
Hells yeah! The LA Times writes a more detailed story here.
The NFL Network will broadcast the Cowboys-Ravens matchup Dec. 20.
For all of you who can't stand the Tuna, Newy Scruggs has quite the article for you. Chris Mottram also believes Parcells threw Romo under the bus.
Just a small taste of the Scruggs rant.
When will somebody call out Bill Parcells for being selfish? Really. This guy gets a free pass from reality and I don’t get it.
Scruggs spits hot fire!
Hat tip and shout out for WB3forMB3 and his fanshot here.
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Quitter was blasted on ESPN by Stephen A. Smith
In the best argued rant i have EVER heard about the Quitter…
Josh Hamilton is better than you.
by Longhorn on Jul 26, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Parcells is a huge [female sanitary device] there is no doubt about that
claiming credit for things he didn’t do, and deflecting blame whenever possible. Never caring about how it affects other people in the process.
I come from the school of thought that Parcells didn’t build our team outside of a few notable players like Witten. He merely instilled discipline in the team. But he he is nothing special for doing that. Disciplinarian coaches are a dime a dozen. The Cowboys are where they are today because of Jerry, Steven, and Jeff, and I think anybody who is knowledgeable of Cowboys drafting and free agency history is well aware of that.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Parcells changed this organization from top to bottom
If He wasn’t hired, this organization would still be seen as a laughing stock of the NFL with its 5-11 seasons, make no mistake about it.
by Deke on Jul 26, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
B.S.
What do you mean laughing stock? You don’t think we would be a laughing stock if we picked Marcus Spears at 11 instead of Ware (who is the best player on our team). You don’t think we would be a laughing stock if we picked Jets bust Dewayne Robertson instead of T-New? You don’t think we would be a laughing stock if we passed up a chance to sign T.O.? Those are three things that Parcells advocated. Our team would be pretty average today if Jerry let Parcells have his way.
Parcells is like a credit magnet. People give him credit for things based on no evidence, just because he was in the general vicinity. It really irks me some times.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally some of us are comng around the fact......
” The Big Tuna,” is finally living up to his name…Sure the firtst few bites are good , the after taste is unbarable. Absolutely, typcal yankee style, position themselves at the rght time to take credit for anothers attributes and destroy the evdence, wait till we see what happens to Sparano. The old smelly Giant, ’ Always was always will be.”will make him his next fall guy after he milks Miami for his retirement fund. Oh yeah, seemed funny Parsells talked trash about NFL then went to work for them, along side hhmmmm? How many other former Giiant players the fallowing year and all of a sudden the jokin “Giants” have the jump on former Parcells teams. Dallas New England, hhmmmmmmm! What crock wat and see tuna starts stank’n really bad after its exposed to the elements, HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Go Gettem Jerry Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The true King of the NFL!
by spursn4life on Jul 26, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think any number of coaches
could have done what the “TUNA” did – I would rather had Del Rio – than tuna helper – he is a slimmy New Yorker Gaint always was and always will be – JMO – what you think hes want to hang out in Maimi no he will quit in two years – and do you think Saprano is the COACH NO BILL IS
to much ego
he was lucky to win the one SB
by GimmyJ on Jul 26, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YANKEE, GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smoke some more of that bunk stuff you got!!!
You obviosly dont have a clue to what is goin on, are you sure you aren’t a Bears fan.
by spursn4life on Jul 26, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells was an a*s
Think about how he treated Terrell Owens. Parcells refused to call him Terrell or T.O. Nope, he was “the player.” Now who was the adult in that relationship?
The writer hit it dead on with that statement. Parcells was a old fart who could never get over himself. He did some good things in Dallas, but did alot of damage to the team also. He needed to go one season earlier I thought. I’m so happy he’s out of coaching because he clearly lost touch with today’s players.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
by Boyzfan94 on Jul 27, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robertson was picked by the jets ahead of the cowboys
so how was it Dallas would draft him over Newman..
Why do I think the cowboys would continue to be the lauging stock, because jerry proved that running the day to day operation of this club. Quincy carter proved to me Jerry has no business being a GM.
I guess Parcell’s was just lucky when he built the Giants, the patriots and the jets. The patriots and Jets were doormats of the NFL and disasters as organizations, just like the cowboys before Bill arrived. Anyone that doesn’t give Bill Parcells 80% of the credit for changing this whole organization direction from top to bottom, is lost. And this is coming from someone who was not on board for bringing bill in because I knew he’d try to patch things together and win now by bringing in older aging vets he knew instead of blowing things up and starting over. After the second year, Bill purged this team of it character problems and built it for within.
by Deke on Jul 26, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Point was Bill wanted Dewayne Robertson over Newman
And Jerry had to take him out to dinner the night before the draft to allay his concerns about Newman. I think that says volumes about his so called ability to evaluate talent.
80%? Based on what Deke? Sorry but that is nuts.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bpp wanted Williams or Newman
2003 draft Newman
The night before the 2003 draft, scouts and personnel people wanted the team to draft Terence Newman, the cornerback from Kansas State, if he was available.
Parcells preferred Oklahoma State defensive tackle Kevin Williams.
Owner/general manager Jerry Jones took Parcells out to dinner and convinced him Newman was the better choice. The next day, Dallas selected Newman as the No. 5 pick in the first round, and he’s started every game since.
“It’s been off and on,” said Larry Lacewell, the Cowboys’ retired scouting director, who worked with Parcells in his first two seasons in Dallas. “Under Parcells, it was him. Before, it was scouts and whoever. ... We got Jerry and Stephen [Jones] to take him out and made him mad and told him we’re going to take Newman.”
Coaches wanting one player and scouts wanting another is a common occurrence in NFL draft rooms.
By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News
by GimmyJ on Jul 26, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what the NYT said at the time of the draft on 04/26/03
The Dallas Cowboys, now coached by the former Jets coach Bill Parcells, are said to covet Robertson,
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE5DB153DF935A15757C0A9659C8B63
You, however, cite an article in 2007. Four years after the draft. Its probably just shotty reporting on Watkins part knowing that Parcells wanted a NT, but missing on who exactly the NT was.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess billy p....
is the luckiest coach in the world! he just happened to be in the right place at the right time when all these good things happened. but he was totally 100 percent at fault for all his missteps. lol.
i realize parcells is an acquired taste. some like him, some don’t. i’m grateful for his time at the ponderosa but obviously it was time for him to go. doesn’t give him a pass for his bad drafts and bad decisions. but i don’t think anyone in good conscious can overlook his record of success.
and it helps that he cut quincy carter to keep tony romo.
by Tuna Helper on Jul 26, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anybody said that
is the luckiest coach in the world! he just happened to be in the right place at the right time when all these good things happened. but he was totally 100 percent at fault for all his missteps. lol.
But its not like he had such a great tenure has DC head coach. His record here was pretty dang mediocre. If I calculated this correctly we were 33 and 31 during his time here in Dallas. Not such an impressive record of success.
and it helps that he cut quincy carter to keep tony romo.
Um I don’t think he cut Quincy Carter to keep Romo. Quincy cut himself because of his affinity for the white lady. Giving Parcells credit for that is beyond ridiculous.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This organization and team was a disaster before Bill got here
Dont give me a win loss record as a marker for a tenure. This organization was a mess, no talent, evident since after two years with Parcells at the helm, the roster was almost completely turned over, a roster that jerry had put together as a GM. Quincy was one of Jerry’s briliant draft picks.
Quincy cut himself because of his affinity for the white lady. Giving Parcells credit for that is beyond ridiculous.
Parcells brought accountability to this organzation, remember Bill saying, I dont have time for thugs and hoodlums.
by Deke on Jul 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really bad logic to say because two things correlate that
indicates a causal relationship. The two main reasons our talent got better is because of Jeff Ireland (strange that Parcells would take him away from us huh?) and Jerry learning from past mistakes.
Anywho, it is perfectly reasonable to give a win loss record as a marker. That is how just about every coach is judged, Parcells shouldn’t be given special treatment (eventhough it seems some think he should). How many games you win is one of the basic ways to measure someone’s career. The number doesn’t fit your argument, because it shows he was in fact a mediocre coach, so you arbitrarily throw it out. Good for you.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcell's
I agree with Deke he deserves some credit for the turnaround..
The fact he left us with franchise QB is good enough for me..
Top 5 QB’s are hard to come by..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Jul 26, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes he left us with a franchise QB
Not Payton (the guy who brought him here) and David Lee (the guy who developed him) oh how silly of me. Geesh. Just another example of Parcells getting credit when he deserves none. For some reason people love giving Parcells credit for things he didnt do. Romo would have been a Cowboy with or without Parcells. But go on giving that Giant scum all the credit for turning the Cowboys around, its conventional wisdom that Parcells is great and is the mastermind behind everything. Buy into conventional wisdom. Its a lot easier than actually coming up with evidence to back up your position.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No assitant brings in a player
He may make suggestion, but that is all he gets..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Jul 26, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the GM/owner is the one who signs him
now who could that be….
Geesh. Giving Parcells credit is almost a compulsion with you people.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
So not giving him credit for having hand in that makes no sense. If Parcell’s didn’t want Romo he wouldn’t have been here. Plain in Simple.
Giving the man credit for living the pieces in place to suceed only makes sense. Can you argue we did better without him? Yes, but to say he deserves no credit , just doesn’t make any sense.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Jul 26, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok fine he deserves the minimal amount of credit
For not being a complete idiot and cutting the Walter Payton award winner against the wishes of his Offensive coordinator and QB coach. Point is he is the last person in line when it comes to handing out credit for Romo being here.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you seem to not want to give parcells much credit
which is fine. i’ll just say the consensus is that he’s a hall of fame coach and that he helped turn around this organization. and that he had a lot to do with the development of romo. he doesn’t get all the credit. but a big chunk. even the lion’s share. he definitely has weaknesses but it’s not fair to emphasize his weaknesses and not give him full credit (not minimal credit) for his strengths. it weakens your argument. IMHO.
by Tuna Helper on Jul 27, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Romo?
You basically say the reason he deserves the lion’s share of credit is not because he scouted him and brought him here (Payton), or developed his skills (David Lee), or signed him (Jerry Jones), but because Parcell didn’t cut the most sought after QB in UFA during a time when we had no decent QB on the team. Your reasoing for giving Parcells credit for Romo is logic you can use for all 53 players. He didn’t cut any of them so we should give credit to Parcells for all of them. And by extension we should give Wade credit for all 53 players on the roster because he didn’t cut them. Its just a ridiculous argument to make.
I’ll give Parcells credit for players he advocated to Jerry Jone int\ the draft room or to Jerry Jones in FA. For example, I’ll give him credit for Witten, because Parcells was the one who wanted Witten. But Parcells does not get credit for Romo, all of the evidence speaks to this.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 27, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether you love or hate Parcells
(and I don’t like him much), you have to give him some credit for rebuiliding this team. Notice I said SOME credit as I think that as poor a GM as Jerry was before, once he hired BP, he started coming into his own and has turned into a really good owner/GM IMO. If Parcells was the total brain trust behind the cowboys’ resurgence, then wouldn’t this team have fallen apart when he left? Instead, they have continually improved.
I think the thing that rubs people (myself included) the wrong way with BP is his revisionist history. Just like in that article, he seems to throw Romo under the bus by saying “we couldn’t even get a lousy FG” but he forgets to mention that without Romo, that team would never have made the playoffs and would likely have imploded under Bledsoe and limped to a 7-9 record.
Bottom line, he is a master of rebuilding teams and instilling discipline and character but he doesn’t take responsibility for when things go wrong and generally acts like a word that rhymes with Sploosh.
by Billito on Jul 26, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all about doing things his way
BP seemed to have found a system that brought him early success and he stuck to it. Work hard, take responsibility for your actions, and defense wins championships. His problem is he’s so inflexible in his stances that he’s turning into a caricature of himself.
Still, he did help turn around the Cowboys (although he made some big mistakes along the way, number one was not rebuilding immediately, he waited until after his 2nd year with the Cowboys when they collapsed to 6-10) He does seems to get a little more credit than he deserved. But almost all the pieces in place now, were acquired during his time in Dallas.
Overall this organization is better off now than before BP got here. Not totally due to him, but he does deserve some of the credit. Since he’s left, though, I think this team is even better. So maybe he should be remembered as “The Turning Point” coach. The Cowboys were stuck in neutral or even reverse, and he got them turned in the right direction and shifted into drive.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who reallys gives a flying F**********
let Bill pPPPPPPPPPPP wreck Miami next – then leave them hanging
by GimmyJ on Jul 26, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
enough allready
its a dead issue right about now, he probably feels safe about his comments cause there not the schedule this year, our future success is due to Coach Wade & co.
Bill Who?
by bleedn blu on Jul 26, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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