Number 38 Back To Being A Force?

by Far Rider on Jul 29, 2008 7:17 AM CDT Comment 25 comments

At least that is what Jean Jacques Taylor of the Dallas Morning News is thinking. The full article is here: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/072908dnspotaylor.4384dbc.html.

It's a good read, and I'm as big a Roy Williams fan as you can be. But he made a comment that troubles me. As JJT wrote:

He must also stop thinking about the horse-collar tackle. The NFL suspended him for a game last December for frequently violating the rule prohibiting horse-collar tackles.

Roy's response was:

"Last year, I really worried about it. This year, I'm not," Williams said. "If it happens, it happens. I can't let that dictate my play on the field.

Um.. Roy, that's a 15 yard penalty. Maybe you should worry about it.

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sounds like his atitude is much better this year

we just need him to be a force in the running game since they’re moving Henry to safety in the nickel.

I think Roy will step up his game, he’s definitely capable of being a dominant player, he just needs to start playing like one again.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 29, 2008 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If that is Roy's attitude towards horse collaring

we won’t have to worry about his coverage abilities because he will be suspended for most of the season.

by Billito on Jul 29, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's a ridiculous rule

I’d don’t care if he does it when he has too, but I’d much rather him quit letting guys run by him first…

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by TheJeezus on Jul 29, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

it's not a ridiculous rule

It’s a very dangerous tackle that could end the career of a player in an instant.

by Deke on Jul 29, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats why it was legal in the NFL

for over 80 years

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by Terry on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I wonder how many players have been seriously injured and their career’s ended by that tackle over the years. I’ll bet there’s no stats on it.

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by Far Rider on Jul 29, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ANY tackle can be a dangerous tackle and seriously hurt someone. I dont get why they are targetting this pentaly only either. Why dont they start suspending guys for 3 facemask or something whats with the discrimnation.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 29, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point

Tackle football is an extremely dangerous sport no matter how much you want to regulate it and players can end their careers on any given play, illegal or not.

If you want to penalize the horse collar technique because its more dangerous ie the face mask rule, okay.. but suspending a player is going too far because players aren’t suspended for grabbing a face mask multiple times. I would think a snapped neck is far worse than a snapped ankle.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 29, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's fair to call it intent to injure and suspend

I think you make a fair point about repeat offenders on facemasks, but I think this is more like consistently spearing guys or making helmet-to-helmet hits (like, say, Rodney Harrison). The horsecollar is really dangerous and that was made clear the year Roy hurt 2 guys (including TO) and others went down. The reason it was legal for so long is that there was no Roy Williams – he really made it into a weapon and I agree with the decision to outlaw it.

Roy may not consciously want to hurt guys, but it’s reckless disregard at some point. The league would be failing to protect players if they didn’t make it a penalty. Any tackle can be dangerous but horsecollar tackles are obviously more dangerous than average if you look at the recent history of them.

I hope Roy can move past it, but everyone just needs to realize that the rules are the rules, even if they aren’t good for Roy.

by grapejoos on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

it should be illegal but for a player to be suspended for doing it multiple times i think is going too far. When other personal foul pentalities arent being tallied up against the player

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thinking about it..

Maybe he is treating it like a golfer and not focusing on not hitting in to the lake, instead focusing on making a tackle.

He was probably running to the ball thinking don’t horse collar, now he can run the ball and think wrap up..

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by Wmillion on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The angles he takes causes him to be in the horse-tackling position.

He likes throwing people to the ground. If he wrapped up into them, he push them forward several more yards. I guess he’s trying to save that yardage, but now there’s league consequences.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on Jul 29, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angles

That’s the biggest reason Roy has to do the horse collar. He gets caught out of position and ends up taking a bad angle to the ball, at which point the only way he can bring the player down is with the horse collar. This could be eliminated with a little extra film study, as Roy would be less apt to be out of position if he were better able to analyze the play and get to the spot he needs to be in.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 29, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll believe it when I see it out of Roy

same tired player wearing a different number sounds like to me. Reports so far from camp aren’t too encouraging from Roy. I thought he lost 20 pounds or something, but Grizz said he looks only a few pounds lighter.

Roy needs to be the MVP of this team this season to stand a chance of being around next year.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 29, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

MVP Ha!

If Roy Williams is the MVP of the 2008 Dallas Cowboys, then we will all be eagerly awaiting the last week in April because we will have a top 5 pick.

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better chance of being hit by lighting Louie..lol

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by Boyzfan94 on Jul 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

back to basics

i never liked that horse-collar tackle, i think its a lazy tackle. when they put a rule on it , i was”nt mad. that rule clearly effected Roy,(mentally,seemed to start losing focus). Hopefully Campo can get that focus back(we need the #1 Headbanger back).
on the other hand the league seems to always pick Cowboy players for coming up with a new rule.
M.Irvin(so called pushing off)
E.Williams( the highly effective head slap)
R.Williams(horse collar)
and im sure these are”nt the only players to ever use these moves, jus sayn

by bleedn blu on Jul 29, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You forgot the MB3 "no punching" rule

Now that one makes me mad. MB3 wasn’t injuring anyone, just punking them.

by grapejoos on Jul 29, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heres something that i can't stand...

it’s nt vince wilfolk of the pats. he throws an elbow at qbs knees when he’s going down he poked some player in the eye he is the dirtyest player without a doubt in the nfl.

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Jul 31, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel the same about Seymore and Rodney Harrison.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on Jul 31, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel the same about Seymore and Rodney Harrison.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on Jul 31, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He feels so strongly, he posted it twice. HAHA

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 31, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tech difficulties there.

But yeah, I really despise them.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger (Bigrigga31) on Jul 31, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hear u

I don’t hate seymore, rodney harrison is another story. He is a proven cheater, him and his boss..

I still love tom brady laughing at plaxico comments on them being held to 17 points…

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 1, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

deke

Had a write comparing spears and canty.. I wanted him to compare Roy stats with the top safeties in league. I haven’t seen a post yet. I bet you would be hard pressed to find that Roy’s stats don’t lineup..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 1, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs