Cowboys interested in Simms as backup?

give up the 5th if that is the cost

I am just not sure he is healthy, if he is 100% it is a no-brainer IMO..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 29, 2008 11:07 PM CDT 0 recs

These can't be the only options.

Why does Indy have to have Gray AND Lorezon. Throw us a bone (or at least Sorgi), you’re QB will be back and those guys will just rot.

Of course, Simms is more intriguing than Brad because he's new. If we had him-all coming off a crazy injury and all-and we saw Brad out there as the best option, he might look just as good.

Either way, it sucks. Dallas needs a Bernie Kosar, a Rodney Peete, a Randall Cunningham.

Bartel doesn’t sound good at all. And Terre..I mean #10…please.

Any other suggestions out there? Vinny?

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 30, 2008 12:12 AM CDT 0 recs

Drunken block quote mistake killed my point.

Something like—if we had Simms with his injury and Brad was available, he’d look as hopeful as Simms is now.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 30, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

LOL

Dangerous to drink and block quote at the same time.

I don’t think we need to give up any picks for Simms, he’s going to be cut. If TB wants to squeeze a pick from Dallas, put something better up there.
Keep the picks and see who’s available after Aug 30th, the day rosters have to be cut to 53.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 30, 2008 12:44 AM CDT up 0 recs

One Problem

If you wait til final cuts, you get a backup guy who doesn’t know the offense early in the season, and if something happens then, you might as well just resign Brad off the street because you’ll have to cut back the offense til the new guy learns things.

Tom Grieve is my hero.

by tasan on Jul 30, 2008 2:15 AM CDT up 0 recs

They'll probably keep Brad on the roster anyway

Then add whoever as the #3 QB.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 30, 2008 5:52 AM CDT up 0 recs

I don't think

They’ll keep 3 Qb’s on the active roster

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Jul 30, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up 0 recs

I don't think Simms is better than Johnson

arm strength isn’t everything at the qb position.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 7:23 AM CDT 0 recs

Oh how I miss Matt Moore

That was a bit of an oopsie to try and sneek that guy to the practice squad last year.

by Impatient on Jul 30, 2008 8:47 AM CDT 0 recs

I'd rather trade for him than Simms.

Maybe Carolina will feel they don’t need him as much with a healthy Delhomme.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 30, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

Johnson

I think for a small, very small amount of time, we can ride our D, our running game, and a short passing game to enough weapons if Romo goes down, and I would rather have Johnson ‘managing’ that type of game.

However any significant amount of time lost by Romo and our season is shot anyway, NEITHER Johnson or Simms are going to come in and play half the season and get us to the superbowl.
Romo could miss a few games, say 4, we would proably lose 2 of those 4, that would certainly cost us homefield throughout and a bye, however we could possibly salvage the division and a home playoff game. Get Romo back and be full strength in the playoffs….
any more time lost than that and we are DONE!

by stephena on Jul 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT 0 recs

I prefer

Simms he lead a team to the playoffs in 05, Brad hasn’t lead a team to the playoffs since 02.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up 0 recs

dude, that was 3 years ago before his injury

Simms is garbage and there’s no way he’d lead us to the playoffs.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

IMO

Brad is garbage now, I wish he had an excuse like an injury.. Did you watch his last year in Minnestoa, the guy was horrible? Best thing Brad can do is hold for FG’s.

Simms is garbage and there’s no way he’d lead us to the playoffs.

You can now tell the future? Can I get some Lotto numbers?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up 1 recs

I agree

Johnson can get us by for a short period of time, but there’s no qb out there who is going to come in and perform well enough to get us in the playoffs if Romo gets seriously hurt.

If our OL is as good as I think they are, this is a problem we shouldn’t be the least bit concerned about.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up 0 recs

If

Todd Collins can do it on the Skins, someone can do it on the Cowboys…

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

I disagree

Collins is an employable backup, there isn’t a street FA unemployed as good as Collins.

Trading a draft pick for a backup is a waste IMO when the chances are slim that person will ever see the field.

BTW, you saw how quickly the Skins were eliminated from the playoffs as well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

Collins was a perfect fit for the skins

because of his history with their complex offensive scheme. He knew it better than Campbell…We don’t have someone with a history with Garrett do we?

by Cal in DC on Aug 3, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

Better to wait on Tampa

They have other QBs I’d rather have that might become available. I’d rather give a 5th rounder for Gradkowski than Simms (though I do think we need to improve the #2 QB). If not for the bad blood between him and TO, I would say bring in Garcia if Tampa lands Favre and Garcia is willing to sign as a backup.

Otherwise I think we can just wait for Indy to cut Lorenzen or Sorgi. I wouldn’t mind Lorenzen for his Giants knowledge.

by grapejoos on Jul 30, 2008 11:37 AM CDT 0 recs

I can't believe Garcia would want to be a backup

But If he did we would be set at QB.

by CounterEMF on Jul 30, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'd pass

too much bad blood between him and T.O. and plus you’re right, Garcia will retire before he sits the bench again.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Grad plays for St. Louis

I’d rather give a 6 rounder or nothing at all for Gradkowski he will be fighting for a job in St Louis – Bulger- T Green – Brock Berlin then Gradkowski

there will be good QB’s out there who will get cut

by GimmyJ on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

Oops!

Thanks for pointing that out. I don’t think he’s great or anything, but I think he’s better than Simms.

by grapejoos on Jul 30, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

Here's what will happen.

I know this because it always happens. Jerry has already tipped his hand to TB. Everyone knew that they were going to eventually dump Simms, and he could have been had for nothing. Now that they’re on to us, Jerry will bid against himself until he convinces himself that Chris Simms is worth a 4th rounder this year and a conditional pick next year. This sound familiar to anyone?

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 30, 2008 11:48 AM CDT 0 recs

Johnson would really have to suck in preseason

for that to ever happen, and I mean really suck.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 30, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

From everything I've read,

he’s really sucking in TC. If you can’t throw passes in the flat without one hopping them, you have no place being an NFL QB.

by Mandmeisterx on Jul 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ugh, that's not a pretty picture

But I really hope we don’t give TB jack squat for Simms. At most a 2010 conditional draft pick, if he passes a thorough check up, and has an impressive workout.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 30, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

He had a spleenectomy

Removal of his spleen and he may still have symptoms from it

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Jul 30, 2008 2:55 PM CDT 0 recs

What kind of problems might that cause?

Sorry if my question sounds stupid it’s not meant to be.

by CounterEMF on Jul 30, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Problems

In healthy people, the spleen plays a role in immunity against bacterial infections. The spleen is in the uppermost area of the left side of the abdomen, just under the diaphragm. It typically has attachments to the stomach, left kidney, and colon.

http://www.drugs.com/enc/spleen-removal.html

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks

by CounterEMF on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Brad allready sucks

we only in practice, & cant complete any passes with any consistincy, what will happen against another team tryn to kill him.(i dont want too picture that). We know there’s a problem there, i just want to address it before its too late.
not totally down on Brad, #3 QB is ok for now.(holding for field goals & xtra pts. excellent)
Assuming nothing could happen to Romo: we cant go into the season unprepared like that.
not sure who, but confident we”ll fiqure it out.

by bleedn blu on Jul 30, 2008 3:23 PM CDT 0 recs

Brad sucks...period...end of subject.....

Dante Culpepper, Leftwich, anyone besides Brad Johnson….I am all for waiting till the last week of camp and taking on a suprise QB cut (JP Losman, Joey Harrington)......keep Brad for a week or two , then cut him and insert the new guy…..Culpepper, with no practice, no play book, is better than Brad in his prime for pete’s sake…...If Farve goes to Tampa…..someone will have to be released….Griese, Simms, Garcia

Brad must GO….been saying it since the day we signed him…..HE’s Horrible.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Jul 30, 2008 7:14 PM CDT 0 recs

+1

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 30, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think Harrington would be the best of those options.

Don’t see Garcia wanting to be a backup if Favre goes to TB

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up 0 recs

agree

Harrington is an excellent backup qb

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up 0 recs

He will not be cut

Neither will Losman.. Teams aren’t cutting quality back-ups..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Outrageous

Culpepper, with no practice, no play book, is better than Brad in his prime for pete’s sake

Have you seen Culpepper play since he left Minnesota? I’d take him as a backup, but the guy sucks now. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Just a ludicrous statement.

by grapejoos on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

I totally agree

Brad Johnson isn’t as bad as most BTB fans think. Sure, he doesn’t have a great arm, but usually makes all the right decisions on where to throw the ball and thats more important

The guy has a ton of experience which is what you want in a backup.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Brad Stinks

Culpepper would be better, but there is no point in debating, culpepper isn’t signing with Dallas, and if he does it be a sad day because something bad had to happen for him to sign here.

He is waiting on Aaron Rodgers to do what he normally does and sign in GB.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

just because he has a stronger arm

doesn’t mean he’s better.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

i never referenced arm strength

Now that you mention it the fact that Brad has the arm of 10 yr old, makes ir rough for him to compete in the NFL..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

well thats what you obviously were

referring to, his arm strength because in all other areas of playing qb Johnson is highly superior.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

high superior

Only thing he is highly superior in is place holding.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

for TERRY

1. Brad Johnson. He’s looked pretty good the last two days, threw a nice deep ball in the morning practice on Wednesday. He seems to always make the right play.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

I thought I read somewhere that Culpepper is a cancer in the locker room

by Deke on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Have you seen Culpepper play ???? would have been 2006 MVP if it wasn't for Peyton's fantastic record breaking season.

You saw him playing in Miami, completely unhealthy, on one leg, trying to be competitive with absolutely no o line or viable offensive weapons…....then in Oakland, still not fully recovered, with a dysfunctional team, no offensive line, and even worse offensive weapons…...your point ?

ludicrous you say?? yet you say you’d take him as a back up…......dude ?? but he sucks now ??

I assure you, you put Culpepper behind our behemouth O line, and give him TO and Witten, and MBIII and Crayton and Felix ….and he would take us to the playoffs…..I am positive of this…...Does Brad Johnson take us to a winning record ??...I am positively sure we would have a losing record if Brad had to play any substantial games this year….

Have you seen Brad Johnson throw ??? ....since his so called Super Bowl, and he wasn’t all that WAY back then either….and I’m a FSU fan…......come on guy, I expect better from you joos.

If you don’t think Culpepper was/is/can be a better back up QB option than a 40 year old, rag armed, joke of a back up named Brad Johnson, you aren’t really keeping up with the times guy.

The only position we CAN NOT afford to lose our starter is at QB…..the one position that is completely unaddressed going into camp…..I’d take Quincy Carter over Brad Johnson….and you have no idea how much that pains me to say. IF Romo goes down….so does ANY hope whatsoever of us winning anything.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 1, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up 1 recs

I got news for you Boyz

Culpepper isn’t leading us to the playoffs anymore than Johnson. There is a reason he’s unemployed, he’s washed up.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 1, 2008 7:19 AM CDT up 0 recs

This is a belated reply, but...

I agree, Culpepper was great in Minnesota. One of the best in the league. He had one of the greatest seasons ever for a QB. But the guy you saw in Miami and Oakland is what he is now. A guy who hasn’t been the same since his injury, convinced of his own abilities, and who doesn’t know his team or its scheme particularly well. He’d be the same thing here.

Frankly, Minnesota should bring the guy back. In my opinion, Culpepper is finished, and he’s certainly not ready to embrace being a backup.

by grapejoos on Aug 6, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

He's sorry, plain and simple.

I could see him being like Donovon in the locker room. If it ain’t his team, he will complain.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 31, 2008 4:07 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm talkin bout Culpepper btw

would rather just keep Brad and Bartel.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 31, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 31, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Are you just assuming?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm assuming based on the mouth he had on him in Minn.

The dude wants to start, so there’s no way he’s coming to Dallas anyways.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Jul 31, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree with that..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Jul 31, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

HUH ?......mouth he had ? where do you come up with this garbage ?

Culpepper is not, will not be a starting QB anywhere this year…..so you think he is just going to roll over and quit the NFL ????.....the dude wants to be paid, he wants a ring, he would fit in very well here…..if he came here , he would clearly know he isn’t the starter, won’t be the starter, he can only learn the system and be ready to play if called upon…...a stronger arm ?? sure, more mobile ??...sure…bigger, faster, stronger, better than our options now…?....sure he is…......NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

how in the world would you not welcome that ??

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 1, 2008 1:07 AM CDT up 0 recs

more intelligent??

NO!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 1, 2008 7:20 AM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry, I'm not a fan of his.

I think that right now Dallas is trying to fill the team with players who have UPSIDE. They already have a QB going downhill. But Brad has more backup experience than Culpepper and I doubt he has pipe dreams anymore about throwing for 3000 yards.

Culpepper’s too high maintenance. How can you not see that? We already have a media darling in Romo. But he’s a team guy. The star on the side of these helmets would run Culpepper out of town. His career is shaky, his knee is shaky, probably his confidence too.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Aug 1, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up 0 recs

I guess Phillips agrees with me

Phillips said he’s leaning toward keeping Brad Johnson as the primary backup to Romo. He loves the fact that Johnson has led a team to a Super Bowl and thinks people make too much of his lack of arm strength.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/columns/story?columnist=mosley_matt&id=3511029

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 1, 2008 2:36 PM CDT 0 recs

I'll trust that Wade knows

what his best option is right now. Guys coming off major injuries are so “iffy”. If he can do this, If he can do that. It’s a waste of time to wait around for some comeback player when you’re focus is winning now.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Bigrigga31 on Aug 1, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

I still think Dallas picks up a 3rd QB

Either a young guy with big upside, or a vet with a minimum 5 years in the league.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 1, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree

Good thing about having Brad as a back-up is your will never hear the fans calling for him to play if Romo has an off game..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 1, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Chris Simms isn’t worth a draft pick. Signing him as a FA would be a waste of perfectly good ink and paper. He’s awful, simply does not have what it takes to be an NFL QB. He whined at Texas for having to backup Applewhite and then he whined at TB for having to backup Garcia. When he’s not whining, he’s choking away big games by either fumbling or throwing 5 ints. He cannot handle the pressure of big games, nor can he avoid pass rush. He needs to go back to NJ and fade away.

by GimmyJ on Aug 1, 2008 4:44 PM CDT 0 recs

+1

his father, he is NOT.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 1, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

I am over it..

I disagree, but it doesn’t matter he is not coming here. I am sure he would to be traded to a team where he would have a chance to start..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 1, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

the only time tampa bay..

...went to the playoffs w/ him, they would’ve won if that receiver hadn’t DROPPED the TD pass that simply went through his hands..if a playoff game isn’t a big game, then i don’t know what is

by vy til i die on Aug 1, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

Should have a shot at..

Jared Lorenzen and Quinn Gray.. I imagine when Indy makes cuts they will keep Sorgi and cut both..

Give me Gray

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 2, 2008 8:41 PM CDT 0 recs

MAYB ENOT..

What we do know is Jim Sorgi will see more time than if Peyton Manning were playing, and that’s a good thing. After watching Sorgi look mediocre (and sometimes downright bad) in practice, he needs to prove he is a legit NFL QB

The QBs: Jim Sorgi was not sharp at all and Jarod Lorenzen flat out sucked. Of the three QBs, Quinn Gray looked the most sharp. MRW was very impressed with Gray, writing in his notes that Gray threw with confidence, good zip, and strong velocity. Gray’s got a strong arm, and does well with the pump fakes.

Quinn Gray continued to impress. He made a nice TD throw to Devin Aromashodu in one scrimmage. It was a thread-the-needle throw with lots of zip. Dungy reacted after the throw and liked what he saw

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 2, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up 0 recs