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Posting has been a little slow since it’s a holiday weekend. Here are some articles to read in the meantime.

The guys over at DC.com discuss a few issues about the Cowboys.. The interesting one was their predictions for an unknown player to make noise out at Oxnard in a couple of weeks. Rob Phillips and Mickey Spags both jumped on sixth-round draft choice Erik Walden. That was kind of a surprise to me considering we hadn’t heard much about that kid since he was drafted. Hey, I’m all for more OLB’s that can rush the passer. I’ll keep an eye on him out at training camp. Nick Eatman went for WR Mike Jefferson. That may be true, but only if he apologizes to Roberto Duran for stealing the nickname “Hands of Stone” at last year’s camp. Seriously, the kid could get open but couldn’t catch a cold.

 JJT says bring Favre back, Green Bay. It will be good for Dallas. Why?

That's because [Favre’s] one of the most overrated, overhyped, good quarterbacks of this generation.

Harsh. But this made me giggle. He followed up that sentence with this one:

Yes, he's a first-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback based on his record-setting statistics and one Super Bowl championship,

 I don’t know, it’s hard for me to say a first-ballot Hall of Fame QB can be overrated. JJT does a fair job of breaking down the stats of Favre’s career that we’ve all seen. He throws a lot of INT’s – I mean a lot – and he’s only been so-so in the postseason, etc. Overhyped I might agree with, no one cringes more than me when John Madden swears Favre walks on water immediately following a totally bone-head play. But still, if you’re agreeing a player is a first-ballot HOF’er, can they be overrated? I’m just asking.

Another “Phillips better win or the boy-wonder could take his job” story. But in this one, apparently even Phillips agrees.

Phillips has told confidants that he has to win this fall. The seat might not be hot, but it sure looks uncomfortable.

 Fifth-round draft choice Orlando Scandrick doesn’t lack for confidence. He does have that one dimension that all coaches crave in their secondary – speed.

Hat tip to scottmaui for the link.

Another call for the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl. 

Is anybody else as confident about Brad Johnson as Jerry is? 

Q: A few weeks ago you said you would be open to getting a backup QB. You still trying to do that?

Jerry: "All the confidence. A lot of confidence in Brad. Had real good camps and real good work."

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Sandrick is looking like a potential draft steal...

The irony is that there’s no room at the Inn. The Cowboys have 4 guys in front of him for only 2 starting spots. What a tremendous luxury, and what a change from last year. I felt we needed two good RBs and two good CBs … we ended up getting 3 good RBs w/ AJones and Choice is looking like a solid RB.

This team filled the crucial holes, and thus are as deep as any team in the league.

Tar Heels football will surprise this year

by DalaiLuke on Jul 6, 2008 12:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, 3 good CBs...

Tar Heels football will surprise this year

by DalaiLuke on Jul 6, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hands off Luke!

Scandrick’s my cat. Just sayin.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 6, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You picked a good pet cat

He’s going to stick, he’s insurance against Pacman blowing his chance, plus he’ll be right in the mix down the road when Henry is either moved to safety of released. I’m just loving that the Boys went all out to upgrade the secondary.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 7, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here

I think Jenkins will be really good, but it’s nice to have two solid prospects in case one doesn’t pan out. And if both are as good as we hope? This could be a very, very good defense for years to come.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 7, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's SCANDRICK...

...but who’s watching?..lol

by vy til i die on Jul 6, 2008 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There will be room if Henry moves to FS

If the team converts Henry to FS (which seems increasingly likely, at least in some situations), that would give Scandrick an opportunity to play as the 4th CB. Now, that would be a Quarter package essentially, but it would be nice to put that degree of athleticism on the field in prevent situations (Newman and Jones and Henry and Hamlin and Jenkins and Scandrick, oh my!). Of course, the other possibility of him seeing the field is if another CB gets injured.

I agree that it’s a big luxury to have such an upgraded CB corps – for one, it makes the Henry conversion an option. It remains to be seen how much trust the rookies can earn, but Jenkins figures to find his game sometime this season and Scandrick hopefully will around the same time.

by grapejoos on Jul 6, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 7, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think that's the plan

for the 2009 season.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 7, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Why move the Vet to make room for Rookies? Give them a year to get used the speed of the NFL..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I agree with you both, I think that the full-time plan for 2009 will hopefully be Hamlin and Henry at safety. For this year, we’ll just see Henry at safety in nickel/dime packages, to cover TEs.

by grapejoos on Jul 7, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait until Henry has his annual injury

then when he is out for 4-6 weeks with a high ankle sprain, the young guys can get some reps to prepare them for increased playing time in the playoffs.

by Billito on Jul 7, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope your wrong

BUT they guy has only played one full season in his career..

It is a shame when missing games is the norm..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The revival of the hat tip

What a change from Tuna Helper. Good articles bad monitoring of the site

by Impatient on Jul 6, 2008 1:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Grizz only allocates TH and B-Dog

a couple of tips per week. He’s VERY strict.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 6, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I thought it might be something like that

by Impatient on Jul 6, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As regards Favre: only one SB ring; so so record in Playoff games; threw a LOT of pics.
Yet its agreed he will be a first ballot HOF.
So why is that a contradiction?
This is the same HOF that will not let Bob Hayes in. Someone who made more of an impact on the game then Favre EVER did. For 7 years he was the most feared WR in the game. Favre was NEVER the most feared QB in the game.
So it makes perfect sense the the very imperfect (and frankly putrid) HOF voters will take Favre in on their shoulders while giving the back of their hands to Hayes.

by burmafrd1944 on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Hayes

did not have Madden slobbering all over him for his entire career and thats what punches the hall of fames ticket. He will get in but with a hanging chad….

by Impatient on Jul 6, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre is great partly because of his endurance

He just played so many damn games that he broke all the records, but it was at least partly due to the sheer volume, not necessarily overall averages or consistency, and of course one can’t ignore that when it comes to sheer volume, he leads in INTs as well. He looked really, really bad against us last year before he got injured, impatiently trying to force it down the field and making poor choices. Rodgers looked good in part because we didn’t game plan for him, but still, he did perform better than Favre.

by scottmaui on Jul 6, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre ain't perfect

But he holds some very important NFL passing records as well as the likely unbeatable Iron Man record while playing through some significant injuries. He’s pretty much the toughest QB in NFL history and that earns a ton of respect, even before you factor in the all-time passing marks.

I agree with Grizz’s take on this. Even those that qualify Favre’s greatness because of his decision-making at times must agree that he is a first-ballot HOFer with those drawbacks considered.

by grapejoos on Jul 6, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some of that record...

..could be attributed to the fact that the defense can’t even BREATHE on the QB w/o getting a penalty

by vy til i die on Jul 7, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but that's a constant

And I’ve seen Favre pop up and get in the face of a guy who sacked him more than every other QB combined.

Certainly it helps that defenders are discouraged from killing QBs, but Favre has played through more injuries than any QB I know.

I’m not even a member of the Favre fan club, but come on. Respect is due.

by grapejoos on Jul 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about

he earned 3 consecutive league MVPs noone has done that before

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 6, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Great Point, to say he wasn’t the most feared QB in the league at any point his career is bold statement considering he won the MVP 3 YEARS in a row, too me that means you were the best player in the league. Favre deserves a lot of the credit he receives. He put up great stats for years, did he throw more picks then you would like yes, but that is what happens when you are risk taker.
QB’s who I would take over Favre- Manning, Brady, Aikman, Montana, Marino, and Elway. I am just naming Qb’s I have seen with my own two eyes. So Favre is one of the ten QB’s in the last 25 years or so.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 6, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre also never had a HOF WR

Other than Sterling Sharpe – who was on a HOF pace before injuries forced early retirement – Favre never had a HOF receiving target. Nor did he have a HOF RB. That makes him different than pretty much every great QB of the modern era – Montana, Young, Aikman, Brady, Manning, Bradshaw, etc. That he still has the all-time record for TD passes and yards is all the more impressive in light of that.

by grapejoos on Jul 6, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FAVRE

The more I looked at his stats and reflected on his career, the more I give Favre props.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 6, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he won his MVP's

The media slobbered all over Favre for his entire career. Their relentless love for him even got him the MVP in 1995 when the Cowboys beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl. I think the media just didn’t want it to go to a Cowboy. He had some good teams around him but only won one Super Bowl in 17 seasons. I don’t think Dallas fans would be happy with that result. In fact, what group of fans would? However, he is a lock for the HOF. I’m just glad that we had Aikman during that era and the three rings that he helped bring to Dallas.

by rrb on Jul 6, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

favre + irvin would be really scary.. scarier then with aikman

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 6, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I mixed on that

I think Aikman benefited from Emmitt, but it also stopped him from putting huge passing stats.

Aikman has 3 rings and is Hall of Famer, but he will never be considered a top 10 QB because he his job was to hand off to emmitt, and manage the game. Both Troy Aikman and Micheal Irvin could have put up profilic stats if we throw the ball more, but it wasn’t necessary.

Brett Favre threw the ball a lot more then Aikman on average, so Favre’s stats are better. Troy only had one season over 20 td’s, and only two good passing seasons. Year in and Year out, he put up medicore stats, not saying he wasn’t valuable, but his numbers just aren’t there.

What does Cowboy nation think? Favre or Aikman? I included a link for each of their stats.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm

http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/profile?id=FAV540222

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 6, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre

he did more with less

Plus his streak of consecutive starts is unparalleled in any position in any sport and noone will come close to it.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 6, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoopie. So he was tough. Does not mean he deserves the HOF. What was his career Rating? Also- it can be argued that the Packs was a better team for more of his career then it was for Aikman. So he did not have a HOF WR. Or RB. He also played in a much less tough division. ANd some people miss the point – who VOTES for MVP? It sure ain’t the players or the coaches. You look at those years and who would you as a D rather face: AIkman or Favre? Or for that matter Young at the beginning.

by burmafrd1944 on Jul 6, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying

That the QB who has started more consecutive games than any player ever, who holds the all-time marks in passing yards and TDs (and INTs) should not be in the HOF?

MVPs can be quibbled with, but if Favre doesn’t deserve to go in the HOF, no QB does.

by grapejoos on Jul 7, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, QB rating

Favre’s career QB rating of 85.7 is higher than those of Jim Kelly, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Bart Starr, Warren Moom, Sonny Jurgensen, Len Dawson, Dan Fouts, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Terrry Bradshaw (by a mile), and a bunch of other guys that were deemed HOF worthy. Not all of his career was in the current pass-wacky era that is pushing current QBs so high up the all-time rating list.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2356

Yeah, I get it, Madden swooning is annoying. It’s part of the reason why everyone hates the Cowboys – Madden always loves them. Don’t let it blind you to Favre’s greatness.

by grapejoos on Jul 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre is a great QB

and totally deserves to be in the HOF for many reasons but the guy is a MAJOR choker in big games. There is no way I would take him over Aikman or Brady in a big game. The guy is a blast to watch and puts up great numbers in the regular season but I have watched him throw about 3 of the top 5 all time worst postseason passes ever including his final INT against the Giants last year.

by Billito on Jul 7, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like

Aikman 2 Favre 0, put me down for Aikman, so 3-0

I wish Aikman could had one season to just show off his skills..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

The guy has made a lot of costly bad decisions in playoff games. I would also take Aikman or Brady in a big game. But he still won a Super Bowl. He also had the misfortune of playing against the two best teams of the 90s in his own conference in the years when he and the Packers were championship-caliber.

But, point taken.

by grapejoos on Jul 8, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell you who is first ballot HOFer

who is overrated, Terry Bradshaw.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 6, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Terry

You didn’t answer my question. Aikman or Favre?

Bradshaw man that guy gets the business from the fans. I never seen him play, so I can’t speak either way, but man he takes a beating..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on record as saying

Aikman is the best QB of all time so obviously Aikman. I consider him the best because if I needed to win just one game for a championship, I’d pick him every single time. His numbers would have been awesome if he was with a team where he needed to throw a lot.

He played within himself perfectly and was totally unselfish, and as a result won 3 championships so he’s #1 in my book.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 7, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aikman spoke to that last year

I am not sure what game it was, but Joe Buck asked him could he have put stats similar to Brady. He said he knows he could have, but they didn’t need him to because they had Emmitt.

So Aikman 1, Favre 0.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No arguement at all about Bradshaw. Put him on a lesser team and he NEVER makes it with his stats. And he was bailed out many times by acrobatic catches by his WRs. Which is why THEY made the HOF- always having to make great catches of badly thrown balls.

by burmafrd1944 on Jul 7, 2008 3:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you're absolutely correct

I watched Bradshaw growing up in the ‘70s as a kid and all he did was just throw the ball up for grabs to Stallworth and Swann and they usually came down with it.

The guy had 2 HOF WRs, HOF OL, HOF RB and a defense littered with HOFers, all Bradshaw had to do was keep his INTs to a minimum as he wasn’t the most accurate passer that ever played.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 7, 2008 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what i was

trying to say in the other fanpost… i used the example of terry bradshaw and marino to prove having superbowl rings doesnt make you great and not having them doesnt make you bad

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 7, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

favre

So do you still think Favre doesn’t deserve to get in?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remeber the post

You were trying to say Tom Brady is Terry Bradshaw, I was saying that you were way off.

They mentioned in the Post that bradshaw had 2 hof WR’, and HOF Rb.. Tom Brady had none of that for his 3 super bowl wins.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what..

i was trying to say is bradys stats dont get anywhere near Mannings.. brady has the rings over manning thats it but Manning it still better. I used the bradshaw example to prove having 4 rings doesnt mean you are a great qb.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 7, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point

You were making Brady-Bradshaw and Peyton- Marino.

Brady can do everything Peyton can do, but the Superbowl Victories put him over the top..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 7, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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