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Dallas Cowboys reportedly looking for QB help

 

So the Dallas Cowboys are quietly in the market for a quarterback. No silly, we’re not talking about replacing Tony Romo. But looking at the #2 spot on the Cowboys roster you have a player who is so old he was once quoted by the Canaan Daily News as calling Methuselah  "a spring chicken; a guy who has a chance once he matures." I kid. But Brad Johnson is old enough to have been drafted in the ninth round. That’s the equivalent of being drafted on the seventh day in today’s NFL draft.

The report states that multiple sources are confirming the Cowboys are looking at getting a bit younger at the backup QB spot. Once the Cowboys brass watched Johnson play extensive minutes in the Washington game last year, they realized that his arm just might be…ummm…shot. Did it really take that game to realize that? Probably not. The question is why the Cowboys have waited this long to pursue a #2 option. It makes you wonder about the validity of the story.

Anyway, the name supposedly being floated around Valley Ranch is…

The name that continues to float around Valley Ranch is former Texas star Chris Simms. Simms, 26, is under contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and has told friends he would definitely be interested in signing with the Cowboys.

He’s still the property of the Bucs but that may not last long.

So what do you think? Yea or nay on Chris Simms?

Star_medium 

DC.com is running a series of articles on getting to know your assistant coaches. Today’s first installment profiles secondary coach Brett Maxie who is working mainly with the safeties.

Maxie has gotten good results with that approach in the past. In his one year with Miami, Maxie coached a group of unheralded players into being the fourth-best secondary in the league, allowing only 188 passing yards per game.

At Atlanta, Maxie coached now-Oakland Raider DeAngelo Hall to two Pro Bowls and 12 interceptions over three years. In San Francisco, results were similar, since in Maxie's final two seasons with the club, safety Tony Parrish intercepted 16 passes.

And now, with what he said is the most talented secondary he's been around, he hopes to recreate the same success. Players already seem to be buying into his approach after four OTA's and one mini-camp.

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Yes, sign Simms....

I would sign Simms, because he’s just Jerry’s type of player - a). he’ll be cheap since not many would want to take a chance on him right now without any playing time in forever, and coming off a horrific injury - and b). he is a student of the game, from a real football family, and I believe that he will be committed to learning the Cowboys system. He is young so he’ll have plenty of time to come along and mature—and he can stick with us awhile.

-Hakrjak

by hakrjak on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no way, Simms is absolute garbage

He stunk when he actually played and being out of football for 2 years probably has made him even worse, if thats possible.

I’d take Brad Johnson over Simms any day and twice on Sunday.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 8, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me and Terry are sharing a brain

No thanks on Simms, BUTTTTTTTTTTTT I would love to see a QB with some Arm Strength backing up Romo. I have to agree, that Arm looks shot.

Matt Moore was the man, D@mn Panthers..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Brad

Honestly, if we have to rely on Simms OR Johnson to win us a game or more we are in trouble.
Our success will ride with Romo at QB, any extended absense there will be the end of our season, so we need a back up that IF needed in SHORT relief can manage a game and just NOT lose it.
I would take Brad Johnson’s experience over Simms.
IF we need a backup for one game we MIGHT be able to ride someone who won’t make mistakes, manage the game, and just get us through by handing to MBIII and throwing SHORT to Witten.
I think that person is Brad.

by stephena on Jul 8, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stick with brad

and rely on the running game plus short passes to whitten

by bkcowboy on Jul 8, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Romo had to go down

It needs to be betweeen weeks 5-10. We could hold on during that strech with Grandpa Brad back there.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CO-SIGN

Quinn Gray arm strength is not a problem and he has won games in the NFL. Too bad we didn’t grab Gus Frerotte that guy is good for a couple 300 yd games off the bench..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Brad, but the arm strength question is troubling

If he had to start more than a couple games, it would limit the offense. I still hope the Boys bring in Gray for a look. He seems like the best option available. Otherwise, maybe wait until the final cuts and see who shakes loose.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gray is awesome for a backup.

He’d be my #1 consideration for that spot.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have

Major Applewhite than Simms

by CounterEMF on Jul 8, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

man

He was definitely the better Qb

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

+1 for Major Applewhite!

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhh yeahhhhh

Too bad he’s coaching now.

by no1cowboysfan on Jul 9, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need

A third option

I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys

by stxshooter on Jul 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

None of the Above

Is Clint Longley available?

"Jerry Jones offers more second chances than a tent revival." -- Kevin Sherrington, The Dallas Morning News

www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]

by silverblue5 on Jul 8, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No but

Jason Garrett might be.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Daunte Culpepper. Daunte knows how to win games and works quite well in high octane offenses.

You never know, he may have just had the black hole disease that players tend to get in oakland.

by Zak on Jul 8, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm

I think you may be on to something. We all know what he can do with Talent around him, we have plenty of talent. I guess management doesn’t agree, he has been available for months. Maybe they have and he is like Leftwich wants an oppurtunity to compete for the starting job?

Not a lot of options out there..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh

Call me superstitious, but that guy has had a lot of losing going on around him of late. I’d rather have a super bowl winner at backup. I wish Tampa would cut Gradkowski, I’d take him as a #3.

by grapejoos on Jul 8, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would give Simms a look, though

If he’s dirt cheap, he has a chance to be a decent long-term backup. Maybe he could learn a thing or two from Garrett.

by grapejoos on Jul 8, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gradkowski

They say he will be the odd man out.. Garcia, Griese, and McCown.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TB cut Gradkowski a couple weeks ago

I think the Rams signed him

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grizz

Your thoughts? Keep it going with Brad or move on?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If it's Brad or Simms...

I’d stick with Brad. Simms hasn’t played in a while, I wasn’t very impressed with him when he did play and he doesn’t know our system at all and would have to learn it quickly in TC. That’s just not a good combination.

Not to say I wouldn’t mind replacing Brad…as mentioned above, Culpepper would be interesting. At least he’s experienced and has had seasons were he was among the best.

by Dave Halprin on Jul 8, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can they have both

Brad and Simms.?. sneak Bartel on the practice squad maybe if everybody shuts up about his potential so we don’t get Matt Moored again.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might be here already

I say cut Johnson and promote Richard Bartel to the #2 slot so he gets lots of reps from Day 1 in training camp and sees extensive playing time in preseason games. If Bartel looks horrible through August, cut him and re-sign Brad Johnson.

You know, a few years ago there was this guy mired in the #3 slot on the Dallas Cowboys’ quarterback depth chart, mostly because he wasn’t given an opportunity to play during the first three years of his career…..

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 8, 2008 12:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This wouldn't be an issue at all

If Matt Moore was kept on the 53 man roster last year, instead we’re now a year later and still haven’t addressed the role of a young developemental player at the QB position on this team. Keeping Terry Glenn instead on the active roster last year after the team specialist said he needed micro-fracture surgery was a mistake.

I think Simms is in the wrong system in Tampa for his abilities. I’m not a big fan of Jon Gruden, He’s an overrated head coach. Simms looked like he was turning the corner in Tampa before he was seriously injured and was never given a shot again to get his starting job back by Gruden, so if he released, then I think Dallas should sign him, but I wouldn’t trade a late draft pick for him when it looks like he’ll be cut anyway.

This teams season is going to come down to the receiver position, Last year I didn’t think this team was going to the superbowl with Reeves, nate Jones and Roy Williams in the secondary, The team outscored their problems in the secondary. Two are gone, the other will enjoy more and more time watching his peers from the bench, where he belongs. On offense, if either T.O or witten goes down, this offense will suffer greatly. The three main issues in the offseason was running back, corner and receiver. Two of those positions were filled, but a number two speed receiver that can stretch the field and open things up underneath is a serious issue for this team, something this team doesn’t really address year after year, instead drafts projects like Stanback, who I think has alot of upside but still very raw and probably a year away from really contributing, or undrafted free agents. Glenn cant pass a physical and is one wrong step away from being gone for the year and his career. If he signs his injury waiver, I doubt he makes it through six games. I could care less with all the blather about how great the young receivers look in OTA’s, that means very liitle, it’s coach speak, what would you expect them to say. I think Dallas will be scanning the waiver wire for a receiver.

Speaking of Blathering, I cant wait!!!(heavy sarcasm) We’re less than three weeks away from the biggest blathering idiot himself, jerry Jones and his hour of media address double talk about the state of the Union address of the cowboys and organization. An hour atleast where after you finish listening and trying to figure out what the hell he’s talking about, you’ll head for the medicine cabinet for the bottle of extra strength tylenol because of the headache you’ll get listening to him. Why he does this every year is beyond me, he says nothing of substance and contradicts himself twenty times during this yearly address.

I believe Hamlin will be signed to a long term deal within a next week or so while Canty will get a new deal done be the end of training camp.

by Deke on Jul 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Simms

From what I gather Simms still isn’t healthy, a lot of people who follow the team say something isn’t right. They say he is way off, losing a body a part affects you..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deke, look for Austin to fill that role

I think he has a breakout year and I bet the Cowboys are thinking that as well which is why they haven’t drafted any WRs very high the past few years.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 8, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill...

Some of us like listening to Jerry speak. I think it’s funny how careful he is about heated topics. He does know what he’s talking about; he just doesn’t want to spill too many beans.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I love Jerry’s State of the Franchise Speech. I always love it when Jerry gets going at a press conference. It’s part carnival barker (that’s a compliment), part outstanding General Manager and always, always Vegas Entertainer. Besides, anytime you can hear a brilliant businessman talk about his business and industry, it’s a good thing. Not sure who people would rather hear….Campo? Parcells? Boooooring.

Given the atmospheric hype and expectations surrounding the Cowboys, coupled with hard Knocks, you just know Jerry is going to be at his prime time best this summer. I can’t wait.

by Cowboy Louie on Jul 8, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

with so much going on,tend to forget about the back-up. we might be in a little trouble if Tony goes down for some weeks. Right now i think Brad, he”s been around here & can still advise Tony on stuff. Simms, his injury has just destroyed his career, if he”s healthy he deserves a second chance, not sure about here though, I think Culpepper could work,as long as he knows he”s the backup. talent wise, that might work,Matt Moore was the guy.too bad he got away. Since Bartel is here & younger. id be nice if he could step up & take Brads spot. once again interesting

by bleedn blu on Jul 8, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Daunte Culpepper

is very intriguing. Since the Vikings, he’s played in two horrid franchises in the Dolphins and Raiders. I think he would be a great back up option for Romo in our high powered offense. In Minnesota he had Moss and was one of the top QBs in the NFL. It would be hard to argue that he would not have success with another top tier WR in Terrell Owens. If Romo were to go down for any long stretch, I just do not feel comfortable that Brad Johnson could get the job done.

by bryangene on Jul 8, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Culpepper sucks.

He’s just so iffy with his knees being bad. His running ability is what made him a dual threat. With that much weight on his knees, he can’t be much more mobil than Johnson.

Unless he’s fully recovered. Dunno. He was on 2 stinky teams.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't have to

rely on his legs too much. I would think he’s more mobile than Johnson. The year he threw for 4,700 yards and years prior, he wasn’t the guy you were afraid that was going to run all over you. He was the guy who would pass all over you.

by bryangene on Jul 8, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we can all agree

Looking back, the Boys should have kept Matt Moore as the 3rd QB last fall and cut someone else (like Berger) to get to 53.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Matt Moore looked good in the preseason. Not a rocket arm, but pretty accurate.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Culpepper

I can’t see him signing up to be a backup, with the understanding that there’s no way he’d start unless there was an injury.

Johnson’s definitely not the best option. When’s Quincy Carter’s Arena Football contract up?

jeterchrist.blogspot.com

by Dachs on Jul 8, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If all else fails..

Jerry could always look in the minors for a baseball player who wants to play QB in the NFL. Much success in the past.

by bryangene on Jul 8, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Simms

He ruptured his spleen and had a spleenectomy…. If I were Simms I’d be afraid to play….

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Jul 8, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If I were Simms

I’d sue the sh*t out of the Tampa Bay organization for putting me back in the game after the injury. Then not taking me immediately to the hospital after the game.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dudes, bring in Simms!

He’s serviceable. Who cares if he ruptured his spleen? He was trying to score a touchdown on that play!

I agree that the #2 QB needs to get younger, but not too much younger like Bartel.

Favre available soon? He could finally get his shot at winning in Texas Stadium.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brad's stats for 1st full game he has to start.

16 of 20 for 63 yards.
6 sacks and 3 fumbles.

Please let this guy retire with some dignity!

by goat3000 on Jul 8, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think all this backup QB talk is a non issue

It doesn’t matter who we have as a backup, if Romo goes down, we’re screwed, just like the Pats and Colts are done if Brady and Manning go down.

Like Brady and Manning, Romo has proven to be pretty durable over his 27 game career and with a very good, if not great OL, I don’t think having a good backup is really necessary at all.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 8, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wait

Wasn’t it Brady who came in for Bledsoe when he went down and took them to a Super Bowl?

Just because your starter goes down doesn’t mean it is the end of the world. Romo might not go down for the whole season. Look at Collins last year. What about JeffHostetler?

Having a servicable backup is necessary.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

struggling

To throw a 10 yard out is not servicable..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most of the street FA QBs available

struggle to complete any type of pass, thats why they’re street FAs, so frankly I don’t know whats the difference.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 9, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We cut Brad Johnson

Today he would be a street Free Agent.

Just because you are on a team doesn’t make your better then FA’s. David Carr and Joey Harrington come to mind..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I think players on teams are better than street FAs because teams aren’t going to waste their money on players who they don’t think can play.

Johnson, Carr and Harrington are better than any street FA out there that is currently unemployed as an NFL player.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 9, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in every case

You have guys that can still perform, but are wanting to compete for the starters position, they don’t want to be the backup. I’d say Culpepper and Leftwich fall into that category.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 9, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Culpepper and leftwich are better then harrington and carr..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I think they’re all first rd busts, none are better than the other.

I think its obvious now that the only reason Culpepper had success in Minnesota was because of Moss, without him he’s been horrible.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 10, 2008 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough to prove

Since he suffered a dramatic injury to his knee and every other team he has played on has been garabage. Without Moss he has been injured.

I’d take Leftwich, with slow wind up behind our line. He can get it done, he is no starter, but I think he can win games if we needed him too, I don’t see that with Brad Johnson.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 10, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats not exactly true

Culpepper didn’t get hurt until late that year and up until that point in the season he looked horrible and why, because he didn’t have his security blanket in Moss to bail him out.

The guy just isn’t a very accurate passer and runs too much, reminds me a little bit of a very large Vick.

Regarding Leftwich, he’s not a very good passer either and has zero mobility.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 10, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've got the answer:

Why not try to trade for Favre?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 8, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cowboy's won't take him

They never take players from UT.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Jul 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NO TO SIMMS an Culpepper

Simms, who played college football at the University of Texas at Austin, was heavily criticized for putting up big numbers against average or weaker teams, but consistently failing to deliver in big games and throwing interceptions, most notably in games against Big 12 South rival Oklahoma, against whom Simms finished 0-3. In the 2001 contest, he tossed four interceptions in a 14-3 loss. He also had a poor performance against Colorado in the 2001 Big 12 conference championship game where he fumbled and threw four interceptions, the last being returned for a touchdown— all before the close of the first half.[2] He was benched and Major Applewhite replaced him

Culpepper is even worse

I say throw Bartel out there he has a big arm

or bring in Gray

http://thefootballexpert.com/nflfreeagencyquarterbacks080001.html

Quinn Gray- UFA- When given the chance, Gray has produced but was largely the odd man out when Jacksonville was trying to decide whether Byron Leftwich or David Garrard was the future of the franchise. In 11 games over the last three years Gray has accounted for 14 touchdowns, which speaks of his ability to produce even though he has only had four starts. Gray’s dual threat ability is reminiscent of Vince Young but with more pocket presence and poise.

by GimmyJ on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am just wondering

Why Houston signed him and then cut him? Was it just in case they traded Rosenfals?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so

The rumor was they anticipated a trade with MIN for Rosenfels, so they signed Gray to be Schaub’s backup. For whatever reason, the trade never happened so they released Gray.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we're throwing names

out there of crappy QBs. I nominate Byron Leftwitch

by bryangene on Jul 8, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GUY

Do you remember Brad Johnson last year as starter? 9 td’s 15 int’s..

http://www.nfl.com/players/bradjohnson/gamelogs?id=JOH322990&season=2006

I would be happy with Gray or Culpepperm both better QB’s at this point of there career.

Looks Gradkowski has already signed with the Rams?
http://www.nfl.com/players/brucegradkowski/profile?id=GRA068015

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre might be the wild card...

if he comes back the packers might not take him back they might want to move on, and carolina might be a place of interest for him….my opinion if he comes back but not with the packers he would make a good fit in tampa which would make for a couple of options….and culpepper turned the packers offer down because he wants to be able to compete for a starting job….but i think if we get a decent back up with our offence and our defence i think we’ll be able to still compete, but brad’s not the guy….imo…

The main Ingreident to pickle bread is dill dough...

by hashishkabob on Jul 8, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

didn't know Culpepper

TD’d the Pack..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grizz

Can we got a poll of possible suitors for the back-up spot in Dallas?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Kelly Holcomb?

He’s pretty good for a backup. My buddy is a Browns fan and I watched Holcomb have some big games with them. He’s only in his 11th year.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lame

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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