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Scouts, Inc. over at ESPN Insider is ranking the top units in football. They started with QB’s the other day and ranked the Cowboys sixth in the league. I thought that was pretty low considering Tony Romo is the starter, but you have to keep in mind they also took into account the backups. But seriously, ranking QB’s on a team is 95% starter and 5% backups. Of course Brady (Patriots) and Manning (Colts) were #1 and #2. After that, the three teams who bettered Romo and Brad Johnson in this analysis were Roethlisberger (Steelers), Brees (Saints) and Palmer (Bengals).

After praising Romo’s big stats and winning percentage in the regular season, the criticisms started.

First off, Romo is surrounded by a lot of talent and has yet to win a playoff game in his two seasons behind center. All of that blame cannot be thrust on Romo alone, but he does need to prove he can elevate the play of his team in crucial situations to be ranked among the top players at this position.

 Uh oh, I know that isn’t going to be popular with some. More reasons why the Cowboys were only ranked sixth.

[Romo’s] pension for fading down the stretch certainly is worrisome, and he faces a brutal schedule in 2008. While Romo is just getting started, backup Brad Johnson's best days are long behind him, and a young signal-caller needs to be groomed.

Today they moved on to RB’s where the Cowboys placed fifth behind the Chargers, Vikings, Jaguars and Steelers. 

When Dallas opted not to re-sign starting RB Julius Jones, it got better.

You got to love an analysis that starts with that. The rest of the breakdown.

Even though Jones was the starter, he split carries with backup RB Marion Barber, who is the more effective runner and receiver. With Barber now thrust into the starting role, the Cowboys are a more physical team that can control the line of scrimmage. Dallas also created solid depth at the position by drafting RB Felix Jones with its second pick in the first round. Jones is a speedster who can turn the corner, catch the ball and create mismatches. The Cowboys' rushing numbers might not be as big as those of other teams because offensive coordinator Jason Garrett leans more on the passing game, but this is a great 1-2 punch.

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Two writers over at SI.com went through an interesting exercise. They were tasked with assembling the best team possible from all NFL players while remaining under the salary cap.

You can read about Michael Lombardi’s team here and see the whole team here.

He chose Jason Witten and Andre Gurode as starters. He also chose, interestingly enough, Doug Free and Sam Hurd as backups. I agree about Free, I loved what I saw from him last year at training camp. He likes Hurd because he says his coverage on special teams is among the best in the NFL.

You can read about Bucky Brooks’ team here and see the whole team here. 

He chose Leonard Davis and DeMarcus Ware as starters and Tank Johnson as a backup.

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FOX Sports says MB3 is only the #10 fantasy running back. 

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Stop the madness. 

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I have him between 4-6

Addai is going share a lot of time.. Portis will continue to have carriers stolen by Betts and who knows what the new HC will do.

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Today they moved on to RB’s where the Cowboys placed fifth behind the Chargers, Vikings, Jaguars and Steelers.

Our backs are better then the Steelers!!

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 5:58 PM CDT   0 recs

Potentially.

I’m okay with that ranking, since MB3 has never truly been a starter and has 2 rookies behind him.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 8, 2008 10:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

neither

was adrian peterson, willie parker or Larry johnson the year before they killed as a starter.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess my hope for the running game is more basic

The return of Houck and one more year of continuity, combined with the increased running game emphasis we saw in the playoff game is what I think will make the biggest differences.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 5:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

I don’t think anyone rated those teams as having a top 5 running game, either. Once they prove it for an entire season, or even 4 games, then I would be more comfortable saying the Cowboys are top 3 or 4. As it stands now, they have the backup from the #17 running offense from last year (bottom half of the league) and 2 rookies, one of which was not even a college starter. I think even calling that #5 is a pretty big leap.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 9, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough

But we all know MB3 was not the “backup” last year, to quibble a bit.

I expect the running game to be massively improved. Who cares who was a starter or not? They’ll all be in their natural roles in our running game.

by grapejoos on Jul 9, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

addai

why is he splitting careers?

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 9, 2008 8:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

because

They have two really good back-ups behind him in Keith and Rhodes, we know Indy trust Rhodes. Plus we saw him wear down some last season, they know it isn’t about trying win every game, so they will make sure Addai is fresh come playoff time.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, Keith really sucks

Addai was splitting carries last year because of injuries and, yes, because he split them with Rhodes as a rookie. Indy has had a 2-back system since Edge’s days of dominance, and it keeps them fresher.

Kenton Keith is horrible. The guy is a human fumble.

by grapejoos on Jul 9, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh-oh

If Tony is singing to Jessica that can only mean one thing…He’s trying to make her dump him.

Rock on Steel Panther! (Only slightly better than Sex Panther, by Odeon)

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Sex panther

“It smells like a turd covered in burnt hairs”!

by Billito on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have to admit

That smells like pure gasoline. A formidable odor.

by Impatient on Jul 8, 2008 8:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude you took my avatar!

or was it me who took yours
No problem,I don’t post as much as you so I guess I’ll find another one.
(you have seniority)

by CounterEMF on Jul 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT   0 recs

It's a good one

I’ve had it for a while, but I don’t mind sharing it.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Salary Cap teams..

Michael Lombardi team is ridculious.

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM CDT   0 recs

This is such BS
First off, Romo is surrounded by a lot of talent and has yet to win a playoff game in his two seasons behind center. All of that blame cannot be thrust on Romo alone, but he does need to prove he can elevate the play of his team in crucial situations to be ranked among the top players at this position.

I saw a stat the other day. It took Peyton Manning 6 seasons to win a playoff game. Aikman 3. Romo has a year and a half under his belt. People act like he’s been in the league for 10 years and hasn’t won a playoff game. There is just alot of jealous haters out there is what it comes down to.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Yes but

where he was drafted puts alot of pressure on him, expectations are high. LOL

by CounterEMF on Jul 8, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where who was drafted Romo??

Romo was a undrafted FA.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 8, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

On the "surrounded by talent" bit...

While I think our offense is plenty talented, no QB is so talented that their team is expected to put up record-setting offensive and passing numbers when the planned #2 receiver doesn’t play for virtually the entire season, yet Romo did.

by jrduncans on Jul 8, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great point.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 5:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Typical Cowboy Hatin'

Romo put the Cowboys in position to win both of those games, but his teammates didn’t come through. I love Witten, but if the big TE could have gotten 1 more yard, the playoff argument is moot. Don’t get me started on Patrick “not even recognized as a #2 when he’s the #2” Crayton.

Drew Brees took like 5 years to win a playoff game too, and then got blown out the next week. Carson Palmer still hasn’t won one going into his 5th year as a starter and he was the #1 overall pick. People either love the Cowboys or love to hate them, and Romo is the face of the team right now.

USA Today had an article that there was no consensus favorite in the preseason mags, but every single one picked the Cowboys to represent the NFC. That seems to be a consensus to me.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

All excellent points..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 8, 2008 10:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Witten

did get that first down dont you remember.. then they reviewed only had ONE angle from overhead and somehow overturned it….... grrrr haha

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Jul 9, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And I guess Chad Johnson and T.J. Whosyourmama

are scrubs. Is Palmer not throwing to two of the best WR’s in the game right now?

by quincyyyyy on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 PM CDT   0 recs

Not to mention -

When did Carson Palmer ever win a playoff game?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He just looks the part

and has the college “pedigree”, so everyone falls in line behind Palmer. A lot of guys still cannot get their heads around romo coming out of nowhere and lighting up the NFL.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 5:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see your point but...

I see your point about people not being able to get their heads around Romo coming out of nowhere and I would agree except for some guy named Kurt Warner taking over for an injured Trent Green and ushering in “The greatest show on turf” a few years ago. The media fell in love immediately with the guy who was sacking groceries to make ends meet or whatever menial job he was working. I think it has more to do with a bias by SOME members of the media against “America’s Team”.

by WB3forMB3 on Jul 9, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

absolutely

If Romo had the success he’s had with any other team, nobody says a bad word about him. Instead of labeling him a choker, everyone would be saying “it’s only a matter of time before he wins in the post season”.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 9, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt there's some of that

but Warner won the SB pretty early in his coming out. As Terry says, this will be a moot point in the near future.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Palmer's problems are not recievers

It is no running game, no defense, and last year a revolving door on the offensive line. I’m a huge Palmer fan and IF he gets some more help he will do his part…I say IF because Mike Brown is no Jerry Jones.

by bluewolf021 on Jul 9, 2008 8:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhhh

Any commentary that cant get the order of draft picks correct is suspect, even if they lucked into some decent commentary.

Dallas also created solid depth at the position by drafting RB Felix Jones with its second pick in the first round.

Felix was our first overall pick at 22. Our second was Jenkins at 25.

by Impatient on Jul 8, 2008 8:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Good Lord, does someone pay these guys to write??? It's "Penchant"

not:

[Romo’s] pension for fading

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 8, 2008 8:47 PM CDT   0 recs

But just in case

I’m going to ask Lesko how to apply for a “pension” for fading… Sounds like a great deal.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 8, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sign me up!

I’ve been looking for one of those…

by grapejoos on Jul 9, 2008 1:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And BTW

A “pension” for fading has to be based on more than 1.5 seasons. Crap, most QBs that green don’t even get their teams to the playoffs. I know, broken friggin record.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 8, 2008 8:48 PM CDT   0 recs

you can hardly say he faded in 06

when he didn’t even start until almost half way through the season.

And in 07 he injured his thumb, that might have had something to do with his numbers dropping off the last few games.

But yeah, can I get a pension for fading? At least a 401K for fading?

by scottmaui on Jul 9, 2008 12:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or maybe

losing one o fthe best WRs in the game? Nah. He just has a pension…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 5:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With his new contract .....

he’s got a pension for fading….

The main Ingreident to pickle bread is dill dough...

by hashishkabob on Jul 9, 2008 1:52 AM CDT   0 recs

Scout's Inc doesn't make sense

When was the last time Palmer won a playoff game?? I guess he’s not surrounded by great talent in CJ, TJ and R Johnson, give me a break.

Romo played much better than both Palmer and Brees last season and their backups aren’t any better than Johnson.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 9, 2008 9:00 AM CDT   0 recs

Cincy has no defense, thats their problem

There is no comparison between Romo and palmer, Palmer is a better QB, hands down.

by Deke on Jul 9, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cincy No D?

It was his defenses fault he threw less TD’s and More Int’s then Romo?

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How so?

Palmer has a better pedigree, but what makes him better than Romo? Romo has a higher career passer rating, has led his team to the playoffs more times, has the same amount of playoff wins, and is more mobile. Palmer was the #1 overall draft pick and has had one winning season in 4 years as a starter. What exactly has Palmer been better at?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 9, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you are going to stack up team success

of course Romo is going to win, he doesn’t play for Cincy. There is no point comparing stats because Romo has a much better supporting cast. I love both Romo and Palmer and Romo gets the nod in the mobility and improv department, but Palmer is the better passer.

by bluewolf021 on Jul 9, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Supporting Cast?

Palmer has two Pro-Bowl 1000 yd plus WR’s, and RB who has rushed for 1300 yds+ and 12td 3 out of the last 4 seasons..

Romo can’t say that..

"You can't win until you're not afraid to lose"

by Wmillion on Jul 9, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Better arm doesn't equal better QB.

Palmer may have better arm strength, but that doesn’t make him better. Otherwise, Jeff George would have been better than Joe Montana.

I agree that the Cowboys have more talent than the Bengals, but in every measurable individual and team statistic, both career and last season, Romo is equal or superior to Palmer: TD to INT ratio, completion %, QB rating, winning %, playoff starts, playoff wins, and rushing yds/TDs/avg. Romo is superior both last year and career in all of those stats, except playoff wins, where neither has one.

As T.O. says, the proof is in the pudding. What more can Romo do besides be better in every relevant category to be considered better than Palmer? Or, what is the argument that Palmer is superior to Romo, other than that his team is not as good? If he put up equal numbers on an inferior team, then I would agree, but he puts up inferior numbers.

Going into the season, the Cowboys weren’t considered vastly superior to the Bengals. Out of ESPN’s 16 “expert” panel, 4 picked Cincinnati to win their division last year and 8 picked them to be a wild card, while 7 picked Dallas to win their division and 7 as a wild card. So, on top of the stats, Palmer’s team underachieved and Romo’s met or exceeded expectations.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 9, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Palmer was EXPECTED to succeed

Romo came out of nowhere. That’s the problem for most people.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think so Deke

I’d rather have Romo because at least he can avoid a rush when the pocket breaks down, Palmer is like Beldsoe, he has absolutely no mobility. Also, Romo is every bit as accurate if not more so.

And Deke, the no defense a piss poor excuse as Manning had many poor defenses in Indy early in his career while racking up impressive numbers. If anything, a QBs numbers should be more impressive with a bad defense because he’s usually throwing a lot more while playing from behind.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Palmer vs Manning first 4 years.

Palmer TD/INT for first 4 years is 104/63 with a rating of 89.75 and Manning’s was 111/81 with a rating of 85.675.

by bluewolf021 on Jul 9, 2008 2:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about Romo?

How does Romo’s first year and a half stack up against those 2’s first year and a half?

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 9, 2008 6:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's no comparison alright

Palmer is the most overrated QB in the NFL. Yeah, it hurts to have a bad defense and running game and suspect o-line, but the guy has only had one good season and has the best WRs to throw to in the league (at the very least arguably so). Ever since his knee injury, he has been lackluster, and even in the season where he got hurt, he was not all that much better than Romo’s best year.

Give Romo Chad and TJ and see what kind of numbers he puts up. I’m not denying the Cowboys have an overall better team, but Palmer should be better than he has been with what he has.

by grapejoos on Jul 9, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hands down far overstates the point

they are different QBs and I think Palmer is excellent. But he lacks the ability to improvise and make sackers miss. So Plamer requires a very solid line and WRs who can get separation early. That’s not better, just different.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Jul 9, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep that's what I was going to say

Palmer is a heck of a QB on a team full of guys with off field issues and way too much drama. Plus not much TE help. He reminds me a little of Aikman. He very well could have won that playoff game against PIT a couple seasons ago if he didn’t get his knee shredded.

I’d still take Romo over Palmer based on innate skill.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jul 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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