My impressions
by GimmyJ on Aug 10, 2008 12:39 AM CDT
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PrintAustin - A++ - caught every thing thrown his way 5 -64 yrds
F Jones A++ - Great moves
Z Thomas A+ - made some nice plays
Choice + - nice backup would not mind him playing for MBII if he gets hurt
Scandrick A+ - had hes nose on every play
Curtis - he just seem to find the open spot
A Spencer - made some nice plays
Carp F - how do you let a little full back knock you on your a** for a touchdown -
might as well trade him
B Johnson F - we need somebody besides him
Stanback F+ - drops a kick off - oh he caught one pass for 5 yards our future number one WR - Might as well cut his him
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I actually thought Carp looked decent
Especially down the stretch, he clearly stood out from the rest of the backups. Tearrius George kind of surprised me, I didn’t expect him to make the team, but he looked better than most of the backups also.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Carp was everywhere.
Burnett was the one getting blown up. I think on that TD Carp just stood too high—he is taller. Zach is the real deal playmaking LB, though. R-E-A-L D-E-A-L.
What’d you think about Scandrick blowin up that QB? Hope he’s cool; any word?
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
That was a serious hit he put on the QB
The ball popped loose. He probably just got a burner, as he was back in later in the game.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 10, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
And another thing
I didn’t realize Bartel was so big. If he could get some zing on some of those intermediate passes instead of rainbowing them out there, he could really push past Brad.
That #38 sure can hit!
wow..
im in NY so i had to go online to watch.. but by the time i did it was already almost half time.. i put it on just as Felix was takin a dumpoff from johnson for like 25 yards.. weaving in, cutting back downfield.. effortless.. i really only wanted to WATCH so i could see 28 in motion, and that combined with being deprived of football for so long… gave me goosebumps.
o and the little i saw of tashard choice impressed me too.. backfield = locked up
The last time the Gmen won the Superbowl.. Dallas won three of the next 5
"Stanback F+ - drops a kick off - oh he caught one pass for 5 yards our future number one WR - Might as well cut his him"
Knee-jerk much?
Since when was he a kick-off return specialist?
Only one person had more than 3 receptions in the game, settle down.
NO knee jerk
never draft an injuried player
Since when was he a kick-off return specialist?
well hes got to do something besides being a 4 team WR
that where Miles got started
hes not WR or a KR – CUT HIM
and BC continues to disappoint
disagree
I think Stanback will be good, just needs more looks..
Cut him why? To make room for who?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
There's no way they cut Stanback
First of all, it was one preseason game lol!
And He didn’t look too bad anyway. He was able to make the corner on the reverse even though it was read by a defender, and pick up 7 yards, that looked good. He caught one pass. He made two kick returns that were nothing spectacular but not horrible either (and that’s not likely to be his job anyway). And he made one special teams tackle. Not a bad debut.
But the fact is, he’s almost looked at as a rookie as he basically redshirted last season with the injury. This was his first training camp as a receiver. His upside potential is huge, but they don’t expect him to be able to contribute much this year. They are going to give him at least a year and probably two to develop, and rightly so. Dude is a great athlete and at this early point still in his transition he has shown at least as much progress as they were hoping. His performance in the preseason may determine whether he sees much actual playing time this year or even makes the 45 man roster on game days, but he’ll be on the 53 man roster, that’s for sure.
And hows he going to get those looks
like the Moose said each week the starters get more and more practice time – sorry this was his year to show somehing – which he has not
I like to Keep S D Davis – for at least ST
Walden who showed me than more BC with just a couple of plays
A Ball and Olesby at CB
rather see those guys than Stanpicker – Jefferson is better – I think Braford is a better WR
but they won’t cutr him this year
GimmyJ = Arkcowboys ....hmmm....
sorry this was his year to show somehing – which he has not
are you kidding ??...the dude played less than half of one preseason game, and this is your analysis ? he should be cut ? ....wow…I’m going to back away from this one….cuz if Grizz didn’t censor my postings, and restrict me from displaying my point of view, I’d be all over this ….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
+1
lol, I don’t get it..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
oh an all the practices don't count
yea right – because you will see less an less of him the reast of preason
I already said hes no WR or KR – hes just no good – our coaches are seeing what
that why hes playing with the fourth string WR's - sorry I never see him here in Dallas doing anythingWAS A WASTED PICK – ONE OF J IRELANDS PROJECTS – JERRY WON’T CUT THE KID BECAUCE HE HAS TO MUCH EGO TO LET HIM GO TO MAIMI
Like those guys will produce anything.
It’s all about upside with Stanback.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What has Walden shown you ?
He was invisible in that game, whereas Carp lead the team in tackles.
Even though Stanback didn’t do anything in that 1st pre-season game he’s not going anywhere, the guy is still learning the position. Jefferson and Bradford can be placed on the PS with little risk since no draft pick was spent on them, but it would be a risk to put Stanback on it. They certainly aren’t cutting Stanback.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 10, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll have to watch the replay of the game
Because I honestly don’t recall seeing Walden do anything.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 11, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
How is Johnson's inability to throw
the ball down field Stanback’s fault?? He clearly beat his guy a lot but the qb, either Johnson or bartel, couldn’t get him the ball. Not his fault.
The Cowboys will never cut Stanback, too much talent and potential. So glad you’re not the GM.
In Romo we Trust
I clearly remember one play
Stanback was 2 or 3 yds past his man down the sideline and separating, but the pass was way overthrown. I think Bartel was in by then.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 11, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't Stanback who dropped a kickoff, It was A Coleman..........
Stanback showed excellent acceleration during his kickoff, Did you not see him hurdle some would be tacklers ?.....gained 7 yards on an end around, and made a nice grab in traffic ….he got a B from me if we were to put grades on players..
Miles Austin certainly caught my eye, and he’s improved the most in the offseason, showed great concentration, and could catch the tough catches in traffic.. A….....AHEAD of Sam Hurd at this stage of preseason.
Felix Jones is everything I thought he’d be ..A….the next Tony Dorsett
Tashard Choice. A…a keeper no doubt…..you gotta love our backfield….set for the next 5 years there
Brad Johnson was everything I thought he was- D-....JERRY PLEASE FIND A LEGIT #2 QB
To be somewhat fair to Brad….Our second string Offensive Line was not exactly holding the fort….I couldn’t pin point who was failing…but as a unit…C-
Scandrick is one quick mofo, and gets to every play on his side…has Deion Sanders like tackling style though….an ankle grabber….but if it works it works…B+
Mike Jenkins impressed as well…a good nose for ball, and is certainly the shut down corner we coveted in the offseason. B+
Bartel actually looked like he has some promise, needs to get some throws in there quicker, but that will come with more reps…should at least be our #2 ahead of Brad for the moment. C
Did anyone notice Kevin Burnett was off his game last night ?....was gettin juked and didn’t tackle with any tenacity…grade C-
Martellus Bennett….C….He’s got a ways to go ….blew a few blocking assignments…had some tough balls thrown his way….showed good, fluid moves, and accelleration once the ball was in hand though….he’ll get better as time goes by.
Tony Curtis impressed me…seems to have trimmed down a little…looks quick…B…..we’re set at TE for the next 5 years.
Adam Jones didn’t play well…...C-
Carpenter was getting his nose to the ball, no impact plays though…but signs of improved play were noticed….C+
I missed the starters in the first cuz of NFL Network…...but we already know what we got there….that’s all for now….my grades on players that i recall…..The second and third string Defensive Line showed me nothing….no push, no pressure, no containment….LB’s didn’t make plays either….special teams…....yuck…..that is our biggest hole right now….better be shored up soon….WHERE THE HECK IS JOE AVENZANNO ???......special teams coach should’ve been replaced after last season….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Stanback's end around was nice.
He just needs to get his hands on the ball more. Thought he had a couple nice catches too.
I don’t know what was with Burnett last night. He usually blows people up in preseason. Maybe someone was talking too much in that speaker helmet.
I watched Carp exclusively on several plays and he sheds blockers pretty well. He’s not a thumper; he’s athletic, so to me that TD run was his only bad play.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The runner was already past the end line by the time Carp got hold of him....from a tough angle...Carp showed more toughness than in the past..
still has a ways to go …..but if Burnett continues with that uninspired play..I can see Carp getting some of his reps on earlier downs…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Yeah I just rewatched that play.
Nothin Carp could do there. With Burnett blowin it, Carp may be movin on up that depth chart. I think he’s extra motivated this preseason.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it was nice
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
so what??
guarantee he’d have more if he was playing with Romo instead of Johnson and Bartel.
In Romo we Trust
we seriously
need a solution at the back-up Qb spot. The lack of decent back-up is going to hurt the progession of Stanback and Amendola. We seriously have no clue what they can do..
I hoped to see more from Hurd too.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I agree but Jerry will never
trade for a backup so whoever this qb will be, he’ll be picked up on waivers. Since there is only three more weeks until the regular season, whoever we pick up will come in as the #3 qb until he can learn our offense.
I’m hoping that Romo will play some more throughout the preseason so the younger receivers will be able to play with a qb who can get them the ball.
In Romo we Trust
tough call
I would rather carry a 3rd QB like Simms or McCown and let Pat McQ..
I want the young guys to get Quality reps with Romo, just not sure I am willing to risk an injury to him or the O-Line. If you leave Romo you have leave the O-line in to protect him..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
+1
Stanback had one play where he blew right by his man. BJ saw him and tried to get the ball to him but had a DL or LB right in is face. BJ threw up a lame duck which may or may not have gotten tipped. And Stanback had enough awareness and quickness to cut off the fly route and make his way back towards the ball. It was to far underthrown to make the catch but I still found it impressive.
cut him then!
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 11, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great Analysis
Pretty much my thoughts all the way around. Bartel isn’t ready to be the 2nd QB, he needs to learn to read defenses and not stare down receivers…whichis the most important skill of a QB. Brad Johnson does this very well, but he can’t make the out or deep throws any more. If a decent veteran gets cut, we should take a long look at him.
It’s too early to evaluate Stanback, this is basically his first camp and he’s got a long way to go. We’ll be able to begin judging him next year. He’s still to raw and inexperienced.
Dallas Had One Fumble
It was by Amendola. Stanback didn’t get possession of his second return right away, but it wasn’t a fumble.
SIDE NOTE
Devin Hester basically averages a fumble every other game..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Coleman muffed a kickoff.
It doesn’t count as a fumble because he didn’t have possession yet, and he got the ball right away. But it was Coleman, not Stanback.
thanks scott....glad i wasn't the only one who realizes it was Coleman, and not Stanback..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Stanback
Got stripped on his return, but they called him down due to forward progress..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
that's right
I remember that now. But that shouldn’t count against him too much. He was down, so while it’s a small concern, it’s nothing like Amendola’s fumble or even Coleman’s bobble.
oh i agree
Getting stripped after the whistle means nothing..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
and its obvious it wasn't a fumble
if the ball came out after he was already tackled.
In Romo we Trust
Amendola's fumble
was the result of a good hit (helmet to the ball) and not carelessness on his part. Granted he has to grip it tighter but he wasn’t swinging it out away from his body or anything like that. It was a good defensive play by the second guy that hit him.
The Red Ball Express will be rolling this year!
it happens
Especially with aggressive punt returners..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
plus it was a decent return before that
and his first return was pretty good, too. obviously he’s going to really hold onto that ball extra hard now, but I don’t think they’ll hold it against him too much. he’ll be given some more chances and minus the fumble he actually looked pretty good.
It was stripped after the ball was dead because of forward progress....+1 Wm....
but if you remember…..He went into that area of contact at full speed, showing superior speed, and hurdled two would be tacklers like a gazelle, than slammed into a swarm of tacklers cuz his wedge blockers whiffed on every Charger in the area…..But you must appreciate the tenacity he showed going full bore into that crowd.,....one missed arm tackle, or any sort of decent blocking and he’s off to the races….....102 yards…...see ya later…..nobody is catching that dude running full steam ahead like that….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Coleman
is who this debate should be about—Not Stanback.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 11, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Coleman isn't even gonna be here in three weeks....neither is Amendola with another mishap like that...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Agree Coleman is not going to make the 53
Highly doubt Amendola will make it either. If he has a great week against DEN, and a good game, he might hang on, but otherwise, his reps are going to decrease to zilch.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 11, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
One word: Preseason
Babe summed it up very well last night. The first team was very, very good, and It’s what you expected to see. The rest of the team played like crap, and now the coaching staff has ammo to ride them hard for the remainder of the preseason.
Our running game this year could be completely dominant. If I had to take one thing out of that game, this would be it. And the versatility we could employ with those three and the genius of Garrett… it blows the mind.
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-Ken Tremendous on Mike Downey.
Garrett needs to remember that the other QBs don't have Romo's arm
He had them throwing slants on 3rd and 1 and hitches that needed mustard. Maybe Bartel can learn to direct his balls more efficiently, but Brad’s just in there for screens and hand-offs.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Johnson's a distraction at this point
It’s quite pathetic. As bad as Bartel was, I think he might actually be the better QB already.
Pretty clearly the first time he has ever looked at a web site. "And there are readers' comments at the bottom! And advertisements for products! And best of all, I won a free iPod!"
-Ken Tremendous on Mike Downey.
agreed
Bartel being 7 for 15 wasn’t great, but I see the upside, for brad i see nothing buy downside. . When are they going to let Bartel open one up deep?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
slow motion
the whole pace of the offense slows down when Brad is out there, Bartel seems to at least keep things moving at a regular pace.
the other FA QBs out there sounding better by the second.
Yup. Brad has no sense of urgency.
Looked contagious last night.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 10, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
+1......any FA QB out there is better than Brad....anyone
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Paul Smith
this kid is a winner
Smith threw a combined 82 touchdown passes and 34 interceptions while taking his team to 3 straight bowl appearances. Smith holds the NCAA record with 14 consecutive games passing for more than 300 yards.[1]
Although possessing many skills sought in a good quarterback, Smith's career prospects in the NFL are hampered by his size and mobility.This was not a move dictated by Paul’s performance but because of the roster,” Slough said
I don’t think by any means that Paul’s football career is over,” Slough said. “He can be a quarterback anywhere in the NFL. This is just part of the business.”
Strengths:
Very competitive…A decent athlete…Adequate bulk…Good accuracy…Terrific touch and timing…Pretty mobile…Can throw on the run…Moves well in the pocket…Real smart…Hard worker…Team leader…Has a lot of experience…Was very productive.
Weaknesses:
Lacks the ideal height that you look for…Does not have a great arm….Has trouble throwing the deep ball…Struggles under pressure…Worked mostly out of the gun in college…Will force things at times….Stats were inflated by a wide open offense.
Notes:
Was a three-year starter…Cousin, Kirk Rogers, played in the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs…May not have all of the physical tools you look for but is a gamer and a true football player…Could eventually develop into a decent #2 or #3 in the NFL
He'll be on somebody's squad
I just hope Dallas takes a serious look at him, I think he’d be a great #3QB now, and eventually work his way up to Romo’s backup.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 11, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
MCQUistan
Horrible blocking by mcquistan . He looked lost. Also, very surprised at the poor play of kevin burnett.
BC
Carpenter is at his best when he is able to chase the ball carrier. When asked to shed blocks he was pretty bad last night. IMO the staff is still playing him out of position. He needs to get time at the MO linebacker position because he is not strong enough at the POA. I believe he would be a better player than Burnett if given the oppurtunity to play that spot. I’m not high on Burnett either, IMO he is not a 3-4 linebacker period. He is athletic but he lacks instincts and is not a sure tackler.
I disagree
When asked to shed blocks he was pretty bad last night
I specifically watched Carp and saw that he did an excellent job of shedding blocks, both on D and ST. That was the strength of his game.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Bobby Digitial
He did a good job, needs to work on not over pursuing the play and letting the ball carrier get outside.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
MO LB would be taking on O Lineman every play...which isn't conducive to your argument...
weakside ILB , where he is now, is the only position he has a chance to play here on our team….He either makes it happen at this spot…or he’s outta here…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
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