Another possible backup QB?
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 12, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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PrintReports out of San Francisco are making things sound as though J.T. O'Sullivan is looking like the frontrunner for the starting QB job. If this is the case, it should be obvious who the odd man out is. Former #1 overall pick Alex Smith has salaries set to jump up around the $10 million mark after this season, a price not likely to be paid for a backup. So my question to you is this, would you consider Alex Smith as our backup QB? Before you lose your cool on this one, consider this. Alex Smith has had a different OC each year he has been in the league. The best weapon he's ever had to throw the ball to has been Arnaz Battle. The guy has never had a chance to make it in this league. Assuming he is cut, and can be had on the cheap, would you guys be willing to roll with him our #2? He has all of the tools, and has experience as a starter.
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you prove valid points he could be groomed like the old days assuming he doesnt have a ego wanting big money
What the French?! Toast!
I agree he hasn't been given a fair shot
And Im sure he feels the same way. And at his age, I dont see him accepting a role as a backup QB. I think he’ll want to go somewhere he’ll be able to compete for a starting job like Chicago. That being said, IF he were to accept a backup role and could be had on the cheap for say a three year deal I would be in favor of bringing him in as the #3 QB to start.
I think a more realistic possiblity for him would be some place like the Jets, where he could sit and learn for a couple of years and then take over after Brett has finally had enough for real.
I think it's clear were rolling with Bartell and Johnson
and have no interest in anyone else. I would like for SImms to come in, but doesn’t seem likely. The only way I see Jerry making a move is if Bartell and Johnson really stink it up the remaining 3 preseason games or a serious injury occurs.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
You'd have to pay Smith
at least $1 million per year and he’ll only get a 1 or 2 year contract like Carr did with Carolina.
These former #1s that can’t make it with the team who drafted them all end up bombing out… Couch, Carr, etc.
Mike Martz is supposed to be able to do something with Smith this year I heard. Personally, I’d rather the Cowboys go after the 49ers other QBs, O’Sullivan or Shawn Hill.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 12, 2008 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
The thing with that is,
if Smith wins the competition, they’re going to keep three QB’s. The only way anyone hits the wire from this mess is if they’re forced to pay $2.5 million to Smith to ride the pine, with the prospect of a lot more next season. And I would have no bone paying Smith $1 million a year, considering I think we’re paying Brad about double that.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 12, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not bad
I actually like this idea for a couple of reasons:
1. He looked real promising two years ago when he had Norv Turner has an OC running an offense that looked a lot like ours.
2. As previously said, the kid needs some stability.
3. As was said, he bombed out. I think Jerry the Salesman could convince this kid to sit on the bench for a year and then be the backup to Romo. If he gets beat out by JT O’Sullivan, no one is giving him a starting chance.
He has never had the likes..
Of TO, Witten, and MB3 around him, not mention our line protecting him.. I would take him in heartbeat if he is willing to accept the slary of back-up . He has made his money and the best way to make top dollar again is to take a step back..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Let's hope for his release.
He’d be a great addition to this team. Some of those #1 QB picks can learn to extend their playing career by learning a backup role, much like Vinny but less like Bledsoe.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 12, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
do want to trade for him???
Jerry is never going to trade for a backup so just realize thats not going to happen.
If you guys want to see Brad replaced, your only hope is for Jerry to pick up a qb off of waivers after first or second cuts and have him eventually beat out Brad throughout the season once they learn the system.
In Romo we Trust
most likely
It will be whoever is cut from Indy or Tampa
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Assuming he is cut
I’ll assume you missed that part, and give you the fenefit of the doubt.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 12, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
coming to grips
on the fact that we wont do anything about a backup unless someone gets hurt.(unfortunate, cuz it might too late then), i think the idea of Brad looking so much better with the starters is just wishful thinkn. we”ll see.
Brad could play in hawaii with all 5 pro bowl linemen....AND STILL stink the place up....
granted our 2nd string O Line was pathetic in pass protection against SD, but it saved him actually…..instead of getting sacked, i’m sure more INT’s would have followed if given more time…...I am NOT down with keepin’ this washed up geezer…I’d take ANY back up QB in the league at this point…..Culpepper should be the first option…Jerry is blowing smoke…..after this saturday, we’ll see some sort of move….to be continued…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Rob Philips and Mickey talked about Brad on Talkin Cowboys
and seem to think it wasn’t much to worry about because that INT was a miscommunication on Crayton’s part and Felix missed a block on one of those sacks.
Philips even said that Brad showed some arm.
I didn’t think so, but I can only hope he’d be better than Alex Smith.
That #38 sure can hit!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
One back-up QB to go please!
If Romo goes down it will be "Houston, we have a problem." And like Apollo 13’s mission being over so will the Cowboys season. Johnson will not be coming to the rescue. We (the Cowboys) need another option – before the season starts.
Remember just a couple of years ago, Carson Palmer went down on the first play of the first playoff game for Cincinnati – their season was over.
If TO goes down, I am beginning to think we can survive, but not if Number 9’s season ends early.
Just my 2 cent from San Antonio, TX!
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got news for you
If #9’s season ends early, so do the Cowboys no matter what backup we acquire. The NFL is all about the qb and backup qbs off the street aren’t going to save anyone’s season.
In Romo we Trust
It's not ALL about the QB
Now is the QB a MAJOR piece, yes, obviously it is. But I have to disagree that just because your starter goes down you have absolutely no shot. The Pats won it all with a backup, granted the backup was Brady, but still. The Ravens won with bus driver Dilfer and the Steelers won with rookie Rothelisberger who was nothing more than a bus driver at the time. We all get on here and rave about how talented this team is and how we’re stacked two and three deep at almost every position. Then we’re ready to throw the towel in if Romo goes down? Well I for one am not. Would I love to have a bit better backup? Yes, I would. But lets face it, there aren’t a whole lot of options out there right now as much as we would like to speculate.
Guess I just dont agree with the defeatist, “the sky is falling” attitude about BJ as our backup.
Brady wasn't a street backup
and therein lies the difference. Brady was a star in the making, as was Romo when he came off the bench for Bledsoe, but these type of players will never be found as street FAs because they have too much potential and talent.
Regarding Roethlisberger, he wasn’t a rookie the year the Steelers won the SB, he was in his second year and if you actually watched the playoff run they made that year, you would have seen he was much more than a bus driver. Big Ben was making plays all over the place in that 3 game stretch against Cincy, Indy and Denver. He didn’t have a great SB but he was definitely a big time playmaker in the playoffs and they wouldn’t have gotten there if he would have been merely a bus driver.
Dilfer and the Ravens won that SB 8 years ago. Back then you could with a great running game and defense. The league has changed and its a passing league now, your qb has to be a playmaker to win it all, thats why the NFL is all about the qb because if you don’t have a really good one, you’re not winning a championship, its that simple.
Therefore its completely unrealistic to expect Brad or anyone else we pick to come in and not only lead us to the playoffs but win there as well. Not going to happen. Romo must stay healhty for this team to realize their dreams of a SB title.
In Romo we Trust
Brady
Granted, Tom Brady wasn’t a street FA, but I don’t think anyone thought he was a star in the making. He was a second year player drafted in the 6th round. It wasn’t like he was on the verge of unseating Bledsoe like Romo was here.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 13, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I stand corrected
Big Ben was in his second year, my bad. But Pittsburg got to and won that SB with running and a great defense. And when I hear analysts talk about the Giants victory over the Pats last year they talk about Manning’s improved play down the stretch, yes. But they also say that the Giants D won that game. Defense won over the all mighty, pass happy, best QB in the game, offensive juggernaut, pass game record setting, previously undefeated Pats. Lest we forget, just a month earlier people in NY were screaming for Manning’s head because of what a lousy QB he was (and he pretty much was).
Again, do we stand a better chance with Romo under center, absolutely! But my point is that its not impossible to win without a whiz bang QB. So Im not going to throw my team under the bus if Romo goes down.
you can't win a SB without great qb play
Sure the Giants defense was great in the SB, but they had nothing to do with the drive that gave the Giants the go ahead score and win, that was Eli making plays when he had to. Eli might have sucked during the regular season, but during their playoff run he outplayed every qb in the playoffs, including Brady and Manning.
Pittbsburgh needed Ben to make plays in the passing game to reach the SB, if you thought they just won on defense and a running game you obviously never watched those games.
Bottom line is that you need a qb who will make plays to win a SB, that has been proven over the last several years. Brady, Roethlisbereger and both Manning brothers were certainly not just bus drivers, they were qbs who made big plays when they had to. Street FAs simply aren’t capable of doing that.
In Romo we Trust
Eli
It’s like everyone wants to praise Eli for leading that drive to win the SB, and they completely forget that he would have thrown the game away is Samuel could catch. His decision making was just as shotty as ever.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 14, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Street FAs cant win?
Exhibit A – Kurt Warner. Wasn’t he bagging grocies or something a couple months before TC that year?
Manning DIDNT have great QB play in the SB. He had decent QB play. And without a great defensive effort the Pats would have eaten them alive and the go ahead drive would have been moot.
It’s possible to win w/o a great QB Terry. Doesn’t matter how you spin it.
I disgaree
you need great qb play to win a SB and the last 5 years has proven that. Eli might not be a great qb, but he did play great in the playoffs and SB, to deny that is simply denial.
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Kurt Warner and Tom Brady
Both played in the Modern game, so don’t use the last 5 years excuse.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Plus
Having a great QB has ALWAYS helped win Super Bowls. Thats not a recent development to the league Terry.
Unitas
Starr
Namath
Bradshaw
Staubach
Montana
Young
Elway
Aikman
etc.
I never said it was
I’m saying the recent development has been the emphasis on the passing game by all teams. Some teams run more than others, but you can’t win this league if you can’t pass as defense, ST and a running game will only get you so far.
Look at the Steelers for example, for years they were a running team first and foremost but in the last few years they have morphed into more of a passing team, drafting a franchise QB and WRs in the first and second rds, and often times using 4 WR sets. To score in this league you have to throw the ball effectively, thats just a fact.
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and again, Warner and Brady
weren’t street FAs, there is a big difference. To think a team can just sign a guy off of waivers that 32 other teams don’t want and that player can come in a be good enough to lead a team to a championship is just ridiculous.
Brady and Warner were backups but they highly coveted enough that they were employed as immediate backups to 2 quality qbs at the time they needed to to step in and play.
There aren’t any qbs on the free agent market that are in the same category as Brady and Warner so using them as examples doesn’t prove your point at all.
In Romo we Trust
Geez Terry
The guy was bagging groceries and playing in the arena league when the Rams gave him a shot in the 98 TC. He had already been cut by GB in 94. HE WAS A STREET FA when they found him. Brady was a 6th round pick whom Bob Kraft kept calling Kyle Brady. Romo was an undrafted “extra arm” at the combine, street FA.
IT HAPPENS!!
What qualifies as great QB play?
He had an 87.3 rating in the SB, 2TDs, 1 INT, 56% completion rate. That AINT great. And that doesn’t count the dropped INT by Samuels that Mandmeisterx pointed out. And that miracle catch that Tyree made on the last drive that Manning just chunked up for grabs? That was all about the receiver, not Manning.
As for the rest of the playoffs:
GB game had a 72.0 rating, no TDs, 53% completion
Dal game had a 132.4 rating, 2 TDs but only 163 total passing yards
TB game had a 117.1 rating, 2 TDs but only passed for 185 yards
So where exactly did these GREAT playoff performances take place?
It wasn’t about Manning, it was about the D.
dude, Manning made plays when he had to
in all of those games, they just don’t award the MVP to just anyone. If he doesn’t avoid that rush on the play to Tyree, Pats go 18-0 and win the SB.
Making plays is a lot more than numbers, stats and qb ratings, its doing all the little things that get your team in the endzone to win games and thats what Eli did in the playoffs, like it or not.
In Romo we Trust
So because he side stepped a rusher he's great?
The guy had some good plays during the playoff run Terry. No one is denying that. BUt he IS NOT a great QB (thus far) and his overall play in the playoffs was not great.
Never said he was great
but that was a great play and he did more than side step him, the DL actually had a hold of him and he broke free, yeah thats impressive.
I totally agree Eli is not a great QB, I’d rate him below at least 10 other qbs in the league, all I ever said was that he played great in the playoffs, it doesn’t mean he’s great though.
In Romo we Trust
And do you realize
That you’re initial argument that you HAVE to have a GREAT QB to win a SB, has devolved to first, OK the QB doest have to BE great but he has to PLAY great in the playoffs to win, and now to, He has to make great plays when it really counts to win?
You’re making my argument for me.
My intial argument was never
that you had to have a great qb to win a SB, my argument is and always has been that you need great qb play to win the SB, there is a difference you know.
Unemployed street FAs that no team wants aren’t capable of great qb play, thats always been my argument.
You’re definitely misconstruing what I said.
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cowboys aren't going
To bring in street FA.. Even though KWarner was basically street FA.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
well they certainly aren't
going to trade for one so how else are they going to pick up a qb??
BTW, Warner wasn’t basically a street FA, he was signed and on the roster as the immediate backup to Trent Green in 1999. If he was a street FA, he would have been unemployed as a qb at the time of Green’s injury which wasn’t the case.
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I see!
So we can go get a guy from Home Depot that played QB in college and got an invite to an NFL TC 4 years ago. And as long as he’s on the roster BEFORE Romo gets injured then he’s not a street FA.
thats exactly correct
the definition of a street FA is a FA who is currently “on the street” unemployed.
If a qb is good enough, he’ll be employed at the start of training camp because a team will think he’s good enough to be an NFL caliber qb. If a qb doesn’t have a job right now, they have serious flaws in their game or not healthy enough, one of the 2.
In Romo we Trust
you could say same thing about the draft
If he was that good he would have been drafted higher or drafted period.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
not true
Romo proves that theory incorrect. The draft is an inexact science and most teams only get 6 or 7 selections out of 400 to 500 players, there are going to be plenty of quality players not drafted
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so is finding a Free agent
That can come in and win..
Who expected Todd collins to come in and play as well as he did?
There is not exact science, so you trying to distinguish differences in back-ups, is an excuse to make your point.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
no its not
Collins is a legitimate quality backup, not some guy the Skins picked up during camp.
Bottom line is that you can pick up an unemployed qb off the street who can come in and win some games for you, but he’s not winning a SB title. Thats simply a fact you cannot deny.
In Romo we Trust
We can win a SB with Leftwich....and he just signed the other day..".a street FA "
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Boyz
that is the craziest thing I think you’ve ever said. There is no way possible we can win a SB with Leftwich, the guy is garbage which is being proven with his horrible play with the Steelers. He’ll be cut immediately after Batch is fully recovered.
There more I think about, the funnier and more more ridiculous it becomes. LOL!!
In Romo we Trust
EXCUSES, EXCUSES
EXCUSES..
We could win a super bowl with Culpepper..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
lol....WB3.....ain't it fun trying to get Terry to realize we can win a SB without Romo...
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
About as much fun as
banging your head against a brick wall :) I’ll hand it you though Terry, you stick to your guns, even if they are pea shooters. Gotta respect that.
And just so there’s no question about it…I love Romo! May a defender never get close enough to breath on you oh mighty #9.
LOL
I never said we couldn't
I said we can’t with a street FA and thats the truth. We’d have to trade for a legitimate qb which Jerry won’t.
In Romo we Trust
Never say never
The Panthers found themselves a pretty decent looking street FA by the name of Matt Moore last year.
I generally agree with this.
I generally agree that a season-ending injury to Romo means we’re screwed. Other than Brady, I cannot think of a single backup QB stepping in and leading his team to the championship (though it has probably happened, and that story does support drafting and developing a young QB just in case).
However, what if Romo is out for 4 games in the middle of the season? That’s when this can really be important. If we have a guy that can step in and go 2-2 in that situation, that’s about all you can ask for out of a backup. I’m not sure if BJ is that guy. That’s why the backup situation still does matter. In this scenario, Romo coming back won’t do us much good if we lose all hope of making the playoffs while he is injured.
happened twice in the last 10 yrs
jeff hostetler and kurt Warner
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
thank you WMillion....for anyone to think we can't win without Romo, I'd have to disagree.. IF we had some sort of quality back up QB, there'd be hope, at least..
How bout when McNabb went down a few years back?....who’d they bring in…AJ Feely….he went on to win like 8 straight coming off the bench…..Jeff Garcia did the same thing in Philly….Garard did it in Jacksonville…Anthony Wright and Dilfer did it in Baltimore a few years back….It happens every year….and NONE of those mentioned teams had anywhere near the talent WE have on Offense…..If we had any kind of decent back up, we’d be able to compete with any team in the league with our defense, and a adequately managed offense….we might not be able to average 28+ a game with a back up, but getting 17+ a game with a back up QB is more than reasonable….do I think Brad can carry us into the playoffs if he had to go more than 4 games…hell no…..but i know of at least 20 back ups that are better than Brad Johnson and could easily dink and dunk, and chuck their way down the field, with an elite O Line in front of him, while handing off to an elite running game behind him…
I don’t buy this whole “Our season is done if Romo goes down”.........but i’ll lose hope if it’s Brad Johnson we’re handing the keys over to.,......
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Boyz, you're simply underestimating
the importance of the qb position in todays game. All of those qbs you mentioned, how’d did they fare in the playoffs? Don’t remember any of them winning the SB except for Dilfer and he wasn’t a backup, plus that was 8 years ago, the game has changed.
My point is that a backup can certainly come in and win games for you in the regular season for a while, but in the playoffs, you need a playmaking qb who is capable of making big plays to win games.
In Romo we Trust
Gray, McCown, and Simms can make plays.
I would take any of those 3 with a smile.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
LOL thats funny
those guys might be decent NFL backups, but none of them are capable of leading a team to a championship, thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
We have Romo
I am not looking for someone to win a championship, I am looking for someone capable of leading the team if necessary..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
well thats not the question I responded to
it was said earlier if Romo goes down for the year all is not lost, but I say it is.
I agree a backup could keep the team’s head above water for while and I believe Johnson could do that just as effective as any other unemployed qb out there.
In Romo we Trust
they were backup's
Kurt Warner at one point was street FA he wasn’t even drafted..
You assume a someone couldn’t come in and play well.. Remember we aren’t talking about bring in street FA’s anymore we are talking about guys who are playing, but got cut now. If Dallas brings in someone they will be a roster casualty.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I never said that
I never said a backup couldn’t play well. My argument is that an unemployed street FA who no other team wants is capable of coming in and leading a team to a SB title. Warner doesn’t fit that description because he was already employed by the Rams as a backup prior to Green’s injury. The Rams knew he had talent so they signed him in the off season.
Can an unemployed street FA come in and win a few games? probably, but thats about it. Bottom line is we’re not winning the SB without Romo and to think otherwise is simply wishful thinking.
In Romo we Trust
yeah, but he was Trent Green's backup
prior to his injury in 1999. Its not as if the Rams signed him right out of the grocery store that season, he exceled in arena ball before the Rams signed him and was the actual backup to Green.
My point is you’re not going to find an unemployed qb who no other team wants to lead you to a SB win, its just ridiculous. Teams don’t cut good QBs, its just that simple.
In Romo we Trust
Well if that's the case,
we can just bring in an AFL QB to lead us to a Super Bowl win.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 14, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Warner was a training camp arm, much similiar to Bartel....
Green was lost in training camp……one month prior to training camp, Warner was bagging groceries……hence…..street free agent…………
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Im not disagreeing about the need for a better backup
I just disagree with throwing this team out the window if we lose Romo and BJ has to come in. Case in point, look at Manning’s numbers last year. While he did get better later in the year, specifically in the playoffs, it wasn’t like he was this stellar QB. He took what the defense gave him (for the most part, reference Jacques Reeves playing 10 yards off his man) and didn’t make mistakes. After that is was all about the running game and Giant’s defense. So it IS possible to win without an all-world QB.
I think I misunderstood
Are you saying Brad is as good as Eli?
Eli has above average arm, you have to respect his ability to go downfield..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
No, Im not comparing anyone to anyone
Im just using examples of less than stellar QB play being ENOUGH to get their team to the SB. Seriously, go back and look at some of the QBs from the last 10 SBs
1999 Chris Chandler – Atlanta (had a good year granted, but not getting the HOF either)
2000 Kurt (Who?) Warner – Street FA
2001 Trent Dilfer & Kerry Collins
2002 Some guy named Tom Brady
2003 Brad Johnson & Rich Gannon
2007 Rex Grossman
2008 Eli Manning
Now some of these guys turned out to be great QBs like Warner and Brady, but do you think St. Louis and New England fans were jazzed when Trent Green and Drew Bledsoe went down for their respective teams?
Some of these guys were OK QBs like Chandler, Johnson, Gannon, Manning and maybe Collins.
And a coule of these guys were just downright bad QBs like Grossman and Dilfer and had a decent year as a bus driver, but overwhelmingly relied on their defense and/or running game.
And another thing
about the 3 SBs that the Pats won. I remember the Pats being know more for their EFFICIENT passing game and great defense than some all out aerial assault put on by Brady, Troy Brown and David Patten.
The only Shock and Awe type offenses that have won the SB in recent memory were the 2000 “Greatest Show on Turf” Rams and the 2007 Peyton Manning & Marvin Harrison led Colts.
I am with you.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
That last comment
Kinda meant more for Terry and the whole “The league has changed and its a passing league now” comment. I keep hearing that but Ive yet to see it on a consistent basis.
Rex Grossman never played in a SB
2007 was Big Ben vs. Bald Eagle (Hasslebeck)
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 13, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Rex Grossman
played in 06 vs Peyton and Indy..
Remember Devin Hester opening kickoff return for TD?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Oh thats right
Forgot the Bears made it to the SB. Yes I do remember the Hester KO return.
I need some ginko biloba I guess.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 13, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Take some more
Because 2005 was Ben vs. Matty Hassels. 2007 was last year (or at least, for the 2007 season), Brady/Eli.
Sorry for the late comment…playing catch up.
I took some ;)
I was referring to the actual date 2006 of the SB, not the season 2005. It’s very confusing, I might have to start doubling my dosage.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 18, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that
And, frankly, I think the improvements to the defense and running game are going to be what elevates the Cowboys from a great team to a championship team. It is absolutely true that you can win with a good running game and dominant defense. I think our defense will be a bit short of dominant, but thankfully our running and passing games are both very strong.
And thanks for helping me remember Wmillion. The Warner situation was a little different (injury happened in preseason), but the result and Warner’s situation before the Green injury are worth noting.
I think I am worried most about is
Another statue in the pocket like Bledsoe, with Bledsoe the defense knew where he was going to be and just "pinned their ears back" and went after him. Is Johnson much better?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
I think I am worried most about is
Another statue in the pocket like Bledsoe, with Bledsoe the defense knew where he was going to be and just "pinned their ears back" and went after him. Is Johnson much better?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
I think I am worried most about is
Another statue in the pocket like Bledsoe, with Bledsoe the defense knew where he was going to be and just "pinned their ears back" and went after him. Is Johnson much better?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
I think I am worried most about is
Another statue in the pocket like Bledsoe, with Bledsoe the defense knew where he was going to be and just "pinned their ears back" and went after him. Is Johnson much better?
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
At least Bledsoe could chuck it downfield (x 5)
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 13, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
More so than arm strength
I wonder if BJ can make the reads and get rid of the ball quick enough in the case of another team “pinning their ears back”. If he can, then go ahead and bring 6 guys after him and watch him dump the ball off to TO, Crayton, El Gato and possibly Austin and watch the YACs pile up.
What Happened?
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OK
We get it, you’re really worried about a non mobile QB. LOL
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by APerfectStar on Aug 13, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to have Bledsoe as our back up right now.....Jerry...talk him outta retirement...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I'm not going to say BJ is necessarily better than Bledsoe
But the only good thing I associate with that guy is Tony Romo, who took his job away. BJ may be awful, but so is an out-of-shape, out-of-practice Bledsoe. I would rather have a UDFA rookie.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I can’t take Bledsoe playing for this team. Too much anxiety. Waiting for him to throw the critical INT that loses the game for Dallas.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 13, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
no thanks on bledsoe
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
To Lito Sheppard.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 14, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys might be looking to upgrade backup QB
Cowboys might be looking to upgrade backup QB
Aug. 13, 2008
The preseason-opening loss to the Chargers was revealing on many fronts, mostly about the poor performances by the second-team players. And that was especially clear at quarterback, where Brad Johnson confirmed what many have said for a while. Despite Johnson’s experience and Super Bowl-winning pedigree, his lack of arm strength has been painfully obvious. Johnson will get first-team reps this week to see how he fares with better offensive talent around him and give the Cowboys a look at the frightening prospect of what things would be like without Tony Romo. But we hear that the team already has done its homework on Buccaneers QB Chris Simms, who is expected to be playing elsewhere this season, and has done some scouting on Dolphins QBs John Beck and Josh McCown, at least one of whom will be cut. Despite reports that the Cowboys liked Beck coming out of Brigham Young in 2006, we hear the scouting staff — headed at the time by current Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland — wasn’t all that wild about him.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I asked about Beck a coupla weeks ago.
He’d be a good 3rd, maybe like what the Skins are doing with Colt Brennan. BYU has produced some solid backup NFL QBs.
But I wouldn’t expect the Phins to flat out cut Beck after spending such a high draft pick on him just last year. Henne must be the future I guess, with Pennington manning the now. McCown, another vet, will probably be the #2 to both those guys. So Beck may be the odd man out. Can they still put him on the practice squad?
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 14, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Beck is reported to be the odd man out in Miami....
reports have it that they are shopping him around…I am sure Jerry’s been called….Tuna should be compensating us for all the gifts we’ve already tossed his way…..I’d take Beck as a developmental 3rd QB…..He’s got a ways to go before he can be relied on as a 2nd QB, as of right now, he’s not playing well, and under the tutoring of Garrett and Wilson, he can be a long term solution to the back up QB spot……..a 6th-7th rounder or take our chances that he doesn’t get dealt, and is outright released sometime this week………
p.s. BigRigga….they can put him on the practice squad….but this doesn’t protect him, as any team can take him as long as he is put on the active 53 man roster from the new team…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I know
I was just jokin bout the practice squad…just cuz it seems Beck would be developmental and offer little contribution this year should Romo take a game off.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
no...no help at all this year....but I've been wanting a kid with talent to groom ...
it’s time we start carrying 3 QB’s…..we don’t need a 6th WR, or a 4th TE, or a 10th OL, or a 5th S…..teams that carry around a 3rd developmental QB usually produce a game ready back up down the road…doesn’t need to be Beck….but someone with promise, youth, and skills……Atlanta, Tampa, Miami, Baltimore, San Fran, a few others might be letting go that type of guy real soon…..I’d like to take a look at what they got…..we know what B Johnson brings….do I think Bartel is going to amount to something special long term…..no….not at this point…….Denver for instance….they got Ramsey….he’ll be a great back up over there for years to come…we get a guy like Joey Harrington….we’re set for 5 years…..I really hope something happens……maybe like Brad stinking it up this weekend while running with the first unit so Jerry will get nasea, and throws a 5th rounder to Tampa for Simms or something….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I say
Go with 6 WR’s, dump a linemen, and grab a QB with a upside.. If we groom him too well, we trade him like ATL did Shaub.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
+1
on Wmillion and Boyz comments. Couldn’t agree more Boyz, gotta work for the future while playing for today. It’s hard to do but we’ve gotta find a way to do it.
Yes
time for Garrett to find his own project. He knows Romo’s swagger is encourageable and the dude’s self-efficient enough for Wilson and them to pay attention to helping somebody else out.
Bartel is too much of a project—I mean, one like you say,
someone with promise, youth, and skills
.
I can wait till draft just as long as Romo stays healthy. In fact, that’s the route I’d prefer.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I read somewhere that Ireland didn’t like Beck when he was the Scouting Director with us last year. SO it sounds like he’s definetly odd man out. And since he is relatively new and a second round pick I’ll bet they feel they are more likely to get something for him (mid or late round pick) as opposed to journeyman McCown.
i'll take beck.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
What do you guys think about picking up Joey Harrington?
Matt Ryan has looked really good so far, maybe good enough that ATL goes with Chris Redman and Ryan and cuts Joey. He has some talent, but has been playing on bottom of the barrel teams. I think he’d make a decent backup. So if he’s cut, what do you think?
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count me in.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Harrington would make a great backup
but I’d be really surprised if the Falcons cut him as he’s clearly better than Redman.
In Romo we Trust
I don't think so...
Over the final five weeks of the season, only three quarterbacks threw more touchdown passes than Chris Redman.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Oh, that's right
Even though he was playing for an arena league team in 2007 and then starting for a dismal NFL team a few months later he doesn’t count as a street FA because he was signed before TC.
i'm all for Harrington...more so than Simms actually...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I am Simms guy
He lead a team to the playoffs.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Harrington could lead this team in the playoffs too.
Don’t want to put a must-need scoring drive on his shoulders against some healty competition, but he can drive the bus and push the ball downfield.
It’d be cool to have a lefty on the team though. Isn’t Terrell a lefty?
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
"Lefty" being Simms.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive always liked Harrington
I think he’s to the point he would be “Satisfied” with a backup role. He has (or at least had) talent. Probably needs to be built back up confidence-wise though. Put on the roster as #3 until next year and then see if he can be the #2 to Romo.
Harrington would be the best guy out there.
The Falcons have already cut the former Duck this year; you think they’d do it again?
I don’t.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
probably depends on how high they are on the rest of the talent on their roster. They know who their starter’s gonna be and who their future is. If they have questions at other roster spots they may be tempted to keep an extra WR or OL and just keep two QBs.
They'll probly keep all 3 QBs.
Who knows what will happen with their year? They may need all 3 to rotate around injuries if their O-line gets em all smashed up.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 15, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully they keep shockley??!
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
LOL
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by APerfectStar on Aug 15, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
financially it would be their better choice for a 3rd QB....which is why Harrington will probably be the choice to go...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Josh Johnson
The Tampa Bay draft pick will probably be cut at the end of the pre-season, since he is the 5th QB-any interest?
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He's got some young, athletic legs
I think the ability to pick up first downs by running really helps out a young QB. I’d be intereseted in him as the 3rd or PS. Don’t know if he could be out Bartel.
If I remember right, he was Nebraska’s QB?
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
San Diego
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/josh-johnson?id=264
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Thanks
That’s the type of dev. QB I wish Dallas would always look to keep in their pockets, much like the way they did with Romo. Athletic and has zip on his passes.
Gruden will try to sneak him on the PS. He said last night, that he doesn’t like to collect QBs; he likes to develop them. He’ll keep at least 4 on the 53.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If he keeps 4
He is crazy, they need to keep some young WR’s and DB’s on that team..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Did you see Antonio Bryant?
He looked pretty good.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I did
Head case, but he is talented..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Bryant vs. Bennett
Both controversial Cowboys.
I prefer Bennett’s slacker attitude over Bryant’s anger. Dallas can work with Martellus. I don’t see him throwing any jerseys in Wade or Garrett’s face. He’s just funny.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Heard good things about him
But we are going to need a new #2 sooner, rather than later. I think BJ is fine for this year, MAYBE next year (big MAYBE). So I think we have to look for a #3 that has a season or two under his belt already and then a year on the roster to learn Garrett’s system.
I don't see Johnson getting cut....Gruden was very high on him before the draft....
they’ll carry 4 QB’s if need be….but he isn’t getting cut………..that being said, I’d love to grab him as a developmental 3rd QB…..lots of skills, and upside……..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
They have 5 QB's LOL
I am not sure what Gruden is trying to accomplish?? Do you really need J. Johnson when you have a young McCown..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
i really wold like to get J Johnson instead of B Johnson
to back up romo
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