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Dallas Cowboys starters not sharp in loss to Denver Broncos

Denver 23 – Dallas 13.

Here’s the good news – it was the starters that stunk it up this week (with a few exceptions like Zach Thomas). Yup, I’m taking that as good news, because I’m pretty sure that they won’t be that bad in the regular season. Give the Broncos credit too, Cutler played well, their receivers were killing our secondary and their line protected the QB. They looked good. But I’m sure our starters will play better by the real season and we got improved play out of the backups this week.

Miles Austin really helped himself again until he sprained his knee. Let’s hope that’s not serious because Austin is starting to show real promise. He made two great catches, one for a TD. Brad Johnson looked a little better behind the Cowboys starting line and the second unit did a better job of protecting him. The two passes to Austin though felt more like Austin did all the work and Brad just threw them up there. Still, he had a few other nice plays and gave me a little more confidence. Richard Bartel also looked better; he might have led us to a game-tying TD if his receiver hadn’t betrayed him. The game seem to slow down a little for Bartel this week, it looked like he was more in command of his offense.

The big surprise was the improved play of the special teams. Tashard Choice blocked a punt, Isaiah Stanback and Orlando Scandrick had a couple of good kick returns. Adam Jones looked good on his punt return. The coverage teams were much better, especially the punt team. Nick Folk and Mat McBriar kicked well. At least we came out of the game feeling a lot better about special teams.

On the other side of the ledger, the penalties are ridiculous. We killed ourselves with penalties again. We are playing undisciplined, sloppy football out there. Wade Phillips needs to get it through their heads that penalties are a sure way to self-destruct. We saw plenty of examples of that on the field tonight.

I couldn’t watch it on the big-screen or with Tivo replays, and the numbers for the players weren’t always clear on my little video, so I can’t go into deep analysis. But I can say we got very little pass rush early and our first team secondary didn’t play that well. In general, the defense of the first quarter was abysmal. Here are some other quick observations

Looking good:
Miles Austin, let’s pray his knee isn’t seriously injured.
Adam Jones, had a good night tackling plus a punt return.
Orlando Scandrick, nice hit and a couple of other good plays.
Rodney Hannah put on a little show for a couple of drives.
Evan Oglesby when playing against the backups. Not so much against the starters, but he’s a backup anyway.

Tough day at the office:
First team defense.
Team discipline.

Quick hits:
Nice run after catch by Felix Jones.
Tashard Choice blocking a punt.
Keon Lattimore with a couple of good runs.
Danny Amendola got his first catch.
Todd Lowber got his first catch for 39 yards.

Box Score.

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The starters

Looked tired and ready to go home. I know we wanted to see Johnson get some time with the starters, but I wanted to see Romo stay in there a bit more. So far this preseason he has just 3 series under his belt. While we all know what he can do, It would have been nice to see Romo try and get a good rhythm going with the offense. He just missed hitting a long ball to Hurd. Just have to wait until next week when we should see the starters play at least a full half.

It’s nice to see Greg Ellis step up and their heads back into the game. After his pep talk, the team seemed to get a bit more fire in their step.

by Brandon Worley on Aug 17, 2008 12:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know Grizz is right

This is not the time of year when playoff games are won or lost. Like special teams became a focus, hopefully getting the offense back in synch and cutting out the penalties will become the next thing to fine tune.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 17, 2008 6:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sherman was trying to keep him out

“The real killer is that Cowboys receivers coach Ray Sherman was trying to grab Austin to keep him from running onto the field for the coverage unit.” — Mac Engel at S-T Cowboys Corner blog

Says Austin is going to likely be out the rest of the preseason, and possibly the first game of the regular season, too. He’s scheduled to have an MRI on the knee on Sunday.

by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sucks

Just bad luckfor Austin when he’s finally turning the corner, also I’m seeing problems down the road with Cricket playing wedge buster on ST, he’s more important as the starting FB, it would be a shame to lose him on a ST play.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

re: Cricket

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable

Well, now they definitely can’t afford to keep Hurd and Stanback on KOs either.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most productive?????

How many catches did he have last year again?? Did I miss something..

by Deke on Aug 17, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he has been the most productive

these first two preseason games by far

by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Austin is the most productive receiver?

They gotta send somebody out there. Now if Austin solidifies himself as the 3, which I think he may be close to doing, then he probably wont be out there. But look at Roy, he’s a pro bowl starter and he plays a lot of special teams.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Pacmans gettin his timing back.

He just about had 2 picks in a row. good to see that.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

He was all over the place making tackles, one peek at his punt return ability was exciting, plus 2 balls so close to INT’s. He looked really good out there.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

he didn’t let the RB get inside of him like in the last game

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the game in general

The only thing that bothers me is the stupid penalties. Yeah, maybe the boys came out just a little flat, but the were still playing pretty well. They just had some back breaker penalties, and when you block a punt and the other team ends up with a first down, it aint your night. Looked like both sides of the ball were keepin things pretty vanilla so that can be misleading.

Special teams were better, too bad Prater wouldnt let us return any damn kickoffs, Stanback look like he was ready to set off the fireworks. Scandrick too.

Lets hope Austin is only out a week or two, he’s lookin pretty good.

All in all

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

how is Denver going to practice their KO units when that guy gets all Daluiso-like towards the back of the end zone? Frustrating.

Penalties, alone, almost lost that 2nd Giants game last year for the Boys. You’d think they’d at least like to cut them in half. I swear, they either have 0 or 100 yards a game.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penalties

There are many reasons for penalties, some avoidable and some not so easy to stop. You can have a close call on tight coverage or a stupid personal foul. You can hold to prevent a sack or make a horsecollar tackle after you get beat on a pass.

Punishing players for penalties is not the way to go. If you are handing out punishment, it should be for bad play. That includes a lot of penalties, but a lot of other things too. However, I’m not so sure that making players run extra laps is going to be a good way to get them to play better. These are elite professional athletes, after all.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Aug 17, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevertheless, most penalties are from lack of discipline

especially pre-snap penalties. Maybe running laps or whatever isn’t the answer, but it is a problem that needs solving.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Wade

I’d revert back to a high school style of coaching and make them run a lap per 5 yards in penalties or worse.. Whatever Wade is doing ain’t working. Avoiding penalties is a very, very important part of this game. Hell I’d rather have 0 penalties than 5 sacks in a game.

by sublimezg on Aug 17, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um...

so would anyone? maybe you meant you’d rather have 0 penalties even if it meant giving up 5 sacks?

i’d disagree with that one to some extent although the gist of what you’re saying comes through… if you get a holding penalty at least you get another shot at it. sack = loss of down plus loss of yards.

by Scoobay on Aug 17, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or perhaps..

you meant you’d rather have zero penalties than Ware and company getting 5 sacks on defense? lol…

by Scoobay on Aug 17, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Wade

I’d make Campo in charge of making them run those laps.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thoughts

Special teams will be fine.

1st team offense looked good. Last week they worked Witten in to the offense, this week it was TO. I think in 1st 2 weeks they intentionally limited the hits on there two stars.

1st team defense had some back breaking penalties. Jenkins learned a valuable lesson, when he got burnt on a double move. Our pressure on the QB wasn’t good.

All in All I give the performance a B-. Some of the positives out way the negatives.. Austins play at WR, AJ is looking better, ST stepped up, and no major injuries..

  • I just hope Austin can play in the last pre-season game*********

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

looks like Austin has sprained MCL

From what I have been reading it will take at least 4 weeks. So he might be back by week 3, man I hope it doesn’t hurt his progression.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too

Austin was the best and the worst thing about this game. The best, his play; the worst, his injury.

by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where did you read this?

That is a pretty specific diagnosis, where are you getting your info from?

by quincyyyyy on Aug 17, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sprained right MCL

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=CF8C2DF9-02CA-00FB-CF9E082A7E11F48B

For Miles Austin, the sprained right MCL couldn’t have possibly come at a worse time.
[…]
Austin seemed to be playing the best football of his young career. He said he would undergo an MRI on the knee Sunday, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he didn’t expect Austin to play in the final two preseason games. Jones said the injury would not require surgery and he was optimistic it would not linger much into the regular season.

by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I found this about sprained MCL's
Participation Status
Return to activity is dependant on the severity of the MCL sprain. Progression through rehab along with pain levels will also determine when an athlete is permitted to return to participation. An athlete should be functionally tested to make sure drills such as cutting and pivoting will not cause further injury. With a grade I MCL sprain, athletes will return to full play after up to 10- 14. Grade II MCL sprains will keep athletes out of play for about 3 weeks and grade III sprains will keep athletes out for an average of 5 weeks. Each athlete is different with progression and if progression is slow, re-evaluation for other injuries is necessary.

http://www.stockton.edu/ospreys/ComInjuries/MCLSprain.htm

by quincyyyyy on Aug 17, 2008 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

after MRI today we'll probably know more

as to the degree of the injury. that’s good info to keep in mind.

by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If its grade one he probably should be able to return for the Cleveland game.

He didn’t seem to be in too much pain so maybe it is, but then again Austin is a tough cookie which makes it hard to tell.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 17, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

May force the team to keep 6 WRs

No idea who the 6 would be though.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was under

the impression we were keeping 6 anyhow….

TO
Crayton
Austin
Hurd
Stanbach
Amendola or Jefferson (Lowber…possibly)

You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach

by TrueBlue24 on Aug 17, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me 2, but I think keeping 3 QBs

and a bunch of corners (6 or 7 even) woulda cut into some position. Seems like Dallas always keeps a rookie WR on the 53.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever time table they say for his return you might as well add

2 weeks. Week 3 sounds about right if it’s a grade 1. Man, that sucks. When I heard it last night I couldn’t believe it. I think it was clear before last night Austin pretty much locked down the #3 Wr spot.

Anyone want to disagree with me now that Amendola doesn’t make the team?

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 17, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

There’s no point bringing him back until he’s 100%. Just sucks because noone else has the skill sets he offers.

Amendola needs a lot of work these next 2 games if he’s gonna make the team. I’d really like to see them get him in sooner. Hell, play him in the slot from the 1st quarter on. This next game may see the starters in all half, so I’d like to see what he offers against some healthy competition.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no point on rushing him back.

We need him for the stretch. I know one thing, we better bring some different blitzes come week 1, because the vanilla base D isn’t getting to the QB.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the first stringers were worn down

Moose commented that this game was the toughest as the guys have been non stop since camp opened and most of them were ready to get back to Dallas. Then Ellis commented during his sideline interview that he was tired and ready to see his family. It did look like the starters played flat with a few exceptions, and we did have more injuries than the first game. Hopefully, next weeks performance will give credence to that theory.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they shouldn't do such a long stretch like this anymore.

I don’t even like leaving my dog when I go to work, I could only imagine having to leave your wife and kids for weeks.

Will be nice to have a home game this next week.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurd or Stanback

It is your time to shine. I am trying to take something positive out of this and maybe one of the two will step up. Then we will have 4 WR’s that are making big time plays..

I expect Austin’s hunger to only grow while he rehabs and I faith he will pick up were he left off..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not counting on Hurd

I saw all I needed to see when he couldn’t catch up to the ball Romo threw to him in the second quarter against the Broncos. If that was TO or Austin it’s a TD. That’s what were missing when TO is out. Crayton or Hurd can’t do that. It’s just sucks that Austin is lost now probably until mid season, because he was the only other player with that kind of break away speed.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 17, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more like 4 to 6 games lets hope

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 17, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 max

That is 7 weeks from now

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll have more to go on once they actually report on the MRI

but at this point I would definitely take the under on 4 games out. I’d say 3 max, and maybe not even that. Austin is young and healthy, and you can bet he’s going to be taking T.O.’s example and spending a lot of time in the hyperbaric chamber, and generally doing everything else he can to stay in football shape while his knee rehabs.

I know a WR knee takes more stress than a QB knee, but T. Jackson had the exact same injury on Saturday and the Vikes are expecting him back in time for their season opener in 3 weeks. He’s already on a stationary bike.

But again, all speculation until we get a real MRI report.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurd

He’s solid, that was clearly an overthrow on Romo, he just needed to put a little more arc on the pass. Hurd had his man beaten.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Hurd is solid, keep throwing him the ball..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

not really. That ball was catchable. That ball woud’ve been caught by TO or Austin no problem.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 17, 2008 11:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

roll reversal

starters did"nt get in the game until they realized ,oh,Denver"s tryn to beat us, & finally got them off the field.
backups & special teams lookd better, but they should look better.
Still got stuff to work on(penality’s)
we still got a lil time to work out the kinks, but id not like to take anymore loses.
Time for some Home Cookn

by bleedn blu on Aug 18, 2008 1:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was..

A Carpenter fan – not anymore, maybe Dallas isn’t the place for him.

Nr. 28 – WOW factor is RIGHT.

I am changing my mind about the receivers – we are good to go.

I still want a "mobile" back-up QB. BUT quick dumps to numbers 24 and 28 will make any QB look good. (Nr 29 isn’t to be forgotten, and Nr 35 was a pleasant surprise.) Some tuff decision are coming up, glad it’s not me making them

I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys

by stxshooter on Aug 18, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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