Dallas Cowboys starters not sharp in loss to Denver Broncos
by Dave Halprin on Aug 16, 2008 11:44 PM CDT
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PrintLooking good:
Miles Austin, let’s pray his knee isn’t seriously injured.
Adam Jones, had a good night tackling plus a punt return.
Orlando Scandrick, nice hit and a couple of other good plays.
Rodney Hannah put on a little show for a couple of drives.
Evan Oglesby when playing against the backups. Not so much against the starters, but he’s a backup anyway.
Tough day at the office:
First team defense.
Team discipline.
Quick hits:
Nice run after catch by Felix Jones.
Tashard Choice blocking a punt.
Keon Lattimore with a couple of good runs.
Danny Amendola got his first catch.
Todd Lowber got his first catch for 39 yards.
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The starters
Looked tired and ready to go home. I know we wanted to see Johnson get some time with the starters, but I wanted to see Romo stay in there a bit more. So far this preseason he has just 3 series under his belt. While we all know what he can do, It would have been nice to see Romo try and get a good rhythm going with the offense. He just missed hitting a long ball to Hurd. Just have to wait until next week when we should see the starters play at least a full half.
It’s nice to see Greg Ellis step up and their heads back into the game. After his pep talk, the team seemed to get a bit more fire in their step.
by Brandon Worley on Aug 17, 2008 12:03 AM CDT reply actions
I know Grizz is right
This is not the time of year when playoff games are won or lost. Like special teams became a focus, hopefully getting the offense back in synch and cutting out the penalties will become the next thing to fine tune.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Sherman was trying to keep him out
“The real killer is that Cowboys receivers coach Ray Sherman was trying to grab Austin to keep him from running onto the field for the coverage unit.” — Mac Engel at S-T Cowboys Corner blog
Says Austin is going to likely be out the rest of the preseason, and possibly the first game of the regular season, too. He’s scheduled to have an MRI on the knee on Sunday.
That sucks
Just bad luckfor Austin when he’s finally turning the corner, also I’m seeing problems down the road with Cricket playing wedge buster on ST, he’s more important as the starting FB, it would be a shame to lose him on a ST play.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
re: Cricket
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
Well, now they definitely can’t afford to keep Hurd and Stanback on KOs either.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Austin is the most productive receiver?
They gotta send somebody out there. Now if Austin solidifies himself as the 3, which I think he may be close to doing, then he probably wont be out there. But look at Roy, he’s a pro bowl starter and he plays a lot of special teams.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
Looks like Pacmans gettin his timing back.
He just about had 2 picks in a row. good to see that.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions
+1
He was all over the place making tackles, one peek at his punt return ability was exciting, plus 2 balls so close to INT’s. He looked really good out there.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And
he didn’t let the RB get inside of him like in the last game
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
About the game in general
The only thing that bothers me is the stupid penalties. Yeah, maybe the boys came out just a little flat, but the were still playing pretty well. They just had some back breaker penalties, and when you block a punt and the other team ends up with a first down, it aint your night. Looked like both sides of the ball were keepin things pretty vanilla so that can be misleading.
Special teams were better, too bad Prater wouldnt let us return any damn kickoffs, Stanback look like he was ready to set off the fireworks. Scandrick too.
Lets hope Austin is only out a week or two, he’s lookin pretty good.
All in all
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 17, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah
how is Denver going to practice their KO units when that guy gets all Daluiso-like towards the back of the end zone? Frustrating.
Penalties, alone, almost lost that 2nd Giants game last year for the Boys. You’d think they’d at least like to cut them in half. I swear, they either have 0 or 100 yards a game.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Penalties
There are many reasons for penalties, some avoidable and some not so easy to stop. You can have a close call on tight coverage or a stupid personal foul. You can hold to prevent a sack or make a horsecollar tackle after you get beat on a pass.
Punishing players for penalties is not the way to go. If you are handing out punishment, it should be for bad play. That includes a lot of penalties, but a lot of other things too. However, I’m not so sure that making players run extra laps is going to be a good way to get them to play better. These are elite professional athletes, after all.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
Nevertheless, most penalties are from lack of discipline
especially pre-snap penalties. Maybe running laps or whatever isn’t the answer, but it is a problem that needs solving.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If I were Wade
I’d revert back to a high school style of coaching and make them run a lap per 5 yards in penalties or worse.. Whatever Wade is doing ain’t working. Avoiding penalties is a very, very important part of this game. Hell I’d rather have 0 penalties than 5 sacks in a game.
um...
so would anyone? maybe you meant you’d rather have 0 penalties even if it meant giving up 5 sacks?
i’d disagree with that one to some extent although the gist of what you’re saying comes through… if you get a holding penalty at least you get another shot at it. sack = loss of down plus loss of yards.
or perhaps..
you meant you’d rather have zero penalties than Ware and company getting 5 sacks on defense? lol…
If I were Wade
I’d make Campo in charge of making them run those laps.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
my thoughts
Special teams will be fine.
1st team offense looked good. Last week they worked Witten in to the offense, this week it was TO. I think in 1st 2 weeks they intentionally limited the hits on there two stars.
1st team defense had some back breaking penalties. Jenkins learned a valuable lesson, when he got burnt on a double move. Our pressure on the QB wasn’t good.
All in All I give the performance a B-. Some of the positives out way the negatives.. Austins play at WR, AJ is looking better, ST stepped up, and no major injuries..
- I just hope Austin can play in the last pre-season game*********
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
looks like Austin has sprained MCL
From what I have been reading it will take at least 4 weeks. So he might be back by week 3, man I hope it doesn’t hurt his progression.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
sprained right MCL
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=CF8C2DF9-02CA-00FB-CF9E082A7E11F48B
For Miles Austin, the sprained right MCL couldn’t have possibly come at a worse time.
[…]
Austin seemed to be playing the best football of his young career. He said he would undergo an MRI on the knee Sunday, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he didn’t expect Austin to play in the final two preseason games. Jones said the injury would not require surgery and he was optimistic it would not linger much into the regular season.
I found this about sprained MCL's
Participation Status
Return to activity is dependant on the severity of the MCL sprain. Progression through rehab along with pain levels will also determine when an athlete is permitted to return to participation. An athlete should be functionally tested to make sure drills such as cutting and pivoting will not cause further injury. With a grade I MCL sprain, athletes will return to full play after up to 10- 14. Grade II MCL sprains will keep athletes out of play for about 3 weeks and grade III sprains will keep athletes out for an average of 5 weeks. Each athlete is different with progression and if progression is slow, re-evaluation for other injuries is necessary.
after MRI today we'll probably know more
as to the degree of the injury. that’s good info to keep in mind.
If its grade one he probably should be able to return for the Cleveland game.
He didn’t seem to be in too much pain so maybe it is, but then again Austin is a tough cookie which makes it hard to tell.
May force the team to keep 6 WRs
No idea who the 6 would be though.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I was under
the impression we were keeping 6 anyhow….
TO
Crayton
Austin
Hurd
Stanbach
Amendola or Jefferson (Lowber…possibly)
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Me 2, but I think keeping 3 QBs
and a bunch of corners (6 or 7 even) woulda cut into some position. Seems like Dallas always keeps a rookie WR on the 53.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever time table they say for his return you might as well add
2 weeks. Week 3 sounds about right if it’s a grade 1. Man, that sucks. When I heard it last night I couldn’t believe it. I think it was clear before last night Austin pretty much locked down the #3 Wr spot.
Anyone want to disagree with me now that Amendola doesn’t make the team?
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
Yup
There’s no point bringing him back until he’s 100%. Just sucks because noone else has the skill sets he offers.
Amendola needs a lot of work these next 2 games if he’s gonna make the team. I’d really like to see them get him in sooner. Hell, play him in the slot from the 1st quarter on. This next game may see the starters in all half, so I’d like to see what he offers against some healthy competition.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
no point on rushing him back.
We need him for the stretch. I know one thing, we better bring some different blitzes come week 1, because the vanilla base D isn’t getting to the QB.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Maybe the first stringers were worn down
Moose commented that this game was the toughest as the guys have been non stop since camp opened and most of them were ready to get back to Dallas. Then Ellis commented during his sideline interview that he was tired and ready to see his family. It did look like the starters played flat with a few exceptions, and we did have more injuries than the first game. Hopefully, next weeks performance will give credence to that theory.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Maybe they shouldn't do such a long stretch like this anymore.
I don’t even like leaving my dog when I go to work, I could only imagine having to leave your wife and kids for weeks.
Will be nice to have a home game this next week.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Hurd or Stanback
It is your time to shine. I am trying to take something positive out of this and maybe one of the two will step up. Then we will have 4 WR’s that are making big time plays..
I expect Austin’s hunger to only grow while he rehabs and I faith he will pick up were he left off..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Not counting on Hurd
I saw all I needed to see when he couldn’t catch up to the ball Romo threw to him in the second quarter against the Broncos. If that was TO or Austin it’s a TD. That’s what were missing when TO is out. Crayton or Hurd can’t do that. It’s just sucks that Austin is lost now probably until mid season, because he was the only other player with that kind of break away speed.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
4 max
That is 7 weeks from now
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
we'll have more to go on once they actually report on the MRI
but at this point I would definitely take the under on 4 games out. I’d say 3 max, and maybe not even that. Austin is young and healthy, and you can bet he’s going to be taking T.O.’s example and spending a lot of time in the hyperbaric chamber, and generally doing everything else he can to stay in football shape while his knee rehabs.
I know a WR knee takes more stress than a QB knee, but T. Jackson had the exact same injury on Saturday and the Vikes are expecting him back in time for their season opener in 3 weeks. He’s already on a stationary bike.
But again, all speculation until we get a real MRI report.
Hurd
He’s solid, that was clearly an overthrow on Romo, he just needed to put a little more arc on the pass. Hurd had his man beaten.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 17, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
nah
not really. That ball was catchable. That ball woud’ve been caught by TO or Austin no problem.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
roll reversal
starters did"nt get in the game until they realized ,oh,Denver"s tryn to beat us, & finally got them off the field.
backups & special teams lookd better, but they should look better.
Still got stuff to work on(penality’s)
we still got a lil time to work out the kinks, but id not like to take anymore loses.
Time for some Home Cookn
I was..
A Carpenter fan – not anymore, maybe Dallas isn’t the place for him.
Nr. 28 – WOW factor is RIGHT.
I am changing my mind about the receivers – we are good to go.
I still want a "mobile" back-up QB. BUT quick dumps to numbers 24 and 28 will make any QB look good. (Nr 29 isn’t to be forgotten, and Nr 35 was a pleasant surprise.) Some tuff decision are coming up, glad it’s not me making them
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