First Impressions of This Year's Draft Class
I know it's early, but we've seen enough in these last 2 preseason games to have some adequate first impressions of this year's draft class. Here's my take on each player:
Felix Jones - Honestly, I only expected him to provide a Reggie Bush-type influence on this offense. Now, instead of a RB/WR hybrid, I see him more as a guy who can do it all (ala Brian Westbrook). "El Gato" looks strong enough to lead the running attack should Barber miss any time. Grade so far: A
Mike Jenkins - Like Felix, Jenkins doesn't need a year in an NFL weight room to prove he can hang with the pros. Already, he's shown some great pass defense skills and those hard-hitting traits we all saw highlights of when Dallas made the pick. He'd be an Opening Day starter on most teams in the league. Grade so far: A-
Martellus Bennett - Hard Knocks perhaps provided fans with too much insight on this already controversial draft pick. If we throw all that out, along with the debate of who else Dallas could have drafted in the second round, we can see that Bennett provides some dynamics that Anthony Fasano could not: speed, range, and untapped potential. His upside, though, depends on his passion to be great. Grade so far: C+
Tashard Choice - Some players appreciate the game so much that their passion drives them every chance they get on the field. Guys like Choice are guys you want on your football team. He picks up the tough yards, excels on special teams, and has potential to be a real leader. He was the one player I wanted the Cowboys to target in the draft. Grade so far: B+
Orlando Scandrick - Scandrick's play so far has been the biggest surprise for me. After drafting him, I just expected a speedy project player to provide some depth at the cornerback position. But this guy brings it! The coaches are giving him a good deal of playing time and he looks, to me, to be ahead of the learning curve. Odds are he'll be in those sub packages this year and will prove to be a special teams ace. The best thing I like about Scandrick is he proves the Cowboys' scouts know what they're doing. Grade so far: B+
Erik Walden - Either I haven't been paying attention to this guy's play, or he hasn't made many. But as a pass-rusher, his duties have been limited by the reluctance of the coaching staff to blitz this preseason. I trust that their defensive minds will turn him loose soon. He plays the most impactful position in this scheme, so I'll have to make a conscious effort to keep my eye on him in these last two games. But until I do, he gets the benefit of being on the Pass/No Pass option. Grade so far: P
How would you grade this class so far?
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Grades based on draft position or just overall performance?
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda based em on what I've seen of each player
while in the 1st 2 preseason games. How successful were they with each snapped played? That includes ball skills, YAC, blocking, mental mistakes, ST, tackling tenacity, playmaking ability.
As rookies, how have they each impressed you?
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my grades
Felix A
Jenkins B
Choice A
Scandrick C
Bennett D
Walden D
I like Bennett’s catch, I think all of the media attention could actually help this kid. I like the way he responded..
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YAC
I especially liked his effort after the catch. Looked to me like he had the ball tucked tight, and still managed to bust through three guys to get some good extra yards before they brought him down. not sure whether he’s responding to the attention or just doing what he would have done anyway, but if he tries extra hard to prove the perceptions wrong, that’s good.
it will be interesting to see Hard Knocks this week. They have at least 6 plays from the game that fit nicely into some of their main story lines, with Bennett, Amendola, Lowber and Keon (not to mention Felix).
by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not impressed with Scandrick?
Thought he had a pretty good return last night and heard he came close to blocking a kick.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has some quality hits..
But I don’t remember him with any key pass deflections or Int’s..
I am happy to have him, but not impressed.
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had that pick 6 against the Texans.
Oh, I’m getting ahead of myself.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big's grades are more indictive of their play thus far....
Walden really hasn’t been given much play to shine…I saw him in a few plays mixing it up….With Rogers seperated shoulder…I see Walden making the squad now…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 17, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’ve been playing “Where’s Walden” in the 4th quarters.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sooo excited to see Felix
Once we open up the playbook in the regular season. I think his abilities can take this offense to a new level.
He’s going to be the back everyone wanted Reggie Bush to be.
by mhuff13 on Aug 17, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
El Gato
Definitely has the potential to go from contributor to game changer. I love his speed and elusiveness.
by bluewolf021 on Aug 17, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
which is why I predicted he'd be NFL offensive rookie of the year...BEFORE we drafted him...
now that he’s on the Cowboys….I think that prediction sticks….as he’ll be featured here in every fascet of our passing, rushing, and return game……He’ll have well over 1,000 combined yards…probably 1,500+ total yards this year.
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 17, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
with return yards included, that’s very reasonable I think, yards and rookie of the year. Man it is exciting to see that kid run, he just makes it look so easy, he’s so versatile, can’t wait to see him light it up when the regular season starts!
by scottmaui on Aug 17, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm "studying" for my FF draft coming up next weekend
and I really think I’m gonna grab Felix in the 2nd. Our draft snakes so I won’t have another pick until the end of the 3rd and I don’t see him lasting that long if he continues to make headlines.
Your comment is really swaying my decision because we get return points too. Plus, it’s a Keeper league and I can have him for another year. Hmm…
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont' do it
You can get him later. 2nd is way to high. Check out his average draft postion, it is around rd 9 for 10 team drafts, even though I will say he is going higher then that in ESPN mockdrafts.
If you want to jump up and grab him early think round 6 or 7
http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/adp.cfm?page=3
How many players can you keep from year to year?
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We keep one
which means 7 of the top backs are unavailable and I’m keeping Romo (1 QB league), so I’ll have thin pickings for RBs because I pick last in the 1st and 1st in the 2nd.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is your draft position?
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanback and Supercat
next to eachother on kickoffs is gonna be nasty.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 18, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won last year
so I pick last, but it snakes so I’ll pick 1st in the 2nd round. This is what sucks about keeping a QB. I’ll be lucky to have MJD or Michael Turner to fall to me.
No other Dallas fans in the league, but some real Cowboyblockers, especially with the DEF.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 17, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would work
I would take both over felix and take felix in the 5th or 6th..
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by Wmillion on Aug 17, 2008 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't too impressed with Jenkins
in the Broncos game, almost looked like Reeves was still playing for us.
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by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 7:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just keep in mind
their entire defense was playing off, no press coverage, and very plain, and also no blitzing or stunting so very little pass pressure up front. with the denver qbs having as much time as they did, receivers are going to get open eventually. i just wouldn’t read too much into it yet.
by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Jenkins
looked to have some footing problems even though I heard Dallas switched out their cleats.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He bit on a double move...it happens to the best of them....he'll be fine...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 18, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I read on Mose’s ESPN blog that someone with the Cowboys told him they wouldn’t have had him one on one like they did, but they wanted to see what he could do.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 19, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got
Felix—- A, ready to go
Jenkins—- B, got the skills to be a lockdown, would probably start for another team,should get better.
T.Choice—- A, ready to go as well
Bennet—- D, has progressed to C, keep risen
Scandrick—- B, great speed & has shown that he"s not scared to lay wood to somebody
Walden—- C, he got in on some action, want to see more
Overall i think we did pretty good
by bleedn blu on Aug 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree there
Draft Class has the chance to be A three years down the road..
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by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's really cool
is the Boys only had 6 picks. They sure used each wisely. Well, most of these guys should contribute THIS year. Nice not having to wait 3 years to see what we’ve got. It’s annoying having to wait for guys like Bobby C and Marten.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You BigRigga
I was thinking last night about how disappointed I was last year win Cleveland was playing well. After reflecting back it was a good thing. We got El Gato for the perfect price, I don’t think we could have waited a another pick to get him.. Plus, we were still able to get a potential lock down corner in Jenkins..
Cleveland’s good season saved us a lot of money..
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Woulda paid a ton for DMAC, when Felix may be just as good.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix vs Reggie
I sure hope Felix can run the ball better than Reggie Bush – I am will to admit I know nothing of the N.O. OL.
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by stxshooter on Aug 19, 2008 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have faith
Felix already looks better running through the tackles.. Reggie averaged 3.7 yds a carry, plus he really isn’t doing much with the ball once he cathces it..
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix looks more compact than Reggie.
Bush is almost built like a WR.
At 5’10", 211 and with the guns he has, Felix looks like a RB. After watching him this preseason, he’s alot more of a RB than I thought he would be. I expected him to be like Bush—a situational guy. But if MB3 went down, I’d bet Felix can do a lot better than 3.7.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
write it down.....Felix Jones will average 5.4 yards per carry at years end...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 19, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many carries will have for the season?
and how many receptions>?
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure he'll get between 150-175 carries, and about 30-40 receptions....
so if your looking to get him for FF…i’m not sure i’d invest early on him…but the way i’m projecting touches, and barring injury to MBIII, I think my numbers will be right on…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 19, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
felix
you are projecting 891 yds rushing, based off of 160 carries and 263 yds receiving based off of 35 receptions.. so 1153 total yds..
Not bad, I could see that.
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how you came up with receiving yardage ???
but it would be in the 260-360 range…as I see him averaging about 8-10 yars per reception…based on the 35 receptions prediction…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 19, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+840 yards coming on KRs
Averaging roughly 28 yards on 30 returns with 2 TDs.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.....I would agree with those numbers as well...I really hope he gets 30 returns this year...
which would also put him beyond the 1,500 total yards prediction leading to NFL Rookie of the year honors..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 20, 2008 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gosh
When was the last time Dallas had an offensive R.O.Y.? Julius? Or does it stretch all the way back to Emmitt?
I know Ware was close to defensive, but not-so-Merryman beat him out.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does Bennett get a C+???
What has he done so far that gives you cause to grant him him a ‘better than average’ grade?
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by 5Blings on Aug 19, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a tad better than average
Because he looked to have improved from game 1 to game 2. These are just prelim “so far” grades. The expectations of Bennett are very high and continuing to grow, so if you compare him to an average 3rd TE, like David Thomas (Patriots) or Michael Matthews (Giants)—I’d say he’s better than average.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Buying Bennett
Felix: He is ready! (A)
Jenkins: Talk about an upgrade over Jacques Reeves…what an athlete (B+)
Bennett: I blame the front office more than Bennett. He is who we thought he was! (D-)
Choice: Good player, but seems like a luxury pick. With Marion, Felix, Alonzo Coleman and others, I don’t think this was a position of need. Some people argued that Barber might hold out and that he was insurance. Okay, the Super Bowl bound Cowboys go without BOTH of their top 2 backs from last year? Come on, get real. This guy is a gamer, though. (B+)
Scandrick: I have to admit, this guy looks like a faster, tougher version of Dre Bly. After Felix, this looks like the next best pick. (A)
Walden: I have to grade this an incomplete since it looks like this kid is being kept under wraps and may find it difficult to make the active roster. (I)
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by 5Blings on Aug 19, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like the Bennett pick at the time
and I still dont like it. I dont like his attitude, attention to detail and his lack of drive.
We are probably going to lose Hannah because if he has another good game like he had Saturday night, someone will pick him up. I liked the kid, has all the tools, just needed time to develop. I would of been comfortable going into the season with Hannah as the third tightend and the bennett pick in the second round should of been a receiver.
I like the Scandrick pick from the moment he was selected, couldn’t believe he was still there in the fifth round. Dont know alot about Walden, time wll tell with him, has a quick first step but is very raw.
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
question
Out of the WR’s that went after M. Bennett which one do you think Dallas should have selected?
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Caldwell, Earl Bennett, Franklin or Hawkins
There’s three off the top of my head I think that went after the Bennett pick.
But if you listen to Jerry, he was inclined to trade up and get a receiver, hardy was the guy he had in mind, I liked Hardy, but I think he should of stayed in school another year. Receiver was one of the three needs going into the draft. I had zero faith that Glenn was coming back despite the ramblings of Jerry of how well Glenn was coming along, again Jerry is the king of double talk.
As soon as the receivers started to go off the board early in the second round, you knew there was going to be a huge run on receievers, but instead of making a move to get one, the cowboys sat there and thought there was going to be four or five that they were interested in, they were wrong. If there wasn’t the receiver there you coveted, then they should of moved down. I’m not saying Bennett will be a bust by along shot, he’s got talent, its his attitude I and others dont like. The way Hannah played in Denver and if he has another good game, we wont be able to sneak him back on the practice squad. It thought he would of been a fine third option on the tightend depth chart after Fasano was traded.Dallas has to address the receiver position soon, T.O isn’t getting any younger, and there isn’t a lead type receiever on this roster behind him to take over. Lots of three’s and with Austin’s injury, he’s the only number two speed receiver but now with his injury, he’ll spent the rest of the year getting back to where he was last week.
This organization just doesn’t address drafting QB’s or receivers early, two key positions on a team.We should atleast draft a QB every two or three years and it doesn’t have to be early, but if a highly touted one drops in your lap in the third, you should take him. A receiver every two or three years. You dont find Micheal Irvin type receivers in the seventh round or as undrafted free agents. We certainly draft lots of running backs though, a position you can fill in mid to later rounds. Thats has nothing to do with the felix pick either, if thats what you’re thinking. We spent alot of the second day moving down and stock piling picks next year.
Last year we didn’t address the corner position, instead we were stuck with Reeves and Jones, where did that get us…
Alot of Cowboy fans wanted Dywayne Jarrett, where I thought Steve Smith was the better receiver on USC. How is Jarrett working out, not too well…
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
I wanted a WR and I wanted Hardy. I wanted us to trade up and grab him..
If I had to pick between the WR’s that were available at our pick, I would have drafted Wil Franklin or Caldwell. Depending on who worked out better. They both have good hands and run sub 4.4’s.
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally would have traded up for Desean Jackson the moment he began to slip in the second round...
If that wasn’t feasable, I would have certainly drafted Will Franklin in the third, or even after trading out of that spot, we still had a shot at him in the 4th….The Cowboys will regret overlooking him, as I project he’ll make this year All Rookie team…along with my previous mentioned Desean Jackson………
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Desean Jackson too
he’s looked good in the two game I watched with philly. Good route runner, good hands and very shifty with alot of speed.
Imagine him stretching the field on the opposite side of T.O…
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desean has looked good
He is getting a lot targets with Brown out, I would be interested to see what Stanback could do if he got 10 targets during the pre-season..
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem w/desean
the problem w/desean is he was completely shut out of so many games in college. everybody loves the guy b/c he is fast, but how many 100 yd games did he have as a senior? would you have guessed 2 out of 12 games? lavelle hawkins put up more receiving yards than jackson last year.
i think he will have a slow transition to the nfl. my brother went to cal so i started 2007 hoping we could get desean then became unimpressed as the year went on.
by 325424 on Aug 22, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...maybe because D Coordinators rolled double coverage over to his side EVERY single play this past season...
which is why Hawkins was in single coverage EVERY single play this past season…
I could only imagine the reason De Jackson was getting less TD’s, receptrions and a mere half dozen punt returns this past season was more indicitive of how fearful opposing teams were to even have the ball in his hands ?
plus he battled a deep thigh bruise that limited him for a few games…
slow transition to the NFL?….Desean Jackson- 1st team NFL All Rookie Team……write it down..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 22, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i may end up being dead wrong
i just think that most guys who are picked in the top two rounds had game plans designed to stop them as they went through the end of their college career.
by 325424 on Aug 22, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
many coaches strickly refused to even punt to this kid....prefering to directionally punt it out of bounds....
I’ve seen many of his games, and it was clear De Jax was simply the best player on the field….he is in the mold or Marvin Harrison…..and with the talent in the NFL…….there is no way De Jax will be double teamed without affecting defensive schemes…he’ll be playing the slot….and if you think Wes Welker is good at getting open in zones……..this kid’s much better and much faster….i’m saddened that philly still got him in the second……as I know they would have taken him in the first as well, if they didn’t trade out……….he was completely under valued , I consider him one the best steals of the draft…….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 22, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's the guy I wanted them to get too Boyz.
I really hated seeing the Eagles pick him up. Jackson is a Jerry Rice protoge.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep jerry talks about him all the time..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Rice touts a guy.....you better listen to the best of all time...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 20, 2008 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you all remember me
Screaming at the top of my lungs for Jackson pre-draft.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 22, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...Glory was in camp De Jax......He was this years Terry Glenn....
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 22, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reason they don't Deke is because
those positions have very high bust ratios and to me, thats a very smart move. Kudos to Jerry.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well Terry, if those positions are very high bust ratio
no higher than any other position BTW, and I’m not talking about first round players, then jerry might as well not draft players if you go in with that kind of thnking. A fourth round backup Qb to develop or a second or third round receiver is not a reach and no more of a bust factor ratio than any other round.
Two second round tightends selected in four years, yet this organization can bring itself to draft a receiever when T.O and Glenn were entering their mid thirties…
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas
defintely could have drafted some WR’s in the earlier rounds..
Skyler Green? KR? Stanback- ex-qb?
2002 was the last time we took one in the 1st 3 rounds, when took Antonio Bryant. He was good, just a head case.
cowboy draft history..
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez
2006 and 2004 were some bummer drafts.
2003 and 2005 were great.
Jury’s out on ‘07. Maybe there’s an every-other-year trend going on.
That would make ’08 another great one.
But ’09 will have to buck the trend.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
got to be right more then wrong..
That is what it takes.. Every team misses..
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey if the talent isn't there, why reach?
I think it would be stupid just to draft a certain position for need, gotta take the best player on your board.
If you start targeting certain positions, you’ll end up with a draft like we had in 2000 drafting Goodrich and Edwards cause we needed corners.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 19, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Edwards was okay.
Kareem Lattimore sucked it up though. Worst draft ever in 2000.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR Bust Ratio?
When was the last time we spent a 1st or 2nd on a WR?
Also, given our runs with David LaFleur, Anthony Fasano and now, Martellus Bustett, we’re 1 for 4 in terms of getting a valuable TE in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds. How is that any worse than taking a flyer on a WR?
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnett isn't a bust yet
and I guess you’re forgetting about Witten who is the best TE in the game.
Take a look at the very best WRs and only a few are 1st and 2nd rounders, most are 3rd rd and beyond. Half of your 1st and 2nd rd WRs bust and thats a fact.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 20, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean Bennett and not Burnett
Its just terry, this organization has selected five tightends in the first three rounds since 1995. but the last Receiver the cowboys selected in the first three rounds was Antonio Bryant, a guy that had red flags all over the place. The cowboys selected Lafleur in the first round, again another player that had a history of back problems coming into the draft. I wanted to trade up in that draft and get Tony Gonzalas,
No one is arguing the Witten pick, I thought for sure Indy would take him since he played at tennessee, and Payton Maning came from there, but they took Dallas Clark. I was ecstatic Witten was still there in the third round…
It just makes no sense that this team never selects a receiver in the first three rounds in 13 years except Antonio bryant and Stepfret Williams, but they have no problem drafting five tightends. Wasn’t the last first round receiver selected by the cowboys, kevin williams in 1993, so in the first three rounds since 1995, Dallas has selected two receivers and five tightends and you wonder why this organization never develops a top receiver….
by Deke on Aug 20, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its just how the board plays out sometimes
Obviously we didn’t have WRs rated as high on our board and I don’t have problem with that, especially when we have been able to sign some UFA who are very promising, a productive 7th rounder and a 4th rounder who could be very special.
Most of the good WRs in the league are not high draft picks so I’m not sure drafting one high necessarily means you’re getting a good one anyway.
BTW, yes I meant Bennett, not Burnett.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 20, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm.. 1st and 2nd WR's basically make up the top 5 in the league
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Marvin Harrison
Andre Johnson
B. Edwards
L. Fitzgerald
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by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, these guys are just as good
T.O
Steve Smith
Marcus Colston
TJ Housmahzadeh
Hines ward
all of which are 3rd rounders or lower. BTW, no way is Harrison considered to be a top 5 receiver anymore, used to be, but not now.
Also, for every top WR you can name that were 1st rounders I can name you 3 that were total busts.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 20, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goes both ways
I can name 5 bust in comparsion to your list of 3rd round or lower..
The thing is Dallas hasn’t’ drafted a WR in the 1st 3 rounds in 6 years that is way too long.. 3rd round picks are the Steve smith, TO’s, and Chad Johnson of the league..
I am sorry, but WR’s on my list are better then the WR’s on your list.
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by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, but
those guys were all drafted rather high in their respective rounds. Still, there is a whole slew of guys drafted around that spots that are lame ducks.
In ’01 before Wayne was drafted were Freddie Mitchell, Rod Gardner, Koren Robinson, David Terrell, and Santana Moss. Only Moss is still playing.
In Moss’ year Kevin Dyson and Marcus Nash were the only other 1st round WRs.
Braylon’s year had Matt Jones, Marc Clayton, Mike Williams, and Roddy White in the 1st.
Fitz’s year had Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Lee Evans and Michael Jenkins
Andre Johnson’s year only had Bryant Johnson in the 1st
As you can see, for 1st round WRs, the bust ratio is HIGHER than 50%!
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drafting is not an exact science.
I think that is Deke’s point, you need to draft them frequently, because there will be bust. WR isn’t the only position, that is just how the draft works.
You can’t draft WR only from a position of need.
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by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
Don’t follow the Matt Millen drafting method?
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by APerfectStar on Aug 20, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
four first round receivers in a row--horrible GM
I thank matt Millen every time Demarcus Ware makes a play, because if it wasn’t for Matt Millen drafting that spare Mike Williams, who had BUST written all over him even if he didn’t miss a year of college ahead of dallas, who knows what would of happened….. jerry probably would of taken Mike Williams with the eleventh pick
by Deke on Aug 20, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say every 1st round pick
but. You don’t think Romo would be good for 4000 yds and 30+ TD’s every year with Calvin and Roy..
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll be good for that regardless
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 21, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
I think if there is one guy that the HC, OC, and Jerry love and think can be the next Irvin/TO, then you take the chance.
WR is such a glamorous position, especially in Dallas. Look how much crap Bennett gets and he plays 3rd TE! Imagine if they would’ve drafted somebody like Michael Westbrook. All that heat that would’ve caused makes me think that Jerry plays it safe by drafting defense.
He splurged this year with Felix, but you gotta do that sometimes. Just like he did with Alvin Harper, the team was in position back then to splurge on a weapon and he sure helped out.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly the point I was making
Chances of hitting on seventh round and undrafted free agents as a number one receiver on your team is pretty small, probaly less than 1%
I have never been high on drafting first round receivers unless they’re sure picks, Roy Williams Boldin, fitzgerald, Bowe, etc. but there is no reason why this organization hasn’t spent some second and third round picks on receivers to develop in the last five years…
I liked desean Jackson coming out this year. Everyone was worried about his weight, but with his speed and a year in the strngth and conditioning program, there wouldn’t be any problem. Allan Ball gained 12 pounds in a year in the our conditioning program. I watched Desean Jackson in the two preseason games with Philly and he’s looked good.
by Deke on Aug 20, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love for Desean
He reminded me of Terry Glenn. Had that speed we needed out there to replace Glenn. Very hard worker and competitor too.
Bowe was a great pick for KC. That’s what you want in a #1.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you failed to mention most of those WR's listed were or should have been top 10 picks....
situation gets a whole lot different picking 22 or later…..
that being said….IF there is a way to get Crabtree ot Maclin next season, by trading up with our 1st and a 3rd, i’m all for it…….or stand pat and get a guy like Robiskie and a few other highly rated WR’s at #32……we’ll have to see how this crop of college guys pan out this year……..
I personally was completely AGAINST drafting a WR in this past draft, UNLESS DeSean Jackson slipped to #28 or later…..with the only other receiver I liked being Will Franklin, who I knew would be available to us in the 3rd…..neither guy ended up here, so I am not upset at all for not taking a WR this year…….I happened to LOVE the Bennett pick, as I felt he poccessed the best combination of athletic receiving skills, to go along with powerful blocking ability…..like MOST draft sites, I had him rated as the best TE available………for people to be down on this kid cuz HBO wanted to portray him in a negative light….so be it….I believe he’s going to be a star and integral part of our offense for many years to come, as Garrett is a huge proponent to a two TE set…..as I’m quite partial to it as well….With out stable of RB’s…..having 7 blockers on the line of scrimmage is going to be so overwelming for opposing defenses…….sweep left, toss right, up the gut……If our running game doesn’t go over the 2,000 mark I’ll be amazed….TE screens, WR screens, RB screens, check downs left and right….two top notch TE’s is the way to go …Bennett is and will be far and away better than Fasano…..just relax and stop reading too much into the “made for TV” mularky…..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 20, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can all agree that
The cowboys had some opportunities to draft a potential #1 WR in the second round by trading up..
I had my eye on Desean Jackson and James Hardy. Had interest in Wil Franklin an Donnie Avery(great college season, ultra quick, and fast)..
I would love to see more targets for our current young guys during the season.. I want to see what we have..
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by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have 2 potential #1 WRs
already on the roster.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 21, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think..
We are fine at WR, I really don’t want to tie up 30-40 millin dollars in WR’s. It has proven time and time again, that having 2 #1 WR’s is not the reciepe for Super Bowl Championships..
TO better WR then Plaxico, Crayton very similiar to A. Toomer, and Witten is much better then Boss..
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by Wmillion on Aug 21, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Terry
I didn’t forget about Witten. He is the 1 in the 1 out of 4 I mentioned.
My point was that taking TE’s in the first three rounds doesn’t seem to be any more safe than WR’s. You mentioned that half of the 1st and 2nd round WR’s are busts (50% failure rate), but Dallas’ TE draft performance is worse than that.
Thoughts?
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 21, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaFluer was the only TE
we picked in the 1st rd, the others were 2nd and 3rd picks. I really don’t mind taking a receiver in the 2nd rd if the talent and value is there, but in the last few drafts, they weren’t.
The one guy who I wanted in 2007 was Dwayne Bowe who I think will be a stud, but we decided to make the trade with Cleveland. This season the receivers available just didn’t do anything for me and obviously the Cowboys felt the same way.
The fact is at least 60-70% of 1st rd WRs are busts and thats just too risky for the 1st rd. It seems great TEs fall in the 2nd to 4th rd areas.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 21, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Terry
I didn’t forget about Witten. He is the 1 in the 1 out of 4 I mentioned.
My point was that taking TE’s in the first three rounds doesn’t seem to be any more safe than WR’s. You mentioned that half of the 1st and 2nd round WR’s are busts (50% failure rate), but Dallas’ TE draft performance is worse than that.
Thoughts?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 21, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BPA
I love the drafting of Choice – as you mentioned a luxury pick, but looks ready to go if we needed him for any reason and his ST contributions could be a plus as well. how much better is it to have a good player at this position then some crappy OL project that’s not going to work out anyway? this was a best player available type selection and if we can do that consistently we’ll be competing at a high level regularly.
by Scoobay on Aug 19, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Choice is no luxury pick, we needed a solid backup for MB3. El Gato is complimentary and everyone that was on his bandwagon before the draft, I say you were dead on.
Choice was a great pick, almost as big a steal as Scandrick.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 19, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Choice was a very good pick. I like his burst into the whole and I like the depth we now have at the running back position. Although young and inexperienced, choice has more talent, than say a tyson thompson.
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry got it right this year...
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has alot to do more with the scouting department than Jerry
by Deke on Aug 19, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you saying?
So every teams scout team is the one who deserves credit not the GM? Or just Jerry?
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by Wmillion on Aug 19, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
how a Tyson Thompson, with world class speed, can look so slow on the field and how a guy like Choice, who didn’t tear up the Combine, can look so much faster just because of HOW he runs.
Measurables mean nothing!
Maybe we should have applied that logic to the draft when we saw Martellus Bustett sitting there.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 21, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I like about Scandrick?
After hurting himself by trying to destroy SD QB Whitehurst, he comes back the next week against Denver and blasts their WR to preserve a TD.
He’s got confidence and a short memory—necessary traits in a corner.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
OL projects are boring. I’d rather draft skill positions and defense in the first 5 rounds and try to develop the OL with 6ths, 7ths, rookie FAs and veteran FAs.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
How many Rookie FA’s are Pro Bowl Left Tackles?
The game is still won and lost in the trenches.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 22, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro Bowl Left Tackles?
Why must you choose the most important position on the line for a team w/ a right handed QB just to disqualify my point? Isn’t Flo still here? Didn’t he just sign a new contract this season? Why spend a 1st round pick on a LT when he is nowhere near retirement and is pretty much assured of finishing his career in Dallas?
Obviously, the only spots in question for the next few years are LG and RT (if we lose Colombo). Anybody else brought in here would be as a backup.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a fan of drafting 2nd day linemen..........
cuz when you do…you end up with 2nd string depth that looks like Marten, Free, Maquistan, Berger, and Proctor…..none of which i see making an impact in the NFL…….If we don’t draft an Offensive Lineman on the first day of next years draft, I’d be extremely disappointed. Cuz if none of our current 2nd stringers can’t beat out Kosier…..it makes it quite appearant the quality of o line depth is inadequate……
Flo 2nd rounder, Andre 2nd rounder, Bigg 1st rounder, Columbo 1st rounder……You see a pattern there ???
I repeat…..Next years O line class is one of the strongest in many years…..the fact 8 O linemen were taken in this past years 1st round..should be an indication of where the best linemen are found……….We can not afford to take on any more “projects”
sexy pick or not…..O Line should be our main focus early in next years draft…….
the only spots in question for the next few years are LG and RT (if we lose Colombo). Anybody else brought in here would be as a backup.
I know of at least 6 linemen we can draft next year that would come right in and start….day 1…….at either RT or LG positions…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 22, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
while lots of good interior linemen are found on the second day, i went back and saw that none of the pro bowl tackles of the last several years were drafted after the middle of the second round. i think two (maybe the chargers guy out of auburn and one other) were picked around #16 in the second round.
i think that its best to focus on positions where success is most determined by tangibles (size, speed, athleticism) in the 1st two rounds and positions where intangibles (heart, fight, feel for the game) in the later rounds.
1/2nd rd go for LT’s, CB’s, DE/OLB’s and find LB’s, WR’s, RB’s, QB’s in the later round.
by 325424 on Aug 22, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free will be the cowboys left tackle for years
He was a steal in the fourth round
by Deke on Aug 22, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got me
I’m just saying where are we gonna fit that guy that we draft in the 1st or 2nd? Are you trying to tell me had Dallas drafted a quality starting OL that the dude is just gonna sit the bench?
I guess the good think about OL is that they can learn other positions to challenge the weakest link. But if I’m drafting to develop guys behind my already outstanding starting line, I’m gonna develop them from the 3rd round and below because next year there will be other holes.
Buuuuuuuuut, if 09 proves to show heavy (pun intended) at the OL position, I’m all about going for the strength of the draft. I’m really not that familiar with college players except some in the Pac-10, cuz I only watch Oregon games.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 22, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep an eye on
Duke Robinson 6-5 330, an OG from Oklahoma. He might be gone by the Dallas pick, but if he’s still there, he’d fit in nicely as Kosier’s replacement.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 23, 2008 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke
Now that’s a Cowboy name.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 23, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 totally agree....
He is a beast…and he certainly is one of the Linemen I’ll be tracking this season……he’d be a perfect pick to throw between Flo and Gorude….excellent road grader rush blocker….very athletic and nimble for his size…..reminds me of Bigg Davis…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 23, 2008 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just on the limited play
I give both RB’s and both CB’s an A (especially Felix A+++)
I’d give Bennett a C-
Walden an incomplete, hopefully he makes some standout plays now that Rogers is down.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 19, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bennett
If most people are giving him a F in TC and now he’s a C, imagine what he’ll be in a year or two. Just give him some time. He’s a rookie. He’s improving every week with football skills and professional skills. I’m not saying ignore his antics but don’t dismiss him instantly. He has an incredible upside and if it takes a year to get that out of him then it’s still probably worth it.
Sure he probably cares more about himself than the team at times but what skill player/receiver doesn’t? I love Witten and TO but you don’t think TO started out this way a little bit. Bennett has kind of gotten screwed on HBO because they’re showcasing some things no one would ever see. Are they going to be their in Week 11 when he finally gets it? No.
I’m not saying Bennett is the next Witten or TO but I’m not denying it either.
by carsondude on Aug 20, 2008 2:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great outlook.
Hopefully tonight on Hard Knocks, they’ll ease up on him a bit—show him breaking some tackles, show him listening to his coach.
Garrett wants an athletic TE and Jerry went out and got him one. Still, with Hannah’s improvement, I think there’s a good chance of them keeping 4 TEs while Bennett develops. I don’t see them keeping 2 FBs. TEs are useful to this offense and can be used on ST (like Curtis is) or from the H-back position to give Cricket a breather.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also believe they'll keep 4 TE's in this roster, with Cricket the lone FB..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 20, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Hannah offers more versatility (with ST, goalline situations, depth) than Cruz or Crosslin.
Garrett looks to be more TE oriented this year and you gotta keep the best 53.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Plus we should have NO problem sticking either Cruz or Crosslin on the PS just in case.
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 22, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if Cruz could qualify for the PS
I might be wrong, but he played in some games for KC.
I read that Owen Schmitt is struggling in SEA, if they have to cut him, I’d hope Dallas picks him up. Probably just wishful thinking.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 23, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR
Felix and Choice are A’s. Scandrick will be a good one because he has the skills, and Jenkins will be a contributor this year. The entire draft, however, was, in my opinion, not a good one simply because we need a young wide receiver of the highest caliber to develop over the next couple of years. I liked Limas Sweed or Hardy instead of Bennett, but several others would have justified the pick. While you can’t be 100% on picks at any position, if you draft a highly rated receiver from a big school, you have a player who has excelled at the highest level in college and your chances of a successful pick increase dramatically. While Felix will be a good running back for us, running backs of similar talent can be obtained much later in the draft. Jamaal Charles will be as good as Felix. and was better in college. Choice isn’t too far behind Felix, and look at where we got him. If he hadn’t been a Razorback, we wouldn’t have taken FJ where we did. One other thing—we had a national championship college football team here in Texas. We don’t have a single player from that UT team, yet all around the league you see guys from our home state and team that are starring for other NFL squads. I would have drafted at least one. In fact, I would earmark players from NCAA championship teams because they have been a part of a team that won the ultimate collegiate battle, and I would like to bring that attitude and experience to my NFL team. Roy Williams is one of those players. Sorry for going a little astray in this post, but when the draft comes up, I get worried due to the track record of our make-believe GM.
by rrb on Aug 20, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's put it this way....IF Felix Jones played for any other high profile school....
like the Oklahoma States’, Kansas’, LSU’s, Tennessee’s, etc (teams that recruited him)……We wouldn’t of had a shot at getting him at #22….cuz he more than likely would have rushed for over 2,000 yards, won the Heisman and been picked in the top 10…….so count your lucky stars he went to Arkansas and had to play in the shadow of over hyped McFadden, and an insecure Houston Nutt…….to say we should have used our #22 on Sweed or Hardy , and took a chance on getting a back later in the draft is the same garbage that was being tossed around here before the draft………..yet every other team in the NFL also didn’t feel those WR’s were worthy of 1st round consideration……I can’t question J Charles ability, cuz he would have been my second RB if we didn’t go RB in round one…..but you can’t say “after the fact” we could’ve picked him up later in the draft when most had him going late 1st, early 2nd….and Choice being a late second, early third projection………
Felix Jones is going to make you eat your words, and more than likely you’ll be wearing his jersey by years end………And to think we should draft a player from Texas just because they are in Texas is just makes no sense…..IF you are thinking Jerry drafted Felix Jones just because he went to Arkansas is also outlandish…..considering it’s the only Arkansas Razorback he’s drafted in 20 years of owning the team……..???
make believe GM ?? ..If Jerry Jones isn’t voted “NFL Executive of the Year”, there is something seriously wrong with the voting comittee…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 20, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thank the browns for having a decent season..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 20, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm gonna reach for Felix myself on Saturday against my ohter Cowboys buddies.
It’s not a reach if he contributes in several areas, especially in Franchise leagues that offer return yardage points.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
Only because Felix will be a complementary player to Barber and a #2 WR (not sure if Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Sweed or Hardy is one or not) would be an every down player next year. Even so, what if we had passed on Jenkins, taken a WR at #25 and then scooped up a Tracy Porter, Terrence Wheatley or Patric Lee later on? Hard to do that when CB was the biggest weakness last year and the Adam Jones thing was still not done in April.
Hindsight is 20/20, but let’s face it, we STILL don’t have anyone to take the pressure off of T.O. in 3rd and long situations.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 21, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why you or I should care what every other team thought of the WR crop
The fact is that Stanback, Hurd and Austin are not the answer and it was a need that JERRY stated was high on his list going into the draft and Free Agency, yet went unaddressed in the off-season.
Oh BTW, that was ‘rookie’ Eddie royal toasting us last Saturday.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 21, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really wondering how you'd come to that conclusion ??
The fact is that Stanback, Hurd and Austin are not the answer
It’s a fact ..huh ?
I’d understand if you waited till after this season played out, and all these guys were actually given a shot to show their improvement, before deciding that they have no future in this league….and then to insinuate that any of this years crop of receivers will actually out performed our current group is purely speculation on your part….You never “reach” for a player, even at a position of supposed need, Bobby Carpenter, case in point………To think we needed a WR more so than a top rated CB, makes me wonder if you were involved with viewing last years games or abreast to last years true weakness, which was obviously the lack of quality depth in the secondary, as our record breaking offense surely didn’t hinder our advancement in the playoffs……..granted…..If a top rated WR, that fit the mold of receiver we’re actually looking for presented itself in later rounds (3rd-4th) I would have welcomed it …..but there surely is no reason to be upset the issue wasn’t addressed, and to take shots at Jerry for a drafting job that was rated by every major publication as one of the best this year is simply unjust and sour grapes “hind sight”…….let these so called stud receivers get on the field and show something before you ordain them better than our current group of young, up and coming wideouts……..
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 21, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't say Stanback, Austin or Hurd
aren’t the answer until they get a chance to prove themselves.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 22, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not a "fact".
The only “fact” regarding the WR position is that is was not addressed in the draft. Dallas has other concerns. They’re trying to build a team of players, not superstar WRs.
And Jerry did not state that WR was a need. He stated a “WOW” player on offense was what they were looking for in the draft. That doesn’t necessarily mean a WR.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 22, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Eddie Royal?
Yeah, he sure looked good up against a press-corner (Jenkins) who had to play off because the coaching staff vanilla’d the whole game into a zone defense.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 22, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The depth at RB in this draft
Hurt almost everyone one of them except DMAC and maybe Stewart. Teams were in no big hurry to pick up the best RB on the board because there were plenty of good ones still left. So they all ended up sliding. Seems like it happens in almost every draft that has good depth at a particular position.
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 22, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now
BoyzRback, we’re both fans of the same team. If you like Jerry as a GM, that’s ok, but I have a different opinion, while we both have the same objective, and that is for the Cowboys to be the best that they can be. I don’t think that’s possible with Jerry as GM. You do. Parcells built this roster, not Jerry, and Jerry has made several mistakes in the two drafts he has managed without Parcells. However, that’s just my opinion. TIme will tell. I never said that Felix wouldn’t be good. I agree with you that he will be good. The point I was trying to make is that we could have picked up a running back as good in a later round and gotten our #1 choice of wide receiver. With respect to the national champion Longhorn team, I am glad we have Roy Williams. I wish we had a player from the Florida and LSU teams that won the last couple of championships. Rather than taking an obscure player from a lower level team, I would look for one from one of those teams if their draft ranking is close enough to justify the pick. I think the culture of winning championships is a good influence on any team, and players from teams that have done it are often good to have on your roster, although there are obviously exceptions. Time will tell on Jerry, but although he may get credit on this board, most of the people around the country credit Parcells for turning the Cowboys around. I was a staunch supporter of Jerry as a GM until he proved me wrong consistently for many years. Eric Casillias on ESPN radio today was talking about his son, whom he took to college last weekend. As Eric stated, the last time the Cowboys won a playoff game, his son was in kindergarten. From first grade through high school graduation, his son never saw the Cowboys win a playoff game. The only constant through that period is the GM. If it had been anyone other than the owner, the owner would have fired him several times. I hope he proves me and the other doubters to be wrong. I’ll be surprised.
by rrb on Aug 20, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is a good GM because he gets done what his business-mind says to get done.
He doesn’t let ego get in the way anymore. He’s grown from that and hiring Parcells as HC is proof of that. I also think that his business savvy figured he could learn how to be a better GM from Parcells, while using the Tuna to improve his team. People seem to want to split Jerry and Bill, but I think they are two grown men who have a keen understanding of football. Jerry taught Bill the intracacies of running a team (like he’s doing in Miami) and Bill taught Jerry everything he knows about building team talent.
If anything came out of Parcells being in Dallas, it opened Jerry’s mind up to considering that each of his staff members specialize in their assignments. From that, he will continue to micromanage his staff, while still satisfying his desire to find high risk/ high reward players.
Those days of being a shotty GM are over for Jerry. He knows it; therefore, so should the fans.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem
First, I like Jerry as an owner. I wouldn’t want anyone else, because Jerry is the best. The main problem is not Jerry or his ability as a GM. It’s the organizational hierarchy/arrangement. Jerry as GM doesn’t answer to anyone. This is a failed situation and will continue to fail, not because Jerry isn’t smart, but because there is no career-threatening recourse for his decisions. The good GM’s in this business have been in football their entire lives, as a scout or assistant coach. Jerry spent his formative years in the oil business, not football, so he doesn’t have that foundation that other GM’s built over decades in football. Other GM’s are not distracted by building new stadiums, managing the NFL Network, and attending owner’s meetings. Real GM’s concentrate solely on management of the roster, because their professional lives depend on it. You would think that twelve years of no playoff wins would tip Jerry off to the problem, but it hasn’t. While Parcells/Ireland have built a strong Cowboys roster, I don’t expect it to continue to be built if JJ insists on being a GM while building a new stadium. I would prefer a guy with his job on the line if his picks don’t work out. ESPN radio’s Collin Cowherd this week mentioned that Jerry was asking Wade’s opinion about a player and then proceeded to give Wade his opinion of the player’s ability. Honestly, if you don’t think that’s funny, I don’t understand. Wade’s knowledge of football is infinitely greater, like a thimble of water compared to the ocean, compared to Jerry’s. I couldn’t care less what Jerry’s opinion of a player is. Let a real football man tell me. I like Jerry, but not as a GM.
by rrb on Aug 29, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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