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Dallas Cowboys "breaking camp" notes

All the press reports on Miles Austin say 4-6 weeks on his sprained MCL. That’s a drag, but I’m holding out hope for more like 2-3 weeks.  False hope maybe, but until I hear it from Wade Phillips or Miles Austin, I’ll hold out hope. Meantime, the door is open for Isaiah Stanback, Danny Amendola or one of the other receivers to make their move. Bobby Carpenter didn't grab his opportunity against the Broncos with Kevin Burnett out, he turned in a very mediocre performance. He needs to be better than he was on Saturday if he wants to convince the Cowboys coaches that he deserves to play. Don’t waste your good preseason now, Captain Caveman.

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The Cowboys are tired after training camp and glad to be going home. 

"I feel like I’ve been on tour with a rock band. I feel like I’ve been on tour with a famous singer," Cowboys defensive tackle Tank Johnson said. "I’m ready to get home, get back to my bed and kinda get into a routine of the season. This hasn’t been easy. Playing, traveling, unnecessary traveling, but this is how it goes."

Could that be part of the reason for poor play on Saturday? Probably not, but the Cowboys recognize they can’t play as sloppy as they’ve been doing in the regular season.

"Mistakes and penalties," Cowboys defensive lineman Jay Ratliff said after the Cowboys’ 23-13 loss in Denver. "We are beating ourselves. The main thing is to not hurt yourself. I don’t think it’s a lack of concentration, but we need to be aware of what we’re doing. We need to eliminate mental errors and stupid penalties."

Leave it to Crayton to say the true, but inappropriate thing.

"I think [lead official] Mr. [Ed] Hochuli likes to get himself on TV a little bit. I know he likes to work out, but c’mon, Mr. Hochuli," Crayton said. "We don’t gotta see that much of you."

No need to rile up the refs this early, Crayton.

Coverage of the game from a Denver perspective. That Eddie Royal was something. 

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What a bummer

Miles’ improvement was a great thing to look forward to this season.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 18, 2008 5:40 AM CDT reply actions  

extreme co-sign

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by silverblue5 on Aug 18, 2008 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton's Quote

Maybe it’ll lead Goodell to look into random drug testing for refs. I still say Hochuli’s on da juice… heh-heh :~)

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by silverblue5 on Aug 18, 2008 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

well steroids are known to affect perception and judgment!

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton cracks me up.

I know his comments tick people off, but people still keep asking him questions.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miles speculation

PFW says 2-4 weeks. None of the press reports are actually citing any Cowboys sources. Spags and Archer seem to be the ones who started saying 4-6 weeks, as you linked to yesterday, and I think other outlets picked it up from them, but neither of them actually cited any source or gave any explanation to back it up. So I think they are just speculating based on typical recovery time. But there are MCL injuries that are only 2-3 weeks (QB knees take less stress then WR knees, but T. Jackson just had the same injury and the Vikes expect him back by the season opener). So at this point, until we actually get an MRI report and official estimate from the team, I think it is at least somewhat reasonable to still hope that it could be less, anywhere 2-6 weeks. It could end up being 4-6 once we hear about the MRI, but until then I don’t assume that is necessarily accurate. Of course we really won’t know until he actually plays again, but I will be more confident trusting the estimate based on an MRI than Spags and Archer just pulling numbers based on generic MCL injuries without actually knowing the severity of his.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 6:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry I meant Brian Davis

from the article you linked again above, but Archer reported the same thing later at DMN blog: “Generally speaking, […] MCL tears take 4-6 weeks to heal depending on the severity.” They’re all just speculating, and there are less severe MCL sprains. Hopefully we’ll hear an MRI report soon.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

4-6 weeks

That would mean that it is a Grade 2 sprain….

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by Mullin on Aug 18, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

If that’s the case 4-6 weeks no question about it.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

but that's the thing

none of these sources are saying they know it is a grade 2 sprain. they are just saying it’s a sprained MCL, so it must be 4-6 weeks. then we hear 4-6 weeks, and say it must be grade 2. but they aren’t basing that on the MRI or stress test, at least not anything else that they cite specifically. they’re just guessing.

Nick Eatman actually goes into a bit more detail on the thought process, noting that Jerry says it will be shorter, but they’re assuming longer, but then again Austin is healthy so it might be shorter…

Austin suffered an MCL sprain that will likely keep him out of action for at least four weeks, maybe longer.
 
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said after the game Saturday that he hoped Austin could be ready in time for the Sept. 9 opener against Cleveland.
 
Sounds like that is more of an optimistic reach, but not too realistic.
 
Generally, MCL sprains are 4-6 week injuries with the biggest part of the rehab trying to get the players back in football shape.
 
Now, that might be easier for Austin than others, considering he’s one of the team’s most impressive athletes.
[…]
"I really like what Miles Austin gives us at receiver," Jerry Jones said after the game. "His injury might set him back a couple of weeks, or maybe a little bit longer. As young as he is, and strong as he is, he could be back soon. It’s just a sprained MCL."

So Jerry is saying 2-3 weeks basically, indicating a Grade I sprain, everyone else is assuming a Grade 2 sprain by saying 4-6 weeks, but no one is actually saying they know what grade it is based on anything other than speculation. So that’s my point, maybe it is a grade 2, but we don’t know that for sure until we get official report from the team on the MRI.

Here’s one description from About.com:

Grade I MCL Tear
This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.

Grade II MCL Tear
Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.

Grade III MCL Tear
A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind them keeping him out until after the Cleveland game.

He needs to be around for the last half of the season. It’s just a shame it happened on ST. He’s getting to be valuable enough to take him off coverage units. Now that he is hurt, they should reconsider Hurd being on those units, too.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade Says 4-6 weeks

in his presser going on now. okay, so now we at least have it directly from the team. No details yet, but at least it’s from an official source.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always add 2 weeks

so if there saying 4 weeks make it 6. We won’t see him until the end of October.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

my money says

He is ready by sept 21st at GB, he likes playing GB.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way not until October

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

end of Oct would be 10 weeks

he’ll be back by Sept easily.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously

I am not looking at him, but he would “open” a little when performing a valgus stress test to test the integrity of the MCL

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by Mullin on Aug 18, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Preseason records

FWIW

1989
Preseason 3-1
Regular 1-15

1990
1-3
7-9

1991
2-2
11-5

1992
2-3
13-3 (W SB)

1993
1-3-1
12-4 (W SB)

1994
2-3
12-4

1995
2-3
12-4 (W SB)

1996
2-3
10-6

Very little correlation between preseason and regular season, but I’ll still feel better if we can go 2-2.

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 7:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I would be happy

If we win the next one, since the starters play until the 3rd quarter, and lose the finale..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

After the game against Cleveland

we will slowly start forgetting the preseason record. Don’t even know what last years was.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

we beatdown Cleveland

and everyone will forget.. Will Braylan play?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

For sure

This is from dawgsbynature from last week:

Edwards in Berea: After being stitched up a few days ago, Braylon Edwards was in Berea for a check-up. There didn’t seem to be any setbacks, so he was sent home to continue staying off of his foot. I’ll never question Edwards’ competitive nature, but just from a hypothetical thought, does him being out help the Browns in a way? His chemistry with Derek Anderson seemed too good to be lost in two weeks, he’s not risking any weird injury for a portion of camp, and other guys are getting a chance to step up.

The starting WR playing opposite Donte Stallworth is a game-time decision—probly Travis Wilson.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't get your hopes up regarding Carp

he is what he is and thats a 4-3 OLB who is completely out of place trying to play inside in a 3-4, just simply isn’t tough or physical enough.

Burnett, please heal up quickly.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey Terry keep up those negative post on Carp

I love it. One mediocre game and your throwing him in the trash. You fail to realize the whole defense was mediocre, not just Carpenter Saturday night.

Burnett wouldn’t have faired any better the way the team was playing that night. The way you praise Burnett he might as well be Demarcus Ware. Burnett is a one dimensional. Good in pass coverage, average against the run and injury prone. Say bye-bye after this season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he does

He got blown off the ball in both those games and it was even mentioned in one of the Cowboys.com articles. Burnett stinks against the run that’s why he considered one dimensional and the one reason he won’t be around after the season.

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 20, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am with Terry

I just don’t think Bobby has it, at least not in a cowboy uniform.

I think Bobby well have a chance during the season to prove us wrong, I sure hope he does.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to feel the same way you guys do about Carp.

He’s no Kevin Greene. He’s no AJ Hawk. Too many maybes surrounding him. Getting tired of defending him just because I think it’d be cool for the Cowboys to have a long-haired blonde dude playing LB.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys are making one medicore showing

into a mountain of nothing. The WHOLE defense played that way, not just Carpenter. When I saw the replay he was in on a couple of nice tackles.

How soon people forget how well he has done in training camp and the first week in San Diego….lol

Let’s be concened about the starters, not backups because they didn’t look too good and that includes Ware, Ellis, James, Spears, Canty and Tank. Zack might have had the only decent performance out of the group.

When Zack and Bradie James play like crap I want to hear it from everyone. Not from a backup ILB in his second season at the position.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did he do well in San Diego? I thought he didn't

I think he does well in practice is because in training camp you are not as physical as in a game setting, and physicality is his main problem. He is a 4-3 OLBer. He is not a fit in this defense. You have to be pretty tough if your are a 3-4 ILBer.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 18, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bobby C

Looks like career back-up IMO. I just don’t see the upside, he will never be dominate, and that is what you expect from a #1 pick.. In a temporary starter role he would be servicable, but not special. He reminds me a lot of Ayodele.

If you are looking for him to be a star, you will be disappointed..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carp

He had a good camp, and I thought a good game vs SD, but then disappeared against DEN. He needs to be playing lights out ball all pre-season to show what he’s got. He’s entering his 3rd year and if he doesn’t turn the corner now, the Cowboys will have to look for an upgrade next spring. Which they might do anyway with all the talent at ILB due to come out in the 2009 draft.

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by APerfectStar on Aug 18, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carpenter is bigger, faster and more athletic than Ayodele ever was

Ayodele actually was a very good player for Jacksonville before coming to Dallas.

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know in a 4-3 scheme

Probably like Carp would be..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could be wrong here but Jacksonville played the 3-4

when Ayodele was there I believe

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

no they didn't

Jax has always been a 4-3 team

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade praises everyone

so whats your point?

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by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

one mediocre showing?

I got news for you Boyz, Carp has been mediocre since he’s been a Cowboy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 18, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

so is your boy Stanback

What a waste of a 4th round pick. The last thing we needed was a project WR. I’m willling to give the kid one more season. If he doesn’t show something we need to cut bait and draft a stud next year. Stanback may be talented, but they are a dime a dozen in the NFL. The player is going to have a hard time making the active game roster much like last season.

As far as Carpenter. He has been been moved around since day one. Has never had a chance to get comfortable. Now, starting his second season at the same position everyone is seeing that he can be a good LB. All he needed was to be stable at one spot to showcase his talent.

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 20, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stanback has shown more than Carp

considering he was a 4th rd project pick and Carp was a waste of a 1st rounder. Stanback is more than talented, I think the kid has the potential to be really special.

When he ends up becoming a star receiver for us someday, I’ll be sure to remind you how much of a wasted pick you thought he was.

BTW, Stanback will make the active roster every game because he’ll be our primary KO returner, count on it.

As for Carp, face the reality that he’s a 4-3 OLB playing out of position in a 3-4 defense. He’ll never make it here.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 20, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Preseason games and veteran teams

If the cowboys were a very young team, then I think its of some value that the club wins a game or twon preseason, but with this veteran team, i dont put any stock into whether they need to win these games. The starters are pretty much set in every position as is the 53 man roster.

Name the team that went 0-5 in preseason, then went 14-2 in the regular season and won the superbowl. As you can see the preseaosn win/loss record doesn’t carry any weight with me, I dont care what the score is in preseason games, its more about getting the young players and rookies reps. Teams dont gameplan or scheme, they are very vanilla on offense. And really, why would you want to show your offense to other teams in preseason.

Dallas looked like a team saturday night that was ready to end camp and head home. I’m sure this team will be alot better friday night against Houston. Its the thrid game of the preseason and thats where you get a real ideal of where the team is at. The starters will play into the third quarter, there will some game planning and you’ll see some scheming. The only issues for me with this team in preseaosn is getting the penalties under control and not sustaining anymore injuries. I’m not sold on brad Johnson and would still like to get a veteran legitimate number two receiver. One game doesn’t make a career for Ausiin Miles, especially when during the two practices against Denver, he was dropping plenty.

Most of the talk this preseason and training camp is whether we bring another quarterback to compete with Brad Johnson or whether we carry three QB’s on the roster, who the sixth receiver will be, I do think we carry six receivers, not five. Who will be the sixth corner, Oglesby or Ball, right now Ball is the odd man out. So its not a very interesting training camp which kind of shows on hard knocks. Just not alot of good story lines to follow except a rookie tightend with a poor attitude and a poor work ethic. Ofcource there’s always Patrick Crayton, who has the never ending problem of diarrhea of the mouth. Be very careful Crayton, Hochuli just might pound you into the ground.

by Deke on Aug 18, 2008 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

got my years mixed up

The colts went 0-5 in preseason, 12-4 in the regular season an lost in the AFC divisional game. The next year they went 1-3 in preseaosn 12-4 and won the superbowl. So you really cant judge a team from what it shows in preseason.

by Deke on Aug 18, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I am not worried with Franchise QB on Center and Newman returning for Game 1. I would like to see AJ run with the 1’s.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pac-rat needs reps, lots of reps

He doesn’t need to be with the first team. He’s been out of football for over a year and a half. He just needs as many game reps as he possibly can get.

by Deke on Aug 18, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

We can already see him improving just from Preseason Game 1 to Game 2.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not get better quality reps?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not the record, it's how the starters play

Bottom line: our defense, however “vanilla,” didn’t play well. Our offense didn’t play well for the two series the starters were in the game. There’s a huge sample size problem…how many times last year did our offense start out 0-3 but then get hot and light it up?

But I also get why fans are a tad nervous. We went 13-3 last year, but for the last month we played like a 10-6 team. We missed a lot of tackles (think the Toomer TD, think the Lions running game), we took penalties that killed or extending drives (we lost the penalty battle 11-3 to the Giants) and we we poor in kick coverage (we gave the Giants a short field twice on a 45yd KO return and a 25yd punt return).

In the short time we’ve seen the starters, we’ve seen ALL of those problems…and we’ve seen them in spades. It’s the sloppy play in these three areas that costs you against upper echelon competition, and we have shown few signs of eliminating it.

by TimSchultz36 on Aug 18, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

it's time

3rd pre-season game we should be able to bring together a lot of the positives from the previous two games.

We need the 1st team O and D to play like game one, and the ST to play like game 2..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN First Take

Went off on us today with their usual daily Cowboys talk. Skip said Hard Knocks is a distraction. The short and quick of it is they said we are not looking good through 2 pre-season games and should be worried.

I’m not surprised one bit because Skip loves to take a shot whenever he can at us.

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes sir

I like Watching skip in the morning he helps me wake up, he so off base..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate Skip

He’s such a piece of skip.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

ROTFLMAO!!!

Skip Happens!

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by silverblue5 on Aug 18, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's right

and by the way, I don’t think we can really attribute the sloppiness to the “soft” Wade. The “hard” Parcells had teams that lost games on special teams (Seattle, Washington), and were highly penalized.

by TimSchultz36 on Aug 18, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Miami and SF looked great in last pre-season game

Not jumping on those bandwagon’s..

Our job is to knock the game rust off and limit the injuries..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Their backups are just as good as their starters in many positions.

When your talent level plateaus between the first and third team guys, you should have a good preseason.

But, SF really made Aaron Rodgers look like skip.

That #38 sure should wrap up!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 18, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton was joking around

it was pretty obvious to me atleast.

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by Longhorn on Aug 18, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Crayton

Crayton being Crayton!! :)

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 18, 2008 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

From dallascowboys.com blog
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said after the game Saturday that he hoped Austin could be ready in time for the Sept. 9 opener against Cleveland.

http://www.truebluefanclub.com/blogs/writers_block.cfm?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog3a6f720d98-095f-4c2b-9bbb-88639ea813cbPost3ae1e4f633-6598-4246-8821-2647b680f0d4&sid=sitelife.truebluefanclub.com

I think a lot of these writer are just pulling numbers out of you know where. If it is a grade one sprain there is no reason he shouldn’t be ready in three weeks for the opener.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 18, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

MRI needs to hur-E..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

we played sloppy but...

i thought aj did some good things, he was all over and was making alot of tackles…so…i feel once their rested and back at it things will straighten out….

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Aug 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Fatigue

Ellis actually said on the sideline during an in-game interview that while he wasn’t happy with the way the team played, part of it was road fatigue. These guys haven’t been home in awhile. It’s way too early to use fatigue as an excuse, but between that and the vanilla defense, I’m feeling better about the defensive performance. I thought the offense looked ok considering they were playing with one arm tied behind their back, playcalling-wise.

Preseason record means nothing, but how the team plays means something. The big glaring problems from game 1 were addressed…ST looked better, BJ looked a lot better, and Austin really showed me something pre-injury. If those backslide in game 3, I’ll be a little more concerned.

Other bright spot from the game: Pacman looks like a legit burner on punt returns. He will return one for a TD this season, guaranteed.

by grapejoos on Aug 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Just a glimpse of Pac returning punts was enough to get me excited, plus I thought he looked great in coverage (of course he was facing Ramsey at QB, and apparently he stinks)

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 18, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton

Whether Crayton’s comments were made in jest or not, this really bothers me on several different levels.

• Crayton has not earned the right to run his mouth in this league. He is an average player whose mouth writes checks on a regular basis that his performance can’t cash.

• He should feel humiliated from his extremely poor performance in the playoffs last season, and look to make amends with his play, not his mouth. He should be embarrassed, not looking to draw attention to himself off the field.

• For a significant % of fans that follow the NFL, Crayton’s bonehead comments reflect poorly on the Cowboys organization. I understand some (or perhaps most) bloggers on this site just laugh it off and take it in stride. However, for a good number of people, is does reflect poorly on the Cowboys and I really don’t like that.

• There is no way this helps the Cowboys standing with the officials. Yes, the officials are professionals but they are also human. Why potentially invoke their wrath for no reason whatsoever? It was a meaningless preseason game.

And the two most important reasons:

• I’m simply tired of this team not playing up to their potential and I don’t want to hear any more excuses for poor performance. This crap has been going on since early December. Poor execution, penalties….all followed up by excuses. Time to shut up and play to your talent level.

• Crayton running his mouth is directly related to a leadership void on this team. The coaching staff and the veteran star players should have sat on Crayton a long, long time ago. I believe a lack of leadership was a big part of folding down the stretch last season, and from the early returns this season, it is more of the same. The most talented collection of players doesn’t win – the best team does. Maybe that void can be filled by Zach Thomas? I know one thing: when a team lacks leadership and gets off to a bad start, the downward spiral can be swift. Count me among those who are very concerned at this point.

by Cowboy Louie on Aug 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Crayton's comments are harmless

The guy has a funny personality…let it go. He played badly in one game last year, and people want him to do penance and keep his answers “Kremlin approved” for the whole season?

Fans make way, way too big of a deal with the “connection” between what guys say in interviews and how they perform on the field. Some guys offer cliches and opposing team compliments, and play great. Some are cliched and play badly. Some talky guys play great, some play badly. I don’t think there’s a connection.

by TimSchultz36 on Aug 18, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patrick "Diarrhea mouth" Crayton, needs to shut his Trap

He needs ot concentrate on his game, because if his game was half as good as his diarrhea mouth, he might actually be something other than one step ahead of being a spare.

by Deke on Aug 18, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton is something

Dependable.. Who cares if he talks a little crap. What is wrong with speaking the truth?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton has a productive contributor

and will be again this year. I don’t care what he says, I care what he does, and he’s a good, reliable #3 behind T.O. and Witten. I think Tony would tell you he’s far from being a spare!

by scottmaui on Aug 18, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 18, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

I could do without some of the trash talk, but he’s a solid #2, top #3 WR. Not even close to being a “spare”.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 18, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think its funny

especially when we lose the game, no wonder the refs watch us with eagle eyes, & throw a flag on every little thing they see, that mouth will only give them a sharper eye. trash talking gets you nowhere!
look at the French swimmer talkn bout crushing the Americans, oops, they lost, i bet he wishes he never said that.
Craytons gonna learn to keep stuff to his self, nothing wrong with sayn no comment.
he"s grown into a solid WR, but that mouth, BAD KARMA!

by bleedn blu on Aug 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

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