Boldin's Situation getting worse
by Deke on Aug 18, 2008 8:07 PM CDT
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PrintWide receiver Anquan Boldin's displeasure with the Cardinals has not dissipated. If anything, it has intensified.
Boldin criticized the organization Monday for "lying" to him about the new contract he desires but has not procured, and he saved his strongest comments for Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt, with whom he no longer communicates.
"At this point we have no relationship, and I don't see that changing," Boldin told NFL Network. "It's just gotten to a point where I think lines were crossed.
"If you ask me, coaches should be coaches, management should be management, and I don't think those lines should be crossed. But when you cross those lines, you put yourself in postiion for things like this to happen."
Things are getting worse by the week in Arizona with Boldin and the Cardinals. It's almost getting to the point where the Cardinls might just get rid of him before things get any worse, if that's possible at this point. Boldin's not happy, wants a new deal like he was promised or wants to be traded. This is the number two legitimate receiver I'm looking for. I hope jerry and the cowboys atleast kick the tires on this situation and contact the cardinals to see what the availability is for Boldin. I certainly dont want him to end up in Philly and that Dallas made no attempt to contact the Cardinals. This situation between the Cardinals and the Player resembles Shockey and the Giants. How much longer can this go on before it effects the whole team in the locker room and on the field.
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I like boldin
But I guess it would depend on the asking price. If i remember correctly,wasn’t his contract ginormous? It would depend on what kind of terms we could work out,and what the cards would want in return…I.E. Draft pics,players…
Plus he’s kinda coming off as a prima donna….and we already have one of those…could TO and boldin co-exist?
It wouldn’t hurt to kick the tires…but we’d have to make sure this is the right guy for our team,before jumping on it.
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
no...
i think it is fitzgerald’s contract that is $10mm a year and boldin (i recall is cloer to $3mm) i think the real problem is that he and fitz put up similar stats and fitz makes 4x as much.
having said that, he wold want a similar contract
Yeah you're right
I was thinking about fitzgerald.
But also true is he’s going to want a much better deal.
I don’t see it happening.
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Good point about Shockey.
That would probably be the asking price for Bolden, or at least something comprable. Didn’t the Saints give up a 2nd? We win the big one and it will practically be a 3rd.
Boldin’s been one of my favorite WRs since being drafted. Funny that AZ drafted Bryant Johnson in the 1st and Boldin in the 2nd and he’s the one who ended up being the stud. Goes to show that gamers are gamers no matter where their drafted.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
I don't know if this could happen, but I'd be all for it
Would the Cards be stupid enough to trade him to Dallas?
Does Dallas have the cap space to work a deal for Boldin?
I’d have to realistically put the chances of this happening at less than 10%
This guy is a top 15 WR in the league
http://www.nfl.com/players/anquanboldin/careerstats?id=BOL283010
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I dont think Arizona cares about giving him to us.
They are so far from being on our level anyway. If they were a contender as well I couldnt see it happening. But I think it’s kind of like Oakland trading Moss to NE last year. What do they care, they’re gonna suck either way.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 19, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
U know Oct 12th would be big date on both calendars..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
LOL GloryDayz
Good example, but I guess I think AZ has a little more talent than OAK did, plus Moss never played well for the Raiders in his short time there while Boldin has been awesome for the Cards. They might be willing to trade him to Dallas, but it would take a lot to get him.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 19, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
There is enough cap room.....Jerry and Stephen can work that out....we'd have to trade a player or two....and a few draft picks...
here’s another take on the matter…found on www.profootballtalk.com
BOLDIN ADDRESSES MESS IN THE DESERT
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2008, 8:47 p.m. EDT
Earlier on Monday, we reported that Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin and coach Ken Whisenhunt aren’t talking. And now Boldin has confirmed the absence of a relationship with his boss.
"At this point we have no relationship, and I don’t see that changing," Boldin told NFL Network. "It’s just gotten to a point where I think lines were crossed. If you ask me, coaches should be coaches, management should be management, and I don’t think those lines should be crossed. But when you cross those lines, you put yourself in postiion for things like this to happen."
Boldin is referring to his perception that Whisenhunt took and active role in his contract talks. Complicating matters is that Boldin believes the organization (Whisenhunt included) "lied" to him regarding whether he’ll get a new deal.
But he says that his feelings won’t affect his performance on the field. "I can be productive on the field but that’s as far as it goes," Boldin said. "I will try to detach myself from the organization as much as possible. As long as I’m here, I can’t see myself as a happy member of this organization at all, not with this situation being what it is. I don’t see it being rectified, either. The relationsip with me and the organization is done. I’m here to uphold my contract, that’s it."
I say we do it……he’s a team guy, a good citizen, and would make this offense completely unstoppable…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
What if they wanted Spencer?
They need some outside passrushers. Doubt Wade would want to do it, but Jerry and Garrett might.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
don't do it.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I just said that based on what AZ needs
and Cowboys fans seem to think other teams don’t know who their underachievers are. Bobby C, Spears, Roy don’t have much trade value, especially for a strong, fast WR. That’s a commodity position.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
we don't need Boldin
Having 2 #1 receivers is too much of a luxury IMO. I’d rather spend the money on Ware, Canty, Tank and Colombo.
In Romo we Trust
+1
If you asked me a month ago I would have said different, but our young guys are a little better than I thought.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 19, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I really like the player, but I like that the team develops its own in-house slew of weapons.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
If we don't have to give up too much in terms of players...
…and we had the cap room, I’d be willing to see us fork out a 2nd round pick.
Think about it. If we drafted a WR with a 2nd rounder, it would take a few years to develop that player.
Compare that to Boldin, who’s ready-made and already-proven.
Plus, we could still keep some of our current in-house WRs. Talk about providing Romo with a loaded arsenal and playmaking depth.
However, I DO NOT WANT US TO TRADE SOMEONE LIKE ANTHONY SPENCER. That’s a no-go, IMHO… he’s the heir apparent to GE.
"Jerry Jones offers more second chances than a tent revival." -- Kevin Sherrington, The Dallas Morning News
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funny you say that.
Think about it. If we drafted a WR with a 2nd rounder, it would take a few years to develop that player.
Compare that to Boldin, who’s ready-made and already-proven.
Because Boldin’s best season was his rookie season.. There have been some WR of recent history that have come in and put up big time stats year 1. I would rather grow our own, then over pay.
I agree our 2nd round pick or even our 1st, since is should be late, is worth it, that is it..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
You beat me to pointing that out as well.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 19, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
His best year was his rookie year?...
While it was a very good year, it definitely wasn’t his best… See 2005.
Oh I did
Basically the same year, but I gave year one the nod because of the extra TD..
You get my drift though, you can come out your rookie year and put up big numbers..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
History shows that most rookie WRs don't make an immediate impact their 1st season
Randy Moss, Torry Holt, and Anquan Boldin were the exceptions.
"Jerry Jones offers more second chances than a tent revival." -- Kevin Sherrington, The Dallas Morning News
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
No perfect science
I know Colston and M. Clayton both had good rooking seasons..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I understand that, but with Austin...then what happened to...
… realistically not being available til probably Oct as our deep threat wide out, I’ve hopped on the Boldin bandwagon.
Why?
Because like I said earlier, he’s ready-made and already-proven… plus can help us this year and for years to come — for the right price.
Compare his present and future to banking our hopes on a draft pick next season, and the historical percentages of a rookie WR making an impact his rookie season is less likely to happen.
Consider these others:
Troy Williamson – Top 10 draft pick who ended up a bust in Minny, trying to latch on in Jax
Hines Ward didn’t excel ‘til his 2nd season
Steve Smith took off after a season as a return man
Reggie Wayne took two years and in his 3rd year (last season) finally became consistent
Plaxico Burress became a threat in the middle of his second season
Donald Driver became the Packers’ #1 receiver his 3rd year in the league
Ashley Lelie – after high hopes as a deep threat when Denver drafted him, he flamed out in Atlanta and seems to have digressed in San Francisco
Santonio Holmes – a first rounder, turned it on last year, his 2nd season… not his rookie campaign.
Braylon Edwards – just finally became a productive #1 WR last season.
Chad Johnson – Year #2 he busted out and never looked back
I hate debating. And that’s not my point here. My point here is that I like to play the percentages when it comes to acquiring young WRs in their prime… as long as our team doesn’t give up too much for him — and as long as we can afford him.
If those conditions are met, I’ll take my chances on Boldin than a drafted rookie.
"Jerry Jones offers more second chances than a tent revival." -- Kevin Sherrington, The Dallas Morning News
www.brainfriednetwork.com [NEWS/SPORTS/FOOTBALL]
I get that..
I am saying it impossible, my first point has always been that we can wait the 2 to 3 years for the WR to develop, since we have TO.
That way we don’t give away all of those picks, a player, and still cash him out..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I am saying it is not impossible,
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
ot T.O could go out in practice tomorrow, make a wrong cut and tear up his knee and gone for the year
Then where would we be…….that would leave Hurd and Crayton starting…. now tell me if thats scares defenses.. it would certainly scare me for this offence and this year.
It’’s all about having better options… we cant afford to put off finding a legitimate number one lead receiver for two or three years and HOPE one or two of those receievers develop, what if they dont, then you’re five years away from developing one. Thus far with this crop of receivers we have behind T.O, there is more questions than answers…and a lot of wishfull/hopeful thinking.
I agree
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
If that was the case
Then like I said earlier you make the move, but we don’t have that problem right now..
What if we draft 3 WR’s in the next three years and they are all studs?? That what if game can go on and on…
I don’t want to give up a 1st, 3rd, and a player for Boldin or 2 1st for Boldin..
Your opionon differs. Neither one of us get to pull the trigger and it appears AZ isn’t trading him. Looks like there are taking the Deke approach and forcing him to play out his contract. It appears we will not find out the actual price.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
you can't go into a season saying what if
thats like saying lets trade for Matt Hasselbeck because what if Romo goes down for the season. Its not economically feasible to have an all pro contingency at every position.
If T.O. goes down we’re screwed, just like if Moss goes down for the pats, they’re screwed, its no different with any other team, part of winning a championship is staying healthy.
In Romo we Trust
Believe me terry, every team does the what if
If such and such a player goes down, do we have depth at that position, is there a better option option out there. I guarantee that goes on terry.
We’re talking “what if” here with regards to Boldin, who has requested a trade. There has been statements here that we’ll draft two receivers next year with our first and third round picks. If the cardinals would take a first and a third for Boldin, a top ten receiver who wants out, you have to look at it. I’d rather have an established receiver over two unknowns that will need atleast two years to develop, if they develop at all. It’s called covering all the bases and when you’re team is this close to a championship, Thats just smart football.
You have said many times, if Romo goes down, well are season is scewed. But a team that has so much invested and such a small window to win a championship, you have to try to fill a backup role that can come in and sustain the offense, we’re not talking about an allpro. You go from right to the extreme. No one is saying you need a guy as good as the starter in every position, you just dont throw up your arms and say, oh well, I guess we have to wait until next season. Backup quarterback, a developing quarterback never seems to be addressed through the draft on this team,
yes we are talking about an all pro
thats what Boldin is and he wants to be paid like one as well. Of course teams do what ifs regarding depth, but you’re talking about having all pro depth which is completely unrealistic.
How many teams have 2 #1 receivers on their teams?? Not too many because its not economically feasible. Paying 2 receivers top dollar is just plain stupid, especially when you have the best TE in the game. This team has plenty of weapons and if an injury derails our SB chances then thats just our fate.
Signing Boldin would be too costly plus he’s somewhat of a china doll, always hurt every year.
In Romo we Trust
didn't we have two number one receivers last year on the roster
only problem was one of them got 6 million for not playing in Glenn.
again, we’re talking about “what if” he came available for a trade, you have to take a long look at it, and if the decision came down to boldin or spending two picks next year on receivers, its a no brainer, you go get Boldin.
exactly
we wasted 6 mil on Glenn when he didn’t play, Jerry isn’t going to make that mistake again and pay 2 receivers top dollar one of which is a china doll.
Its certainly not the no brainer you think it is as Boldin will be very expensive to sign because if he wasn’t, he would be signed already by the Cards.
In Romo we Trust
as you always like to say,
there the cardinals!! In the last four years, T.O missed more games, ofcource some of his were via suspension. I heard lots of excuses for his drops two years ago, broken hand and though he played towards the end of last season, he wasn’t very effective..
just because he was injured before doesn’t mean he’ll be injured here. Its a violent game, injuries happen and are part of the game. i think his stats speak for himself.
some players are just injury prone Deke
thats just a fact that you can’t ignore. Boldin is always having problems with his hamstrings which is a major red flag to me.
Whether you, BoyzRback or anyone else likes it or not, Jerry is going to ride with T.O., Crayton and the youngsters all season long. Austin before his injury was showing tremendous progress and with his absence I’m confident Hurd and Stanback will shine in the next 2 preseason games as well.
Like I said before, these kids are ready to step up and take the next step in their development, signing a guy like Boldin would only delay that progress.
In Romo we Trust
Maybe it's just me
but I’d like to see Austin catch more than two balls against a 1st string D before I start labeling him the second coming.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 20, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
He saved BJ on those last 2 catches
much like Lowber helped out Bartel’s stats.
But I agree, would like to see more. Now we have to wait though.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
where did you read second coming?
I read tremendous progress, which is a true statement.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
It seems like
everything you read makes it sound like he’s going to be some kind of Pro Bowl receiver or something, just because he played well in 2 preseason games.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 20, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think just because he's shown the most improvement
and came out of nowhere as a rookie FA, that everybody’s excited.
Plus, he’s got skills that other WRs on this team don’t and it’s great that he has been able to develop into a truly promising player.
Props: Ray Sherman!
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it's his
3rd year, so he better start doing something. You can count on one hand the number of catches the guy has in his career. I’m just saying I want to see it when it counts.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 20, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Tremendous progress
Call canton, tell them to get the bust ready, we have a tremendous receiver ready for enshrinement
why hate...
On a current player on the roster, who is improving?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
exactly
Deke contradicts himself by always saying we need to get younger, but when the opportunity presents itself with all of our young WRs, he wants to stop the progress by having us trade for veteran WRs, doesn’t make sense to me.
In Romo we Trust
I didn't contradict myself at all
If you sign a free agent, dont sign thirty plus free agents, especially linemen.
There is a big difference in talent level in Boldin and Austin. Your so-called tremendous progress receiver has a grand total of five catches for his entire NFL carreer. And you make these claims based on WHAT, OTA’s, catching balls against air, or the two meaningless preseason games against second and third stringers. I said austin made strides, but if this club has a chance at Boldin, who is 27 entering his prime, and not entering his thirties, you have to make a play for the player
there isn’t any contradiction there, maybe there’s a comprehension problem on your end….
When Austin actually catches more than 45 balls a season than the current five he’s at now for his entire NFL career, then that mght be classified as tremendous progress….
Did I not say he made strides
Why, yes I did, but please dont throw out ridiculous words like tremendous when we’re talking about an undrafted free agent that caught FIVE PASSES last year, which is the grand total for his NFL career.
ridiculous??
Deke, he’s 10 times better than he was as a rookie, I think that qualifies as tremendous and I’m pretty sure the coaches would tell you the same thing.
In Romo we Trust
now he's ten times better
WOW, keep up with that wishful thinking Terry. I said he made strides, he has speed but it takes alot more than that to be a productive pro in the NFL
Are these the same coaches and GM that told everyone that Glenn was making great progress in the spring and we’re looking for good things from Glenn this year. Is that the Tremendous progress your talking about.
I told you before, Believe about 10% what jerry says, 90% of the rest is BS. He said himself that he’s a salesmen, do you believ everything a salemans say about sometihng your buying.
You want to talk about a walking contradiction, I suggest you listen to Jerry Jones speak. You could write a novel on his contradictions.
But I’m glad jerry passed on aging Joe Horn, somethnig I quarantee he wouldn’t of if he was the old jerry, so there’s an instant right where jerry has learned from working with Bill parcells
That was last year.
I think the progress guys are referring to is in camp, in the offseason, in preseason—just looking at his work ethic and potential of busting loose.
Dude, nobody could remember if it was Austin Miles or Miles Austin, so he’s at least shown enough for people to be calling him the right name!
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
sure...he made "strides" and looked more focused, and showed he can hold onto the rock...
but didn’t he show that in preseason last year as well ?….granted…He’s surely impressed me with some of his catches….but does that translate to him “turning the corner” or will he be wide open week 1 against Cle…and blow it…….nobody knows….I’m with Deke in regards to improving your team when the opportunity presents itself…IF we were to obtain Boldin, and sign him to a 7 million per contract, we’d be set for a long time at WR…..you cannot sit here right now and confirm that Austin and Stanback will be pro bowl level WR’s 3-5 years from now…..Boldin has already answered that he is and will continue to be an elite WR in this league….By trading our 1st and say- WR-Patrick Crayton and his 3.5 million per contract to Arizona, It would take merely 4 more million of cap space(which we have or can manage if needed) to satisfy Boldin, and still give our young WR’s time to grow and mature to eventually replace TO 3 years down the line…………Do I think we’ll succeed if by chance TO goes down with an injury this season ??….not a chance…now……..IF we had Boldin, Hurd, Austin, and Stanback ….yeah….I’d be pretty confident in that group….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I'd be confident in that group as well
but I don’t see Crayton being traded becuz he is a developed Cowboy and very much proud of his team. That’s why he runs his mouth.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
a developed Cowboy ?...he isn't immuned to the trading block...
I can assure you that…..If Arizona called and said we’ll give you Boldin for a 1st and Crayton….Jerry would be like “Where do I sign ?”
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I would do it for a 1st
I think this team is close enough to being put over the top with a big acquisition like Boldin that I’d be willing to give up our first round pick next year. We’re all in with the cap situation as it is. I don’t know if Boldin could fit under our cap with a new deal, however.
I think you have to jump on it if it’s there, even if he’d play this season under his current contract only.
you're not getting boldin for a first round pick
Its going to take a first, third and probably a player or a fourth. Dallas has lots of picks next year. If Dallas has a late first round pick next year, they’ll probably be in the market for a receiver at which point they’re going to have to trade up with mitliple picks to get one, because it looks like a thin class at the top next year, so why not call and offer a package for an established receiver.
I disagree
I don’t think you need to trade up at all to get big time WR in next years draft. Tough to speculate that and the college season hasn’t even started..
1st is all they get.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
would you trade T.O for a late first rounder?
didn’t think so!! Then dont throw out a ridicuous trade noton that a late first round pick is going to get a legitimate established receiver in boldin.. not going to happen. You’re spending to much time in fantasy land
hold on buddy
What did SF and Philly get for TO?
If TO wanted out, I would take a 1st round pick for him, yes sir..
Fantasy land? Here is what I am saying, if they want more then that, then don’t make the trade.
Who was the last player to be traded for more then a 1st round pick?
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
do you remember the two first round picks for Joey Galloway
Washington offered to first rounders for Chad Johnson, cincy said no!!!
you would trade T.O for a late first rounder
So, any player that wants out, you would trade. NIce, let the players run your team. I’ve said before, I’m glad you’re not the cowboys GM… We’d be in the basement every year
How did that Joey Galloway trade work out?
What you fail to realize, if I was the GM TO wouldn’t want out , neither would Boldin. If I was the GM of AZ I would have given Boldin a fair deal, and give him no reason to demand a trade. Would you have preferred to handle the TO situation like Philly and get nothing for him.????? They would have been more served to get something..
Cincy was offered a 1st rounder and a pick that could become a 1st round pick.. Not 2 guarnteed 1st round picks. Just becasue one franchise was willing to do that doesn’t mean we would have. I know if I was GM I wouldn’t.. Not worth it..
I’m glad you’re not the cowboys GM… We’d be in the basement every year
I could say the same to you, but what is the point? Just because my opionon differs from yours. I think it has been proven that there are more then one GM style that can win a Super Bowl. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying my opionon is different. You have a hard time accepting someone’s views if they are different then yours..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
I thought is was a stupid trade from day one
You asked the question, I just answered it. You didn’t ask me if it was a smart move.Galloway wasn’t a lead type receiver.. This is exactly one of the reasons why Jerry Jones is a horrible GM, failing to realize that the cowboys should of been dismantled and rebuilt instead of chasing a superbowl at the time when he had no chance of getting there with that aging team. The run was over, it was time to rebuild, jerry failed to realize that.
T.O was a cancer in the locker room, and towards his coaches. Again, what was it all about with T.O, oh that’s right, the money. He kept whining about his base salary but he failed to take into account about his big signing bonus he got. He would of received 27 million over three years, ecentually the same deal he signed here. He acted like a baby when he was in Philly, he signed the deal against the player union concerns, and when he didn’t get a new deal after one year, again wanted more money after one year of the deal, he acted like a fool and philly suspended him and got rid of him for the better of the team. I guess if you were the GM you would of tore up the deal every year and gave him another deal to make one player happy. Not a smart way to run a team
kind of how Cincy tore up Chad Johnson’s deal with three years left on the contract and gave him a new one, and then two years later, he wants a new deal. That’s what he was whining about during the offseason. It wasn’t about going to another team, it was about a new contract. When a player says, its not about the money, its always about the money. You cant pay everyone and you cant tear up and redue contracts every two years because the player isn’t happy. What you would consider fair, a player might see as an insult. There is such thing called a salary cap. Boldin is the better receiver on the Cardinals but is making less than one third of his team mate. Atleast I can understand his beef and he makes no bones about it, its about the money.
And the Washington offer is ecentually two frst round picks, make no mistake about it. Conditional mean easily attainable goals, like 5 wins, a starting role, or 50% of offensive plays on the field.
you can win and lose
TO philly lost
Chad Cincy won
Proof it can go either way..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
If you are going to continually bash Jerry
you need to get current.
This is exactly one of the reasons why Jerry Jones is a horrible GM, failing to realize that the cowboys should of been dismantled and rebuilt instead of chasing a superbowl at the time when he had no chance of getting there with that aging team. The run was over, it was time to rebuild, jerry failed to realize that.
You constantly say what a bad GM Jerry is when the only ammo you have is years old. Talk about logic, you need to use some yourself. Jerry made many mistakes and did a lot of stupid things as GM but he is doing a great job now and he has done alot to put the cowboys in the driver’s seat for a SB run.
Not trying to nitpick Deke, you are obviously a very knowledgeable guy about football and I respect your opinion but get off Jerry, he is not the same GM he was 6 years ago.
I'm not saying he's the same guy as he was years ago
Buy Jerry has an ego, and he tends not to listen to people he hires to give him input, like the scouts. he still gets fixated on players he wants. Jerry released the reigns and let Bill run the show for the most part when he was here, the talent and the drafts got better, and I’m sure Jerry learned a few things, but as time goes by, even the mediots around dallas think at some point jerry will revert back to his old ways.
You heard jerry himself talk on hardknocks about how he likes hollywood and compares the cowboys to that kind of image. Jerry says he a showman, Right there he gives the wrong impression, its about football jerry, its not about putting on a show.
I’ve said it was good of jerry to lock up his own restricted and free agents and not over spend for a walker or a berian when they were free agents. It was smart of jerry not to trade up for Mcfadden, but again even the mediots knew Jerry was thinking about doing it. He’s showing some restraint, but like jerry said, he’s a showman, and its only a matter of time before he reverts back to the old Jerry. Hopefully someone will invent a drug to keep him on the somewhat straight and narrow.
I think the current playoff drought
coupled with watching Danny Snyder continually fall on his face trying to make a big splash has taught Jerry a lot. You are right, he is a showman first but I think he has learned that going for the big splash too often leaves you all wet.
I think he learned a lot from Parcells and I hope he does not revert back to his old ways. His desire to return the cowboys to glory is acting like the drug you said and preventing him from making knee jerk decisions while yelling “YEEE HAAAW!”
I would love to believe that the last couple of years is the beginning of the new era in Jerry the GM and those craptacular drafts and horrific Galloway trades are a thing of the past.
with that said
Bernard was a perfect fit, but not worth what he was paid. I happy for my friend, but that is a lot of money..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
nice thought
but i think that we"d have to give up too much to make that happen, plus our young WRs are showing very positive signs of being able to get the job done.
You have to look at it as TO's replacement
in 2 or 3 years. Crayton is not a #1 and really isn’t a #2. He may not even be here after his contract is up in two years. The only other player on this roster right now that has #1 WR talent is Austin. So trading for Boldin would be good business. Hurd, Stanback are expendable if it means getting Boldin. Neither of those players are in the same category as Boldin so how can anyone say it wouldn’t be a great move.
Our lineup could look like TO and Boldin with Austin or Crayton as the third WR. The way Austin was playing he would push Crayton out eventually and our starting three could be TO, Boldin and Austin with Crayton or Hurd as the 4th WR.
Not including TO. Boldin would be the best WR on the roster.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
It would surely take more than our 1st next year.....
To lessen the loss to Arizona, I’d offer our 1st and Patrick Crayton….who’s essentially making the same as Boldin right now, that would still leave them with a decent corp of WR’s……Fitzgerald, Crayton, Beaston, and Early Doucet………that would be the most likely scenario to get it done…
I reviewed their roster and I don’t really see much for holes…aside from a upgrade on their O Line(offer McQ or Marten), maybe TE(offer Curtis or Hannah), a young RB (offer Choice ?) , they are set on Offense….Defense…Secondary is solid, Safeties….Roy wouldn’t unseat either of their starters….CB’s are fairly stacked as well……Throw Alan Ball their way as a filler/throw in pick wouldn’t be bad….LB- They do need some help/depth there…..but is Carp better than any of their starters ?…i don’t think so…but they may lose Dansby after this season, and run a 4-3…..hmmm…….D Line….well…got some players…nothing spectacular….Spears or Hatcher could be enticing for them……
All and all, I’d say the best possible trade for them would be our 1st rounder AND Patrick Crayton…..It would solve the problem that presents them, and It would greatly improve our Offense……..Boldin can be extended for about 6 – 7.5 million per….and would fit in well here with TO…He surely doesn’t have an ego that would deter from team unity….Having Austin, Stanback, and Hurd still in fold, with two premier WR’s starting, we’d be set for years………..at EVERY position on our team besides back up QB….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I'd be all for trading patrick Diarrhea mouth Crayton in a heartbeat
Let him go there and talk all the trash/garbage he wants and see if he can back it up there.
I’d trade a first, third round picks and diarrhea mouth for boldin.
lol....yeah....i'd do that too....
It would work out well for both teams……it’s the best situation I see…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
-1
not me..
Not giving up that much for an injury prone WR. If it was TO last year yes, but we have time to get our own.. I said once I’ll say it again. Draft a WR with the 1st and 3rd, if it is that much of necessity..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
drafting a receiver in the first and third next year doesn't helps us this year
and it wont help us next year since it takes atleast two years for them to develop.
But you wouldn’t trade a first and third next year for an established legitmate receiver, So two unknown receivers is better than a NFL established one, I fail to see that logic.
I am sure you do
I don’t think we need Boldin or another WR this year. We just need a healthy Miles Austin to go with our current cast and we can win the Superbowl.
We don’t need Boldin. We need someone to step up and be the #1 when TO is gone, I think we can find that player in the draft..
Boldin would be nice to have for the right price, but I don’t want to overpay for him. I say a 1st and Bobby C is enough.
I
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Huh ??? One minute your saying don't overpay by using a 1st rounder on an established pro bowl WR, then you say a 1st and Bobby C would be cool ?
or is it your thinking by adding an extra third rounder is over the top ???
even though we’ll have at least 2 3rd rounders
And to label Boldin as some sort of fragile china doll isn’t exactly indicitive of how he’ll perform in the future…..injuries happen….Boldin is one of the toughest, most physical WR’s in the league, and will on occasion get nicked up going that extra mile for every yard possible…..I sure don’t hold that against him.
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Okay Boyz, just so you don't think I'm crazy
I would go after Boldin. We have enough guys who could contribute on other teams and enough draft picks that this makes a lot of sense. I stand by not touching Steve “Sucka punch” Smith but I am totally on board with Boldin.
I do
I think it is too much.. Personally I think Bobby C. value is about 6th or 7th round.. So I would give up a 1st and 6th. I really don’t think Bobbby is that good, he is functional.
I am not saying he is fragile, I am just pointing out obvious, he is injury prone. It may be because he plays so phsycial, but he misses games..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
well a toe injury last year
with a back injury -
not sure how many games he missed
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6390/injuries.html
but in 5 years he had 413 catches for 5400+ yards
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6390/
Despite the initial concerns of the NFL scouts after Boldin ran a 4.8 40 time at the NFL Combine, Boldin has broken several NFL records. In his rookie year, Boldin became the most prolific rookie receiver in league history with 101 catches and was the only rookie selected for the 2004 Pro Bowl. Boldin also set an NFL record for most receiving yards in his first game (217). He also holds an NFL record for most receptions in the first 26 games of an NFL player (157) as well as being the fastest to record 300 career receptions (47 games).
In 2005, he suffered injury and missed part of the season, yet still caught more than 100 passes and over 1,400 yards receiving.
seems pretty stout to me – give them Loud mouth
Wanting new deal, Cards WR Boldin asks for trade
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3543594
Although Boldin previously denied asking for a trade, he said Tuesday that his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has asked the Cardinals to consider it now.
“At the beginning of camp, I hadn’t asked for a trade,” Boldin said. “As of recently, we did.”
Asked if he believes his standoff with Arizona can be resolved, Boldin shook his head and simply said, “No.”
Teammate Larry Fitzgerald signed a four-year $40 million, deal after last season, with $30 million guaranteed, but Boldin has said he believes Fitzgerald earned the deal and that’s not why he’s unhappy.
Boldin is one of the NFL’s top receivers. He reached 400 career receptions faster than any other player, doing it in 67 games. In five seasons, Boldin has 413 receptions for 5,458 yards and 29 touchdowns.
Always liked Boldin
ever since he was a rookie and I would follow the Cardinals to see what Emmitt did in his last few years… VERY good receiver
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Did we forget about Witten?
Witten is our #2 target. So Boldin wouldn’t get enough balls thrown his way to stay happy. TO – 1, Witten – 2, Whoever else – 3. How would we ever manage to get the ball to all these superstars?
This isn’t even considering the balls that are going to start being thrown to Felix.
you just answered your own question
Whoever else – 3
Thats exactly the problem, number three is whoever else. So you’re more about not hurting someones feelings about not getting enough balls instead of winning championships….
You can never have enough weapons on offense, Felix isn’t going to be as big a part of this offense as some people think, might get 10-12 touches a game
I got news for you Deke
Acquiring another top receiver certainly is not going to be the difference in this team winning a championship, thats just ridiculous as is your claim that the Cat won’t be a big part of the offense. He’ll easily get 15 touches at minimum every game, count on it.
In Romo we Trust
Doesn't need to be a stud, just completmentary
“Whoever else” as in they don’t need to be an absolute star for this team to be great. Look around the league and you’ll see the really good offenses with two dominant pass catchers and a good/decent third option.
And let’s not act like players egos don’t get in the way of the team. Boldin doesn’t want to play second fiddle to Fitz, how could he stay happy here knowing our offense is going to focus on TO, Witten, and MB3?
I don't think he has a problem
playing second fiddle to Fitzgerald. His beef is that he feels he is just as good as him, but he’s only making 1/4 the money his team mate just got. He saw LF get taken care of, and doesn’t understand why he isn’t. I think he’s still being a good team player in all of this. He’s still showing up to every practice. And said he’ll play out the rest of his contract, which is another three years I believe.
by Mandmeisterx on Aug 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Wonder how he'd feel playing behind T.O.
We all got to remember that Romo is one helluva a QB and has the potential to be one of the Franchise’s all-time bests.
He is good because he spreads the ball around—like Brady does in NE.
Brady w/o Moss and Stallworth and Welker= 0 Superbowls.
Brady w/ Troy Brown, David Patten, and that dude that’s on the Seahawks now= 3 Superbowls.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Superbowl WINS, I should've said
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
he was their best deep threat back then.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 21, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If
I think Witten would end up getting enough catches, kinda like Novacek did when Irvin and Harper were there… having alot of weapons makes it VERY difficult to defend.. Witten is to Romo what Novacek was to Aikman
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Mullin is on the money.....
aquiring Boldin would cause so many match up problems for a defense they’d completely fold trying to do defend this array of weapons….
……Having a “legit” 3rd option makes the first two options even better…..Would there be enough balls to go around ??…come on now….does Witten really need 96 balls throw his way ?…no…take 15 away from him….TO with 86 balls ?…..come on, take another 10 away from him……….now add that to the 50 or so Crayton hauled in last year…now you have Boldin with about 75 catches…..TO with 75 catches….and Witten in the 75-80 range…..that isn’t enough balls ??….Boldin would make this offense THEE BEST, most balanced squad of ALL TIME…..with nobody crying about touches……….
Do you really think they can double team TO if Boldin was lined up on the opposite side of the field ???…..NO chance….
Do you think teams can shadow Witten with an LB and Safety IF Boldin and TO are lined up wide ???…..NO chance….
Do you think teams can bring an eigth man up in the box to slow our rushing game, leaving TO and Boldin in single man coverage ???…..NO chance….
I would do all things neccessary to aquire an elite WR like Boldin….If it took more than just a 1st and Patrick Crayton….I’d be willing to ante up even more….an extra 3rd rounder, and a 6th rounder, (whatever it takes)..which….btw …would still leave us with 7 + picks next season, including 3rd and 6th rounders….
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Miles Austin
I have faith that Miles Austin will continue to make strides and be dyanmic WR.
If we trade for Boldin I will accept it and move on, but I don’t think we need him..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Me too
He’s a stud, but now might not be the time. Let him boil in AZ and go full force next year when TO is a year older. This is already a talented team and I’m sick of the Yankees comparisons. We gotta stay realistic and continue developing players while vets are still in their prime.
This is so fantasy.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 20, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Boldin did say he won’t re-sign and he wants to be traded, but he also said his feelings won’t affect his play on the field (which I believe, since it would only hurt his chance for a big payday down the road if he slacks off). I think he’ll play for the Cards this season and maybe they get over this and he stays longer. At any rate, my money is on him staying in AZ.
However, I do think Roy W leaves DET next season to sign with Dallas.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 20, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could see both
The thing is, unless Arizona gets an offer they can’t refuse, they have no reason to trade him now for uncertain picks. They’ll keep him and either give him his contract or trade him closer to the draft when they know what picks they’re getting. I think Crayton, a 1st, and 3rd approaches “offer they can’t refuse” territory, but really I’m more interested in being a foil for the Eagles here than making a power play for Boldin.
BTW, speaking of the Eagles, there’s a report on SI.com’s truth and rumors (take it with a truckload of salt) that the Cards don’t want Sheppard. That’s good.
Phew!
They already have a plethora of young DBs. Anyways, I heard Philly isn’t looking to trade him. Just because they got Samuel, everybody expects them to unload Lito “theCowboyKilla” Sheppard. Wish he go somewhere else.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 21, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
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