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Bobby Carpenter...on film

 

I finished watching the Texans game and have my notes together for the film review but I wanted to take a closer look at one player first. Immediately after the game I thought that Bobby Carpenter hadn’t play well, I termed it a disappointment. Afterwards, Wade Phillips praised Carpenter’s play especially in the first half. So I thought I better go back and look more closely and see what I missed the first time around. Here’s what I found.

In the first half he blitzed three times by my count. Twice he didn’t get to the QB although both times he made some penetration. On a third one, he got good pressure but DeMarcus Ware beat him to the QB and forced the bad pass.

Five times he was away from the run or dropped in zone coverage and the pass went somewhere else.

Once he got blocked off the play when he could have made a difference.

He also had three tackles that came in quick succession. He made an open-field tackle on a screen 15 yards down field, he combined with Scandrick to tackle a receiver who caught the ball in his zone 9 yards downfield, then he tackled the ball carrier about 5 yards downfield.

I give him credit for the tackles downfield although I’d like my middle linebackers to make some tackles by the line of scrimmage or in the backfield. None of the blitzes paid off in sacks our disruptions. So to me that was average production.

In the second half Carpenter played almost the entire game. I won’t go through every play in the second half, but here a few highlights and lowlights. He cleaned up a tackle after good penetration by Canty and then blitzed two more times but didn’t get to the QB. He made a tackle 14 yards deep after getting blocked off a run and then chasing down the ball carrier. Twice he over-committed to a run and left the backside hole open for yards. He got blown out of the middle on a block and let the FB slip out uncovered but the FB dropped the ball. He had a good play in tight coverage and wasn’t bad about getting deep drops in the zone coverage on a lot of plays. Once though the TE beat him deep but Scandrick saved him with a great deflection. He made a tackle 7 yards downfield on a run then tackled the receiver on a pass 9 yards downfield. He finished with another tackle 8 yards deep.

So by my charting, he was very active but not always effective.. Now, if he’s playing a zone coverage and they don’t throw at him that’s good and I didn’t note all those plays. But even though he was involved a lot, it was always downfield after the offense had picked up 5, 8 or 12 yards. He never really got to the QB on any blitzes and only once got the ball carrier at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield. He just didn’t make any dynamic plays and seemed soft against the run. Too many tackles made going backwards instead of forwards.

The difference between his play and Bradie James, and especially Zach Thomas, is those two seem to diagnose a play much more quickly and make a beeline through traffic to the ball. Carpenter seems less sure about what he’s doing and tends to drift to the action instead of initiating it.

Maybe he wasn’t a total disappointment as I originally stated, but he sure wasn’t impressive either. I want to see some dynamic playmaking out of the Caveman like we saw at camp.

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Carp not only doesn't diagnose plays well

he’s not strong or physical enough to shed blocks and get to the ball carrier at the point of attack. He’s a player who does okay in space and he rushes well for a LB so he should be playing OLB in a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4. ILBs in a 3-4 defense have to play tough, Carp certainly isn’t tough.

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by Terry on Aug 24, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Thanks for breaking it down Grizz. Pretty much what my impression was watching the game, he was around the ball, usually down field. Never disrupted any plays in the offense’s backfield. If he was a 6th or 7th round rookie, I’d think he did decent, but a 1st round pick starting his 3rd year, not impressive. Unfortunately.

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by APerfectStar on Aug 24, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't think

The years of NFL regular season experience help James and Zach Thomas diagnose a play faster? Sounds like the guy just needs an opportunity to be on the field and get comfortable..

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by Wmillion on Aug 25, 2008 1:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 25, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome commentary grizz

thanks a lot.

watching the game (with an emphasis on the second half), it certainly felt like he was always around the ball, but that the pile was at his feet as he was getting pushed back.

reading the reviews the next day, he seemed to get a lot of praise. i was a bit baffled. this clears things up a ton

it seems like wades defense doesn’t really give ILB’s an easy path to sacks and pressure (and blitz’s by them may be more about keeping people honest) and if he is not getting shown up in coverage (ahem, cough, cough bradie james cough) then he could fill in reasonably well for burnett. but he certainly is sharp or scary on the point of attack. i may not want to be covered by bobby carp, but if i am going to be tackled by anybody on the defense he might be my first choice.

by 325424 on Aug 24, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had the same impression

Watching the game, I would see him making tackles, but always 5-8 yards out. I never saw him making any plays at the line of scrimmage and he was always getting pushed around. And then I started reading about how well Carp did the next day and was wondering if I had missed something.

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by DC_fan on Aug 25, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good analysis Grizz.....exactly the way I saw it too...

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Aug 24, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sure you did...

Carp did some good things and things not so good as Grizz pointed out. There was alot of things James and Zach didn’t do too well either that game and they are starters. None of the LBs should’ve been praised that game, but I understand the piling on of Carpenter. If people are expecting Carpenter to come out and morph into Ware it’s not going to happen. He is going to need more time playing ILB to really get a good feel for the position. He may need a second full season playing ILB to really get it.

If he doesn’t makes strides by season’s end I’m all for trading him or releasing him. The guy is talented and will be a starter here or somewhere else.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 24, 2008 9:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"None of the LBs should’ve been praised that game"...a valid comment.

And you’ll notice on prior post, I didn’t feel any of the LB’s played well that game……..and Carp had more “not so good” plays than good…..Grizz broke it down exactly the way I saw it……

If he doesn’t makes strides by season’s end I’m all for trading him or releasing him

better get his bus ticket ready…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 24, 2008 11:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good job Grizz

glad somebody went over the tape.

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by Tuna Helper on Aug 24, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say What

Bobby Carpeter the whole second half using my DVR. He was pathetic. When miracles of miracles did happen and he was at the point of attack he got blown out like a circus clown getting shot out of a cannon. Not one time did he stand up his man, shed him and make a tackle, not once. He trailed on his man coming out of the backfield and got lucky Scandrick came in and knocked the ball away. I challange anyone to watch Bobby in the second half when he played middle LB and find a good play

by GimmyJ on Aug 24, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tenative play

Grizz’s made a comments made me think about something. Bobby was getting some good press during training camp about sticking is nose in there and making plays. When he gets in games though he seems tenative and reactionary rather initiating contact at the point of attack. Sounds like a lack of film study of the opposing team to me. He’s good in practice because he knows the offense and he knows the players and he can diagnose quickly and knows how to react, correctly, automatically. But he doesn’t know the other team and there tendencies, strengths, weaknesses, etc. to be effective. If he wants to stick on this team as an ILB it sounds like he needs to be joined at the hip with Zach, a player who has “overachieved” his whole career because he’s a student of the game. He knows what the opposing offense is going to do almost as quickly as they do. And he does it through hours of film study. I remember HK when the team took the train ride to San Diego. Guys are playing dominoes or sleeping or listening to their iPods and there’s Zach recopying his notes, going over what he needs to do, studying for the upcoming game. Sounds to me like Bobby needs too likewise.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 24, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like Bobby is a hard worker in practice

Can’t see him not doing the same in the film room. I just think the difference is in games opposing players tend to get more physical. in practice you are basically playing touch football at times.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 24, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's the case

then he’s just running scared. If he mixes it up in practice because it’s not full contact, but is always cleanup tackling in games then that sounds like he’s scared. I find that hard to believe. You dont make it all the way to the NFL if you are scared of contact. As an example I offer up Roy Williams. Obviously the guy isnt scared of contact, but one of the big knocks on him is that he doesnt put in the film study time. So he is always reacting to the offense a split second too late and ending up out of position. Whereas, if he did better film study his reactions would be more automatic. No, you can be a hard worker in practice and in the weightroom, but that doesn’t guarranty you work hard in the film room.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 25, 2008 12:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think he just needs time in....

to build his confidence…….then it will slow down for him…instead of moving him all over….you should’nt draft someone in the 1st, and not let him get settled…..or at least a fair shot….i think wade is going to be forced to see him play………ramble,ramble,ramble on……

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by hashishkabob on Aug 25, 2008 2:18 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Some players just need more time than others. In Carpenters case when he hasn’t had alot of time at one position it makes it difficult. I really think he is going get alot better as the season progresses.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 25, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's miscast

and therefore tentative. As a result he plays in games not to screw up. We got the wrong guy for the job he’s been asked to do. We can only hope he contributes on Special Teams, which so far promise to be as questionable as last year. Time to part ways after this season

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by tdships on Aug 25, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Waste of space...

He has no confidence in his ability or reads and as long as he’s with the boys will be a special teams hero, we can only hope, unless we trade him but we wouldn’t get much for him. Best case scenario we can throw him in to give the starters an occasional breather and maybe for passing downs.

Staggolee

by Staggolee87 on Aug 25, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thought so

good breakdown, i was seeing the same type of play, i hope he can get it together,
we need Capt. Caveman to play like one.

by bleedn blu on Aug 25, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bottom line is

Carp playing inside in a 3-4 is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, just doesn’t fit no matter how hard or long you try.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 26, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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