WR Options
It's a bad situation. 3rd and long will be an especially bad scenario for Dallas for the next few weeks while the healing process takes place for Austin, Hurd and Stanback. So now what do we do? Here's some thoughts and your chance to weigh in;
Sign Koren Robinson - he is healthy, but can he be effective when he hasn't been a producer before?
Sign Joe Horn - he wants to play and while he doesn't have the youthful burst he once had, he is accomplished and savvy
Sign Ashley Lelie - a guy who had one good year in Denver and showed nice deep speed, has been an injury problem ever since.
Sign Terry Glenn - Good history of production but has some concerns (see Ashley Lelie)
Do nothing - Austin, Hurd or both could be back soon after game 1, so why try to plug in a vet? Let Martellus Bennett and Felix Jones get more involved in obvious passing downs?
Make a trade - Go after a viable #2 now, knowing that it is our most obvious weakness in terms of personnel.
Poll Time;
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I think if it came down to doing something
I would favor Lelie over the other options. He’s 28 and could compliment Owens well. His career also shows that hes been productive when hes had a capable quarterback throwing him the ball….
by BoNeZ on Aug 31, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's as dire a situation as you make it out to be.
Third and long: How many first downs did Sam Hurd and Miles Austin have for us last year? The answer is not that many. We have Marion Barber, Felix Jones, T.O, Patrick Crayton, Jason Witten and heck, go ahead and throw Tashard Choice into the mix….right there is a good number of offensive weapons with the capability of making the play on third down.
The concern is about our depth at receiver, not our playmaking ability. If <enter someone’s name, I refuse to> got dinged up or hurt, we have zero depth at receiver. It’s not so much who we have now, but who we would potentially be down to if something were to happen.
And don’t expect a big name receiver to come in here before week one. It just is not going to happen. With both Austin’s and Hurd’s injuries being temporary, Dallas is not going to eat a veteran’s salary for a full year just for one game. You have to think of the whole season when you look at the big picture.
As Cowboys fans, we might have to come to grips with the fact that the offense might not be as explosive as it was last year for the first month or so of the season while we wait on Austin and Hurd. Then again it might be. Crayton, TO and Witten were more than enough weapons for Romo last year. Don’t forget that we also have the ability to become a grinding running team if they start playing heavy against the pass. Having a punt return threat in Adam Jones doesn’t hurt much either.
Don’t panic, and certainly don’t make rash decisions over concern for the first few weeks of the season. Try to step back and think of the season as a whole.
by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
3rd and 4th WR’s aren’t generally measured by their statistical productivity, but rather their ability to limit the opposing defense to single coverage outside, or zone deep help. Our playmakers that scare people for plays 8 yards or more are named Witten and T.O. and that’s not enough against NFL defenses. Disrupt those two and what do we do? Pass to Felix in the flat? Hope that Bennett remembers his route?
Having said all that, I agree with you that running the ball effectively is the key early on. The question there is how much Kosier’s absence hurts the o-line’s cohesiveness and overall performance.
I don’t know, but this isn’t a great start.
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So many options
TO and Crayton split wide, Felix in the slot, Witten at TE OR
TO and Crayton split wide, Witten in the slot, Curtis or Bennett at TE OR
TO and Crayton split wide, Bennett in the slot, Witten at TE OR
TO and Crayton split wide, AJ in the slot (as a decot if nothing else), Witten at TE
Garrett can probably come up with some others. Plus dont forget MB3 is in the back field to either de-cleat a blitzing LB or to take the handoff on a draw or a screen pass.
This team has weapons!
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 31, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
You can split Witten out wide, so Crayton or TO can go in the slot..
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is...
you have to give TO and/or Crayton a few plays off. its border line ridiculous to assume that both starting wideouts should play every down that a WR is needed.
by jacksastud on Aug 31, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
And that’s when we go into the two or three TE look
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 31, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1......two TE's, FB/RB = 1 WR .....there's your time off...
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Aug 31, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Brandon
The concern is about our depth at receiver, not our playmaking ability.
Hurd was the 3rd WR last year and his productivity is not what people are clamoring for….Its what if happens we’re down to ….type mentality
Here in the South we have dirt track racing.
They have a division called the ANYCAR DIVISION or the “RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG DIVISION”
Anyone with a motorcycle helmet and colored masking tape can run a car in this race. Why am I telling you this? I feel that is exactly what the cowboys will be doing in week one….Running with what we’ve got.
We don’t need to go out and sign some WR just to sign someone who’s not really going to produce or even be given a chance to produce. Felix and Bennett are more than capable of being threats during 3rd and long. Our guys will be getting healthy and maybe….Just maybe we’ll peak in January instead of November this year!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Aug 31, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We have lots of weapons, but what if something happens to one of the 2 WR’s that are healthy.
Then the offense is definitely going to be limited. Unless the coaches feel like Stanback can play, or Jefferson is ready, I think Dallas needs to sign another WR. I’m on the side of picking up another WR regardless.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an option- Patriots release former 2nd rounder Chad Jackson of UF
He certainly has the measurables, and from watching him in college, where he was quite productive as a WR and return man, I know he’s better than the two scrubs we just added to our practice squad.
link:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/31/patriots-release-chad-jackson/
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 31, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
he defintely has the measurables
those ex-gator wr’s just don’t transition well to the NFL.
Just wonder how guy who has Tom Brady throwing him the ball can’t get it figured out..
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chad jackson
His special teams potential is intriguing.
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't like him during the draft at all
another in a long line of Florida receivers that dont pan out in the NFL. But as desperate as the cowboys are at wide receiver, they might have to take a look at him.
by Deke on Aug 31, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a Stud coming out of College
you know it was not 08 draft don’t you
hes better than Amen & Jefferson and Stanback – I rather have Rache Caldwell
in 06 he played in 12 games caught 13 for 152 yds – 11.7 avg
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Agz3tLO4uFtondAoL.i0Phb.uLYF?slug=rotowire-hadacksonutbyatriots&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy
He was unable to overtake Jabar Gaffney for the No. 3 receiver job, but what is surprising is that C.J. Jones and Ray Ventrone were retained over him. Jackson still has the physical skills to be a productive NFL player and he figures to be scooped up eagerly by a team like the Dolphins or Raiders
by GimmyJ on Aug 31, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: RACHE..
..is that short for RACHEL…i think you meant Reche, but I agree w/ Wmillion..not even Branch is anywhere near the player he was when he was w/ NE.
by vy til i die on Sep 4, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna draft him in FF
but I guess Branch will be on PUP because of his injury from last year
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 4, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nate burleson
is the pickup..
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by Wmillion on Sep 4, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta disagree
This guy is still a project looks to me. We have enough of those already. If we bring someone in, it’s going to be after the Cleveland game and it’s going to be a vet that, as Michael Irvin says, “is thinking about how he’s going to run a rout rather than what route to run when they break the huddle”. If we didn’t already have projects in Austin (still not there yet, gotta show consistency), Stanback, Jefferson and Amendola, (and I wish Lowber) then I could get on board.
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 31, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's my bottom line
While we can use Felix and Bennett and Witten etc in the slot, who is to say they are going to know the routes any better than a veteran WR that runs good routes? I know they have worked on some packages in camp, but I doubt this extensively.
The other thing is, we NEED more depth at WR. Going with 2 healthy WRs when yhou have 3 with somewhat iffy return timetables is too risky given how much the Boys have invested in this season. What happens if there’s another injury? Then we will be forced to bring someone in and get them learning the playbook, and they will be a week behind. What if Hurd and/or Austin and/or Stanback take longer to come back than expected? There are a lot of reasons we may need another WR, and taken all together there are enough that we shouldn’t pinch pennies on a 1 year minimum contract when we have plenty of cap room.
Jefferson and Amendola are on the PS at least, but I don’t see how a Joe Horn or a Koren Robinson doesn’t help us out here, a guy who might buy in for one last shot at glory on a veteran team. If everyone comes back healthy, great. We can even eat the guy’s salary and cut him loose. $1m to Jerry Jones is worth it to offset the potential disaster that might come. I would think, anyway.
It does cost us a roster spot, and Davis’ signing makes that a little trickier, but I can live without Alan Ball or James Marten (especially if they can be peddled off for picks, though I doubt that) for a little security policy at WR. That just gives us space for next year’s draft picks, anyway.
Now I’m going to go knock on some wood.
by grapejoos on Aug 31, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One last thing
If we run Crayton and TO out there every play, it’s going to make them more susceptible to injury. This is just a bad idea.
by grapejoos on Aug 31, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Points
Here are my concerns though. Just because a receiver knows how to run a route doesn’t mean he knows Garrett’s terminology to translate the play call into the proper route to run. That would take even a veteran receiver at least a few weeks to start getting down good.
We already have to cut someone to officially sign Killa, then we’ll have to cut someone to put Simms, Gray, Harrington, whoever, on the roster. So there goes lets say Ball and Marten since they were the bigger surprises to make the 53. Who do we cut if we add a veteran receiver?
by WB3forMB3 on Aug 31, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Whole Fanpost
Is a complete overreaction. Calm down, guys. Do any of you seriously think we’ll go into Cleveland next Sunday with the same roster we have now? With two healthy WRs?
Dallas is holding hostage some players on their active roster, playing chicken with teams like Miami and Cleveland. Miami has two (2) tackles on their roster, and would kill to get someone like McQuistan or Marten aboard. Dallas is hanging on to them, in essence saying, “You want ‘em? Okay, we want a sixth rounder for Marten, or fourth for Mac. The price is too high for you? Fine, we’re better equipped to go into Cleveland with two WRs than you are with two tackles. Have a nice day, Mr. Parcells.”
The same applies with Oglesby—Dallas wants to flip him for a low round pick. Once they do that, then you’ll see Jefferson and/or Amendola added to the active roster. They are both marginal players at best, but at least they know the offense and run decent routes.
Trading for a chronic underachiever like Lelie is just silly. It is not fantasy football, this is the real thing. It’s not going to happen.
by kindablue on Aug 31, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lelie was cut so there woudn't be a trade
We’ve already lost a sixth round pick from this year in Welden because we got cute. I’d rathe rhim on the roster than Marten. I dont see any team falling all over themselves trying to get Marten or McQuistan in a trade.
by Deke on Aug 31, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Walden
And I meant to say “sign Lelie”, not trade for him. But acquiring him just for a few games until Austin, Stanback and Hurd get healthy makes zero sense. We’d have to pay him the full year’s salary, he doesn’t know the offense, and he got cut for a reason—because he’s a bad wide receiver. That deal has no upside for us. We’ll just get by with our practice squad receivers in the interim.
by kindablue on Aug 31, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because Miami has so many WR's we'd love to have...
Sorry, you need to come up with logic that is more sound than that.
It’s now one week from kickoff. Playing “chicken” with Miami seems a bit, well, far fetched, don’t you think?
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by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he meant...
to trade a tackle or CB for a low round pick, thus clearing the way for us to pull one of our WR off the practice squad. Not agreeing, just what i read in to it.
by jacksastud on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If You Read My Post
Carefully, you’d see I was talking about flipping our guys on the bottom of the roster for low-round draft picks.
by kindablue on Sep 1, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what does that do for the WR corps?
You said
"The price is too high for you? Fine, we’re better equipped to go into Cleveland with two WRs than you are with two tackles. Have a nice day, Mr. Parcells."
How is a team that is supposed to win it’s conference better prepared to open on the road with two WR’s than another team is prepared to do…anything when that team won one game last year? Again I say, playing chicken with a team that has no expectations doesn’t make sense when we’re talking about the WR pool.
Are you really just saying it’s okay to go into Cleveland with just T.O. and Crayton?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Sep 2, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lelie
they guy has done nothing while in the league..I rather just activate danny or mike off the practice squad…
by canty99 on Aug 31, 2008 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sign Chad Jackson
he has the most upside, he has more upside then Ball and marten..
Sign Jackson and release Ball..
"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
open try out..
Have an open try out for Ball’s and Marten spot.. Koren, Chad Jackson, Marcus Monk, and Adrian Arrington and have Gray and Culpepper throw to them..
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you just named the Raiders starting offense!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roydell Williams
The sad story of Roydell Williams. Williams led the Titans in touchdown catches last season (granted, he had only four) and tied for the team lead in receptions, but he needed major ankle surgery this winter and never could get back into the swing of things. Williams reportedly still has a steel plate in his leg and only recently started running again
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...i read that....he could be a mid season pick up.....needs time to heal and regain strength in that ankle..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Aug 31, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres a good article on Bolden
That doesn’t mean that Boldin and Williams don’t have value. But Jerry Jones’ unwillingness to pay a number one price for a number two shows that he has good data at his disposal. If Dallas felt a real need to pursue Boldin, I’d offer Arizona a number one, but no more. Given the fact that Boldin is unhappy with getting $4 million a year, which seems like a fair salary to me given his game, I doubt that he would pout any less if the Cowboys got him and refused to re-work his deal. For that reason, I don’t think he’s worth the potential headache.
If Dallas wants to make the proverbial big splash and get a complement who can be a number one if T.O. gets injured, they’re better off asking about Steve Smith, who beats red corners for an 8.4 YPA.
Me? I’ll wait for Miles Austin to complete his rehab. If he can beat yellow and green corners, and not cost the Cowboys high picks and big money, he’s the best value.
by GimmyJ on Aug 31, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yellow and green corners..
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why we need a legit #2
Here’s what defenses can do to us:
1. Put the #1 CB on Witten – This may not shut Witten’s down but it severely limits his effectiveness
2. Put #2 CB and roll coverage toward T.O. – This can limit his effectiveness. T.O. is great 1 on 1 against the best corners in the league but he has trouble beating double coverage (like when Seattle shut him down with guys like Hunter in the secondary).
3. Put the nickel Corner on Crayton – Crayton made some nice catches last year, but he never dominated any games despite often facing single coverage from a nickel corner. When you can’t rely on your number 2 to consistently beat single coverage against a nickle corner and make opposing defenses pay dearly, the defense has the option of seriously limiting your top 2 receivers.
If we had a legit #2, defenses couldn’t roll coverage toward T.O. They would have to cover him 1-on-1 with their #1 CB. This opens the game up for T.O, Witten, and Crayton. We did really well last year, but it would have been even better if we had a legit #2 receiver. Last year, defenses had to respect Stallworth for NE (He’s a legit #2 even if he didn’t put up huge numbers). That opened the game up for Moss and Welker.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 1, 2008 3:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not going to happen
We aren’t bringing anyone in.
Wait you think the reason Moss and Welker had good seasons last year is because Stallworth was playing the #2 spot? Come on- Moss being the best WR in the game, Brady’s line giving him 5 seconds to throw, and Brady being the top qb in the game is the reason why Moss and Welker had a good season.
Did you see Crayton in the Pre-Season he was getting busy against those nickel corners you mentioned. Once Austin and Hurd return from injury we will be fine, for the time being expect a lot of catches for the TE’s and RB’s. If you put a the best
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton dominated in the Rams game
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He had a field day against the Rams
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Sep 1, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should, He played against a guy they signed the tuesday before off the street
by Deke on Sep 1, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what, that didn't help us in the Seattle playoff loss 2 yrs ago
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, he was a stud in the Ram game
and a bum in the seattle game, is that your point!!! Or are you saying Romo sucked in the game against the depleted Seattle defense…. and was good against the completely depleted rams team…. So, what point are you trying to make again??
by Deke on Sep 1, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point was....
That “JimmyJohnson” (if that is your real name….) said Crayton NEVER dominated a game….To which Terry and I responded that he did indeed dominate the Rams game. I think terry was trying to say that in the seattle game,their entire defensive backfeild was literally signed the week of the game….(pete hunter ring a bell??) and It,in the end didn’t matter….We lost!
No one said Crayton sucked or Romo sucked in that game….in reality Terry Glenn Sucked…..If not for his fumble on the one yard line…we win going away. Romo…BTW…Looked awesome up until our ill fated FG attempt. He drove us the length of the feild and put us in a position to win.
To make a short story long:
1.Romo does not suck
2.Crayton has the ability to dominate every once in a while
3.Terry glenn lost the seattle game….And Romo damn near pulled it out.
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Sep 1, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VS. Rams
Crayton had
7 Receptions for 184 yards and 2 touchdowns.
He caught TD passes of 37 and 59 yards.
Some might call it dominating.
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Sep 1, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And What did I disagree with
He should, He played against a guy they signed the tuesday before off the street
man, What part of what I said isn’t clear……
The rams as a team were completely depleted when Dallas played them, try not to make it as if Crayton is the second coming of Randy Moss…… I didn’t say he didn’t have a good game but lets be clear, he was playing against a scrub corner that was signed off the street four days prior. I would expect Crayton to have a good game.
And as far as the Seattle game, lets put the blame where it belongs, that’s none of the above with regards to your list. It was the poor play calling and not opening up this offense, that would be on Bill Parcells… they should of attacked the seattle defense early and often through the air….
by Deke on Sep 1, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember anyone saying
That
try not to make it as if Crayton is the second coming of Randy Moss…
No ones making Crayton into anything he’s not.
But he did dominate THAT GAME.
He had nothing to do with the rams player selection nor there injuries.
He played against the man they lined him up against.
I don’t truly think that you “Expected” a 7 reception 184 yard 2 TD performance from Patrick….I know I didn’t!
As for Seattle….We lost because of a botched FG Attempt….pure and Simple!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Sep 1, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey you forgot to mention how awesome Barbie Carpenter was in that losing effort
:-)~
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not Moss
He is above average 2nd WR, who makes plays.. This is only his second year as the number 2 WR..
I agree we had that seattle game won. The Terry Glenn fumble comes to mind and the BS overturn of Wittens 1st down..
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean average #2
or even below. I’ll give him a good #3 Wr. We just better hope that TO doesn’t go down because Crayton will get shut down quicker than a fat lady at a buffett.. :)
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol....+1
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Boyz
My apologies. I shouldn’t have acted like a jerk off. We all want the same things as cowboys fans. We can’t all agree on everything, but in the end we want our team to succeed. It got a little carried away and I was wrong. Sometimes my opinions are a little strong. If anything I should go off on the Eagles blog…lol. I hope were cool from now on….
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got no problems....we're cool...I just like razzin' people up..
Me and you have the same form of writing style, sometimes we may both come off as arrogant,, or proposed -know it alls, but when it comes down to it…we’re rabid Cowboys fans that absorb anything, and everything Cowboys…I’ve been following this team for over 30 years…I played in pads for a dozen more, I coached a half dozen more…..I know you know the game, As I know I know the game…We may not always agree, but i still enjoy your input, and occasional razzin’…Cuz that gives us something to write about….You, Me, Terry, Deke, etc. etc…we all have the same passion for this team, there is no fan bigger than the next here…There are hard core football fanatics here…there is going to be jeers and zingers being tossed around…it happens…if we were at the local tavern and some Eagles fan was talkin trash…you bet your azz he’s going to get the full assault of my arsenal…….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
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by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kumbaya
LOL
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Sep 2, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hakuna Matada!
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
HaHaHa
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by TrueBlue24 on Sep 2, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am telling you
He is in the top 15 as a #2 WR.. He is the best #2 Wr in our division..
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Randel El
Our division has weak Wr’s. One team plays a west coast style that normally doesn’t require excellent Wr’s, but one can argue that. I would take Randel El as our #2 over Crayton in a second. He would be a lethal #2 in this offense with his speed and special teams abilty. He is fast, has excellent hands, runs great routes and can throw the ball. He would really excel in this offense.
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lethal?
never had more then 3 td’s in a season, he speed isn’t translating in to scores..
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The player is talented, but
overpaid no question about it, but I would’ve liked to see what he could do in this offense.
Crayton is solid. Heck, I drafted him in fantasy, but we should’nt stop looking for a upgrade at the 2 spot is what I’m saying. I think Jerry will try to do that next off season.
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next years initial crop- free agent WR's
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Lee Evans, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante’ Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Roy Williams, UFA, Detriot Lions
Roydell Williams, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Cedrick Wilson, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Then you got the draft:
Crabtree
Maclin
Harvin
Robiskie
Murphy
etc…………..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TJ will never make it to FA
They will tag him or he will get a new contract, I would think. It would be nice though.
Roy Williams would be my pick out of the group followed by Lee Evans. Those two would be more realistic over TJ. I still think Boldin can be had next off season for the right price.
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee Evans
I’ll take Lee Evans. He would be GREAT with Romo..
I think if Lions are out of it by the trade deadline they will deal Roy Williams..
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cincy just freed up over 10 million in cap space over the weekend....
look for them to possbly extend TJ real soon…and if they were smart (like they’re ever smart) they’d rework CJ as well…
otherwise there will be mass explosion in that camp….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good info
I am interested to see what the current FA list looks like..
Oakland scooped Leilie and has Chad Jackson coming in.. The under 4.4 wr squad? Al Davis loves speed……………………………………..
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you notice Hurd is on that list....contract year for him...
better show something this year or more than likely won’t be resigned…………columbo, canty, johnson, burnett, hurd……last in the peckin’ order….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 1, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Hurd but I think your right on that one
He has to kick it up a notch to get a new contract. Austin will surpass him as the #3 Wr once he comes back and he is not looking back.
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 2, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it wasn't for the injury
I think he was going have a real impact. Miles Austin may beat him back..
What kind of contract can Hurd command?
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by Wmillion on Sep 2, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it great
that Dallas drafted this QB from NW Oklahoma St in the SEVENTH round and they’ve successfully converted him into a contributing WR?
I think that bodes well for what they’re trying to do with Stanback and why they brought in Polk.
That #38 sure should wrap up!
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 15 isn't saying much
and where would he be without TO on the otherside? Can he operate and be a effective Wr with out that threat on the otherside. I really think not. He hasn’t shown that to this point. That’s alot to ask for a 7th round pick. And, for someone approaching 30 yrs. old he is what he is at this point. That’s a solid Wr, but not a threat.
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 15 is saying above average..
That was m point.. Crayton is a threat you take him for granted and you will pay. In his 1st season as #2 he caught 50 balls. Randal El has been 7 yrs and his best year is 51 catches, one better then crayton in crayton’s 1st year as the #2. Crayton will be even better next year.
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Crayton seems to get a bum rap, but he’s a solid performer, I’d draft a good looking WR next April and try to upgrade our WR’s that route.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 2, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With 32 teams...
Top 15 says nothing. If he is at the bottom of that 15, he is truly “average”.
I wonder, who are the best #2’s out there…
Here are some “non-#1” Wr’s I would take over Crayton;
TJ Whozyurmomma
Fitzgerald
Welker
Harrison
Calvin Johnson
Chris Chambers
Greg Jennings
Randle El
Amani Toomer
Reggie Brown
Bryant Johnson
Darrell Jackson
Ronald Curry
Donte Stallworth
Sidney Rice
Michel Jenkins
Ike Hilliard
Shaun McDonald
Reggie Williams
Now, you may argue with some of those, but that’s 19 I picked off the top of my head and there are probably some rookies out there who might stretch the field more and open up room for T.O. and Witten better than Crayton does.
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by 5Blings on Sep 3, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my reply
TJ Whozyurmomma
Fitzgerald-
Welker
Harrison
Calvin Johnson
Chris Chambers- He is the #1
Greg Jenning-He is the #1, but I would take driver-
Randle El-nope, doesn’t get in the end zone enough
Amani Toomer-no way, he slower then Crayton
Reggie Brown-he had a chance to be the 1, Crayton would have better stats if he had the looks
Bryant Johnson-nope, he might not even start for SF, he should be the 1 in SF.
Darrell Jackson-no way, injury prone, terrible hands
Ronald Curry-nope
Donte Stallworth-agreed
Sidney Rice-young with a lot of talent, I call it a push, but he was basically the 1 last year.
Michel Jenkins-plenty of chances to be the man and still has never had a better season then Crayton
Ike Hilliard-he is less explosive then crayton
Shaun McDonald-he is good, but couldn’t play on the outside.
Reggie Williams-he is the #1
I got you a 8, maybe 9, so Crayton is better then I thought, top 10
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by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back at you...
Chambers may be a #1, but then I would surely take vince Jackson, so it’s a non-issue.
Same goes for Driver and Jennings.
Toomer gets open against good CB’s. Crayton struggles.
Randle El is certainly more scary to opposing DC’s than Crayton.
Reggie Brown has had incosistency at QB. He would flourish in Dallas.
Johnson is bigger and faster than Crayton. I would take him.
Curry has been a #3 and has played with boneheads at QB and still made more big plays than Crayton.
Rice is the #2 this year.
How can you say that about Jenkins when he’s been a victim of Vick’s inability to pass the ball? And then had to deal with the train wreck at QB last year? Come on, he is a better talent than Crayton.
Hilliard had more catches and yards than Crayton last year, but I’ll concede he is not necessarily an upgrade.
If Reggie williams is the #1, then certainly I would take Jerry Porter instead. Wouldn’t you?
Your turn…
;-)
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by 5Blings on Sep 3, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Porter is hurt again
And Crayton had a better season last year then he did..
About the other guys I already gave my opionon on them.
Vincent Jackson upside is tremendous, but where is the production, with that said I would take him over Crayton..
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by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better look again...
Crayton went for 50 catches, 697 yards and 7 scores on the league’s 3rd ranked offense.
Porter had 44 catches for 705 yards and 6 scores last year on the league’s 25th ranked offense. Oh, and here is who threw him the ball;
Andrew Walter
Josh McCown
Jamarcus Russell
Daunte Culpepper
Tell me again who had the better year?
Regardless, Porter is the better talent.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Sep 3, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crayton had more TD's and Receptions
As the 3rd option, and Jerry porter was the 1st option.. So Crayton had the better season..
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by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
average would be
16-18 IMO.
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by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for you
TJ, Fitzy, and Harrison are #1 receivers playing along side another #1 receiver, and CJ will soon become a #1 receiver.
Also Jennings is GBs #1 receiver, not Driver.
The rest of the players you list are not better than Crayton.
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by Terry on Sep 3, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great point
Those guys would all be one’s on
Minnestoa
Chicago
NYJ
Miami Dolphins
Tampa Bay
just to name a few
I am sorry, but a guy catching 80+ balls, 1k plus yds, and 10+ TD’s is not #2 WR.. Any given sunday these guys are the #1 WR..
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by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're absolutely correct
I don’t know why some fans can’t understand that a team can have two #1 receivers, instead in of a true #1 and #2.
Most teams can’t afford to have 2 #1 receivers and quite frankly I don’t think its necessary.
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by Terry on Sep 3, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do absolutely nothing
T.O., Witten and Crayton are our receivers, our backups will heal and get better in time, so long as we don’t have anymore injuries, we’ll be just fine.
I wouldn’t push the panic botton unless one of our top 3 receivers get hurt.
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by Terry on Sep 1, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My take
If we can’t trade for a player like a Boldin then I say we don’t do anything.
TO isn’t hurt, Crayton isn’t hurt, Witten isn’t hurt, Barber isn’t hurt, Felix isn’t hurt, Tellus isn’t hurt. That’s a lot of weapons people. Out of all those the only one that would majorly concern me would be TO because of what we witnessed last year. Bringing in any non elite WR at this point to me is pointless. If we make a move I want it to be a BIG MOVE that will help us at receiver for years to come, not just a gap fill. TO is getting older and while he’s definitely still got it you have to wonder how much longer he’ll be primed for. I say get a big time receiver if possible and draft the best one on the board next draft.
cliffs: No big time receiver, no deal. We have plenty of weapons and no decent guy will be able to fill TO’s shoes if he goes down.
by sublimezg on Sep 1, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to fill TO's shoes
If TO goes down, the season is pretty much over. Finding someone who can stand in for him is a long-term project.
But finding a number 2 who can relegate Crayton to his proper role as a #3 slot guy does not require Boldin. A decent guy can definitely fill Crayton’s shoes.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 1, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Exactly
When will you people open your eyes and take the Cowboys blinders off? Didn’t everyone see what happened last season with TO not on the field. We are in serious trouble if TO goes down. No more double teams or rolling coverage to that side. They would shut down Witten with double coverage and we know what threat Crayton would pose..lol Crayton is a #3 Wr in this league period! For everyone sake let’s hope nothing happens to TO because it’s going to get ugly…
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to add to that
I’m not saying we need to do anything this year, because it’s too late now. Next off season we need to seriously make a push for Boldin or Roy Williams or even draft a Wr high in the draft. Crabtree….not likely, but would be nice….
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by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We can continue to look to upgrade the WR position, but that doesn’t mean Crayton isn’t good..
Good example is Indy.. they have a #2 and drafted a Wr in the 1st round. I think we need to do the same and continue to prepare for future..
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by Wmillion on Sep 1, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just do not understand
Why it is more important to have Marten or Ball on the roster than having a #3 WR. At the rate our WRs have been going down, we will be lucky to get out of Cleveland with Crayton and TO healthy. This is reckless and stupid on management’s part, unless they KNOW that our dinged up guys will be back very soon (and Stanback has to be able to play in week 1).
Right now we need to just make a move to ensure we can run a NFL offense for the first game of the season. I don’t understand how Keith Davis or Brooks Bollinger or whoever takes priority over that.
by grapejoos on Sep 1, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the difference
Davis will be here for the entire year so they are getting his contract done now. If the right QB at the right price wants to sign this week as the #3 I think they get that done too. Otherwise they wait until after week 1. If they bring in another receiver it will be after week 1 so we aren’t stuck with his contract for the remainder of the year. The exception to that is if they decide to put Stanback on IR because he cant play with the brace on his shoulder. If that happens then they can pull the trigger on another receiver before week 1 because they will then need that receiver for the remainder of the year. The Cowboys have 5 receivers they knew wouldn’t make it through waivers, TO, Crayton, Austin, Hurd and Stanback. Despite our own biases there was an excellent chance of Jefferson and/or Amendola making it through waivers (as they did). Those two are our week 1 insurance. One of then will get activated for the game in Cleveland if there is ANY question in the coaches minds about Stanback being able to go week 1, IMO. Keeping the extra linemen and DBs is all about tradebait, again IMO.
by WB3forMB3 on Sep 1, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Stanback news is encouraging
If the team is sure that he can play, then I understand this a little more. I am still concerned, but slightly less so. Frankly the whole “getting stuck with his contract” thing has never resonated with me. I don’t care if Jerry has to spend $1m for one game of work, as long as it helps insure against disaster. I guess Jerry does care, but it’s a funny place to draw the line. You gotta protect your assets, and this is basically leaving our top 2 WRs out to dry.
I’ll step away from the ledge a little, because I think Jefferson can be a passable #4 for one or two games, but I really don’t get this team’s priorities sometimes. I can’t imagine Alan Ball is trade bait. The guy was a 7th round pick and he’s no better than that would imply.
by grapejoos on Sep 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1!
Why is this so difficult?
And how many people will have the same opinion on this topic if Dallas can’t keep pace with the Cleveland offense this Sunday and come up losing?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Sep 2, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland's offense is going to crumble to the might of our awesome Defense...
I see Anderson going down with another concussion…….bring in the Mighty Quinn….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
by BoyzRback on Sep 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Poll Results
…are interesting.
45% of respondents think we SHOULD make some sort of move to get a viable veteran WR on the roster. 39% say stand pat.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Sep 3, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so basically a split.
Not suprised, but it is too late to grab one without paying a kings ransom.
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
by Wmillion on Sep 3, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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