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Steve Smith anyone??

There have been rumblings out of Panthers camp that club officials are fed up with Smith's actions (not just the latest incident) and are at least considering the idea of dealing him to another team.

The idea of trading one of the best receivers in football seems far-fetched, but Smith has become a divisive force on the team. One Panthers source said that several defensive backs were walking around after the recent incident saying that if management didn't discipline Smith, they would. This isn't exactly the best way to begin a season.

All that to say that I know an owner in the NFC East who has spent the last four months coveting another star wide receiver. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones struckout with Chad Johnson, the Lions' Roy Williams and Anquan Boldin, but behind closed doors, he's still pining away for someone to play opposite Terrell Owens.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-2-22/Smith-to-the-Cowboys-.html

This is the kind of number two established speed receiver Dallas needs opposite T.O to open up the other side of the field since Glenn was cut. If Dallas is one number two receiver away, and I think Jerry thinks that, I would make the call to Carolina to see what the availability is for Smith since things are strained at the very least there after he punched Lucas in the face and broke his nose after the two got in a jawing session on the sidelines.. I'd throw our first  first round pick and a later round pick or a player at them.

 Smith is a high strung player but was very apologetic after the incident.

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I would do it but only if the right deal opens up. We should not get very excited because of all the rumors this offseason regarding Roy Williams (Det) Chad Johnson and Boldin.

by Monkey Brain on Aug 4, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

If

there is something to this rumor, you can bet King Jerry has already made a call inquiring about the services of Mr. Smith, just don’t let him break T-New’s nose

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Aug 4, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

NO

All the chances the Cowboys took on players were for men who were good on the field and in the locker room (TO not withstanding), but had problems off the field. The Cowboys then paired up the troubled player with Clavin Hill and other good role models to help them change their lives. Smith has got too much of a temper problem and is not someone you can depend on. I know people will try to compare him to TO, but TO wasn’t going to punch you in the huddle.

I also don’t think the Cowboys are the only team that would want him. That’s part of the humbling experience to these guys, knowing that if they screw up with the Cowboys, there is no more NFL for them.

And the price would be too much. All the other reclamation projects were low risk/high reward chances. If the Panther’s cut him, and no other team wanted him, that would allow Jerry to lowball him and get him here cheap. Then it MIGHT be worth it.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 4, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Panthers

Panthers will never cut Smith.

by Monkey Brain on Aug 4, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Panthers aren't going to cut him

and he’s not a reclamation project. You cant depend on him, where are you getting that from? T.O was far worse..

The guy is a top notch receiver, lucas and Smith haven’t got along since Lucas got there so I think its’ premature to say it was all Smith’s fault. Both were jawing at each other on the sidelines and it got out of hand, There are fights in training camps every day.

by Deke on Aug 4, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mor ethan just TC spat

Apparently Smith sucker punched him afterwards, while Lucas had his helmet off and was taking a knee. It sounds to me like it was a pre-meditated act, not just a heat of the moment thing.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 Deke

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont see the Panthers just cutting him

This is not a fringe player. He IS their offense. No, they are going to want something for him, especially since he just signed a 6 year deal last year. And that’s assuming they could afford the cap hit of the remaining $7.75 million signing bonus acceleration. Plus, I would be very concerned with him accepting his role on this team, namely being the third receiving option after T.O. and Witten. This guy seems to have at least as big an ego as T.O. and alot less self control to boot. Also, Im not sure exactly how much cap room we have and he’s due a $6 million roster bonus + $1.75 million base salary this season.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell no

This is literally the last guy I would want on this team. World class talent, punk-a** attitude this is not the kind of guys we need. You really think this guy will come in humble like Pac man and Tank and accept his role at #2? Yeah, right. Plus, the Panthers would be crazy to get rid of him, if they have any hope for this season.

by Billito on Aug 4, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you kidding me ?? ....I'd give a King's temple of jewels for this guy....I was going to post on this the other day...

If I were to say there is one ideal receiver in the entire league that would complement Terrell Owens, as a speedy, tough, deep threat that would tear up this league for many many years with our dynamic offense…It would be Steve Smith….he is by far the best posible choice to be our #2 (better than C Johnson, R Williams, A Boldin).....and eventual #1 304 years from now…...he’s got a temper ? he’s a bad team guy ? he wouldn’t fit in here ??? please….that’s easily rectified when your winning…and winning consistantly…...he’s been hamper on a team with NO QB’s, NO WR’s, and NO RB’s….for years….He is NOT some sort of distraction or off the field misfit….he’s a competitor….plain and simple…..When I heard he busted that dude’s nose…...first thing that came to my mind is….....JERRY…...WHATEVER IT TAKES…...GET STEVE SMITH OVER HERE…
I’d say with Steve Smith added to this already potent offense….This would be far and away the most talented Offense of ALL TIME….....and a virtual lock to win the next 3 Super Bowls if kept intact without injuries…

I’d be willing to give up a 1st plus a player, plus another high rounder 2nd-3rd…..or 2 1st rounders…..whatever it took…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

No way Boyz

Look dude, obviously the guy is hugely talented and based on talent alone, he would make the cowboys offense unstoppable. I am not argueing that, I am saying the guy has and has had serious anger problems with TEAMMATES and he would absolutely destroy this team’s chemistry.

Check this out –

Smith, a three-time All-Pro, has been in this situation before, as six years ago he punched out fellow WR Anthony Bright during a film session and was suspended for a game. Bright filed a civil suit, which was settled out of court. Smith also attacked a teammate in the preseason of that same season. He subsequently underwent anger management counseling

Boy, those counseling sessions sure paid off!! Pass on this guy, let Hurd and Austin tear it up.

by Billito on Aug 4, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was six years ago, it wasn't yesterday

thus far Hurd and Austin haven’t torn anything up when it counts

by Deke on Aug 4, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The debate

Went something like this “should we trade steve smith” ? Three seconds later everyone broke out in to laughter..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol W.....they would be nuts to trade him......but.....dangle 2- 1st rounders...they may bite..

I’ll take my chances on some 5’11” 190lbs tough guy with a bad attitude…...one smack across the face from Bigg Davis, Flozell Adams, or Tank Johnson….should put him right back in line…..trust me..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right Deke

that was six years ago, not yesterday. Yesterday he was sucker punching a helmet-less teammate while the guy was taking a knee. I missed your point – he is maturing or becoming more vicious?

by Billito on Aug 4, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

first off....you have no clue as to how the actual encounter went down.....a wise tip for you....

always believe half of what you read, and none of what you hear…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

check out every story on the internet. I get that the media sometimes fabricates but the facts are 1. Lucas had no helmet and 2. they were on the sidelines not playing. Thanks for the tip and I have one in return – there is a difference between being skeptical and being blind.

by Billito on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

either did smith

there was no sucker punch, they were both arguing on the sideliines and both throwing punches, so apparently you’re the blind one??

by Deke on Aug 4, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 ......As I just scanned over Panthers.com.....

Question and Answer with Head Coach Fox:

On if he got an explanation from Smith on what triggered the incident:

Fox-Like I said, I don’t want to air this out in the media. There were conversations. It was an act that was inexcusable and it can’t happen.

Which clearly shows that they were jawin’ back and forth, hence I am sure Lucas was clearly cognitive of his words and actions that may come forth from them….....helmut off, knee on the sidelines…..doesn’t matter…..he was flappin’ his lips, and Smith kicked his ass…..period…

NOWHERE is there a syndicated article that states otherwise….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come On!

I appreciate your passion Boyz, but didn’t you just tell Billito to believe half of what he reads and none of what he hears? Then you use a non-comment quote from Fox to make your point? He even qualifies his remarks by saying isnt going to air it out via the media!

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Plus..

you keep ignoring the fact that Lucas wasn’t suspended. If it was going both ways and was just as much Lucas’ fault why didnt he get suspended too?

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

cuz he took one shot to the nose and it was lights out....IF...and only IF Smith didn't land a punch to Lucas's nose...I ASSURE you Lucas would have retaliated by throwing blows back......

and what are you talking about with non comment quote ??....he (Fox) clearly said: ” there were conversations”- meaning they were conversing back and forth, Lucas could have easily said “I did your mama” or something else that would provoke a violent response….and the same “quoted” comment clearly states that the media will not be privey to the facts at hand as to what provoked or instigated the altercation…..so you have no legit knowledge of how it exactly went down…..WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF MY POSTINGS…..and an action I’ve seen way tooo much on here and in the media in general…...I’m a guy who bases my opinion on facts….and nothing but the facts…..unless SOMEONE, ANYONE can produce a creditable source stating Lucas was completely blindsided, and had absolutely no clue a punch was coming torwards him, I don’t want to hear about it from totally misinformed fellow bloggers on a very respectable blog site like this one.
p.s-Please let’s not try to tear down the character of a 4 year TEAM CAPTAIN, and the best and most competitive player in the history of the Panther franchise….., over two mishaps or incidences that span 6 years apart…...
I have personally broke the noses of at least 6 guys in my life, all in self defense…mind you….......it doesn’t make me a pariyah or malcontent or misfit that can’t function in a social setting or on an team orientated activity…. please….fact is…if his nose wasn’t broken…..this would have been a complete non issue…as Deke was trying to get across…...two teammates that don’t like each other, and can’t get along…....lol…...it does exist people….in fact….one of the noses i spoke of breaking in my past…..was also a teammate of mine….. :-)~

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

No who's speculating?

You ASSURE us that it was one punch and lights out for Lucas, yet eye witness accounts say different.

“A scuffle ensued and punches were thrown as teammates and coach John Fox charged in to break up the fight. Linebacker Jon Beason had to pull Smith away from Lucas. It took several people to restrain the men and restore order.”

Weird how it takes several people to restrain the MEN, not man. Which means it wasn’t lights out for Lucas, which means he did fight back, which means your assurance isnt quiet reassuring, nor accurate.
Also, there have been two PUBLIC incidents regarding Smith, but according to accounts I heard on ESPN radio today there are sources that are now saying there have been a total of four incidents with Smith. Now granted, this is from “unamed sources” and you have to take those with a grain of salt, but none the less there is an undisputable pattern that is starting to form regarding Smith and his inability to control his temper.
As for what the “conversation” consisted of is irrelevant. Even if Lucas did say “I just did your momma” it doesn’t justify Smith sucker punching his teammate, not even a total stranger, but his TEAMMATE. That is NOT the type of character that team captains should exhibit.
As for you basing your opinions on fact, it seems obvious to me at this point that you ignore the facts that dont fit your opinion. Another reason your assurances do very little for me.
Also, while you are obviously knowledgable about the game of football it does not give you the right to try and belittle people who choose to question your opinions or disagree with you. You dont have some kind of NFL Insider knowledge to base your opinions on, just the same media sources that are available to the rest of us. So in the end your opinions are just that…opinions. And we all know the old adage about opinions and a**holes.
So please, try and tone down your rhetoric, at least until you begin heeding your own advice, thereby gaining some sense of respectability.
Much thanks.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah WB3!

Tell it like it is my brother!!
I didn’t even mean to get into semantics about the whole thing, I just see a dangerous history with Smith and the fact that his worse incident just occured makes him the last guy I would want on a team with such high hopes as the Cowboys.

by Billito on Aug 5, 2008 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

where is this coming from ?

you are condemning this all pro WR, and making him out to be an undesirable player, one we shouldn’t explore obtaining because he got into a training camp skirmish…..if you ruled out every passionate, competitive all star that erupted during camp, you’d eliminate half the playmakers in the league….ask Michael Irvin or TO if they ever got into it during practice with a teammate…..a resounding YES would be the answer….have either been recording fist fighting by media and un named sources….no…..but i’m damn sure there was fireworks…...so the guy threw a punch…...It just so happened to break his nose…..IF his nose wasn’t broken…....nobody would’ve gave a crap…....and i still don’t…....I’d take a fiery Steve Smith on my team anyday, I personally played with the same fire and attitude….do i condone bashing teammates in the face…no….do i know what let up to punches being thrown….nobody does….nobody ever will….........end of subject…....next…....

where i was belittling anyones opinion is clearly an unknown ???

My opinion would be that Steve Smith would make this team the best of all time and win at least 3 SB’s if we were to aquire him…and i believe he’s truely remorseful for his latest antics….and would be a team orientated player striving to win rings if he came here….....your opinion differs…...plain and simple….

I’m trying to understand your reasoning as to why you feel this man would be a cancerous malcontent on our squad.
do you think this of TO, Tank, and Adam Jones as well ????

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re-read my posts

I never condemnded SS. I never said he would be a cancerous malcontent in the locker room. I quite frankly dont know if he would be or not, and neither do you, and neither does anyone else. I simply stated that he sucker punched a teammate and that that is unacceptable behavior regardless of whether you are the lowliest of TC tackling fodder or you are an All-Pro, All-Decade, best to ever play your position, franchise player. I doesn’t matter what words were exchanged between the two leading up to the sucker punch. And yes, I know players get into it at times during practice. I myself got knocked out cold in HS by a good friend of mine who blind siding me well after the coaches blew the whistle. And when I came to and saw him standing over me I went after him and it was on until we were pulled apart. But you keep insisting that this was just a plain-jane TC scuffle when it obviously wasn’t. Im sure John Fox has seen his share of those and knows the difference which is why SS got suspened for two games. If they handed out two game suspensions for every practice field fight most teams wouldn’t be able to field a team on Sundays.
Now, would I look into possibly acquiring SS if I was JJ? Well, hell yeah. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have concerns with his ability to control his anger at this point.
But it’s really a mute point in my opinion because as I originally stated I dont think there’s a snowball’s chance in hell the Panthers will trade him right now because he IS their offense. Plus, it would be a huge cap hit for them.
But IF they were to trade him, and IF he would fit under our salary cap, and IF the trade price was acceptable, and IF he could accept his role as the #2 or #3 guy here then I think you are absolutely right that we could make a run at multiple SBs.
And your also right in that he does seem to be very remorseful of his actions
And yes Boyz, you do attempt to belittle people when they dont agree with you, or more to the point when they debate with you. You write your little condesending remarks about how we should just trust you, or you assure us, or tell us to bank on it or whatever. You act like you are dimissing the the silly whims of a child and quite frankly it’s annoying as hell.
And to answer your last question, I absolutely had reservations when TO was brought in. Thankfully my concerns have proven to have been misfounded. I was never really concerend about Tank and that it was a great pickup from the start. And yes, I had and have concerns with AJ too. Am I encouraged so far with his behavior? You bet, but I still have concerns even though Im pulling for him to get his life straightened out.

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 5, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

my problem is you derive your whole feeling on the subject of Steve Smith with this "sucker punch" theory.....

It takes one man to start a fight, it takes one man to throw the first punch, am i right ? should Steve Smith had told Lucas to stand up, i’m about to throw a round house at your face ? sucker punch , dirty fighter, whatever you wanna call it…....you are making way too much out of the “sucker punch”.......if it was the dreaded “rabbit punch”, would that have made any difference ?.....I’ve only responded to your posts because I found it so amazing your so strung up on the perceived “sucker punch” theory….I could give a crap what kind of punch it was, he obviously started that malee, if Lucas didn’t see it coming….who cares, Lucas still got up and fought…...they don’t like each other…...it happens….you claimewd your best buddy blindsided and cold clocked you….it happens….I’ve beaten up more friends than i’d like to count…...who cares….i guess i’m venting cuz I can…..who cares….....but the fact that you got so worked up over this sucker punch thing annoyed me is all…and i threw in my two cents…..who cares….I’d go to war with Steve Smith on my team…..you yourself now state you’d love to have him on this team after countless posts shredding him apart for being some maniac with anger issues…...who cares….

as far as me belittling people that debate me…...not so fast my friend….if you take whatever i say as belittling or hurtful…i’m sorry….there are a few regular guys on this site that i intentionally throw zingers at, ...it’s cuz I feel, in my opinion, they are usually way off in their assessments, and usually are throwing out their opinions with little or nothing to warrant, back, or merit their validity…...I am a very knowledgable guy when it comes to football, not saying i’m the know it all, and the authority on everything or anything….but be damn sure…when I take a stance based on researched facts, resources, experiences, or feelings…...very few will win a debate with me….If I resort to belittling you…it’s only cuz I know your wrong, and by that point, many others bloggers would know that as well and take my take on the subject…...Just like this subject at hand…...IF you ran a fanshot poll right now….and asked…

Would you like Jerry Jones to pursue a possible trade for all pro WR Steve Smith right now, even knowing that he may have anger issues, and may whine if not the spotlighted player here in Dallas ??

I ASSURE YOU….....over 75% of all respondants would answer YES.

try it …..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smith started the fight and broke his nose, and has a past history....

that is the reason only Smith was suspended….as for me knowing exactly how it exactly went down…..i still don’t, besides what was posted after my initial “one punch” posting,,,,,

dude….i got no prblems what so ever…let’s just cool it on this subject already…..if you read my prior postings more closely..i’m not debating anything…...I’m expressing my desire to get a player of Steve Smith’s caliber on my team….that’s all….

i’m out.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

now i see..

..where your opinion is coming from. you’re trying to justify the fact that you’re a bad teammate as well. :)

by vy til i die on Aug 5, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

reply to vy: No.....quite the opposite....I was a great teammate...

I was actually on the sidelines during practice, with my helmut off, and on one knee and had a teammate in my grill cuz I had injured him on a tackle and he shoved me…..unlike this china doll Lucas….I took control of the matter with one shot to the nose…..end of conversation…..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

not taking Sides

but I have to believe that Smith did something near that, too warant a suspension.. If the two went toe to toe and Lucas got the business, I think nothing would have happened.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a violent game

And in the heat of training camp when players are fighting for jobs and lining up against each other in training camp or someone who is high strung like Smith is and when its clear Smith and Lucas haven’t got along since Lucas arrived, you dont try to goat the other as Lucas did by jawing with Smith, who he already knows has an issue with him. So the blame goes both ways…

by Deke on Aug 4, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

BS

The guy sucker punched his teammate. It wasn’t like these were too scrubs out there trying to make the team. The star WR punched the star CB in the eye while he wasn’t expecting it. That’s why Fox had to sit the team down and specifically warn everyone not to retaliate against Smith. To let the coaches deal with it.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone PLEASE post any article stating the facts, all I keep hearing is "sucker punched" "blindsided" "wasn't expecting it"

I HAVE NOT READ ONE ARTICLE STATING THAT LUCAS didn’t see a punch coming, was sucker punched, or blind sided…....so PLEASE…...SOMEONE SHOW ME PROOF…......ACTUAL PROOF….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

because there isn't one Boyz
According to several eyewitnesses, the two teammates were on the sidelines discussing a play that happened previously at camp. The talks got heated and Smith stood up and slugged Lucas, who was resting on one knee.

A scuffle ensued and punches were thrown as teammates and coach John Fox charged in to break up the fight. Linebacker Jon Beason had to pull Smith away from Lucas. It took several people to restrain the men and restore order.

Neither player was wearing a helmet at the time of the fight

.http://www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=649

Like I said, both were jawing at each other, both had their hemets were off and both were throwing punches.

by Deke on Aug 4, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

that would be a sucker punch

You stand up and punch someone on one knee, that is a sucker punch..

Lucas probably thought there was no way Smith would actually swing on him..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I got out of it

Kneeling on the sideline talking about a play from previously in camp without helmets on. They weren’t out on the field with gear on, shoving each other. immediately after a play. Smith is a freakin jackass, with no impulse control.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point of Order...

If you run your mouth reckless, and both clearly were, be ready to put up, fortune favors the prepared, Steve was prepared…and we may reap a fortune.

by SmittyCityMo on Aug 5, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol....Smitty sums it up right there....so true..always be prepared for anything when tempers flair..

although i doubt we will reap the furtune…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, players do scrap in TC

But you have to admit it’s not every day that a team, of its own accord, suspends its most potent offensive weapon for two games when it’s just a heat of the moment TC scrape. Plus, if it was such a two way street between Lucas and Smith jawing and scrapping why didnt Lucas get suspended too?

by WB3forMB3 on Aug 4, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

no way!!

Have you forgot about Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, and Stanback? What about the salary cap? Before you say get rid of one of these guys (and you wil) what does carolna want for him a number 1, 2, or 3?

TD

by littlewoozy9902 on Aug 7, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you can just hit that chainlink-looking icon, then

paste the story in the box that pops up and hit “submit”.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

that obviously didn’t work for me.

When you find out. lemme know.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks anyway

I think the only way is to ignore the chainlink icon and just copy and paste the link in your post.

by Billito on Aug 5, 2008 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think..

..it might have to be in the text box. The way i hyperlink it is by highlighting a word and then clicking the chain thing and putting the url in like this

by vy til i die on Aug 5, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lemme try

Highlight the word like this

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

talent wise

jackpot! attitude wise not so sure! sounds frustrated to be on a going no where soon team,& wants out.
The Cowboys have a way of changing attitudes!
stop teasn.

by bleedn blu on Aug 4, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

exactly bleedn.....put him on a championship quality team like the Boys will be havin' actin' like a choir boy...

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 4, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is no way in hell they would let him go.

If they did, Jerry would be on all over that. We’re talkin about a top 5 wideout here, I dont care if he’s a part time axe murderer.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 4, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

CO-SIGN

I am sorry, I am not going over think this one either. Steve Smith in cowboy uniform= Super Bowl Champs for the next 2 years.

Carolina wouldn’t trade him and if they did it definitely wouldn’t be to us..

If I am GM, I am not trading him too a team who could easily win the superbowl, the value of that 1st round pick wouldn’t be enough.

If they wanted to trade him they would have been more served fining him and then trying to move him. You suspend your best player if you trying to send a message, hoping he gets that he is not above the team.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks

TO’s our #1 WR

Can’t have Smith and TO on the same team. That wouldn’t work. Smith is too much of a douchebag to accept being a #2 WR. He’s really too much of a D.bag period! I know he has talent, but if his own teammates want to beat the heck out of him, that ought to tell you all you need to know.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Exactly Tom. I give up arguing this point because first of all, Carolina is not going to trade him. Second of all, a training camp fight cannot be compared to sucker punching a teammate who has no helmet on and is standing on the sidelines. This has been reported everywhere so yeah, Boyz, I tend to believe that. Third of all, besides clocking teammates, Smith has let his temper get the best of him during games and he got thrown out a couple of years ago against us so to add it all up, this guy is more trouble than he is worth.

by Billito on Aug 4, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can

We already had 2 guys catch 90+ balls in a season, that is enough balls for Smith.

Witten’s numbers would be the one that suffers..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I love Smith

It’s not happening. Carolina would never give him away; he is the franchise.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Aug 4, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

THIS
As much as I love Smith

It’s not happening. Carolina would never give him away; he is the franchise.

QFT. The guys a talent, but Jerry won’t trade for him, nor should he. Jerry likes to sign a guy to a low risk contract so if he did screw up, it doesn’t affect the team longterm. Without the ability to sign a new contract, I don’t see Jerry bringing him here. The Panthers won’t trade him and they certainly wouldn’t release him.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 4, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would love to have him

And I think it would actually work with him and T.O. But it would take way too much to get him. Not worth mortgaging the future.

Plus, like it’s been said—Panthers aren’t nuts. Steve Smith is the offense.

Championship...believe it!

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/them_boys

by accidental innuendo on Aug 4, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

They'd probably want a 1st and a 3rd

or something even more ludicrous with the low draft picks the Cowboys are expected to have.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Underline message

That I read on hear, is know one believes Smith will be traded..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

It would kill any hope they might have going into the season

I’m sure the Carolina fan base would be in full scale revolt before the team even got on the field.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 60%/40% towards NOT acquiring Smith.

He is a very, very talented football player with alot of heart and passion to be great, but it seems that, like what happened with Deangelo Hall last year and against the Cowboys a coupla years ago, his threat can be nullified by simply pissing him off.
Then he gets a penalty.
Then he gets ejected.
Then he gets fined.
He’s suspended for 2 games now BY THE TEAM. That’s bad chemistry for this laid back bunch in Big D.

p.s. I’d trade for him in Madden, though.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Speaking of WR's

I thought Glenn was supposed to sign with Miami a couple of days ago??

I find it a little odd.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I cant believe

Everyone is all uptight about a sideline scuffle. Dont you want somebody on your team who aint afraid? If Ken Lucas knew how to fight this would be just another “good old training camp scuffle.”

But since Steve Smith can bang, and Lucas cant. Smith is the bad guy. They oughtta suspend Lucas for bumpin his gums and gettin whooped.

I can tell you somethin else too. You know who lost the most respect in that locker room? Lucas. Think about it, any disagreement he has with anyone from now on is gonna end with “Shut up ‘for I get Steve!”

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 5, 2008 12:41 AM CDT reply actions  

i don't think so..

I read earlier that the defense was saying that Fox needed to punish Smith or else they would..looks like they support Lucas

by vy til i die on Aug 5, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nate Newton on Steve Smith

Nate Newton was on KTTB with David Smoak (M3U) today and has some really good insights into this situation. He has seen Smith be volatile and angry on the field on a level beyond any of the other “troubled” players the Cowboys have taken in, and also points out that:

we don’t have that many balls now… [names T.O., Witten, PC, MB3, Felix] people say you can’t have enough good players, that’s cornerbacks… but you can get too many guys on offense, that Steve Smith would not be satisfied, I doubt we could eat up his contract.

That might be true with any real top WR across from T.O. but you need the personality who can fit in with a lot of other high powered weapons. when you combine limited touches on a team with so many weapons with a very volatile, angry player, he could become extremely disruptive.

by scottmaui on Aug 5, 2008 2:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly scottmaui

and the big reason I was for bringing in Tank and Pacman is that they were both very young players who screwed up big time and almost lost everything. This allowed us a chance to get them at low risk contracts knowing that one more strike would boot them out of the league.

Smith is a highly paid, all-pro who is used to being #1 and clearly has serious anger issues. I don’t care what anyone on this blog says, punching out a teammate on the sidelines is not a training camp brawl, it is a giant red flag and J. Jones has done too much positive this offseason to add a time bomb like Smith to our roster.

by Billito on Aug 5, 2008 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

But T.O gets a pass for his fight in the Eagles dressing room

The same guy who destroyed two locker rooms, the same guy who berated the offensive coordinator on the sidelines when 49’ers played the Falcons, the same guy who called his quarterback, GAY, the same guy who didn’t file his paperwork for free agency and then Balked at a traded to baltimore, the same guy that was late for treatment and missed meetings and was late to meetings in Dallas,wow that guy gets a free pass by cowboy fans, but an allpro receiver who punch a team mate, after the two have been going at it since Lucas arrived in Carolina, we dont want him though!!!! Fights are common in training camps, and the first thing players are told, dont take your helmets off in practice, 80 players are fighting for 53 roster spots, things will get testy and fights will break out, Ratliff and Columbo have gone at it with others and had to be broken up last year. The raiders have had fights almost every day in Camp. Smith had two fights in seven years in the league, that makes you have anger issues!!!!!! Its a full contact game, that happens, especially in training camp.

I’ve said he’s a high strung player, smaller guys are usually that way, because they have to fight to get anywhere and respect because everyone points out their small stature. His teammates knew that so why would one try to start something with a guy you already know has a short fuse. Maybe he’s tired of being the lead guy, maybe he’s tired of being on a team that looks like its ready for an overhaul. Maybe he wishes he had some help on offense since for years, he was the guy, I dont know, but to throw out that he wouldn’t work here because he woudn’t be the lead guy is laughable. This team as it is, is too top heavy depending on T.O and Witten, the ball needs to be spread out more, and if the cowboys were to trade for Smith, and that’s a big IF since its all speculation at this point, because we dont know for sure that Carolina is willing to trade him, but having a legitmate number two speed receiver on the opposite side of the field would not only help this offense because of his speed to stretch the field and open things up underneath but would balance the passing game even more making the offense even more dangerous.

We gave away two draft picks for Pac-rat, that not exactly low cost, two picks when no one else was even bidding for him.

by Deke on Aug 5, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just because Steve Smith has classic case of "Small man syndrome"

It’s ok for him to attack teammates that say something he doesn’t like?

That doesn’t excuse his behavior or justify his actions.

I never heard of Aaron Glenn, Darrell Green, or the hundreds of other smaller players attacking teammates or getting thrown out of games.

This guy has a real impulse control problem. He’s never going to be a member of the Cowboys, so why bother discussing it any more.

It would be nice to have a legit deep threat on the team, and maybe the Cowboys younger WR’s can step into that role. Like I said before, it’s not a make or break issue. It’s more important that the running game improves, and it should be better this season.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 5, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

WOW, It's not a make or break issue!!!!!!

T.O went down last year at the end of the season, a guy who has missed time every year over the last five seasons, with T.O out, the cowboys offense in the last four games of the seaosn last year went from 28 points per game to 12, and you dont consider that a problem!!!

I agree the running game has to be more consistant, hudson hauck will help that a great deal, but if this team loses T.O or Witten for any length of time, this offense will suffer, period. People can talk all day long about Hurd and Austin, and what they’ve done in training camp, but thus far in the season when they did get reps, they haven’t done anything. I wouldn’t put all my eggs into the Hurd/Austin basket, that’s wishfull thinking at this point.

by Deke on Aug 5, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah Deke, I heard your wind blow before

regarding Romo, just try being optimistic for a change, then maybe you won’t need so much Captain.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 5, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW, where did I say anything about Romo in my post

It’s the fact when you take one of his weapons away and the other is doubled, that changes and effects the offense, thats not a aslight against Romo, it’s about getting him more weapons.

Itold you last year about Romo’s footwork in the pocket and his throwing motion from the pocket. He threw better on the move than from the pocket, for which your response was, you’re just a Romo hater. It’s funny what I said last is exactly what Romo was working on in the offseason. The same when I told you Reeves and Jones were nothing more than Spares last year, funny they’re gone too. Remember I told you about Roy for three years now, his time is running out too. The Giants were thee most dangerous team heading into the playoffs Maybe you should try listening to that wind..LOL!

Its easy just to sit there as you do and think we shouldn’t find a younger developing backup because Romo will be fine, or Hurd and Austin will step up, how you come to that logic, is beyond me. One hit of his hand on a linemen’s helmet, or someone rolling on his leg tearing a knee and Romo could be gone for the season.

I seen what happen to this offense when T.O was injured, and with no other number two legitmate receiver on this roster, and apparently jerry, the one you love as a GM thinks the same thing. lIke I said I would not be surprised to see Dallas bring in a veteran receiver, thats not saying they will, but the only thing I’m worried about on this offense is a legitimate number two receiver in case of the reasons I stated before. It’s all about making sure you have a plan in case of injuries to the starters.

Dont read to much into what the coaches and Jerry says about the receivers on this team after T.O and Crayton, This is the same guy(jerry) who said Terry Glenn was making progress and running routes in the spring with no effect, he is no longer on the roster.Jerry is the same guy who said three days before the draft that he wouldn’t draft a kicker, four days later, they draft Folk.

You like to call ESPN, BSPN. Just remember, 10% of what jerry says to the media is true, 90% is BS…

I’m very optimistic about this team, I’ve said that already. I’m just covering all the bases, I put forth the Smith as a question, not saying it will happen, but if Carolina thinks of trading smith, jerry will be first inline.You’re still drinking the Koolaid at the kiddies table, the adults are drinking the the captain. LOL!!

Here’s another wind tidbit I think might happen, Watkins doesn’t make this team.

by Deke on Aug 5, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow Deke

Why do you think Watkins won’t make the team? You think that Davis or Brown would make the team over Watkins? I don’t know exactly what to make of Watkins but the article the other day about him didn’t exactly make it seem like he was lighting up TC. Is that what you are basing your “wind” on? LOL

by Billito on Aug 5, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think that because of what Brown has shown

thus far in camp. I’m just not all that high on Watkins, never was, as some here are. I think he’s a very good specal teams player but really nothing more than a backup safety at best, and with all the gunners that are now on this team, unless he really stands out in the preseason games, I think he may be gone.

by Deke on Aug 5, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watkins

Isn’t going any where, you need the Safety depth..

Plus he is Special teams beast..

I am high on Watkins, but if someone outplays him and takes his spot- So be it..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 5, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought they were going to make him ST Captain.
I think he’s a very good specal teams player but

Isn’t he taking over for Keith Davis?

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're way off base Deke

Watkins makes the team easy because he’s our best ST player, just like Keith was when he was here. You don’t cut your best ST player.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

rolling with 3 safety's?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 6, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watkins is ahead of Brown

Watkins is not going anywhere. I’ll go out on a limb right now and say Hamlin (SS) and Watkins (FS) will be the two starting safties on this team next year. Brown has a long ways to go before he has a shot at starting.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 6, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol....Cowboys81....a day late with reading the news i see....once again..

Courtney Brown is the backup safety getting all the reps with the first team dime package my friend…..keep up with the times my friend..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 6, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Says where?

Doesn’t mean squat any way. They move players from first team, second team, third team all the time in traning camp just like any other position.

Haven’t you figured that out yet?.

Watkins is behind Hamlin on the depth chart.

Brown is the #3.

Better GET with the times…...

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

umm..and to correct you once again Boyz

Courtney is playing SS, not FS. He is the backup to Roy Williams it appears.

July 30th 2008

I don’t even have to watch this afternoon’s practice before declaring this as the Play of the Day. This might have been the most spectacular play of camp.

SS Courtney Brown was manning his zone in the middle of the end zone when Tony Romo tried to loft a pass to Patrick Crayton. When the ball left Romo’s hand, it looked like a pass that would sail out of bounds or be snared by a leaping Crayton in the back of the end zone. Except Brown read Romo’s eyes, timed his jump perfectly and went way up to snatch the pass out of the air.

Brown needed every bit of his 41.5 inch vertical leap - you read that right - to make this play. It was a phenomenal display of athleticism by a guy with top-of-the-charts speed and hops.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/play-of-the-day-courtney-brown-goes-sky.html

Doesn’t have strong safety with strong coverage skills sound good? But don’t get your hopes up that Brown will replace Roy Williams as the starter, at least not this season. First, Brown has to stick on the roster. And that’s no sure thing, as secondary coach Dave Campo explains after the jump.
“Courtney is kind of up and down a little bit right now, because he’s a young player who has moved from [Cal Poly] cornerback to safety,” Campo said. “But you saw that play in the end zone today. That’s the kind of play he can make. He’s fast, he’s athletic, he can jump, he can catch the ball, he has great hands.”

You stand corrected….

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 7, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

stand corrected where ???? SS or FS

in a dime package, they are considered centerfielders. ....deep coverage…...Safety …...there is no SS or FS on dime packages….just safeties….

fact is Brown and Watkins are going to make the squad…...and it’s of my opinion, that eventually Brown will be/as he may be now , the better Safety..I like Watkins (as you can see from my previous post directly below this)...but your passion for the guy is a little weird for me..

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 7, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

p.s.....as noted in my post below this...I even stated that Courtney Brown was going to replace Roy Williams at SAFETY........so get it right before you try to lambaste me funny man...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 7, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I responded to you reply

above and never saw that. It really doesn’t matter at this point. Because next year, I forsee Hamlin being moved to SS when Roy is released or traded and Watkins slides into his spot at FS.
Brown will be the backup to one of these players more than likely. I think Brown has a long ways to go before he is a starter.

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by Boyzfan94 on Aug 8, 2008 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

well...i think otherwise.....

he’s made huge strides over this past year, and i think his future is bright….I hope they both are an integral part of our defense for the next decade….i could care less which one is better right now… or who starts in the future…...

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 8, 2008 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Roy

Will be here next year, too. Roy isn’t going any where.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 8, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

you want to bet on that?

He’s gone next year. No way he is here unless he’s morphs into Ed Reed this season. The guy has one foot out the door already being removed from third downs.

I forgot to mention this in my above post, but with Anthony Henry playing some safety this year it’s setting up for Hamlin/Watkins or Hamlin/Henry next year. That should give you a clue what’s setting up for next year.

He’s done! Don’t buy any #38 Jersey’s because your wasting your money.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to inform you Wmillion

but Roy Williams will be a june 1st cut next year…..

by Deke on Aug 8, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have your opionon and I have mine.

Just seeing him running around making physical plays and causing fumbles shows he is mentally in it..

He may be a little over paid for his services, but there will always be players on the roster who make too much or too little-That is how the business works..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 8, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Believe me when I say,

nothing would make me happier than for Roy to play at an allpro level this year, I’d be more than happy to eat crow, but I just dont see it happening…because I’ve been waiting for three plus years for him to turn his career around and be that player he was the first two years in this league.

by Deke on Aug 8, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

roy

He may not be that player, but he will be an assest to the team..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 8, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Wmillion

If Roy plays well, he’ll play here next year for sure because Jerry and Campo like him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 8, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That who side you want to be on

The man cutting the checks..

Do you think they keep Stewart if they ask Wade to move aside?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Stewart is Wade’s protege and it’s probably already understood that he’ll run the defense and be Asst. HC for Garrett.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 8, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade ain't going nowhere after winning the SB this year...

I see him sataying here at least another 3 years…...with Garrett remaining here as well as O C….

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I don’t know, I think Garrett is HC next year or latest 2010.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 8, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

??????????? The dude is in his late 50's......he sure isn't looking to retire....

IF he wins SB’s….there is no way that Jerry removes him to replace him with Garrett….all of one season as an OC….....Garrett has so much more still to learn….how anyone thinks JG is a better choice to run the team is beyond me….the dude hasn’t been the head coach anywhere,...and is still learning how to run offenses for pete’s sake….IF Wade doesn’t win SB’s…..then you have an argument…..but Jerry would never fire Wade after winning a SB….and Wade ain’t retiring…....so there lies the problem….

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on

Jerry has pushed out a coach after winning 2 consecutive Super Bowls. Jerry’s goal will be to keep Garrett after this season, no matter what, and if Wade has to go for that to happen, he will.

Frankly, though, if we win the Super Bowl, I don’t care what happens. Any coaching fallout will be an afterthought to me.

by grapejoos on Aug 8, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also,

on Hard Knocks, Jerry said Wade’s goal, as he said in his interview, is to be thought of as a great head coach. He has nothing left to prove except to the media that he can win in the playoffs. If he wins a Super Bowl, career fulfilled. I could even see him coming back as DC/co-Head Coach, as weird as that would be.

by grapejoos on Aug 8, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see 3 years at all.

Wade’s not a spring chicken. He’s been doing this for a while.

I think maybe, maaaaybe one more year after this.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 8, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

by the way

DEKE where did you get your nickname from?

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 8, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 100% in Deke's camp on this one.......as far as the Steve Smith scenario....but

I don’t see Watkins getting cut this season cuz his special teams skills are still coveted and worthwhile to keep….but…......Courtney Brown has surely supplanted him as the first Safety off the bench in dime situations, and possibly Roy’s eventual replacement until Anthony Henry gets bumped into the safety mix full time,

If Brown can show in preseason games that he can mix it up, and hold his own physically, and is an aggressive sure tackler….He’ll make it real hard on Jerry and Wade to keep him from taking over for Roy full time, week 1.
. He’s the most athletic safety on the team…and one of the best athletes on the team…....I feel this guy was a diamond in the rough….very bright future for this kid…..4.32 40yds…41.5” verticle…nice size, playmaking ability, ball hawkin’ skills…....me likes…....my pet cat…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody sure made a good call moving Brown to Safety.

Let’s hope we see him tackle this Saturday.

“This Saturday”... it feels great saying that.

Is anyone as excited as I am about tomorrow night? Maui, you gonna put up the livethread Hard Knocks Fanpost?

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure one of the front pagers will do that

or whoever beats me to it,

but yes, I’m pretty damn excited about tomorrow night, and even more so for this weekend! At long last we get to see some Cowboys football!

by scottmaui on Aug 6, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's here

I am pumped…

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 6, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

how can i view this weekends game ???????

grrrrr…..is there any way to view this game living in Florida ? some internet feed ? radio link ???....I might fly to Dallas just to catch a preseason game on TV ??...lol…now that would be nuts..

I just ordered HBO package…I’m ready to go !!!!....woooo hooooo

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 6, 2008 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its on the NFL network

Which is available all over florida as long as you have directv and not comcast. I live in Jacksonville and I’ll be watching it.

by Billito on Aug 6, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

On at 7pm. I’ve already set up my TiVo.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 6, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boyz, you gotta get DirecTV

if you’re a Cowboys fan outside of Texas.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

amen to that

I can’t live without it..

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 6, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

SO friggin COOL.....I had recently looked at preseason schedules somewhere and it only listed the major network games I guess.....cuz it sure didn't show this game being televised.....

WOOOOO HOOOOOO…..Tonight with HBO…..saturday with NFL Network…I’m all over it….

p.s. Terry….I’m so tuned into this team I’m moving to Dallas in 8-10 weeks pending some outrageous change in my life or plans…...I actually just applied for a job at UT-Arlington last night….lets hope I get it…I’ll be ther by the end of the month if I do…...THEN I’ll be living Cowboys 24/7

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

good for you Boyz

I do envy anyone living in Dallas.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 7, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

you misunderstood me Deke

I wasn’t saying you were criticizing Romo, what I was saying is that when Romo first became the starter, you thought it was a foolish move, saying a rookie qb could never get us in the playoffs. You were big time wrong about that and all I’m saying is don’t dismiss Hurd, Austin or Stanback as players who could step up and produce if T.O. went down with an injury like you did Romo a few years ago.

Acquiring a veteran WR would only delay the progress of these promising young WRs.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm content with what we have right now at WR.......

but I surely don’t think bringing in an all pro WR opposite would hinder the progress of any of the young guys…..Hurd and Austin must show major improvements THIS season...or they become expendable at seasons end….and opens up a spot for a high rounder (Macklin or Robiskie or Harvin) next year to groom along with Stanback…

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 6, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing the loss of either TO or Witten would be tough

But you can’t have every position covered with backups for that kind of talent. Let’s just hope they both stay healthy. I think we can count on Crayton and Hurd for sure, Austin hopefully, and Stanback would really be a nice surprise. Also this defense looks scary good, with that, a better running game, and a better return game. We should be fine.

The last four games last yr wasn’t all because of TO’s injury. He didn’t get injured until CAR.
That game the Cowboys won 20-13. Before that was the Jessica Simpson game when Romo looked really off, Cowboys lost 10-6 to Philly. The season finale vs WASH featured Brad, Fasano, and mainly 2nd team offense, so that’s a little unfair to use in the average as they lost 27-6. Then the playoff loss 21-17, where there was plenty of blame to go around.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got news for you Deke

Austin and Jones are our speed guys opposite T.O., we don’t need a so called #2 receiver, even though Smith is a #1.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 5, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he was in the same league

but you can’t have an all pro at every position, thats simply unrealistic.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one is saying we should

but the fact is when a team is that close and Dallas is, if a good veteran receiver comes available regardless if that receiver is an allpro or not, and all you have is inexperience at that position, you dont think Jerry will make a run at that receiver, he will and for good reason.

by Deke on Aug 5, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

my question is?

When is the last time a good WR made a move with less then a month left before camp?

I don’t see a Vet coming available.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 5, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm...TO

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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm.... your way off

A little research is in order.

TO signed a 3-year contract with us on March 20th 2006.

Your off by 6 moinths…

So to answer Wmillion’s question.

When is the last time a good WR made a move with less then a month left before camp?

Rarely ever.

Smith is not getting traded or released. He signed a contract extension in 2007. I’m sure his contract is fairly large.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 5, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carify that point

4 months if were talking training camp. 6 months to the start of the season.

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 5, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deke, teams don't cut or trade

good vet WRs unless they’re malcontents. Unless Hurd, Austin or Stanback show absolutely nothing in the preseason games, or one gets hurt, we’re not acquiring a veteran receiver, its as simple as that.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly..

We still might just roll with Amendola. We weren’t the only team looking for a established WR, both Washington and Philly wanted one, all three teams came away empty handed.

Teams aren’t moving Vet WR’s.

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 6, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Without writing another essay, Deke

We will have to agree to disagree. I don’t see TO getting called out in the locker room by a huge defensive end and then getting into a scrap at all the same as what Smith did, nor do I consider the “scuffles” we have had this year in camp anywhere in the same league. The last thing I saw like that was years ago when Westbook (skins WR) put the beat down on a teammate and I thought that was over the top as well.

by Billito on Aug 5, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that.

Vince Young smacked a guy around in last year’s TC.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Steve Smith is too selfish of a player

to work on this team. There’s no way he’s be happy playing second fiddle to T.O. and Witten who will both catch over 90 balls this season as Romo’s favorite targets.

I’d pass on Smith, I’d only consider him if something seriously happened to T.O.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 5, 2008 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh cool

I found my way to the boxing ring.

Here’s my abbreviated take on the matter. Steve Smith is an enormous talent. He would make our offense nearly impossible to contain for ANY defense in the league, this I’m certain of.
So would he fit in here in big D? Hard to say. While winning generally breeds harmony, I’m not so sure with Smith. I mean, any way you look at it, the dood has had anger issues during his career and I’m pretty sure it even goes back to college. How would you feel if he popped TNew upside the head and took him out for a couple of games? I know I’d be pretty upset about it. I’ll take good team chemistry over one more good player that’s always coiled up. Now if our team was desperate for talent I may think a bit differently, but players like that can really throw a wrench into practice and game days.

In Smiths defense, none of us really know what happened for sure but if you have stuff like this in your past then people are always gonna point at you first. More times than not they’re gonna be accurate with their accusations.

Jerry does such a good job with working with players and keeping them happy that I wouldn’t be opposed to taking in Smith if he thought it would work out. I’ve come to really trust his judgment on matters like this. Besides, I’m pretty sure if Smith signed with the Boys you would all find a way to forgive him and give him the benefit of the doubt, don’t ya think?

by sublimezg on Aug 5, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

wow sublimezg....you found a way to make everyone's viewpoint seem all warm and fuzzy....

IF somehow…and believe me…I doubt highly this proposed “rumor” of Carolina wanting to trade Smith will ever happen….IF Jerry was able to pull off this coup of a trade…...EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU…..would be going ga ga and jumping for joy, creamin’ your pants, and proclaiming we’re the best damn team around, gloating to all your friends, etc etc etc…....am I right ???

or would you give up on the team because Jerry aquired a guy you think won’t work out here and will hinder the team chemistry…..and you’ll jump ship ????..

right guy….sure you would…............NOT

let’s get a new thread already…....this one’s played out.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that is great
would be going ga ga and jumping for joy, creamin’ your pants, and proclaiming we’re the best damn team around, gloating to all your friends, etc etc etc…….am I right ???

Creamin your pants.. LOL

Please believe be I would be at Ceasers Palace with my money in hand…

"If you see me up in the mountains with a lion, I ain't lyin
don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 5, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm already proclaiming Dallas is the best team in the NFC for sure

It’s been a while since I had enough confidence in the entire team to do that, and it feels damn good.

I usually keep my mouth shut and take the Cowboy haterade, it goes with being a fan. But this season, oh no, I’m telling the naysayers that Dallas is going to the SB. I also tell them this team is going to squash their opponents. Play them right the heck off the field. Their comeback is always our playoff win drought, but I just smile and tell them, you don’t know THIS Cowboys team. I’m loving it!

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 5, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm cool with the team we have right now.

Don’t want to be considered the Yankees of football when we smash through the playoffs!

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Carolina isn't going to trade Smith to Dallas

Main thing – no teams have any incentive left to trade for draft picks. The season is about to start (hallelujah). These guys will still have value come draft time and, if the Boys are desperate then, the Panthers will talk, knowing what the draft picks in play actually are. Furthermore, if Carolina traded Smith to Dallas, they would have to deal with the fallout (Dallas being the best team in the NFL) and would be blamed for it. It would also guarantee the picks they get back will effectively be a round lower (32nd pick in the first round feels a lot like a 2nd round pick).

Unless Carolina thinks they can’t get through the season with the guy, they will at least hold him until the season is over unless they are getting active, contributing players in return. And, as many have pointed out, he is their offense. They would be telling their fans, not only are we going to put Dallas over the top, but we are waving the white flag before the season even starts.

As for after this season, we’ll see what we have at #2 WR. But count me among those that think, in a fantasy setting where touches don’t matter, Smith would be the perfect speed WR to complement TO.

by grapejoos on Aug 5, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

IF...

...Carolina decides to part ways with Smith, you can be damn sure they’ll attempt to get something at least close in value (maybe two high draft picks). But I seriously doubt they’re gonna do that. I mean think about it. Training camp is underway and preseason games are about to start. Now would be the wrong time to get rid of the diminutive playmaking receiver.

Who else do the Panthers have @ WR?

I would love for our Cowboys to have SS starting opposite TO, but we’re dreaming here folks. Not gonna happen.

On the other hand, I think this second spat involving Smith is a bit overblown. Don’t get me wrong, breaking Lucas’ nose does warrant a suspension. No arguments here. But the whole “he has a reputation” thing is ludicrous. The last time something like this happened was when he wasn’t a starting WR - he was an electrifying return man - and he was punished for that infraction, as well. Several years have gone by since that teammate infighting incident, but the media has to bring that up, string it together with the recent situation, and “POOF,” call it a “history” of out of control problems.

Bleh.

Two totally separate incidents seemingly eons apart in time.

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by silverblue5 on Aug 5, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 kudos to silver and joos.....
I would love for our Cowboys to have SS starting opposite TO, but we’re dreaming here folks
-silver
But count me among those that think, in a fantasy setting where touches don’t matter, Smith would be the perfect speed WR to complement TO
-joos

ain’t it great to dream a little ??

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones

by BoyzRback on Aug 5, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again...

it’d be great on Madden.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smith is short, and has a short fuse.....

I’ve never liked the guy. He gets too emotional on and off the field, and he’s so short that anybody fast enough can easily shut him down. Just look at how T-New shut him down last time they played us.

- Hakrjak

by hakrjak on Aug 5, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

T-Newman has Smith's number

He shuts him down everytime we play them. Didn’t Smith get thrown out of a game the last time or the time before out of fustration over Newman shutting him down?

Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 5, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure did

Every team he comes across is going to be talking as much smack as possible this season to throw him off his game and wait for the meltdown. If he can make it through the season without PF’s or ejections, I’d be surprised. Let’s see if he can come back from this to put up top ten numbers.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Aug 5, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Where’s that on NFL Replay?

I love when Dallas plays the Panthers. To me, there is a slight rivalry from the last few years to who’s gonna become the next good NFC team. And…

...it’s not Carolina.

That #38 sure can hit!

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still Early

But, MIles Austin is stepping up.. Making finding a WR, not as important.

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don't help me, help the mountain lion"

by Wmillion on Aug 11, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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