Wade Phillips press conference 9/1/08 - Cory Procter to start
by Dave Halprin on Sep 1, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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PrintA paraphrase of the important news out of today’s Wade Phillips press conference.
My reaction to today’s news from the press conference.
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Stanback
this sure is a wierd injury but it would be great if this kid could play 6-8 games before going on IR. I don’t think he’ll make it through the season, shoulder sounds too iffy but every rep he gets in gametime will make him better next year.
Even if he could just hold the fort down until Hurd and Austin get better, that makes me more confident than starting off the season with Amendola or Jefferson.
I'm Wondering If Stanback
Is more trouble than he’s worth. He is always injured, and that slows his development as a receiver. At some point we may have to come to grips with the fact that a precious roster spot can only be held down so long by an injury-prone project.
He’s got great talent, but there is a limit for how long we can wait for it.
I agree
but would wait until next year. If he injures his shoulder running back a kick in the preseason next year, the boys should cut him loose. In the meantime, I’d love him to make some plays at WR this year.
yeah
I’d like to see how he does now that he’ll get a chance to play some actual games while Sam and Miles are out. I bet they run an end-around with him at the very least!
Yes I Agree
I haven’t given up on him yet either. I’m rooting hard for him, and if he can remain durable, should be a great find.
We need to give him this year, but another serious injury, and I think the team has to reconsider their commitment to him.
c'mon....injury prone...it was a freakish landing on a repaired shoulder...it pops out when someone lands on your shoulder, he can avoid further injury if used right.....
IF that play didn’t happen…We’d be looking forward to going into the season with him as our 3rd WR…which, If healthy, I believe he’s already warranted 3rd WR reps……we should be thanking our lucky stars the guy is a gamer, a warrior, and willing to play hurt and come back withing a week or two of injuring it, and from all reports….he’s ready to go….He runs with aggression, and he’s gonna be fine, I hope he puts on such a show he keeps the 3rd spot even after the others return….cuz he has the upside the others haven’t demonstrated in three years…………give up on him ? I don’t think so……it’s his rookie year as far as i’m concerned….he has shown more in limited action withing the past 12 months than Hurd and Austin have shown combined in three years………
Look at it this way….with Stanback’s injury….Wade’s forced to use two of the best return men in the world to return kicks now….which is a blessing in disguise……..cuz one of those two is going to the house…..week 1…. wooo hooo….let the games begin…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
And I Guess the Same Injury
Last season returning a kick against the Eagles that sent him to the IR was also a freak accident? The serious Lis Franc injury the year before…that was freakish too?
At some point, if a guy starts collecting serious injuries every single season, he earns the label of injury prone.
i'm not gonna get into it cuz it's fruitless ....
Terrence Newman-Injury prone
Anthony Henry-Injury prone
Kevin Burnett-Injury prone
let’s not waste roster spots on those guys either…right ?
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
When Was the Last Time
Any of those three guys had a serious enough injury to be put on the IR?
This could be the third straight season for Stanback with a serious injury.
Big difference.
Oh....Stanbacks being put on IR ???
From Grizz’s report…he’s playing in week 1…so obviously he’s healthy to go ….so calling this recent episode a “serious injury” is a bit premature…
btw…this is his second year. And he was drafted injured, knowing that he’d be developed slowly….he’s not going anywhere, so i wish you’d take that pessimistic attitude elsewhere….that’s bad karma guy….
like i said….there is no use arguing about it…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Except You Continue to Argue
And don’t bother to read my posts. That’s why I said this could be his third straight serious injury.
Really, if you want to argue, at least try to get straight what I’m saying.
your the one saying we should cut him HOW could i not get that straight...
you should be thankful the guy isn’t seriously injured and he’ll possibly be able to produce in the absence of our WR depth..when we need him the most….instead you give up on him, and feel we should let him go………..that is straight up absurd !!!!!
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Please Read My Posts Carefully
I never said we should cut him.
Again, try to understand what I’m saying before you start getting emotional.
yeah....i read a really pessimistic assessment of this future Cowboy star.
I’m Wondering If Stanback Is more trouble than he’s worth. He is always injured, and that slows his development as a receiver. At some point we may have to come to grips with the fact that a precious roster spot can only be held down so long by an injury-prone project.
He’s got great talent, but there is a limit for how long we can wait for it.
by kindablue on Sep 1, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not give him the three full seasons that’s warranted for a tremendous talent who’s already shown major playmaking abilities ??
With your thinking…Hurd and Austin should be alloted one more injury each before we throw them to the scrap table as well ….right ?
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
You're Not Paying Attention to What I'm Saying
Listen, I’ll make this as easy to understand for you as possible.
Stanback has had two serious injuries in back to back years before this year. Last year he was put on the IR in his second game. The year before, he missed the last half of his senior season with another serious injury. Now, this year he separates his shoulder again, and while I think the coaches are forcing him in to the lineup to see whether he can go for the season, they have already publicly discussed putting him on injured reserve. This isn’t my bad karma, this is what the organization is reporting to everyone.
It’s somewhat encouraging that he is reported to be playing better. Before you rush out to declare him cured, let’s see how he plays this season. That was my only point—of course you give him the chance to play. But if he suffers another serious injury this year, one that puts him on the IR, the franchise can’t afford to be sentimental. If it happens that would be the third straight serious injury in three seasons. Teams can’t afford to hang on to projects that are always on the IR. There is a point beyond which the franchise has to recognize that they may be filling a roster spot with a project who always seems to have the freak serious injury.
Just to be completely clear here, I never said we should cut him, or give up on him this year. Only that there is a limit to how many chances you get in this league, and he’s already used some of them up.
He's been here 12 months...awefully small window you got there guy...
Only that there is a limit to how many chances you get in this league, and he’s already used some of them up.
ok guy….whatever you say….
Newman should be let go if he gets injured this year….right ?
Maybe if TO tweaks a hammy would should toss him on IR too..right ?
Burnett is waiver wire bound if he can’t go the whole season…right ?
Henry misses one more game….trade ’em…right ?
all legit injury prone players….right ?
i’m done
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Thank Goodness
Because I already covered what a questionable analogy it was to bring up Newman or other players who’ve never been on the IR.
Just remember Jimmy Smith
If Dallas had only waited another season before cutting him. We can’t predict the future, but we can learn from past mistakes.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
:-) +1
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
he isn't moving up past Sam and Miles
when they come back, he’s just still too raw in all the subtleties of the position, but having this chance to play could do him a lot of good in progressing faster so we can see that natural ability come to its potential sooner.
+1
Doesn’t seem worth the trouble at this point…I think it would be a huge mistake not taking 4 WR’s, because of him being so injury prone. He could be knocked out the first play of the game the way his luck is.
Amendola or Jefferoson needs to be active for Sunday. You cant trust Stanback to stay healthy. The guy should be on IR. I agree that he won’t make the whole season.
Look up... get up...Don't ever, ever give up!!
Not worth what trouble?
It’s the first game. How many touches will he get anyway, between 3 to 5 at most? I think it’s good that he’s able to play, he needs the playing time. If he gets injured now he can go on IR, get the surgery and rehab, plus we can still make adjustments by either calling up one of the PS WR’s or signing a vet.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
If he makes it 6-8 games he’ll make it through the season. This type of injury gets better and better week to week.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Sep 1, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yes....they do tend to strengthen over time...in one week he went from no mobility to catching balls above his head...
If he can get past the first few games til Austin and Hurd return, we’ll be fine…they’ll keep him on the roster, most likely inactive ….but he’ll be there if or when called apon…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
I don't know much about this type of injury
but find it wierd that he could be good to go or possibly be put on IR. Is the shoulder unstable in the socket? If so, how can he take a hit? I think it’s good that he is playing week 1 whether the coaches are forcing him too or not as the guy needs to get out there and mix it up. Again, even if all he can be this season is a stopgap WR, I’ll take it.
If the arm is tucked
He can sustain a lot of force. It’s gonna pop out if he extends it to try and brace a fall or gets hit while catching a ball above his head.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Sep 1, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Left Guard
Like Grizz, I don’t understand moving Proctor there. We pick up Holland, presumably to fill in for Kosier while he’s out the first four games, and he doesn’t even start for the first one? Then they audition McQuistan almost the entire Minnesota game, and sit him down?
The only thing I can think of is they are trying to trade McQuistan or Marten to someone like Miami who is desperate for tackles in exchange for say a fourth round pick. Then you free up a roster spot, and when Kosier comes back and Holland is in shape, can cut Berger too, giving your even more roster space.
Either that, or Jerry and Wade have gone off his rocker.
Holland
just doesn’t know the playbook well enough at this point. I think he’ll be starting in a week or two, but he needs time to study and practice next to Flo and Dre before they’ll feel comfortable putting him out there. While he did play in a similar offense previous with NO, Denver’s offense is completely different so he has to get into the playbook with this line. Hopefully not too long before he can start.
Holland not starting
Because he’s been in Denver’s zone blocking scheme for what? 3 years? He’s a little rusty. Rather put someone who knows who and where to block until Holland gets some of our scheme down.
He Was Only with Denver
for one season. Just think it’s odd to go get a guy to replace Kosier for four weeks, when he won’t be ready to replace Kosier for one of those weeks. What I was saying is that the team probably is looking to ship out some other guys for picks.
Or else they’ve lost their sense of reason.
They are taking risk
on the side of better execution. Both Holland and Phillips said that he doesn’t know the playbook, which could be disaster in the making. Better to use Proctor who knows all the line calls, all the plays, and can execute what they need to do even if he’s not as good an athlete. As Flo said, it’s much easier to replace a G than a T.
I am hoping to see Holland next week or the week after.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Right
But I’m still puzzled why we swung a trade for someone to replace Kosier, then turn around and say he isn’t ready. It’s only four weeks, and he won’t be available for the first week.
Seems strange, unless they are thinking of something else. Which I think they are.
They're thinking long term with Holland
he isn’t just here to replace Kosier for a few weeks. He could get in there and replace Kosier permanently, or he could at least be a better backup G than any other options on the team, significantly helping the depth at o-line which is a weak spot on this team. But you are taking a big risk to just throw him in there for the opening game when he’s been practicing with the team for all of one week.
Clev's got some huge DT though....it might get ugly with Procter...
I’d throw Holand in there if Procters getting tossed around…
A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.
"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
What is really concerning is Marten and McQ
They can’t out perform Proctor (who has the smallest frame of all our lineman), we should cut them and find a vet OT who can backup Colombo. I don’t see any immediate improvement for those 2 guys. Better to cut bait and cover our bases. I’d hate for Romo to get hurt because of below average backups called up for spot duty. Seems very preventable.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
+1.....bring in all pro willie anderson OT cincy , he is available....
I say McQuistan gets traded to Miami…6th-7th rounder……he’s a Parcells guy…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
willie anderson
Has major injury problems, Cincy line is not good enough to cut capable players..
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
he was strickly a salary cap cut..........was making big money......
I’d take him for the vet minimum as insurance over McQ,Berger,Marten, etc….
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
oh another one dies in a “bizarre gardening accident” and another one “choked on vomit… actually someone else’s vomit.”
wow...i was just reading the Ravens were working out a deal for Simms.....
Simms can come dirt cheap as all the back up QB spots are dwindling…Bollinger…..eck…i’m not liking that vibe as a long term back up…
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
Holland will prove to be a very good pick up I think
He fits in our system a lot better than the Broncos zone blocking scheme.
I also hope we pick up Chad Jackson, the kid has a lot of talent. He was really young when he came out, so maybe this will be his year that he matures.
I think so too
this team plays with big, strong lineman, not fast little ones.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
+1
Hope he can pick up the playbook in time for the 2nd game. He was a good addition.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
where did proctor come from?
i thought it was going to be Pat McQ or Berger.
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I knew Stanback wouldn't go on IR
he’s too tough of a kid to let this injury affect him, he’s like T.O., he’ll play through pain and play well.
He’s special.
In Romo we Trust
glad he's gonna get a shot
at some real playing time. he’s raw, but if he can make some plays we’ll know we have 5 good receivers, when they’re all healthy, and he’s only going to get better if he can stay healthy himself.
the one thing he can certainly do at this stage
of his career is stretch the defense because I seriously doubt there are a lot of CBs who can hang with him on fly patterns.
And thats all we need from him this season while Witten and Crayton work underneath.
In Romo we Trust
it should be fun season to be boys fan
Offense should be sick with all the weapons, and if Bennett continues to make strides, lookout…
by WestTxHornFan on Sep 1, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
+1.totally agree....cuz if Cleveland thinks they're going to cover Stanback with just a 3rd corner, or safety
he’s gonna get open, no doubt……..Cleveland is very weak in the secondary right now…single cover Stanback?, or Witten?, or TO?, Crayton?…….someone’s gonna be wide open…..and Romo will find that guy………if not….MBIII or FJones…..open in the flats, being covered on an island by a nickle LB…..good luck to that…..my prediction….Dallas 38 – Cleveland 16….bet the bank….lol
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
indeed
this is a great chance for him because Cleveland’s secondary is so depleted… good luck indeed to the 3rd corner trying to cover Stanback… and I got TO in the BTB fantasy league so I’m looking for a monster game from him against this secondary!
Good point
Cleveland’s secondary stinks. As long as Romo has good protection, he should pick them apart.
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Not yet, but it's way too early..well see if he makes the year..
I really don’t see how with his injury. If the organization wasn’t so desperate for Wr’s right now they would place him on IR so he would be healthy next year. That’s what I think. Given that he isn’t going to be a big factor in the offense they could still decide to place him on IR once Austin and Hurd come back. Well see how it pans out……
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the only thing with stanback
he needs a John Garrett type on his ass, he flings that ball everywhere when he’s running…
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i'll admit
John Garrett is the deal. Seems like a coach that will have you mentally prepared for battle..
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don't help me, help the mountain lion"
Stanback
This being his 2nd year – okay he’s a tough kid, not let’s see if he’s a NFL WR. I hope he is.
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LMAO
Look at the guys in the background. You know they’re thinking ’ WTF?’
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by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
he's super fly.....
but all stanback needs to do is stretch the field, clev. will know he’s not 100% and then buy the 2nd qtr. romo will hit him with a deep one and all hell will break loose…..not to mention our defence plus the lack of their starters working together……i feel good about this game, but i do not underestamate the browns they have some talent thats for sure….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
Spags
Mick Shots — Davis Likely To Sign On Wednesday
Posted by mickshot at 9/1/2008 6:30 PM CDT
* Since this was technically an extra practice on Monday, the Cowboys will delay the signing of special-teams ace Keith Davis until Wednesday, if everything goes as planned, buying them some time to decide just how to create a spot on the current 53-man roster. Rather than simply releasing a guy, the Cowboys might want to shake out the trade bushes to see if some team might want to give them something for the player who would end up on waivers. Just prudent business on their part.
* A few of the Cowboys players released on Saturday they did not re-sign to the practice squad were signed by other teams to their practice squads: DT Remi Aydole was signed by New Orleans, S Dowayne Davis by Kansas City; and OL Adam Stenavich by Houston. Also see where Baltimore brought in Todd Lowber for a workout, and after looking at backup QB candidates Todd Bouman, Chris Simms, Joey Harrington and considering Brooks Bollinger, reportedly agreed to terms with Harrington on Monday. Also, former Cowboys quarterback Drew Henson was signed to the Detroit practice squad. I hear Simms might be looking for more money than the Cowboys want to give for a third quarterback.
* Nickel linebacker Kevin Burnett returned to practice on Monday, and apparently did just fine since having his knee scoped on Aug. 15 to remove a lose piece of cartilage that broke off a bone spur. Fact of the matter is, the Cowboys were being very conservative with his return, wanting to make doubly sure he was ready to go for the opener, so weren’t even tempted to play him in the final preseason game.
Kansas City gets LB-Walden and S-Davis...plus their own incredible '08 draft....look for them to be major players in the AFC 2+ years from now....
They remind me of the early 90’s Cowboys…..They’re a legit QB, and few more players from being an elite team for years to come..
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"If you don’t take him off the field as a coach, he will just about die out there," Jerry Jones said. "That impacted my decision. It’s a Michael Irvin-type work ethic. That’s what we are talking about with Felix Jones."
- Owner/G.M of the Dallas Cowboys , Jerry Jones
If they name Huard as the starter
They would do better this season. But I guess they want to find out if Croyle can be the future or not.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
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