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Fair's Fair

Our first pass against Greenbay was incomplete, but why? Twenty seven times their 12th man interceded, some small some large, but 27 times.     So I ask you, beyond the noise of having your home crowd, shouldn't all the other aspects be fair?

Shouldn't there be a standard for things that ensure equal playing fields???

Then go back and watch the game and ask yourself about everyone of the plays where our guys (12 to1) took a slip (and sometimes a fall, like their interception in our endzone and Miles slips and lays out trying to tackle their guy) on that turf.   For example, TO falls down and does not catch the first pass of the game leaving us with second and long. Then third and long TO catches that same 8 yard pass he couldn't catch because he was falling down due to slipping on the loose turf and now instead of 4th down it is a first down and we are moving the chains and the ball instead of punting.            Go back and watch

Another one all of us noticed was a Very advantageous slip on their part (one of very few) when Aaron Rodgers rolled out of the pocket went to set his feet and took a seat on the turf....well if he had not fallen Anthony Henry would have gotten the only clean shot on him that he would have gotten all night. And how would that have effected the game (fumble, injury?), since no one has seen Rodgers take a shot yet.?

Jump back to '94 and that sorry field in Candlestick park and turning the ball over 3 times for 21 points in the first 5 minutes of the game with the 49ers. Watch our guys slide and then the ball gets punched out as they are concentrating on their footing. WHY is that fair?    Same with that lousy field in Pittsburg in the end of the season when they let every High School and College team in PA play on it and stomp it into mud.  Suddenly every teams' million dollar players are slipping and sliding and risking their careers.   Heck the Steelers almooost lost to the winless Dolphins last year in the muddy madness of that useless bunch of muck!     The same goes for those sorry Eagle's until they moved to the new stadium. Remember that nasty shag rug they called Astro turf that was a quarter of an inch of rug-burn over the top of four feet of hard concrete?!!       Who can forget Michael Irvin after his contact with that "field"!

Why is this allowed to go on?     Isn't it obvious when the ground's crews have to spray green paint on the dirt or mud just to fool everyone watching on TV into believing it is a nice field?  And any field where big chunks come flying out means that it (the grass) is not doing the job it is there for (because there are a number of grass fields in the NFL that do just fine...but not cold weather grass fields or fields that get used like Grand Central Station, especially when you throw in rain).

It is one thing to battle the elements of a winter storm or high and swirling winds in the Meadowlands, that is Mother Nature, but to have that Compounded by footing that is so sub-standard that it hinders the game and puts people at risk and or gives one team an advantage...well is that fair?   And if it is then shouldn't we be thinking of a way to "Belichek" it (stretch the rules to the limits to make sure we get even the slightest edge) in our new field!!!!   Heck as far as that goes install mirrors so that the sun can hammer the opposing team's sidelines and the light hinders their ability to see what is happening on the fied so the coaches ability to make sight adjustments is neutralized and the heat rises exponentially.      Tit for Tat

If you leave the door open for home field advantages then watch out!   We already know that teams pipe in crowd noise and amp up volumes, they make you wear dark colors when it is really hot and white's when it is cold.   So come on Commish, you regulate Everything else in the NFL, -regulate the very ground the franchise  players play on cause you can blow out a knee real easily on junk like that... and for all of those who don't believe me just go back in the 3rd quarter and watch DeMarcus Ware as he is engaging a Packer and his feet scissor out, sliding apart  while he is fully engaging another man doing his best to push him into the ground, and watch how helpless he is because he can't stop them!  As I watched I winced and thought, "oh no, his knee," but thanks be to God, he was okay.      

Unfair advantage or do we let it slide and decide to take advantage of making unfair advantages in our new billion dollar home???

 

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Didn't the Packers have to play on the same field?

Or did during TV timeouts everyone switch to another Lambeau field? Theres a simple solution to this issue…..longer cleats. The equipment guys have them on the bench. All it takes is the guys going out for pregame warmups and doing their drills and letting the equipment guys know they need longer cleats.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Sep 23, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand your argument

Both teams play on the same field. Some teams prefer grass, others prefer turf. I can remember at one point there was talk of installing grass at Texas Stadium to prolong Emmitt’s career because of concern over him blowing out a knee on the turf. Some of that concern was mitigated with the advent of the new “field turf” as opposed to the old astroturf because it was too “sticky”. But the point still stands, both teams play on the same field. You mention Candlestick always seeming to be a mess, and it often was. But alot of that has to do with the weather conditions of the region. Nothern Cali gets lots of rain and Candlestick in particular had drainage problems. You cant control that type of thing without domes, and most markets cant afford to build billion dollar stadiums. On top of that, teams up north like their frigid temp advantage during the cold months. The same can be said about southern teams having an advantage during the beginning of the season when it’s 100+ degrees in places like Dallas and Arizona. It’s all part of the nuances of the game. I personally dont want to see homogenized/carbon copy stadiums. Take baseball for example. Baseball fields come in all shapes and sizes, its part of the game, part of the strategy. AL stadiums are hitter friendly, NL stadiums are pitching friendly. Can bad field conditions pose hazards to players health? Absolutely, but they pose the same risk for both teams. I dont think ANY team wants their field in complete shambles like that. If anything it increases the risk to their own players since they have to play on it on a regualr basis. And I dont see how regulating the field conditions is even possible. How is Goodell going to regulate weather conditions? He can’t. Could he mandate that no other games are allowed to be played on field? He could try I guess. But then where do the teams that play on these multigame fields play instead? Most stadiums are municipally owned, not team owned. And the stadiums have to generate income in order to be able to afford to build them and for upkeep. And again, most teams cannot afford to build their own stadium, which is WHY you have multi-use stadiums. It cant be helped. There’s no way around it.
I kinda see your point, but the reality is it’s a mute point.

by WB3forMB3 on Sep 23, 2008 12:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Hey, my aim is not to regulate weather but to unify the fields.
By example, have you ever played tennis? Have you played on grass courts, concrete and clay? Each is different and if you are use to (jumping back to football) blocking with solid footing and suddenly you go play a team with loose turf who has the advantage? The team use to their loose turf and the angles it takes to get firmer/sure footing (small fakes cause people to go down on poor footing but not on good footing and their players weren’t slipping). Play on clay for a while then take on someone who plays on the fastest surface, concrete, and you will flat out kill them. The footing, the bounce and skip, the set up and approaches must all be varied because of the surface under foot.
So if we play on and get use to one surface and don’t see a loose grass field until we have a big game who is more prepared to play on that surface but the Home Team? So Yes we do play on the same field but it is not like we are ready for the field when it is vastly different. It’s still green and looks the same but it does not play the same and when it comes to something that is possibly hazardous Then the home field advantage is slanted ….and possibly as my blog attempts to say, un-fair.
So same field does not equal same play by both teams since one is use to the field while the other is not. Seems in the second half the slips kept coming so changing cleats did not solve the problem either….and again another point of contention, your sod is meant to hold and under the pounding and pushing of huge and heavy men locked on battle. If it can’t do that then it is inferior and possess a risk. -As for Regulating-When other things posse a risk teams and the NFL find ways of weeding them out or legislating them out (read a contract and the language for dangerous behaviors like motorcycle riding, etc.).
My whole point is, how would you like to loose that game because the other team was use to their field and we weren’t? What if that CB following TO picked off the pass as he was slipping to the ground and took it to the house…the game begins to be turned not by players but by the field (seems the same to me as when the Officials become the focus within a game, it is just not the nature of the game to have an outside force determine the outcome of a sport between two teams). And it does not seem fair that we are battling both the opposing team And their field (49ers game in 1994 was like playing on a wet, old mattress whose stuffing kept coming up and I for one believe it turned the tide in the game that we would have won had the field not aided the home team!).
So if you are one of the teams with notoriously poor conditions or heavy use….heaven knows the NFL makes even the smallest franchise enough money to change out to field turf so you don’t try to re-sod three or four times a season knowing that that sod has about a zero percent chance of doing its job because it neither has the time to grow its roots or the ability according to the weather. Fair should be fair so the teams determine the outcome and score of a game.

by LiveNDieBlue on Sep 23, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, lets go with that

How do you make it fair? Do you mandate that all NFL playing surfaces have to have field turf? You would have to do that to alleviate problems posed by sod. Also, you would have to rule out sod because different grasses grow in different regions. So that would necessitate field turf. OK, now what do you do about stadiums that do not have the proper drainage for field turf? Water doesnt soak into field turf like it does regular ground. So you have to dome the field to get it to drain off. Now for fields like Candlestick that are at sea level what do you do with the water that’s been drained off to the sides? In any case, assuming the stadiums all agreed to do this, because you have to remember, most stadiums are owned by the city and are multi-use venues, you go in and dig up all of the grass fields. Now you have to dig down a few feet extra and bring in truckloads of sand and rebar and then pour concrete. And once it’s dried you can put down your new field turf so all the stadiums are identical. Oops! Wait a second, we cant do that because several stadiums through out the league double as baseball fields and even if the baseball teams decided it would be cool to play on concrete you still cant do it because of the moveable stands that all football/baseball stadiums have.
Now we are back to having to use sod, except now everyone has to use it. So the league has to spend MILLIONS of dollars to rip the concrete floors out of stadiums that presently use turf. Im sure people in those cities wont mind their tickets going up $40 – $50 a seat to pay for it.
OK now we all have dirt fields, we have to pick some grass. Gotta be same for everyone. Unfortunately what grows well in one certain soil, in a certain temperate region doesnt do as well in another soil in a different temperate region. OK, we’ll settle for setting some broader parameters for the grass. Now what to do in those domed stadiums where the grass cant get any sun? Guess we’ll have to leave the lights on to stimulate the photosynthesis needed. No problem, we just jack ticket prices up some more to pay for the extra electricty costs, fans wont mind.
Now, we all have grass. What do we do with these fields that gets played on the Friday and Saturday before the NFL game? No problem, we’ll just make those teams play in a different stadium, which he now have to build, so well just jack ticket prices WAAAAY up to pay for the new stadiums so the NFL team can have one field all to themselves. Oh wait! It rained really bad the day before the game, now the field is all torn up and it will take weeks before we can replant it and give it time to reroot properly. Well lets see, we cna just build a dome over the stadium to keep the rain out. No problem, we’ll just raise ticket prices some more to pay for it, fans have PLENTY of money.
Finally!! Now all the NFL teams have their own domed stadium expcept no one can afford the $2,000 per seat tickets prices, so no one goes to the games and now the team wants to move to a different city.

Well that worked out swell!

Now we have field turf in all stadiums. One problem,

by WB3forMB3 on Sep 23, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Shouldnt have been condescending like that. It was uncalled for. Even still, while I feel it’s something to maybe aspire to, the logistics involved to make it happen quickly are just too much.
Plus, I love watching a good muddy, sloppy game every so often.

by WB3forMB3 on Sep 23, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A long winded, nit picker if I ever seen one....

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

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by BoyzRback on Sep 23, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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