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Cowboys Autopsies: Offensive Line

"Lemme, lemme, lemme upgrade..."

I'm not talking about HD cable. I'm talking about the Dallas Cowboys offensive line.  We all know the standard story:  Dallas has a talented starting five but never recovered when LG Kyle Kosier went down in the Rams pre-season game.  Backups Cory Proctor and Broncos recruit Montrae Holland were unable to fill the hole.

That narrative contains a grain of truth.  Dallas was much, much better when Kosier gave the team his seven quarters of play.  The slow '08 meltdown, a contrast to the complete collapse in '05, nonetheless marks the second time in the last four years that Dallas has been caught short on the offensive line.  And it again shines the light on the team's greatest shortcoming of the post-Jimmy Johnson era, one that neither Jerry Jones nor Bill Parcells have been able to correct.

If the team hopes to improve, this story must be re-written.

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Offensive line has been the black hole for several Dallas personnel departments, going back to the late '90s.  The team has drafted 21 offensive linemen since Larry Allen was selected in the '94 draft's 2nd round.  Only three of those can be rated as hits, players who started multiple years and played at a solid level.  Two of them, Flozell Adams and Andre Gurode, anchor the current Dallas line.  The third, Oliver Ross, had three decent seasons for the Steelers in the mid-'00s. 

The remainder are a testament to the worst of Jerry 1.0 and of the Parcells days:  George Hegamin, Shane Hannah, Cha'Ron Dorsey, Clay Shiver, Steve Scifres, Tyson Walter, Kelvin Garmon, Solomon Page, Al Johnson, Justin Bates, Rob Petitti, Jacob Rogers, James Marten, etc., etc.  If Doug Free fails to emerge, Parcells and his protege Jeff Ireland will have a perfect,  in the worst sense, 0-for-9 draft record with offensive linemen.

The price tags on free agent linemen have blown up in recent years, as the demand for quality linemen has far outpaced supply.  When a team finds just two O-line starters in fourteen years, it puts itself as the mercy of the market.  Such are the Cowboys, who have signed Marco Rivera, Kyle Kosier and Leonard Davis to huge deals in recent years, because they could not develop their own young linemen.

Some of these players have earned post season honors.  Three current Cowboys, Adams, Gurode and Davis, were tapped to the '07 Pro Bowl team.  But are the Cowboys getting the maximum return on their massive investment?  I don't think so.

Let's compare the performances of Cowboys line and their rivals in New York the past four years, in rushing rank and in sacks-allowed rankings:

Year N.Y. Rush Dal. Rush
N.Y. Sacks Dal. Sacks
2005 6th 13th
7th
29th
2006 7th 13th
6th
20th
2007 4th 17th
12th
10th
2008 1st 21st
11th
15th

 

 

 

 

 

Both of these clubs have their offensive linemen signed to long-term deals, but New York is getting more bang for its buck.  The Cowboys line has never ranked higher than 13th in rushing yards.  By contrast, New York has never ranked lower than 7th is the top rated rushing attack this year. 

There's no comparison in pass protection.  Despite the fact that Dallas has the mobile Tony Romo and New York has the less mobile Eli Manning under center, the Giants have ranked better than Dallas every year save one.

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The problems, as all fans know, go beyond run blocks and blitz pick ups.  The Cowboys linemen, regardless of whether Tony Sparano or Hudson Houck coach them, are annually among the least disciplined lines in the game. An ESPN breakdown of o-line performance from 2004 through mid-season 2007 found that Dallas was one of the five most penalized lines in that span.  The Cowboys' line committed 147 penalties, an eye-popping 42 per season, or 2.6 per game.

Dallas appeared to have compounded its penalty problem when it signed Leonard Davis in '07.  Davis ranked 3rd in penalties in that span, and drew flags at an even higher rate than Flozell Adams, who was the 7th most penalized player.  Add Marc Colombo's penchant for false starts and Andre Gurode's difficulties with shot gun snaps and snap counts and the Cowboys have four linemen with efficiency issues.

The Cowboys minimized Davis' shortcomings by moving him to guard.  He's still taking a lot of penalties, but has cut his penalty rate by half, because he's no longer playing unaided at left tackle, as he did his last years in Arizona.

This year, the o-line had a relatively light penalty year -- by their low standards:

Player Penalties
LT- Adams 13
LG - Proctor/Kosier 4
C - Gurode 3
RG - Davis 6
RT -- Colombo 7
Total 33

That's an average of 2.1 penalties per game.  If this Cowboys line run-blocked on par with the '90s lines, who ranked in the top five every year from '92 through '95, or offered Romo air-tight blocking in exchange for their brain freezes, this might be tolerable.  They do neither, however.  The miscues compound the team's overall problems and undermine the skills each big ticket player brings to the game.  The veterans are talented, but they make too many mental mistakes, and take too many plays off.

Romo's interception ratios and his bad decision percentages were about the same as his '07 numbers.  His fumble totals rose considerably this year.  Most of this is Romo's fault.  Some blame, though, goes to the line.  Look at the relationship between sacks allowed and turnovers by the Cowboys QBs the last four seasons:

Year Sacks Allowed QB Fumbles/Lost
2005 50 17-8
2006 37 9-3
2007 25 10-2
2008 31 14-7

As the sacks allowed dropped by half from '05 to '07, the QBs turnovers fell to almost nothing.  The protection broke down way too often this year, and the turnovers shot back up.

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"If I were in Baltimore I might call Dallas and see if I could acquire one of its young offensive tackles. I would prefer 2007 fourth-round pick Doug Free, but doubt the Cowboys would trade him. Dallas is one of the few teams that has five very good offensive tackles."

-- Michael Lombardi, Frankly Football, CNNSI.com, August 1, 2008

If only Lombardi's statement was true.  The tackles he referred to were the starters Adams and Colombo, and backups Free, Pat McQuistan and James Marten.  Marten was cut in September .  McQuistan likely will be gone before the '09 season begins.  The team waffled on subbing him for Proctor at mid-season, even though the UFA from Montana was again having trouble with bull rushers.  Dallas also passed on using McQuistan at left tackle when Adams was suffering with a neck stinger that sapped the energy in one shoulder and a severely swollen finger.

The Cowboys, like many other teams, have a maxim that they do not draft players to be backups.  They're willing to be patient with linemen, but they expect some productivity by year three.  Proctor just finished his fourth pro season.  McQuistan ended his third.  The team has likely reached its limit with both.

Because of his team's inability to draft offensive linemen, Jerry Jones has had to pay blue-chip money to a red-chip line.  Given the dearth of prospects, what choice has he had?  The team has made offensive line Priority A, B and C this draft season, and we should all hope the scouts have as much success there as they did with running backs and cornerbacks last April.

This year's draft crop is especially rich in center prospects and I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys take one in with Cleveland's pick in the early 3rd. 

"But they're going to be backups, with so many big salaries on the o-line," you say. So?  Free aside, the team knows it does not have a backup who can press any of the starters for his job.  And Free did not take to Hudson Houck's coaching this year.  He was inactive for thirteen of the Cowboys' games and did not play a down that counted this year.  Montrae Holland is a decent backup, and little more. He ate his way out of a starting job in Denver.  How confident are you that he won't show up in San Antonio next July at 400 lbs?

Dallas needs replacements for McQuistan and Proctor, so why not get good ones?  The team probably saw its line's peak play in '07, when the starters were healthy.  Dallas can't afford to go another season hoping the starting five all another sixteen games injury-free.  A Ron Stone-caliber OG or OT (or preferably, both) would help the coaches sleep better at night.  They would make a vet or two sweat for his job security.  Pressure can focus the mind, and these guys need all the pressure they can get.

Dallas found out the hard way that it didn't have five good offensive tackles.  What's worse, it found out it didn't have five good offensive linemen, period.  That's one big reason the Cowboys won't be playing playoff football this weekend. 

You know the remedy, and I know the remedy.

Sing it, Beyonce!

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Lineman of the YearMarc Colombo was the most consistent lineman.  He handled the big rushers on his side and run blocked more consistently than any of his peers.  The toss right to Marion Barber was Dallas' best run play, in week one and in week seventeen.

Disappointment of the YearLeonard Davis.  Sure, Flozell Adams had more penalties, but he toughed out some serious injuries.  Davis had no excuses for his miscues this year.  He's the most dominant Cowboys lineman when he's on, but he's the most frustrating when he's off.  His Baltimore game was the worst by a big-name Cowboys player this year.  I ran out of fingers to count his missed blocks and blown pass assignments that night.

 

 

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OL is the reason we aren't playing this weeknd

Fans can blame Romo all they want but there is no question the late season failings of this team is directly related to the OL playing horrible during that period. QB is only as good as their OL, been that way since the forward pass was invented.

Seems like those guys are the chokers to me.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How'd I Guess?

You sound like a broken record, Terry.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 1, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They Do As Well...

But you just stand out real bad.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 1, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its because I defend Romo

with the verocity of a pitbull on crack. ;)

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

Good one.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 1, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo didn't have his 07 magic

Down the stretch the O was much better with Romo than without him. The line gave up more sacks than last season, Romo gave up more turnovers. He stayed in the pocket too long.

Bleedslow used to rack up the sacks because he held the ball too long. Next year I hope Romo gets back to a quick release and mobile pocket.

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also a lot less roll-out plays called this year

All year long I just couldn’t figure this one out..

by mhuff13 on Jan 2, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

go figure ...huh ?....something that worked great for a year and a half...

all of a sudden it’s eliminated from the play book…..with a hurting O Line ta boot ????

Garrett MUST GO

pass it on..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 5:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so, which players do we blame on Jerry

and which ones do we blame on BP?

I would love to you know your theory on this…

by Longhorn on Jan 1, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So Parcells wasn't a professional?

He didn’t hit on a single o-lineman.

Jerry, bad, was he was, was better in this department.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Raf....NO O Linemen AND Carpenter.....Now it's Jerry's fault again .....geez...will this ever stop

Can we all just get off Jerry’s jock, and pin the lack of OL depth on Tuna once and for all ???

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A second broken record on these boards.

Jones was not picking the offensive lineman Dallas drafted between 2003-2007.

by Trey, on Jan 1, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Jan 1, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Bobbie Carpenter was Tuna’s work too.

by Trey, on Jan 1, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas Cowboys O-line this year....

equals big, dumb, large, millionaire idiots!!!….Tired of deaf dumb and blind Flozell and stupid Gurode and his bad snaps and missing the snap counts…..they’re both idiots.

by ManTab on Jan 1, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think their lack of intelligence

has a lot to do with it. I think thats what made Kosier so valuable, he was smart at recognizing and picking up blitzes, he knew where to be.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Terry...total agreement...This is why Cal's Alex Mack-OC/OG should be our priority Draft Selection

Best Center/Interior Lineman to come down the pike in several years….go to LINK

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Alex-Mack.php

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Five Cs with 1st or 2nd round grades

Cs drop, so at least one good one will be there in the early 3rd. I like Jonathan Luigs at 69 with Cleveland’s pick. A center who is 314 lbs. and runs a 4.9. This tells me the guy can pull and get to the second level on LBs, something Gurode has trouble doing with really shifty LBs.

That means he can push Kosier AND Gurode quickly, and make Cory Proctor a bad memory.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Mack too, but the graders are split. Some have him in the early 2nd.

Other have him in the mid-1st. He’s probably the first C off the board and while I can see Dallas moving up, I don’t see them doing it for a C.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1...your right...there are some really good Centers available...

Mack
Unger
Luigs
Hood
etc….

Better yet….ALL can project to OG as well, Unger may be the best, and can play ALL 5 spots on the line…….providing depth…or take over at Gurodes spot and move him to LG…that is our best possible solution, aside from aquiring Mike Goff in FA….which I think I would still do……giving us Kosier, Holland, Free and the rookie as quality depth….problems solved ..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Parcells was going to cut Gurode after he flamed out at G

I think Kosier is a more dependable G than Andre. Kosier can get out on screens and lock onto to guys and STAY locked on.

Gurode, not so much.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...it appears your a proponent of trading our Pro Bowl Center ???

Kosier is in his last contract year….at his age, I don’t see an extension coming….What would be your long term solution to this mess, if we were to trade Gurode ??

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 2:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What kinda of return

Trade Andre for an 09 first round pick, sure, how about a fifth round pick? Andre’s a great center but wasn’t that hot at OG. The best option is to probably keep him and draft his replacement. The real question is does Jerry draft a Center that can play OG or the other way around. I don’t think Koz gets resigned. That is I hope Jerry prepares now so that he doesn’t have to overspend on Koz later.

Raf’s right, there are several centers in this draft, given that, Mack is out of reach, Unger looks real good in the second, can Luigs be had in the third?

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't want to trade him

I want competition for him. And competition for LG.

Dallas may draft a G but I see a C/G as the better value. Duke Robinson isn’t dropping to Dallas and the top four Cs are all rated higher than the next Gs, Trevor Canfield and Andy Levitre.

Unger, Mack and Luigs have all played guard in addition to center. I’m just going where the board takes me. You draft a pure G to target Kosier, you’re stuck with Proctor another year cause nobody else can backup Gurode.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Me and Raf are right in tune with this .....

exactly the way it should go down…In fact, Unger and Mack are the only players in the draft I would trade up to get…..Two birds with one stone OC/OG….btw way…Unger ALSO projects to LT, and has played ALL 5 positions in college……versitility is the best thing to have in an O linemen, cuz we sure can’t keep 5 backups at 5 seperate positions…By obtaining those mentioned immediately upgrades our depth, and, eliminates Proctor, Berger, and McQuistan from the lineup…….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This was a down year for the line

Every year since Koz arrived posters have been calling for his replacement. Fix the weakest link and the whole line gets stronger …

Now Koz is the one brilliant player that can pick up a blitz. Face it, the Boys have built a group of maulers. Speed guys will get theirs with better play calling, they will also get pancaked. The more times the Boys pound Barber between the tackles, the more likely TO and Roy will get single coverage on the edges.

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had to pick the most frustrating aspect of this season, for me

it would be the O line. They were wretched, and the Cowboys are done because of that fact. I just don’t quite get why they’re so bad.

by Fernie67 on Jan 1, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

dumb and slow

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It obviously calls into question the Pro Bowl, just like the Cowboys'

performance this year calls into question last year’s Pro Bowl voting. I’m not even sure this team can be called underachievers. They were overrated—no one more than the O line—this year and last.

by Fernie67 on Jan 1, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

every OL needs at least one smart lineman

who can recognize blitz schemes, stunts and the like…Kosier was that player on our OL and when he went down the rest of the players looked like lost souls.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pro Bowl is a beauty contest

Did Larry Allen get in again?

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

O line

I agree 100. O line play was mediocre after the Brown’s game, in which they were completely dominate. To show what the coaching staff thinks of the backup tackles, they had Flo playing with one arm for several games instead of playing Free or McQuistan.
 I don’t know if Proctor could have played any worse. Defenses were attacking the left side of the line, Proctor & an injured Adams, and didn’t even have people near Bigg. Speaking of Bigg, how many times did we see him standing around looking for someone to block but not making any real attempt to get to someone?
 I think that Gerode does a real good job after the snap, but man , some of those snaps, & not remembering the snap count, are killers. Colombo was the only lineman who had a good year. Yeah, he has a few procedure penalties and he has a little trouble with speed rusher sometimes but he has more grit & determination than the rest do combined. I love the way he stands up for his players and I love his little nasty streak.
The 1st Washington game was when Owens came out & said they weren’t getting him the ball. He didn’t say they weren’t throwing it to him often enough. I know what the media read into his statements, but the way I took his statements to mean was that the O-line wasn’t allowing Tony enough time to make his throws. That’s exactly what I was thinking during the game. The game started out with the ’Boys trying a few runs for absolutely no gains. The ’Skins were stuffing everything. Garrett went away from even trying to run & got into passing on what seemed every down. Well, 90 of the time, the ‘Skins D linemen were all over Romo. Tony had no chance to complete any passes, it was a miracle he could even get off as many passes as he did. If he didn’t have the quickest release in football, he would have had 10 sacks.
I have read a lot of postings criticizing Romo for holding the ball too long. I don’t see that at all. The vast majority of the time he is being pressured before he can even set up for the pass. Simply put, the O-line got Tony thoroughly beat up all year. In my opinion, they are responsible for the vast majority of the turnovers.

I agree with Raf, I think the ’Boys need to draft the best C/G they can.

by geth13 on Jan 4, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

extremely well said

nice to see other fans get it

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 4, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, you need guys up and down the line who are smart

Baltimore didn’t attack Proctor. They attacked Davis, because you can run stunts
at him and he couldn’t react. I doubt things would have different if Kosier had played.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if thats the case we're in big trouble

because Gurode, Davis and Adams are locked into long term deals.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, if the team drafts a better player at their positions

they’ll keep that guy on the bench because of the deals?

I doubt it. It costs the same to put the kid on the field or have him on
the sideline

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would hope Wade would have the balls to do so

and not be pressured by Jerry to play the big contract guys

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Boys might be more willing to cut big money

looking to use 2010 labor strife and possibly an uncapped year to alleviate salary cap hell

by AustonianAggie on Jan 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff as always, Raf

Parcell’s philosophy seems right, but it just hasn’t been executed well in the draft here. He asserted that a team was built from the inside out, meaning starting from linemen (on both sides) then on to the other positions, for without good linemen, nothing else mattered. A team’s success began and ended with the line, not with the “skill” players. Until the O Line is solid, the rest will underperform. No insight really being offered here by me; just appreciation for the articles as well as Jim Vance’s forever civilized and insightful posts. Glad to see 2zs back as well. Miss the smaller forum at B&SR (where I logged on as "Peter"). I’m reading/follwing this blog but don’t post much here. Lots of posters already commenting.

by Teacher on Jan 1, 2009 10:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"without good linemen, nothing else mattered"

truer words have never been written

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 1, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, and he never hit with RT

Ryan Young,
Ross Tucker,
the guy from Notre Dame whose name I forget;
Jacob Rogers
Jason Fabini,
Rob Petitti,

He finally filled the spot with a long-shot waiver claim who needed a year and a half
rehabbing his knee before he was healthy enough to stick.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kurt Vollers

Was the guy from Notre Dame.

by kindablue on Jan 1, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!

Could not remember his name.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!

Parcell’s couldn’t do it in the draft and way over spent on old vets. At least Jerry had the sense to lock up a young beast (Davis) at or below market value and move him to spot will he’ll be solid for many years.

I didn’t like Flo’s extension because he’s only going to get older and slower. Free agent OTs are too expensive (unless we go uncapped). Doug Free is still hit or miss. I think Jerry has to hit OT early and often in the draft. Who will be there in the mid second round – that’s where Flo came from.

Then again if Andre goes down what’s behind him?

The draft has to produce starters but a combo guy that could handle OG/C might be the way to go – what’s Al Johnson doing these days?

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mack, Unger, and Luigs are the OC/OG I'd take at pick #48-52

Any one of the them can/ will start at OG or C, probably first year.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in Pittsburgh

Why did it take him 14 weeks to get on the field?

Probably the same reasons that led Mike Shanahan to give up on him in August.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I heard Gil Brandt say..........

that one of the reasons Holland didnt get on the field sooner was because of a playing incentive clause in the trade that could have turned the 5th rounder into a 3rd rounder

by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 2, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, I hope that's not true

That is shameful.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 3, 2009 5:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Inconsistent

Raf, I wrote on another thread that it seemed to me like all the linemen (except Kosier, he didn’t play enough) are inconsistent. Generally capable, times of dominance, but also some woeful games or periods within games. Therefore, in most games, someone let us down, but not always the same player or players. Every game was like a roll of the dice, especially with the marginal Proctor in there – he was consistenly a problem.

What is the deal with McQ – people were in love with him, and now he seems to be another stiff.

I love the list of busts – I guess Kendall Watkins was a massive TE, but there was talk of moving him to C or G. Who spends a second rounder on an overgrown TE who can block, and nothing else?

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 1, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

the line had three game stretches where it was clean.
Green Bay, Washington, Cincy — just four overall penalties in three games.
Two of the best rushing days of the year.

Then, yes, Flo would have an awful game, or Davis and Colombo would have a terrible game together.
When you have one or two guys with “issues” you can tolerate them. Take the Giants, for example. They’ve committed just as many penalties as Dallas o-line the past five years.

But they can just line up and roll you. Dallas can’t do that.

Go man to man with the ‘90s lines. Is Flo even with Tuinei? That’s close.
Kosier vs. Nate? No contest.
Gurode vs. Step or Ray Donaldson? Nope. Too many mental mistakes for Andre.
Davis vs. Larry Allen? Allen had great feet. He played LT at a very high level. Davis has awful feet. That’s why he’s playing guard.
Colombo vs. Erik Williams? Not when Erik was healthy.

There’s plenty of room to improve. If the team falls in love with these guys, they’re idiots.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flo v Tuinei

Flo is more dominant, but Tuinei was more consistent.

For all the love that Allen, Newton and Williams got (largely deserved), Tuinei manned the blindside and was generally overlooked.

If Erik Williams never wrecks his Benz, he goes to Canton.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 1, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Davis?

His play was abysmal at times this year when he wasn’t generally average. This is the same player that looked unbelievably dominating last year. Just shameful.

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 1, 2009 10:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Davis is one of the most incredible physical specimens in the game

I don’t think he’s the smartest guy in the world. Ditto for Gurode. Flozell is deaf in one ear and contrary to reports, does not have a hearing aid. I’ve been told false starts on the road are a hazard of having him in the lineup.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 1, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure he didn't get stupider in the past offseason

But his play fell off a cliff. Motivation issues?

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 1, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A year of film and a new line coach. Teams played them different this year and that affected TO getting off the line, pass protection and how teams approached Barbarer among other things.

by Trey, on Jan 2, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many games did you witness Davis make a several mistakes?

Do you think he is coach able? Would you move Gurorode, out of the guys on the line he would appear to have the most value.

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 1, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points in past thread about Giants cutting Tiki etc. ,

and that addition by subtraction is not that crazy of an idea.
I need to give up the argument about cutting TO, because many can’t see what a douche like that can do to a group of people, but you made a good point about the Giants.

I also would add that Philly and the Patriots stay competitive year after year partially by having a philosophy of cutting vets as they age, and letting other teams overpay for their 32-year old castoffs who are just about to decline.
The old 49ers also were known to be brutal in that respect.

by Realist Larry on Jan 2, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Hudson Houck?

I thought he was going to be an upgrade over Sporano. It seemed he couldn’t get things right with Garrett. The line was a mess and that made Garrett and especially Romo pay for it. I mean how difficult can it be to pick up blitzes? If the line is having trouble picking up blitzes, they need to spend more time in film study.

by beautifultyrant on Jan 1, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

But you all forget

Bill Parcells made the find of the year when he lifted MARC Columbo from the scrap heap for cheap Money. Columbo was by far the most underrated o-linemen in the NFL and should have gotten to the pro Bowl. He protected Romo’s butt, pulled right and led Barber on some important runs, and, most importantly showed some fire to defend his teammates (especially in the Tampa game)

by albigaes on Jan 1, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Jan 1, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What kind of coach is Houck?

Is he a disciplinarian, a good teacher? What is it with him? Why are the “kids” Free and McQuistan as well as the others not responding to his coaching?

by beautifultyrant on Jan 1, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great Piece

All the Info I needed.. I think out of the 5 Flo is the most likely to get replaced. Oldest and his penalties are off the map.

What do they do with Houck is the question, that makes me nervous.

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by Wmillion on Jan 1, 2009 11:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No chance Flo gets replaced

Unless hopefully his entire signing bonus was paid this season.

by mhuff13 on Jan 2, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

probably right

It is a shame, but who knows how hurt he really was this year.. Or has he really lost a step? A lot of the LT from his generation are fading out.. Pace, Ogden, Walter Jones.. It is time to find aand develop a replacement even if it isn’t this year..

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Houck

I was really disappointed with him this year. I thought with his past success, the OL wouldn’t miss a beat and perhaps take it to the next level. Well, the proof is in the pudding and he should be the next coach to go. Hire Solari or bring back Tony Wise.

by troysboys on Jan 2, 2009 12:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great piece Raf

Although I think the Boys’ problems are more off-field than on, of all the physical parts of the game the OLine is the biggest concern. It effects everything else, even the defense by allowing ball-control.

[Under your 2nd stat box, did you mean 2.1 penalties/game instead of sacks?]

What would the sack totals be if we had any other QB besides Romo??

by Realist Larry on Jan 2, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I did mean penalties.

thanks for the edit. I’ve changed it.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our Problems are off field ?, but our biggest corcern was the O Line play ????

which effects:

 the QB play- leading to turnovers, inaccuracy, time of possession, and limited offensive plays
The Passing game- causing receivers to break off their routes, or gain seperation
The Running game- which promotes tackles for loss, unsustained drives
The Defensive Play- more time on the field, demoralizing field position
Clock Control- all of the above factors
Turnover Ratio- hurried passes, knock downs, scrambles, strips..

Let’s be “REAL” …The O LINE play was thee major reason this season went down the tubes….

Off field issues only hurt a team if you actually listen to the non sense…….If everything you hear in the media is real…………the only concerns you should have are your own…

This falls squarely on the shoulders of Hudson Houck, and his immediate boss in Jason Garrett…

When Romo was getting scrapped off the carpet for the ummmmpteenth time….Did he once think to or revert to a MAX Protection formation ?? We drafted a 2nd TE for a reason, and it wasn’t to send two of them out on 25 yard seam routes….Does anyone recall Garretts best called game against Washington ? When he had 2 TE’s or a RB/FB and TE lined up in a split I formation behind Romo under center ?….worked pretty good..huh …..well…..Did you ever see it again all season ?……….Didn’t think so…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the last game that Kosier played

Not quibbling with your logic. I think that reinforces the fact that having six or seven OL who can really play, as opposed to four much of this year, would make this game play operable a lot more of the time

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering if we missed a real big wide open window to win #6 the last 2 years.

With the same coaching staff mixed with these players I’m not sure we get close again.

by Realist Larry on Jan 2, 2009 12:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's the darkest hour

The Boys just missed the playoffs so everybody is down right now. Next August we’ll all be riding the Superbowl train.

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless I missed it somewhere

Sirius Radio reported yesterday that Jason Garrett turned down the interview for the Lions job.

by Boyzfan94 on Jan 2, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

not really because the only way you can go is up?

Two first round picks, one being the first overall. If I were him I would.

by Boyzfan94 on Jan 2, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He might be called red jesus

But he knows he can’t walk on water and he knows he cannot win in Detroit.

by Trey, on Jan 2, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They've been going up for a LOOOONG time though

And they promoted Millen’s #2 to GM. No guarantee those 2 #1’s will be worth squat.

by mhuff13 on Jan 2, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

THe nerve for him to turn down a job....the mere thought that someone was interested in him is beyond me...

Does he honestly think teams are going to continue year after year will tout him as he’s being exposed as an inexperienced, uncreative, vanilla play calling, ex-clip board holder that he is……

Detroit- nice, young nucleus of offensive players, 2 top 20 draft picks, and a front office that appearantly gives you 10 years to prove yourself…..what a dip shit…….Princeton alright…basket weaving engineering degree i gather…

I beg Jerry to replace him………and leave him with no positions available…justice served.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 1:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he just wants to prove what he can do and make amends for his poor season this year

Besides he is getting paid a lot to stay here and he has much more chance o succeed here than Detroit

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Jan 2, 2009 2:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If your ultimate goal is to be an NFL HC, success will come from a product you yourself built...

He has NO pressure to succeed early if he goes to Detroit, He has an up and coming rookie RB, a top tier WR, can go out and sign Cassel at QB, draft top OT with first pick, and a top pass rusher at pick 18-20, has a few quality players on each side of the ball, gut the rest with draft picks and low cost free agents, and you can easily have an improvement in the likes of Atlanta and Miami…..Didn’t this team dominate the Cowboys for the most part in our ’07 battle ???

They are not as far behind as most think……..Follow the guide above and this team is 8-8 next year.

Garrett’s just as dumb as I thought he was……Baltimore, Atlanta, now Detroit,…..next….???…hello ….next ?…….oh damn…I missed out…..Hey Dad, you still coaching that YMCA intramural league in Hobokken ??….need a QB coach ?

sorry son, Lowber told me all about your disfunctional coaching abilities…….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 2:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garrett is getting other looks

He’s got lots of contacts in the NFL. I’m sure if he’s got three teams looking at him and two of them are not Detroit, you look elsewhere.

Besides, Martin Mayhew was a dime back in Washington in the early ‘90s. You see the top two candidates on Detroit’s list so far? Todd Bowles, was the nickel back in Washington and Jerry Gray, who was his roomate at his next stop.

I’m guessing one of those two guys is the Lions next coach.

And let’s not forget that Mayhew was Millen’s assistant for several years. There’s nowhere to go but up, but how far up?

That team hasn’t won a playoff game since 1957.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I've read the Lions have locked in a lot of assistants

So any HC who takes that job has an unproven GM who is already making you accept a big chunk of Rod Marinelli’s staff.

If I have other options, I pass on this.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious?

Why would you look in coaches from 0-16 team>? Hmm, hiring Millen’s assistant as a GM sounds like another mistake.

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't the Lions in the NFC Championship game when Wayne FOntes was coach?

They have won a playoff game in 1991, against our Dallas Cowboys. That was there only playoff win since winning the NFL championship in 1957.

I believe that makes the Cowboys the team with the second longest playoff victory drought.

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by Seanrude on Jan 2, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

really

I hope he comes back, if it is true you I give the media a couple of days before they say he has been guarnteed our HC job after next year.

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sherman to interview
According to a source, Cowboys wide receivers coach Ray Sherman will be asked to interview for the head coach vacancy in St. Louis.

The Rams will officially ask the Cowboys tomorrow for permission to speak with Sherman when they turn in the paperwork. Sherman is interested in the position. He’s been an offensive coordinator with Minnesota and Pittsburgh.

by Boyzfan94 on Jan 2, 2009 12:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

great....that's not a guy we can lose....Sherman is an asset here...Skip Peete too..

I really believe St Louis is adhering to the “Rooney Rule” quota with this interview…I’d hate to lose him..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 1:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sherman is an asset???

Then why can’t our superstar WR’s run good routes? Why couldn’t TO figure out how to get past bump & run coverage? Why was Witten the only open receiver 90% of the time? Isn’t his only job to make sure they do that?

I don’t care if he is the first assistant to make friends with TO, I say “good riddance” if he departs.

by JimmyJohnson on Jan 2, 2009 5:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Witten is tight with Romo

Don’t you follow the soap operas?

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

(sigh)

I’m having deja vu. I can remember lots of posts this time last year offering to pack Tony Sparano’s bags for him.

Ray Sherman is a good coach. He’s got a hard job, and he’s turned Miles Austin from a Randall Williams clone into a very, very good young WR.

He’s gonna have a much tougher job getting Roy Williams to run good routes than T.O. That guy has a lot of work to do to convince me that was a good trade.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy has potential

I was big fan of the trade, but his inability to stay healthy concerns me. He had a break out season an d hasn’t done much after that. His hands looked good when he 1st arrived.

MY grade for this trade is incomplete.

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He needs a full off season and training camp with Romo before any grades.

I just dont think a WR can come in and set the world on fire without working with the QB. Their is alot of nonverbal communication, timing, and coverage recognition. They rarely if ever looked like they were on the same page. Come to think of it, nobody did. Oh well.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I AGREE 100%

I think Roy is the deal, can’t wait to see what he can do with Romo on the same page..

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and he’s turned Miles Austin from a Randall Williams clone into a very, very good young WR.

Great point. I used to compare Austin to Randall Williams in almost every post about him I made. I was calling him “Brick Hands”. He’s really come a long way from just 2007. I’m sure we’ll manage to keep him.

by kameleon_o on Jan 2, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's got a hard job?

Because he has to listen to TO?

Big deal, Austin is progressing, like no other WR coach could have helped him develop.

Sorry, don’t think he has a harder job than any other position coach.

He’s fine, but lets not make the guy out to be Supercoach.

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by APerfectStar on Jan 3, 2009 5:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its the offensive lines fault

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by TrueBlue24 on Jan 2, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good for Ray

Very smart guy and well respected, by his coaches and his players.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

interesting

That Ray has previous coordinator experience, i wonder if Jason G. asked for advice.

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IF he asked for advice, we'd probably still be in the playoffs right now..

Pretty odd how all the WR’s weren’t thrilled with the play calling and scheme, and visited directly with Garrett about it, but Sherman’s name was never involved with any talks…..kinda think Sherman had his players backs with their riff ???? hmmmm…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem concerning the o-line is it doesn’t seem likely to correct in just 1 year. Especially considering that we don’t have a #1 pick this year. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the same starters next year.

by connery on Jan 2, 2009 4:08 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

More than likely

I think just with Kosier returning healthy, the line’s performance will be a notch above next year.

 But it’s clear that these guys are a heavily penalized bunch and prone to having off-days. Eventually, they will have to be weeded out.

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 2, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pipeline

O-line players need to be in it. Drafting a touted prospect to patch a hole is hope, not a plan. Drafting a solid guy to grow into the position is a plan.

Last year Jerry landed Jones and Jenkins in the first. I hope they both become long term starters. What I loved about the draft is Jerry also secured Choice and Scandrick. Both excelled and now our depth is solid at RB and CB.

So what can Jerry do to fix the O-line, ILB and Safety?

by birdness on Jan 2, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the FA route when it comes to fixing O Line....

Sure it will cost you the equal amount of a top 5 pick in the draft, but you know what your getting, and he starts day one….O Linemen take several years to develope properly, and quite frankly, this team is put together to win now….and for the next 3-5 years…The only O Linemen in this years draft that can come right in and upgrade our O Line will more likely be gone in the first 50 picks…So our first pick should be an OLineman…..Don’t expect any lineman after round 2 to start here in Dallas any time soon, if ever…….The possibility is there, but the odds go way down…There are several low cost free agents out there that are an upgrade over Proctor, Berger, McQuistan, and Free…….well….we get rid of most of our existing depth and start over, maybe keep Free and grab a lineman in the 2nd round, maybe 4th round as well, and then find a vet in FA….back to the drawing board….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Especially with our luck of picking OL, I wouldn’t expect one to be drafted by us until the 4th or 5th round. FA is the way to go to develop some immediate depth.

by Boyzfan94 on Jan 2, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kosier....LG.....makes him a quality back up while playing out his last contract year..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had any idea what the heck your talkin about , I'd respond

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 8:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So let me ask this

What position on the O Line needs replacement at the earliest?

I vote LT.

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Jan 2, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

to follow up on that....Flo wasn't the only problem on the O Line...

And certainly, He’s the hardest to replace….as it takes a special lineman to become a LT in the NFL…..Just like last pre season, I would look to upgrade our weakest position this year, Left OG……….The other 4 positions are locked up into big dollar, long term contracts, and will be difficult to replace due to that…….MY solution would be to upgrade the LG spot via free agency pick up Mike Goff of San Diego…OG’s don’t generally cost as much as OT’s, and he is the best, most solid, healthiest OG on the market this year…and YES, he’s better than Kyle Kosier…Everyone wanted Kosiers replacement, now here he is….Kosier has one year left on his contract, and would make for an excellent swing Guard, backing up Goff & Davis……In the mean time, I would select one of the 3 top rated OC’s in this draft, in which all three project out at OG as well….This way, the rookie comes in and either beats out Gurode, Goff, Kosier, or Davis for a starting spot, OR we have a multi positional back up for many years to come….I have tremendous confidence in Mack, Unger, and Luigs, and all three will be starting linemen in the NFL one day, no doubt about it…Those three are locks….Like I said earlier, UNLESS we are drafting a LT in the top of the draft, I would not be looking for a replacement OT after round 1…They just aren’t there…All top OT prospects will be gone by pick 40 or so….the rest are marginal Doug Free, Jacob Rodgers, Steven Peterman, James Marten types….and I’ve sure seen enough of that….no thanks..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as Garret goes,

Im on the fence. I look at new coordinators like new players, learning curves, sophmore jinxes, ajustments…. I was ready to can him based on poor play calling, QB regression, offense looking unprepared and poor execution.
 The thing is he has unlimited potential. Other teams are still interested. He had a flood of injuries, poor line play, an injured QB. He has shown flashes. Are we going to turn him loose right when he is ready to blow up. Or is he just to analytical and over thinks things. Does he just lack a feel for play calling. Playcalling seems to be more of a feel of calling the right play for the right time.

Id have to review his games and reinterview him about what he feels are his weaknesses and mistakes. Let him self scout himself and let maybe a friend outside the organization scout him(Shanahan) . Then compare the 2 and see what he thinks he needs to do to improve. Id also tell him if he comes back he is going to recommit this team to the run.

 We have this huge line that struggles in space and we dont try to maul anyone. I hate to make snap judgements with out knowing all of the facts but something needs to be done.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shanahan should replace him, not scout him....nuff said

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree....I was NOT on board with resigning Flo....unfortunately, due to many attempts to draft his replacement, and coming up short..We HAD to resign him..

We will not find a LT in this draft that can come in and replace Flozell Adams…period….UNLESS we somehow put together multiple draft picks and move into the top 10, which ain’t happening……..There are two ways to replace Flozell Adams, One is to go out in Free Agency and aquire LT-Jordan Gross of Carolina…. He’s young, dependable, talented, better, and will be expensive, but not much more than what we’re paying Flo now….then ..Trade Flozell before the draft, because he is still a top 5-10 LT in this league that prizes top LT’s….and we have more picks to wheel and deal with….OR we go out to Seattle and see what it takes to aquire LT – Walter Jones….It had been rumored they are looking to shop him, as they are clearly in rebuild mode at this point…But how much would it take to aquire one of the best OT’s of all time ?? we’ll see how this off season folds, as I like this part of the year as much as the on season.

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jones has been awful in pass protection the last few years

Even if he was available, I don’t think he’s an upgrade over Adams. What Ware did to him on Thanksgiving Day has been happening a lot recently.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

if flozell adams is a top 5-10 OT, then why not keep him? Why would you be against his re-signing? He is either no good, or he’s good. He can’t be both.

by Joey2zs on Jan 2, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That’s what too many fans don’t realize. It’s not so much that everyone, including the Cowboys, WANTED to resign Flo. It’s that we HAD to. There was no one else, in FA or the draft, that could step in and replace. Much less play better than him.

by kameleon_o on Jan 2, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone who could stomach the 2nd half notice how McQ did.

Heres a guy with the size and speed to be a LT but he couldnt help at guard on a team that throws all the time. Were we reluctant to make the change because of the ailing Flo. Is Wade a guy that doesnt like to play young guys unless forced too. Im stunned that somewhere along the way with Proctor struggling that we couldnt give McQ or Free an opportunity sooner too see how he would hold up in the line of fire.

Walter Jones is more banged up and losing a step as fast or faster than Flo. Which begs the question of, “How banged up was Flo”.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree....W Jones has lost a step, but if we were looking for change, he's more of an example than anything else...

Jordan Gross would come right in here, take over for Flo, and we would be all set at LT for the next 8 years……pay now, or pay later ??….it’s all up to Jerry..

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carolina's not in cap trouble

they’re not going to let a top LT walk away for nothing.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have been reading all year long that they are indeed going to let him walk....no franchise tag will be placed on him...

Of course most reports I read were earlier in the season, their end success may change that, but as of right now, He will be available…..They have quality depth at O LIne…and have many other FA’s to sign…

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by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 6:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not questioning what you heard

But I heard the exact opposite. That Carolina was working on a deal for him already.

I would be shocked if he hits the market with the success they had in the running game.

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by APerfectStar on Jan 3, 2009 6:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

McQuistan was mean and moved guys when he hit them

but has have change of direction. He was letting a lot of rushers beat him.

That’s Leonard Davis’ problem. But Leonard can wipe you out when he’s on. If McQuistan is leaking at LG, there’s no way you play him at LT.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Raf.

He was a favorite of mine because I always like to to adopt a long shot. The problem is I never got to see him play under the big lights. I was always a little higher on him moving to guard. Im hoping he doesnt turn into a Ron Stone. A guy that cant get on the field here, moves on and makes a pro bowl for someone else.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is sort of Off topic

but let me just say I’m not looking foward to next season at all. The players hate each other, and they have no respect for the coach and even less now that he said he is going to change and get all tough. Anywho, I’ll just have to wait until 2010 when we can get a new coach that can take control of these idiots.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 2, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the input quincyyyy...like we needed to hear all that....off topic indeed...

btw…welcome back, haven’t seen you around here commenting lately……and do me this favor….Please make this your New Years resolution :

1) I promise not to watch BSPN anymore, when it concerns Cowboys news.

2) I promise not to read local news reports coming out the Dallas tabloids concerning the Cowboys.

3) I swear I will not drink anymore of the contaminated Kool Aide being served out by the mass media.

Seriously….your outlook on things, and your year would be so much more enjoyable if you follow those simple rules…….

adhere to this quote “Don’t believe the hype”

your welcome….

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually I haven't watched BSPN since we lost

and I never go to their site either. I probably won’t be able to until the draft rolls around. But this team is dysfunctional and I don’t see it getting better next season no matter how much talent we have.

by quincyyyyy on Jan 2, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Change the OC and OL coach, and get healthy at OL, and we certainly will be better..I am sure of it...

well…you can add: upgrade the ILB depth, and find a legit Safety…..I think we’ll be just fine…It’s the wait that will kill me…9 friggin months to go…..wooo hooo

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

So tough

We blame the coaches, but without being in meetings and practice we can’t be 100% sure it was an execution problem.. Coach Houck may have killed Leonard Davis on the practice field and meetings, but Davis still didn’t get it. No reason to fire somoene if the player just couldn’t get it.. I think Houck was that bad, him and Bruce Reed would have been gone.. Davis needs to lose about 30 pounds and A. Gurode still doesn’t know how to snap out of the shotgun.. I could go for a J. Saturday a smart, quick guy, who is coach on the field, and will help call the blitz protections..

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is sad wathcing Romo call out blitz protection when he should be figuring out coverage.

Did Koiser call out blitz protection too?

by Trey, on Jan 2, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

or Karlos Dansby or Ray Lewis

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by BoyzRback on Jan 2, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dansby

Will not be cheap.

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by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Scott has proven to be effective blitzer, we need someone at ILB who can blitz and get there..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to also ban the term "most talented team"

That has taken on the same meaning as “she/he has a great personalty”. You know, bypassing the real truths to the real questions to make you feel better about accepting less than you want. The best TEAM wins period.

Im also more interested in building this team though the draft. Its not that we shouldnt sign a FA or 2. I just like the idea of guys coming in young and growing up as a team.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Some systems are better then the sum of their parts

The 2007 Cowboys team was not one of them.

by Trey, on Jan 2, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it scheme or talent?

NYG pass plays per sack, 2008: 18.53, Cowboys pass plays per sack, 2008: 18.64. That’s about the same, except the Cowboys throw the ball about 5 times more per game.

Cowboys pass plays per sack, 2007: 22.24; Cowboys pass plays per sack, without Romo, 2008: 7.5; Cowboys pass plays per sack, with Romo, 2008: 25.68. So, when Romo was playing, the Cowboys did better in pass protection than last year.

The Cowboys had 165 pass plays in the last 4 games. They ran the ball, 83 times, and averaged 4.2 ypc. When 2 out of every 3 plays is a pass, and the other team does not have a speed back, why not play against the pass every single down? In the 5 games that the Cowboys lost with Romo starting, they threw the ball 219 times, or 44 times per game. That’s crazy. In the 8 games they won with Romo starting, they threw the ball 251 times, or 31 times per game. Since the only game that wasn’t close was the Eagles game, I think it’s clear that the problem is the scheme more than the execution.

I think the problem for the line is that the Cowboys throw the ball too often, and don’t run enough. I love Romo, but he’s not a 40 attempt per game guy, or even a 30 attempt per game guy. Pass blocking tires out the offensive line, because they have to hold position and can’t drive, while run blocking wears down the defensive line. This team needs to be running the ball and passing 20-25 times per game. Ball control may not be as flashy as left hand passes, but it works.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 2, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

* correction

Meant, not even a 35 attempt per game guy.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 2, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is some what skewed by the fact that Romo is a wizard at avoiding a sack and Eli is a statue.

Im willing to bet that Romo was running for his life way more than Eli ever was.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe so,

But that also includes 3 games with Brad Johnson at QB, getting sacked at the rate of once every 7.5 attempts. The Cowboys did a better job protecting Romo this year than they did last year, based on the number of sacks. The line wasn’t considered a problem last year, and they actually performed better this year when Romo was the starter.

It just seems odd that the problem is supposed to be the O-Line not getting it done in the run game, but our RBs averaged 4.3 yards per carry. Or that they don’t pass protect well enough, but they had a better rate of pass plays per sack than they did last year. If running plays aren’t called, that’s not the fault of the OL.

My point was also that Romo is running around more because we pass way too much. If you have 45 pass attempts per game against a good defense, you’ll probably give up a few sacks. I can’t get over the clear difference in pass attempts in games we won vs. games we lost, 44 to 31. I see that as a coaching problem, not a talent problem.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 3, 2009 2:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn straight

This team needs to focus on run blocking and screen plays. MB3, Felix and T-Choice? How do you not take advantage of that potential when they are all healthy???

You don’t win a lot on a consistent basis when you attempt over 30 passes. Look at the Saints and Cardinals.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Jan 3, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Broncos.

Especially when the weather starts getting worse. The Cowboys, Broncos, and Cardinals all struggled in December, and the Saints were 2-2.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 3, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you don't base protection on sacks

but on pressure and sacks.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jan 3, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000000 Baked...been saying it since day one.....We should be running 35+ passing 25+

just look at good examples of offensive scheme….Tennessee, Miami, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Atlanta, Carolina, New York Giants, Minny….all playoff teams….ALL Running Teams..

How can Garrett not figure this out ??????.

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 6:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

running the football

The top 5 rushing teams are all in the playoffs..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chicken and Egg

Are they winning because they run the ball, or do they run the ball because they are winning?

I agree that Dallas needs to run more however. The pass on first down, run on second and ten was like an Ernie Zampese flashback this year.

by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

winning because they run the ball..

Those teams all depend on the run to win..

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 3, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on running more and wearing out the other D

Run blocking is agressive and Pass blocking is passive. We should have shortened our splits and mauled other teams with our size. O-Lines love attacking smaller guys. It also reinforces an aggressive mentality. It makes lineman happy. Chasing down a guy that weights 50-100lbs less than you and faster than you is frustrating.

by squidlo97 on Jan 2, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You run with what you got

Marion Barber
2007 — 204 carries, 4.8 ypa;
2008 — 238 carries, 3.7 ypa;

Julius Jones
2007 — 164 carries, 3.6 ypa;

F.Jones + Choice
2008 — 122 carries, 6.1 ypa

Barber replaced Jones as the bell cow back and look, his YPA sank right down
to Julius’ level. Choice and Jones, who are better than Jones, had better YPAs filling Barber’s role.

This tells me the line is the same at blasting out holes in opposing lines, in the first three quarters as it was in previous years — good, but nothing special.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This cowboys team does not need more big money players

like Jordan Gross. This team needs to bring in 4 or 5 mid level or lower FA OL players that hungry and a little bit desperate to stick and see if they can fight their way in to starting…

by AustonianAggie on Jan 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This team does not need any more FAs on offense

It needs better young players from the draft who can displace some of these okay players. You keep dipping in the FA well, you’re overpaying.

Plus, you notice how good teams are now at keeping really good players off the market? How many true, blue chip FAs hit the market? Leonard Davis was probably the best OL who switched teams the last two years and he had warts. If you’re a really top flight lineman there’s no way your team lets you go unless their front office is completely messed up.

by Rafael Vela on Jan 2, 2009 2:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Time to rebuild and get younger for the future.

Any FA’s you would like to see on Defense?

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From Dallascowboys.com Interesting..
MOST UNDERRATED
Nick: Sounds odd to put a four-time Pro Bowler in this category. But Flozell Adams does not get the credit he deserves. It’s sad, actually. People want to gravitate to a stat about false start penalties, but give me one or even two a game, if I know he’s going to protect my quarterback. Adams does that consistently, especially against the best competition. For some reason, he’s everyone’s punching bag. But watch the tape. He’s still an elite tackle


LINK

"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"

by Wmillion on Jan 2, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Frankly I do not give Houck a pass at all.

by burmafrd1944 on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Lion's Share.

Although there are other problems to address, ie, conditioning, scheme, game adjustments, CHEMISTRY, personnel, and on and on, I truly believe that this team would be a serious Super Bowl contender right now, rookie running backs, rookie DBs, and all, if the offensive line would just play up to the money they’re paid. We can’t even get rid of them since it would be a cap nightmare. Since we’re stuck with them, they should be put on the conditioning program of their lives this off-season.

It isn't what you say. It's what you do.

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 3, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They can't, unless we call plays that utilize their skills.

This is a run blocking, grind you down, unit. Not a pass blocking 40+ times a game unit.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jan 3, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty easy to understand.

While the Cowboys were 10th in the league in yards per carry, they were 8th in rushing fumbles. Moreover than that, how many times did you see the ball rattling around loose in Barber’s hands this year? He was having trouble hanging onto the ball for whatever reason. And for whatever reason the coaching staff was untrusting of the rooks. We weren’t in the practices and meetings, we don’t know why that is. Chances are because they didn’t have a good grasp of the whole playbook, or blocking schemes. Thus, right or wrong, they were passing the ball to their veterens. Romo was running for his life this year. He specifically said at the beginning of the season he was trying to have quiet feet like Brady. He didn’t want to run around this year, he had to because he was being chased. The O-line is here to stay. They have to improve their conditioning.

It isn't what you say. It's what you do.

by Lunging Wolf on Jan 3, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Romo co stared in the movie "Happy Feet" ?

Runnin’ around like a penquin with clipped wings….must of been the reason for all the fumbles..

A true diehard Cowboys fan since 1975.

President - Garrett MUST GO campaign -

by BoyzRback on Jan 3, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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