More rumors on the T.O. front
Mike Lombardi, in Five Things I Know at The National Football Post.
I know the Cowboys are having serious internal discussions about releasing Terrell Owens very soon. Serious discussions. The $3.1-million roster bonus due Owens in March is also adding to the discussions. It may affect the decision that Jason Garrett makes if he is offered a head coaching job.
Let the fighting begin!
Also, in Five Things I Think:
I hear that the Rams are down to only three candidates - Frazier, Garrett and Steve Spagnuolo of the Giants. Just those three have a chance to get the job.
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If Jerry has to choose between the hot head and the fire cr--ch
He’ll choose the latter. See ya lata T.O.
-1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Dead money
Won’t the Boys have to eat money if TO is released? I will still be surprised if Jerry does this but may be it’s the best thing in the long run.
It would cost an extra $650K to cut TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
It would cost us another chance at a SB trophy to keep Garrett.
I take the playmaker, over the non play caller anyday.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Id take both Garrett and TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm intrigued
As much as I love TO’s gamebreaking talent on the field, I do wonder if releasing him would be similar to what happened in New York when the Giants won the SB in 2007.
Remember, chronic complainer Tiki Barber retired before the season and Jeremy Shockey suffered a year-ending leg injury at mid-season. And without those two “outspoken” talents, all of a sudden it allowed Eli to become somewhat of a leader on offense.
It was almost like “addition by subtraction.”
And it seemed to be one of the many factors leading the G-Men to their third Super Bowl title.
I wonder if it would cause Romo and Garrett to thrive that much more.
Very interesting indeed.
Stay tuned for the next episode of… “As The Star Turns!”
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hmm maybe
or t.o. is like plaxico
and the giants without him obviously failed
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Roy Williams can be a number 1 receiver, Giants didn't have that
I know he didn’t play like that last year, but he has done so in the past. He just needs an off season to let his foot heal and get his timing down with Romo.
While I hope you are right
I don’t think Roy is even close to as talented as TO. TO is one of the best ever.
If you want to talk about pure talent
Roy is actually more talented. That is why he was a top 10 pick and T.O. was a third rounder. Roy Williams in terms of pure talent is one of the top 5 receivers in the game. Talent wise I would only put Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and maybe a couple of others ahead of him. Production is a different story…
T.O. like Irvin was only as good as he is because of his hard work in practice and in the weight room.
Pure Talented?
Yeah if you believe stats from a combine, the dude has done nothing since being drafted what 5th overall. He fails to work hard, complains when he doesn’t get the ball, shows he can’t beat a double team, and has had 1, 1000 yard season. Since then teams have doubled teamed him, even with Calvin Johnson on the other side, because there willing to take 100 yard and TD from Calvin, knowing Williams will do nothing.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Who has been Detroit's QB since Roy has been there....
Nobody. The best they have had since Roy’s been there was Kitna… freaking Kitna. And that one season when Kitna played half way decent Roy put up 1300 yards. You have to put it in context.
Calvin Johnson
Who I consider a top 5 WR in football has done fine with the revolving door at QB, why because he’s a good WR. A 100 yards this year with how many corners, and over 700 last year, starting in only ten games…you don’t hear him complaining.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I can't think of any WR in NFL history that has comparable physical talents
to Calvin Johnson. He is just a freak of nature.
But Roy
Was just as talented out of College, and Calvin beats the double teams Roy couldn’t. What makes you think that is going to change about Roy? I like RW, but I think a year with one on one cover would help a lot more then a guy who is trusted right back into what was the problem is Detroit.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Well Roy has done so in the past
like I said he had a 1300 yard season once, and he probably can do it again with a better QB throwing him the ball.
One year.
One season, our, in your mind next year number one, on one season, on which he was rarely doubled teamed. TO is a better WR and he couldn’t break these double teams, what signs have Roy showed that he can not only do so but do it better?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with that.
But other then that, the fact he NEVER beat a double team in Detroit what makes you feel so strong about him?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
ONE SEASON
ONE SEASON AFTER THAT THEY DOUBLED HIM CONSTANTLY WHICH IS WHY HE HAS YET TO BREAK 1000 SINCE….what part of that do you not understand!
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ok you put everything on a guy
Who has caught for 1000 yards one season.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
You say that one 1300 yard season for Roy shows he can be a #1 WR
but when TO only gets 1050 yards (and more TDs than Roy had in his 1300 yard season) you say he should be cut? I dont get it
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
+1 joey.
by unknown sources to boot…lol
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
and you know he's a chemistry killer ?
did he hurt your feelings ? is your performance hindered ? your ability to watch games been altered ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
We know he is a chemistry killer . . .
because the entire media (national and local) is reporting that TEAM sources are discussing releasing Owens. Though I doubt they actually will release Owens, the mere fact that this is a topic for discussion should tell you what the Cowboys organization think of Owen’s contribution to the team’s chemistry. Unless, of course, you believe that the DMN, ST, ESPN and Mike Lombardi, all of whom have better access to the team than you do, have all conspired to deceive us.
You forgot Larry Fitz, one of my favorites.
I just meant who is better, not actual talent. Screw talent, I want the guy who produces.
Larry isn't as physically talented as Roy is, he is not as athletic
but yeah of course I would rather have a WR that produces, but we are arguing about pure talent.
You are joking right?
Larry Fitzgerald is not as “athletic” as Roy? Only Steve Smith can hold a candle to Larry Fitzgerald in their ability to adjust to the ball and make the catch. Forget about straight speed….Roy and T.O. can’t touch either of them. If you hit Roy in the hands he will catch it….T.O. might catch it. Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Smith will take the ball away from two guys blanketing them who have a much better chance of making the catch! If we could get Larry Fitzgerald or Steve Smith I would trade both Roy and T.O. for either one of them…they go and get the ball…Roy can’t and T.O. doesn’t want too!
"How bout them Cowboys!"
TO is faster than any of them
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
I beg to differ
not as much acceleration, but more speed.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions
Steve Smith
is consistantly in the top 5 in dropped passes too… lets not forget about that
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
Larry and Steve
are the best in the business at playing the ball in the air. But Roy and T.O. run circles around Fitz in every other facet of athleticism.
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
No.
T.O. was a third round pick because he went to Chattanooga.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 14, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I know lol
I misread. But with LT he had a fair amount of press in school.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
They both at least went to division 1 schools
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
-1 Quincy
“pure Talent” takes into consideration athletic talent, a facet in which Roy is no where near as close to TO. He’s slower, weaker, not as well conditioned, more injury prone. TO has more talent
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
The Draft is a crab shoot.
What a player does on the college level has no bearing on what they achieve as a pro. There have been way too many busts drafted in the top 10 for me to think otherwise. Most of those guys play against inferior talent on the college level and pad their stats against guys who will never make the pros.
Wasn’t Jerry Rice drafted in the 6th or 7th round? I will never believe that he was "only as good as he is was because of hard work in practice and in the weight room". The guy also had talent.
The NFL is the true mark of a player’s level of talent and on that front Roy has yet to show me much. I hope an off-season will fix that.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
I agree
You can get talent anywhere in the draft…
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Rice was a first rounder
and almost a cowboy. Bill Walsh traded up one spot before the Cowboys to nab him.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Would you rather have
TO taking double teams, and getting one on one RW, or Roy Williams getting doubled, and hoping Miles Austin, who I like but don’t think is a number 2, can get it done against a corner now either as good as him or better and Patrick Crayton? There really is no debate.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I do think Austin is a number two
so I would actually disagree with the premise of your argument.
Not Yet
Someday he will be, but if you think he could beat any of the Eagle or Giant corners, your sadly mistaken.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Woodson didn't play in the game against us this year.
So he was probably covered by Will Blackmon…maybe someone even worse.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
blackmon is not a bad db, but is only #3 to woodson and harris. decent cover skills and mad speed though.
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Yes but Miles Austin can beat him
I liked Blackmon at BC, but Austin is better then him, I actually think he was the 2nd corner against us, with Austin being our third WR.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
yeah. harris hurt his spleen in that game against us, didn't he? or was it the game before us?
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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I thought Harris Played in our game.
Actually i think they both played, but one of them left injured on the box score, Harris has one tackle, Woodson two, so you might be right.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Harris ruptured his spleen in our game
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Your right
He got injuried during our game, he played a little of the first half and left.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think that makes more sense
I am a huge Romo fan, bigger than most on this blog, but I have always credited much of Romo’s success to TO. I think Romo might suffer without a target like TO.
A lot of Romo's failings have also resulted from forcing passes to T.O.
when he shouldn’t have to keep him happy
Its a little bit Jerry's decision too
He always had TO’s back, you know he is making sure TO gets his quota of throws every game.
While I agree with that
It’s the QB’s decision where the ball goes, if we were to win games, no one would be complaining, I’m not putting the blame on Romo, I actually like Romo, and when you lose, you lose as a team.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
How do you actaully KNOW for a fact
That Jerry was making sure that TO got his quota. Please provide me with a link with exact quotes of Jerry calling for TO to get more passes thrown his way.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
People wanting to release TO.
That’s there source.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
I don't have that
Its just obvious. You saw those stupid one yard hand-offs to T.O. It was obvious during the first Redskins game that they were trying to get T.O. involved any way possible. Why so defensive of Jerry?
That isn't on TO
That’s on Garrett deciding to force him the ball…I’m so glad all these guys are intimidated by Terrell Owens that they all bow down to him…give me a break.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Its not that they're intimidated by him
They just wanna keep him happy because they know if he lashes out to the media, that will hurt the team greatly.
Not even close.
Well actually usually when we win, he has a big game, so maybe he is right if we get him the ball we win…although I don’t agree with him saying that, he may have a point.
by joey7289 on Jan 16, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
-1
At this point in his career, TO wants wins more than stats
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 17, 2009 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
That's Romo's decision
A decision Tony won’t have to make if TO isn’t around to whine.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
If your friend is jumping off a bridge
WOuld you do it because he said so? Same goes for Romo throwing to TO.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
The problem with that argument is you and your friend is dead and you don't
have to deal with him afterwards. Romo has to deal with T.O. every day and have a working relationship with him. So keeping him happy is actually important.
What is this like elementary school
The older kid is bullying me, he doesn’t have to listen to TO. He can do whatever he wants. He is the one throwing the ball is he not?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
+1 I stake no creditability into that BS report.
TO is not going anywhere.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
+1
And its a good thing thats hes not
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
and yet that is not how it works in the real world of being an NFL
QB where you have to deal with a loud mouth receiver in the huddle after every play.
Every #1 WR in the league campaigns for his qb to throw him the ball
TO is no different, ESPN just try to turn it into a story with him
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
they campgain through the media?
what other good-great wr does this?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
No in the past...
You never stated this year.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
umm. Roy Williams did, for two different teams, lol
this year, btw
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
U said
Every single #1, you named one this year, and 2 from years past.. Do you really want to bring up the past when you are talking about TO? The guy who questioned Jeff Garcia’s man hood? What do you think he will say about Romo if he is cut..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Why must everyone bring up the past
Isn’t it called the past for a reason. He Publicly called out his teammates there, this year we don’t know what really happened because everything unnamed or anonymous.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Mybe saying Every #1 WR in the league was a slight exageration
but my point was that its not only TO who lobbies for more catches
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
And again...
You act as if Roy is not also a louf mouth.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Hmmmmmmmm......
Your right…but……..he also knows what will happen if he doesnt look for T.O.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 14, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
he never forced balls to TO to keep him happy, where does that even come from ?
Romo just throws it up for grabs in hopes TO would come down with it.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
All you had to do was watch the games
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 14, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
umm, I've watched every game for years. Romo forced balls into a completely covered TO on many occasions.
Is that Romo trying to keep TO happy, or is that Romo, under pressure, throwing ill advised passes into a completely covered receiver, regardless of number on his jersey ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
you cant put all fo Romos bad passes on TO
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
I wasn't even referring to Romo's stupid picks
Those are on him. My comment was because I felt a lot of the time plays called this year were too skewed toward TO. Dallas had the opportunity to have a very balanced offense and it seemed to me too many plays were designed to get TO the ball.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 15, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
I love the fact that we have so many mind readers on here.
People actually know EXACATLY what Romo is thinking when he forces a ball to TO. They actually know for an absolute FACT that it’s because of something TO has done off of the field.
I’m sure it has nothing to with how the media portrays the team. In other news, ET would like me to know there is ongoing battle between Jen and Angelina
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
So instead Romo will have to force the ball to Roy
and get even less results but jsut as much complaining. hmmmm.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
another great possibility as well. that's why our team is so compelling! : )
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+10000 Without TO, this team will crumble like a house of cards.
especially if Garrett returns.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
+1 on TO, -1 on Garret
SO i guess that equals 0
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
That's just BS
This team is loaded with offensive playmakers, probably more than any team in the league. To think it all falls apart if TO is gone is just stupid. I’m not advocating cutting him (I wouldn’t lose any sleep if we did either) but give me a break.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 14, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
TO is the only playmaker on this team. give you a break ?
There is no other receiver on this team that puts fear into an opponents DC. That is very clear. Not Witten, Not RW2, Not Austin, Certainly not Crayton or Hurd, Nobody but TO draws any special coverage or attention. I do believe TO, in what many considered a poor regressive season had more TD receptions than ALL the other receivers combined !!! …ok
Now who’s givin who a break ? If TO goes. I doubt highly this team wins 10 games next year.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
He isn't the only
I like TO, but we do have Witten, Barber, and Felix but that’s about it…
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldnt describe Witten and Barber as playmakers
They are greeat players no doubt. But Barber isnt a home run threat and Witten is still just a tight end.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree, Witten is great, but he's purely a product of TO drawing all the attention away from him, and he eats up all those receptions in the middle seams and open soft zone spots.
same can be said with most TE’s. It’s really not that hard for an athletic TE to get open in this league. MBIII a play maker ? I think 3.8 yards per carry completely wipes out that notion. Felix Jones, on the other hand will become one of the best playmakers this team has ever seen. But he’s a RB, and we’re discussing WR and TD machines. TO being the only one on the team.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Witten is not "purely a product of TO"
He is a very good TE. no doubt TO helps him by being on the same feild, but attributing all of Witten’s success to TO is belittling his skills and acheivements
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
umm.no.. Like I said, TE's in general have a better probability of getting open.
You double team Witten, Gates, Cooley, Winslow, Heap, Clark, or Gonzalez, and I assure you none would be getting 70 + receptions each year.
Witten is probably my favorite player, not because he gets many catches, but his overall game is worthy of his status as one of the best. His toughness, his drive, and athletism wins me over, but I also realize he beats LB’s to make plays..TO keeps other teams from assigning a Safety to cover Witten in most cases.
Without TO, Teams would focus more on taking Witten out of the game, by using that free Safety to now help shadow Witten, while guarding him with a LB in the open zones.. and let their CB’s go man up on our other WR’s, and if you thought this years offensive failures were bad, that would be hard to watch.
I’m not taking away from Witten at all. Without TO, Witten doesn’t get 85 catches. He’d still get 60 or so, which is where the TE number should be IMO.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
See I agree with everything on that post
but in your previous one you said Witten was"purely a product of TO" which does take away from Witten so I responded
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:30 AM CST up reply actions
In 2004 Witten had 87 catches for 980 yards
with no Terry Glenn for the last 12 games. In fact, Witten played mostly with Keyshawn Johnson and Quincy Morgan and still got the job done and then some. And one more thing, he caught most of those balls with the ancient and obsolete Eddie George in the backfield, and with Vinny Testaverde throwing the ball.
So please…don’t insinuate that T.O. made Witten into the tight end he is today.
So what most everyone is saying
Is that TO is this super natural guy that no team can possibly win a SB without. Wait, no team has actually won a SB WITH him. Call them playmakers, call them good, call them whatever, we have more “good” players in skill positions than most other teams in the league. Which team that was in the playoffs this year had more “good” skill position players than Dallas even without TO?
Either Jerry just got totally fleeced on the RW deal or he SHOULD be able to be a #1. I think Austin is a #2 and Crayton #3. Throw in Hurd, Stanback, posbbile draft choices etc (like other teams seem to be able to do) and you have a receiving corp.
As I said in my earlier post, I don’t have a strong opinion either way about TO being cut. If he truly is a distraction in the locker room, it’s probably a good idea. There’s no way any of us know if that is true or not, we only “know” what the media tells us to think. If he’s not, there’s no reason to cut him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jan 15, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions
Jerry getting fleeced on a deal? That is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
People are saying that to win a SB next year we need TO
saying that no team has won a SB with him isnt really a goood argument either. No team has won a SB with ROmo or Ware so should we get rid of those guys too?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Great prediction!
This team crumbled like a house of cards the past 3 years WITH Owens. And Garrett wasn’t even a coach the first season.
I got news for you
Cowboys have already crumbled like a house of cards or weren’t you watching their last 2 games?
In Romo we Trust
But the Boys failed WITH T.O.
Be a cancer survivor- cut him loose!
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
But if you look at it
We’ve failed with every player we’ve had since when 97?
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
The dreaded C word
TO is a cancer and needs to be extricated. He is infecting the team and the WR corps and as talented as he is, his departure will make this a better team.
Release TO
TO should definitely be released, it makes football sense. He can no longer beat double coverage when being pressed. At his age he will not get any better, he is at the age when WRs decline dramatically. Look at Marvin Harrisons decline, they were drafted together. Roy Williams will have to step up. You just can’t justify paying that kind of cash to a declining player. I would cut him if he was a perfect little angel. It just makes football sense. You can’t over pay for declining talent.
w/ Romo
we averaged 24 points a game. If our played too it’s potential we are probably still playing..
You don’t think JG can explain that, he was killing them interviews last year..
If Jim Zorn and Jim Harbaugh can become a HC in this league, so can JG.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
big difference. Those guys were actual coaches before being hired to their positions.
Garrett has had very little training to run an offense, let alone an entire team.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Coach of what ? for who ? how were the results ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
To be honest with you ....
When a Offensive coordinator is brought in.. its to bring in his offensive scheme. So we know he can game plan an teach QB’s Where the job gets hard is focusing on the whole game. Right now when the offense gets off the field he goes sits down with Romo and talk about adjustments. As a head coach he got to stay in the game keep track of time outs, challenges, down and distance the whole nine yards (pardon the pun) So for him to be successful hiring the right coaches will make his job easier. So can see him being a HC a evening bring over one of the our Defensive guys to head up the defense.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
How does it make football sense?
He still got double figure TDs and over 1000 yards. He had an off season but if hes used more effectively he can bbe more productive.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
He was used effectively
About as effectively as you can use a 36 year old receiver with bad hands, who runs bad routes (read Jerry Rice) and, after the Washington game, can no longer beat press coverage. The fact that he still obtained those stats can only mean that the scheme and our QB compensated for his declining skills.
Rice said your getting lazy
Not that he “runs bad routes” It’s nothing an off season can’t cure. And it’s not press coverage, it’s consistently getting a safeties place over the top of any route you would like to run. So Garrett, with all his wisdom, just continually ran Owens down the field…play, after play, after play. “I wish that he would just spend a little bit more time just running routes just a little bit more crisp” That was Rice’s quote…he never said Owens run sloppy routes, he would just like to see them a big clearer.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
You need to be a little more objective
Rice, obviously, is trying to administer constructive criticism, so he is politely saying you run bad routes in the words “Just a little bit more crisp.” What is the opposite of a route that is not crisp? I think sloppy or bad captures the essence of what is being said.
And please, can we stop with the bogus accusation that Garrett ran Owens down the field play after play. Its a gross exaggeration, and even if there is a portion of truth there, did you stop to consider that Owens “uncrisp” route running might play a part in the routes he was called to run?
What I find interesting in the Rice quote is that the greatest wide receiver who ever played the game, rather than blame Jason Garrett’s playcalling, instead focused upon Owen’s route running as what needs to be improved. Pity that some on this board can’t seem to grasp this.
I want you to go back and watch the Steeler game.
Then you can see how much you love your boy Jason Garrett. I can grasp that Rice thinks Owens is a top 5 receiver can you?
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
Romo's poor performance against Pittsburgh . . .
was Garrett’s fault too? When are the players ever accountable in your mind? Did Garrett call for Owens to quit on his deep out allowing Troy Polomalu to intercept it? Did Garrett cause Romo to throw the other 2 interceptions? Or Tony Curtis to miss his block on James Harrison that allowed him to stop our fullback on 4th and 1?
That wasn't the point.
My point was watch what routes Garrett had him running. I’m the biggest preacher of team football, and it’s something we didn’t play much this year.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Btw
Owens didn’t quit on that ball, if he continue to run full speed nothing would have changed, Romo threw a horrible ball on that play.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
thats not true
T.O. absolutely quit on that route, Romo threw it where it needed to be, but T.O. was too worried about being hit by Troy.
In Romo we Trust
No he didn't
Stop. I know you love Romo, I like him too, but the first two picks are on him.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
And Troy
Was in no position to hit him, TO was behind him, where the ball should have gone.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
huh?
If Troy was that close T.O would have hit him when he caught it.. T.O didn’t even know he was back there which is why when he turned around… Troy was running full sprint right by him
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
No he didnt
It was a miscomunication or just a bad throw
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Im sure Terry will disagree
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
And on that interception by Romo
That was under thrown. You could tell that was not where the ball was suppose to go.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Whats really a pitty is that...
Route running can get better.. not a sole alive can say that T.O. doesn’t work his butt off in practice trying to get better however, no matter how great you run your route, if the ball is all over the place because the QB is running for his life. That’s the pitty
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
And yet our Brilliant QB
Still forced the ball to this horrible route runner.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
gee-roj
Thats not fair… I think there is something to be said for a QB that gives his WR a chance to make a play. I don’t fault him for that my issues is how you throw it. Protect when you scramble then throw it low and away..
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Garrett will never get hired in St Louis
I wouldn’t hire him. Did you watch our offense against them this year? Their front office probably did. Romo or no Romo, it has to be in the back of their minds.
They did when we played them...
They must have laughed.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Yes he would
The GM wanted him last year when he was in Atlanta. He wouldn’t have got this many interviews if teams weren’t interested.
i love TO
but i can’t pretend to know what happens in the locker room
if those that know what goes on in the locker room cut TO, then it’s probably the right decision
...and when they dont cut him
that will be the right decision
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I can agree
with both of these posts…
Unless of course Jerry is stupid enough to cut Owens beucase of the team’s “image”
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
The Root of the problem...
For those of you who believe T.O is washed up or that Romo’s slump was caused by having to force the ball to T.O to keep him happy is missing the one key element that without it will doom any pass catching duo.
BLOCKING…
This season our Offensive Line was horrible at protecting Romo and opening holes in the running game. There were times when I couldn’t even get to "2 Mississippi " before he was side stepping a rusher or ducking under an arm or hoping over a leg or something. Anyone who knows defensive schemes will tell you that to beat any cover two situation you either have to run the ball very well OR have time for passing plays to develop. If I’m a CB with over the top help I’m going to get up in T.O. chest for 1 second get into a trailing position to cut off the hitch or out route by second 2 and by second 3 this play is already over. It wasn’t that T.O wasnt beating the initial jam off the line it was by the time he got around DB1 here come DB2 just in case Romo had any ideas of just throwing a jump ball down the side lines. On slants, which is a bit harder to cover for a DB, all you need is to get your LB sliding into that slant zone. A WR has got to almost cross the center line before you are actually open. Which in most cases T.O was most dangerous when Romo had time to let T.O clear the DB AND! the LB shading the slant zone to get free in middle where the cover 2 is most vulnerable.
Its Night and Day when you look at a Romo with time to throw an Romo with NO time to throw. Defense that had the personnel to just rush 4 or 5 an play coverage killed us because that meant in 3 seconds Romo was going to have to dodge a tackler scramble with ball all out in the open which then 1 of 4 things was going to happen a reception, an incompletion, a Sack or worse a turnover (the latter seem to have been the option of choice this past season)
So how do you beat a double team.. I remember Me-shwan Johnson asked Micheal Irving that and Micheal told him.. go up to your O.C an tell him.. RUN THE D@# BALL! Thats right a strong running game is like Draino to passing lanes it clears them right up. LB and Safeties suck up close to the LOS like a moth to a flame.
But there is just one problem… THE ROOT… Our Offensive line was.. well OFFENSIVE. We couldn’t run the ball this season, not like seasons past we just couldn’t get in sync. Running lanes just was not there on a consistent basis an when they were there a holding penalty was sure to follow or a false start. You can’t win this game call football if you cant run the ball, pass the ball and catch the ball an the common denominator for all of that is BLOCKING!
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 14, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions
Nice write up UnN, between Garrett play calling and the O Line defficiencies, made everything collapse.
Sparano called the protection packages in ’07. Did Garrett forget that we do have a thing called MAX protect in out passing plays package.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
and that's what esp. pissed me off about all four games in december
pittsburgh, nyg, baltimore, philly could all bring effective blitz packages to pressure us on passing downs. some of the best Ds in the NFL combined with must-win games down the stretch.
they were who they thought they were (sorry guys, couldn’t resist).
do you think they prepared?
hell no.
how do i know?
what rumba said. Garrett did not employ frequent MAX protect formations.
talk about a head scratcher.
wtf?!?!
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by silverblue5 on Jan 14, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
+10000000
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Brandon's Replacement???
Excellent work, and not just because i agree with it.
Griz,
if you are looking for someone to fill Brandon’s shoes I nominate UnNecessary Roughness.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa...lets not get crazy
lol…. I’m just one of you guys… I appreciate the props though.. Those are very big Shoes to fill, I’m just trying to keep up with some of the insight that you guys bring to the table. Like everyone else I just got my perspective on things an even though we may not all agree about alot things but there is one that brings us all together and usually happens… around kickoff time.
Go Cowboys
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Taylor's
article in DMN in regards to TO or Garrett was the wrong choice. It should be either Wade or TO. A strong head coach would not let the lockerroom melt down to the drama we have had this year. I would keep TO with a Holmgren or Shanahan, but def. not with Wade.
my gut
Says TO goes no where, TO is too expensive to cut.
Who is having the serious discussion at Valley Ranch? Some of the trainers or Jerry/Wade/Stephen?
So if TO is gone, do when then need to draft a WR or do you sign a FA? We can’t get a at least a 2nd for TO?
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
nice answering of your own question
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
TO
I wouldn’t get rid of TO. He’s still a gamechanger. Did you happen to the the first Philly game? I agree with Unnecessary roughness. It’s the OL. Give Romo 3 to 4 full seconds and we’ll have two Pro Bowl receivers. TO and Austin.
by beautifultyrant on Jan 14, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions
i don't think you just cut a player of TO's caliber, I am tired of people allowing the media to play gm
You cut
him without blinking an eye if he’s a cancer. That’s the 64 thousand dollar question that none of us can answer. Noone knows what goes on when those doors are closed.
I agree
thats the big IF. IF he is a cancer.
But none of us know, that is for sure.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 14, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions
Interesting despite the source
"I think we all know that chemistry is the problem with this team more than the schemes or anything else,‘’ a Cowboys source said. "Are we going to continue to allow talent to outweigh everything else in the decisions we make with players and putting the roster together? We’re like the Redskins used to be when they signed every player they wanted. There’s more to it than talent. It has to be more about the team.’’
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Source this
Source that, anonymous here, anonymous there, I’m so sick of the media.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
I bet it was Witten...
or his agent
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm so tired of
hearing we are the most talented team in the NFL. Are we really that talented?
Exectly
Talent is in the eye of the beholder…I think we’re talented but not the most.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
yes we are very talented
I get the feeling t.o. will be cut soon..and thats ok with me…we need to take a new direction…chemistry in the locker room is very important…..
Dont drink the cyanide.
Who has said that T.O. is a cancer in this locker room, who has actually been in that locker room. This is what the writers want. Don’t support them. There’s not any hardcore evidence here.
And somebody answer me this. What if we cut T.O., and the offense struggles again? What if we cut him, and stay generally healthy, and go 8-8, or 9-7 again? Who do we blame then?
I hope you will all be so supportive of this move after it is made and we suffer from it.
Cris Carter....you're dead to me.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 14, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
+10000
Find me a number one…if it’s RW it’ll be a long year.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
+1000 This all simply a blame game, someone has to be at fault right ? why not the loud mouth ?
why not the O line ? the QB ? the injuries ? the OC ? why not the media ? why not Wade ?
nope..It HAS to be TO, because the media WANTS it to be TO. There is not one player on record saying that TO is a cancer and should be cut. I’m pretty damn sure Romo does NOT want to lose TO. That’s for damn sure.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
No Hard Evidence?
You’re not serious. He’s been a hemorrhoid in every locker room he’s been in. I suppose the melt down this year had nothing to do with his demonstrated ability to put himself above the team. Someone on this blog made the point that every team that has ever won the Super Bowl did it without TO. Another one will this year.
by steelyeyedmissle on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
You could make that point
For 3/4 of the players who have ever played in the league…and TO was suppose to come in and destroy us first year, and didn’t second year he was suppose too and actually cried for our QB, now a year after that he’s evil again. If you think he’s the same guy he was in Philly and San Fran your wrong, if he was that guy, he would have already imploded.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
That is the worst argument EVER
Every team that has won a Super Bowl did it without Dan Marino. You gonna tell me that you wouldn’t want Dan Marino as your QB? One of the most prolific passers in NFL history?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Marino never won a Super Bowl either. What's your point?
Heck while we’re at it no team has every won a Super Bowl with Roy Williams, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, of Wade Phillips.
Let’s cut all of them…. Arrrrr
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Yep
We need to get back to growing and producing our own Talent.. If we cut TO, I would like to see another rookie Wr brought it..
I still believe we can get done without him..
Let me ask you this question if TO is cut do you think he calls out Romo, Wade, Witten, and JG? or thanks the organization and moves on? Honestly.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
I would expect and cheer if he called out Garrett. Garrett is ruining TO's legacy here, and it's a damn shame.
I was looking forward to TO retiring here, and going into the HOF as a Cowboy. I still believe he should, and will. All the media, and drinkers of the same tainted kool aid can kiss my arsh..TO was a model player here for the past three years, and for some reason people don’t get it. To blame anything on TO is absurd IMO. He wants to win, would do anything to win, and even in one of his worst statistical years, still put up better numbers than anyone else on the team. Yet one turd reporter said he’s causing problems ? and questioning the play calling ? WE ALL have been questioning the play calling, EVEN Romo has questioned the play calling, yet for a star WR to express he could, and should be better utilized , some of you people find fault in that ? The owner sticks up for him ,and agrees he’s not being used correctly, and some of you still find fault in that ? The HC even concedes that TO is our best playmaker and he needs to get the ball, and some of you find fault in that ? TO proclaims in a post game locker room, after getting beat down by an inferior team that he’s not getting plays/calls (motion, drag, slant, crossing routes) that put him in better position to make plays against teams stacked with press man double coverage, to eliminate him from the game plan, and some of you find fault in that ??
simply amazing
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
+100000000
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
Even
though Rotoworld isn’t exactly a great source, I love this note
ESPN’s Ed Werder now admits that the Cowboys have not had any discussions about releasing Terrell Owens.
Citing another unnamed source, Werder now says Dallas will discuss cutting T.O., but it “hasn’t been initiated.” Werder’s reports about Dallas have been gossipy, and many false, since late in the season. Until the move is made or Jerry Jones indicates it’s possible, expect Owens to be a Cowboy in 2009.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
co-sign
dead terder sux.
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by silverblue5 on Jan 14, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry said if cuts TO, it makes tougher to get Ware done..
I don’t see TO gone..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Easy Ed
First class tool. Is there anyway Dallas can cut him?
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 14, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
ROTFL!!!
"I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell." -- Bruce Dickinson
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by silverblue5 on Jan 14, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
An OC
Who did nothing at all to change anything this year, and continued to let his QB get killed time after time.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree
If he did something different at all this year, but he didn’t, he continued to run Owens down the field and never mixed it up. He never did anything the opposing coach wouldn’t expect. He’s as predictable as they come, and I for one, am very sick of watching game where we continue to run players deep and Witten down the seam, only to have Romo get killed because there isn’t enough time for him to make a play or Witten killed because the safety is rolling over to the same route they’ve seen three times already.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Bases on what?
Being from Yale? What else does your crystal ball tell you?
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
my bust....
It’s Princeton he’s from… either way he showed me nothing this year
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
bright ? Princeton grad, young ? 44 years old, OC ? beyond terrible and over his head
TO = More TD receptions since ’05 than any other WR in the league.
sure thing, no brainer.
you keep the guy who has produced.
TO
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a question of TO's production
That’s undeniable.
It’s all the damn drama that he’s at the epicenter of, and if it’s really having as much of a negative effect on the team as the media would have us believe.
I still think TO is staying, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I was wrong about that.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
exactly !
But like in my earlier point If we don’t get better in the trenches we can bring in Steve Smith, Ocho Cinco, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss an we still won’t move the ball because our protection has been horrible.
Now Maybe it is on Garrett to call for Max protect, but you when you think about it if a team is rushing 4 people that means there are 7 people in coverage if you max protect thats 1 TE and at least 1 RB in a spread formation that’s only giving you 3 vs 7 thats a double team for for all receivers and a QB spy if Romo decides to make a break for it.
So you almost have to send at least 1 other person into the pattern to create a one on one some where. An that’s the problem we have been facing.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 4:29 AM CST up reply actions
HUH????????????
Bright OC? IF he’s so bright why is he tryin to look elsewhere for employment, when he would be 10 timees successful in Dallas, he’s phony and TO knows it. Maybe TO should be new OC , he’s got my vote ,
by spursn4life on Jan 14, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Thats what bright coordinators do
look for head coaching jobs.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
no. They job into a different situation before they are figured out as a phoney.
and not a boy genius.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
"They job into a different situation"?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions
has t.o. ever won anything??? nope
but i am sure u have an answer for that too
No he hasn't won anything
Neither has Marion Barber, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Terrence Newman, etc. your point? Should we get a new team then? Because we have a team that has never won anything?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
lol
romo..witten newman barber has not been in the league as long as t.o. …not even close
So that is your excuse?
Ok if that is the case Flozell?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
u do not get it
If t.o. would keep his mouth shut them i keep him..its that simple..give me a number 1 that does his job and keeps his mouth shut like a fitz or a johnson for example…
flozel??? we are talking wr’s here lol
How
Do you know what he is saying? Because Ed Werder reports it….don’t believe everything you read, if TO was truely a cancer he would have destroyed this team already.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Have u paid attention to owens career????
I think ur in dreamland….Listen he is a better guy than plax and alot of other idiots in the game…but he cannot keep his mouth shut when it comes to dealing with the media…I blame the media as well when it comes to owens but he should know by now that when u do interviews with espn things get taken out of context …he does not use his head
He doesn't do interviews with ESPN
He doesn’t even talk Werder, no one does, hence why everything is anonymous. If you believe everything you read then fine cut the guy, but who is our number one next year?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
good question it would have to be rw
its not believing everything i read ..its his history..
People tend to change
But if you buy the media, you never allow that person to change, and if RW is our one, we’re in for one long year.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
TO for a 1000 yards
And ten touchdown, RW has caught for 1000 once in his career and hasn’t stiffed it since.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
his history here is squeky clean my friend.
and he lost all his atta boys for backing and crying for Romo in last years playoffs ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
so you admit that TO's words are being taken out of context..
then what is your problem with him ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
why do you care if he's featured on a BSPN story ?
everyone’s excuse is him giving interviews. It’s part of his job, he’s obligated to do so. He speaks the truth. THAT is all your problems. He answers the question that the reporter puts in front of him. simple. thou shall not lie.
Werder- TO, Do you think you are being used properly in this offense, as you don’t seem to be getting many chances ?
TO- No, I haven’t been used properly, I haven’t been put in motion as much as the previous years, and I haven’t been given any crossing routes to better my chances against double teams.
That’s called opening his mouth ? That’s what you are all upset with ? That’s why your looking to cut TO ?
good grief
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Werder- TO do you think youre being used properly in this offense?
TO- Next question
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
He's done that..
I’ve watched every interview that he’s given thats been streamed… and if anything he is very cold an callous towards any questions that try to bait him into talking about the team or teammates.
When ever they say "Well T.O. you only had 5 catches what do you think is the problem… his normal response has been. I don’t know you have to ask the coaches. The plays come in I run the play and go back into the huddle for the next play. He doesn’t elaborate, drop names, or points to moments in the game when everybody an their momma saw that he was open.
What piss me off is why can’t he get mad when Romo is carrying the ball like a loaf of bread only to have it stripped and taken back for 6 the other way? Why cant he look disgusted when on a 3rd and 15 (because of false start penalty) He breaks open 18 Yds down field and because Romo is running for his life either looks him off or throws it behind him for the pick? We curse and scream and yell at the T.V. This dude is in the game anybody that has played any type of organized sports will tell you its a huge let down when your performance is based on the efforts of others and they are consistently not pulling their weight.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:23 AM CST up reply actions
Steve Smith a # 1... he broke his teammates nose sent him to the hospital...
You don’t see it on T.V. but Marvin Harrison would tell Payton all the time… throw me the ball I’m open. Chris Carter, Jerry Rice, Micheal Irvin, Shannon Sharpe, Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin… yes all these guys has or have complained about not getting the ball at some point. The difference is with the exception of a few none of them has T.O. star power so you don’t have the media hordes sticking 20 mics in their faces asking them to explain why the loss an who do they feel was the blame.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 4:48 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Im loving your comments tonight. Im agreeing with everything
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:24 AM CST up reply actions
I was never a T.O fan until...
The Superbowl with NE vs Philly. up until then I thought he was a selfish prick with nothing but individual goals on his mind.
But when i saw not only what he did to get on the field but the way he played the football fan in me wouldn’t let me hate him anymore. It would have been a blowout if Owens didn’t put up the numbers he did and bail out Mcnabb with some of those errant throws. And yes on that last drive when everyone was sprinting to the LOS scrimmage McNabb was jogging threw up and proceeded to lose the game in the last minute.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 6:26 AM CST up reply actions
That was actually the first game I had ever seen TO play in
and it left a lasting impression. Thats probably why hes my favourite player now
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
People say he's so self-centered
Yet he risked his career for that Super Bowl, a Super Bowl in which if he didn’t play they would have gotten killed.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
And what did you consider Michael Strahan?
Was he a loser, would you have cut him?
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
John Elway didn't win unitl how latein his career...
Hmmmmmm… Enough said.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
eagles have been in the nfc chamionship game 5 times in 10 years
without a number 1 wr except for the short stint with t.o…..there defense was not stellar through out that run..its been solid but not stellar…its not the ravens defense over there in philly
And have failed to win a Super Bowl
Meanwhile the past 3 Super Bowl winning teams have had a number 1…if your fine with second then by all means, we don’t need a number 1. Look what Plax did for the Giants, caught the pass against the Packers, and the Pats.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
If T.O. is gone after three seasons in Dallas
I’d have to rank him as the 5th best Cowboys receiver in team history, behind Irvin, Pearson, Hayes and Hill – - in that order.
You can say that about every player over the course of 10 years.
You can’t even argue that…it’s a team game…not one player.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
ok joey
i guess that sht in philly was not t.o. either…must have been mcnabb’s issue
No that was TO
And ya know what TO might have had a point with the Super Bowl, and McNabb winning the big game but that isn’t the point. The point is what you just said is so ridiculous it isn’t even funny. TO isn’t the reason we haven’t won a playoff game in the 10 years, hell he isn’t the reason we haven’t won one the three he’s been here.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
or course not
my bad t.o. could never be the reason…
No...
I just said he was the reason in Philly and San Fran but if your blaming him for us not winning a playoff game, give me the scenario…when did it happen? Please…I would love to know.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
no
i am not saying t.o. is the sole reason that dallas has struggled…I am just saying he is a part of it….He is far from perfect we all know that…He has grown up since san fran i admit but he is far from a saint
Not disagreeing
But I just think letting him go with be stupid…We have no Number One behind him.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
RW was brought in as a #1
and if he isn’t then Jerry is the dumbest GM ever because you don’t trade a #1 and #3 for a #2 WR.
In Romo we Trust
Super Genius GM Jerry would never do anything that foolish
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I know that
But for next year…he isn’t ready, but hey we’ll bite the bullet with Roy, who couldn’t beat double coverage playing with the Lions, people questioned his work ethic, and complains like TO.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
t.o.
had an 1000 yd season and 10 td’s
and thats with brad and brooks throwing it for some time on top of an offensive regression
he clearly produces. is he as good as he used to be? no. but he is still our best wr. we saw how bad we were last year without him in the lineup at the end of the season. t.o. can make the tough catches too, does he always? no, but its not like hes running out there armless
i seem to remember a pretty nifty grab in the seahawks game where romo rolled out right and bombed it down with t.o. jumping up and hitting it with one hand towards his other hand, get up after the catch to see ant henry congratulate him (yea i just watched the highlight)
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Just watched Inside the NFL
And Lombardi also said in Mike Vick gets reinstated Jerry Jones might be interested in a little “wildcat” formation. With Vick shouldn’t it be “wilddog”??? RIMSHOT!
LOLz
Clever, and no…that is where i draw the line.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Riddle me this, Batman...
Does anyone remember when T.O., Witten and Romo were all being interviewed together after the last Giants? game? I mean, they were bantering together, making fun of the ‘crisis’, and if they were just acting…they convinced me.
So, were they all just pretending to be team mates?
If TO is a cancer for questioning Garretts play calling, and making it public….wasn’t Romo waiving off Wade’s call on 4th down…pretty much the same thing?
UnNecessary Roughness wrote a pretty good post earlier on about what the problem really was.
I hope we keep our good players, add some more in the draft, and try this thing again.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Interesting disection by PFT on werder's breaking news
here is the link:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/14/report-again-owens-on-the-outs/
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
i love it when other sources rip on BSPN. they deserve it.
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by silverblue5 on Jan 14, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah. Especially THIS part.
In other words, the red-haired, fresh-faced Garrett could in reality be a power-hungry sneak who’s trying to indirectly launch a coup against Wade Phillips.
But who cares about something that juicy if it involves a Cowboys employee other than Owens or Pacman?
Surely, ESPN doesn’t.
-taken from profootballweekly.com
Fire him already. btw. IT was Garrett who called that well publisized meeting of the WR’s, Not TO, No Williams, Not Crayton
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 15, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Whats wrong with an OC calling a meeting with his offensive players?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the link
That was a great read.
And you want to talk about a cancer? nbc.com is reporting on espn’s report. That is spreading like cancer.
I would post the link but I don’t want those hacks getting the pageviews for regurgitating espn’s crap
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
I have to agree.
I’ll take TO over Garrett. I just have a bad feeling about Garrett. Nothing definite to pinpoint.
me too
think garrett is the real problem all around you don’t see anyonee else showing disrespeect like he is iinterviewing wwith other teams funny Cowboys weere 13-0 before Garret starteed his iintervewng 2007
by spursn4life on Jan 14, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
He had so many weeks to adjust and never did.
by joey7289 on Jan 14, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
YES
I think Jerry really has to look at the facts, this Garret business smells alot like Sean Payton scheme.
by spursn4life on Jan 14, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
umm..leaving your team in a bye week of the playoffs to look for another job was all i had to know about Garrett,.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Jan 15, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Every co-ordinator does that
I get you have a problem with Garrett, but at least come up with good arguments
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
COWBOYS WERE 13-0 WHEN GARRET STARTED INTERVIEWING WITH OTHER TEAMS, HMMMMMMMMMMM?????
TO will be back
When, in the history of this franchise
have they ever been 13-0?
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Answer me this
why is it “either T.O. or Garrett” when Garrett is gonna get thrown out the window with Wade after next year when we underachieve yet again.
Shanahan will be our coach in 2010, and Garrett will be somewhere else.
I hope T.O. retires a Cowboy.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 14, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions
Wow already looking towards 2010
Why cant it be TO and Garret after we get the #1 seed next year and win the SB?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 14, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
That would be great
but that would require a change in philosophy on offense, and the addition of a couple of turnover makers on defense. And probably a dynamite return man. I just dont see all that happenening.
If we fail again, Mt. St. Jerry is gonna have an eruption of biblical proportions. No one will be safe. Not Garrett or anyone.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
One guy will be safe
Jerry the Owner will never fire Super Genius GM Jerry
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
shut up to!!!
i wish to would just shut up and play. you’re not paid for your thoughts. no one cares. you whiny baby. it’s not just him either. all these high-priced athletes-shut up and play. we’re not watching for your commentary or what you think. and i’m sure the coach doesn’t like it very much. big overpaid crybabies. why don’t you try working a regular job like most of us?! we don’t get to bitch and moan to our bosses. why should you? so do us regular joes a favor and shut up and play you babies.
No one cares what he thinks?
Then why do reporters always ask TO questions after games, before games and during the week? Seems like to me somebody cares
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah so they care what TO says so they can write their story,
and they have a job because the public reads these stories. Therefore somebody has to be interested in what TO is saying.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
grow what
grow what exactly my super intelligent friend. these are athletes that get paid to perform on field not bitch and moan. and no one is using to the wrong way. he’s a wideout isn’t he? players make plays. he’s being paid to make plays not make stupid comments. only reason reporters ask him questions is that is their job to create drama where there is none. or not much anyway. you are comparing apples to oranges when you made comment about being janitor and not speaking up. as others have said on here, there is time and place for everything. shut up and play. that’s what this team needs more of.
So then...
When T.O. goes in front of the camera’s (WHICH HE IS REQUIRED TO DO) and after every question he says No Comment. then leaves. Would that make you happy?
What if we went on to lose 10 games that season? T.O. catches 90 passes for 1100 yds and 15 TD. But we still Lose would you be a happy camper? Would you be a T.O. Fan then?
Some how I doubt it, you don’t like T.O. for your own reason an like everyone else who looks at what he has done in the past you feel like all problems start and end with T.O.
I tell you what with all that I saw this past season give me the "So Called " issues that T.O created any day over a Offensive line that cant block there way out of a paper bag, a QB who feels that hey a long INT on 3rd down is like a punt (WTF) and a strong safety who acts like covering a TE on pass plays is against his religion.
90% of these so called T.O issues are Media made. 98% of Cowboy team issues have nothing to do with T.O. He doesn’t block, He doesn’t pass, he doesn’t cover receivers, he don’t play special teams he doesn’t rush the QB. An he definitely didn’t get stiff armed to the ground twice on back to back 70+ yd running plays to lose the game.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 5:08 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:25 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:25 AM CST up reply actions
I’m indecisive on whether TO should be released or not but I do believe if we let him go we’d be ok. I truly think Austin could be a huge factor for us next year. The guy plays with heart and passion something this teams needs, I don’t think he’d be a number 1 but if RW2 could do alil something I think we’d be fine. Austin just needs a chance to be a regular everydown 2nd reciever and I think he would flourish. Not to mention that I also think Tony would breathe alil easier not having jackass down his neck. P.S. anyone who doesn’t believe Romo more than once blatantly forced TO the ball during the season his smoking something good.
I cant understand why so many people on this blog rate Austin so highly.
He has 18 career catches and hasnt gone a whole season without getting injured. Sure he has looked good at times, but expecting him to be a reliable #2 is preposterous when you have such a small sample to base him on.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
espn reports
That the roster bonus isnt due till June 3rd. If thats the case it allows the Cowboys to spread the cap hit over 2 years by releasing him after June 1st.
No they cannot do that due to the uncapped year in 2010 and if there is no salary cap after that,
so the cap hit will be accelerated.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Let me tell you guys something about Austin.
I like the dude but lets keep it real. He’s big and fast, and looks the part, but dude is stiff. His routes are no better than T.O. or Roy’s and he’s not as athletic as either.
Look at him on K.O. returns. No wiggle at all. Even his touchdown in the playoffs his rookie year was a 93-yard beeline. Guys have associated the word “great” with Miles Austin when talking about his potential. I defy you to show me one “great” receiver who took three seasons to rack up 18 catches. He can still grow, but he’s like Crayton. He’s about as good as he’s gonna get.
So when we cut T.O. and Austin catches 32 balls for 550 yards. I don’t want to see anybody posting anything negative about Austin. Just keep telling me how we didn’t need T.O. because Austin was ready.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 7:46 AM CST reply actions
Also.
Everyone says “T.O. has got to do more than just run by people.” What the hell have we ever seen Austin do besides that? He is one dimensional.
And he doesn’t exactly have venus flytraps fused to his wrists either.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
I totally agree
Ive been saying this for weeks. People like Terry write about his “limitless potential” and how he can come into the offense and be an all pro. He has 18 catches and hasnt gone a season without getting injured. OK he has got speed, but hes not on TOs level and probably never will be. People saying we can get rid of TO and slot Ausstin in and not miss a beat seem not to undersand that when a guy is in his third year and only has 18 catches, he might not be that good.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
You don't need a 10+ TD Wr to go deep in to the playoffs..
Like I said before the D playing to it’s potential on consistent basis is what we need to be talking about.
The TO converstation is much more glamrous..
No reason you lead the lead the league in sacks last year. Top 6 against the run the year before and you can’t get it right..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Lots of people thought Troy Hambrick had limitless potential when he was spelling Emmitt, not so much when he became the man
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I strongly disagree
Austin has limitless potential, his only problem is being a china doll.
The reason he hasn’t progressed as fast as you’d like is #1, he’s a WR, #2, he came from a tiny div 1-AA school, and #3 he has been injury prone.
As far as talent, he’s off the charts.
In Romo we Trust
What?
So what you are implying is that the coaches are saying “No way we give him more playing time, he’s from a div 1-AA, I don’t care how good he is”.
And being a china doll is a huuuuuuge problem remember Mike Sherrard?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
thats not what I'm implying at all
Coaches realize Austin was extremely raw when he was signed as a FA in 2006 and needed time to develop, especially since he was from such a tiny college.
It took him longer to learn the position as a result. Coaches obviously knew he had special talent, but it his skills needed much refinement.
I realize being injury prone is a concern, so we’ll have to see if that will continue to be a problem.
In Romo we Trust
Yes
I agree with everything you said there, and if he stays health shows, IMO the most potential of the young guys.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I think you just like undrafted FAs
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give him potential but....
Off the Charts Talent?? He needs alot of work he is a WR who benefits from walking on the field and having the defense focus on a T.O. a Witten and a Barber. If i was a saftey and I see a green rookie on the right and I see Witten on the left with T.O flanking him when the ball is snapped and its a play action to barber when I realized I’ve been had the first thought in my head isn’t OMG wheres Austin?!!!
No I’m like where is T.O, and where is Witten and take my chances that who ever is on Austin can keep up.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
a healthy Austin has proven this year
he can beat one on one coverage on a consistent basis and thats all is needed from a #2 WR.
In Romo we Trust
That's right a "Healthy" Austin
He doesn’t play every down much less every game and he is already injury prone. how do you think he will hold up in a full 16 game season playing nearly every down?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
he might not
but who is to say any player will? For all we know Felix Jones might be injury prone, thats something you can’t worry about.
In Romo we Trust
Proven on a "consistent basis"
he has 18 catches Terry 18.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
But he’ll be playing guys better then what he played this year at the three and even sometimes four
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Since when?
If all you have is RW who also doesn’t command a double team where do you think that extra defender is going to be??… yes in the box pinning his ears backs ready to run/pass blitz and we know what the bad Romo looks like when there are 6 people coming and Wittens double covered…
I’m not pro T.O or Romo… I’m Pro Cowboys and I like to keep the reality of what happens on the field in perspective. Like i said Austin is a good player with some good upside. But I see him as bigger version of a Wes Welker. A number #2 I don’t think so but a speedy slot guy?…yea i can see that.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Jan 15, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Potential is a bad word...
Potential does not equal performance.
Every year all 32 NFL teams get together and select players based on their potential. We call it the draft. That Ryan Leaf sure had alot of potential.
You can have the potential I will take the performance.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Let me correct that..
Potential does not always equal performance.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Miles Austin is big, fast, and stiff in the hips.
And that’s about it.
18 catches, dog…..in 3 years.
18 catches.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
TO isn't very quick either
That is why he never turns those WR screens in to anything..
Austin is quicker then TO.
Ok 18 catches.. Ready to bust out. How many rushing yards to AP have before his rookie season? He turned out ok.. You have to let it play out..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
Why does everyone TO is slow
Did you see him run by Charles Woodson in the packer game? Charles is slow right?
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
And AP was drafted 7th overall
With people knowing his potential so don’t compare a kid at the Oklahoma to an drafted rookie out of Monmouth
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
AP?
Thats a horrible comparison. It didnt take AP 3 WHOLE YEARS to sniff the field.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Jan 15, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
+1
And of course some players come in and play well. But to expext it from someone who has shown nothing his whole career is ludacris
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 15, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Wait
How many QB’s have 3 rings and were drafted in the 6th round? None, I suspect..
Who cares how many catches over 3 years Austin has, he isn’t supposed to replace TO, he supposed to pick up some of the slack. Give me 800 yards 6 TD’s from Austin and I am happy.
No looking for a TO replacement. I would much rather Romo spread it around then just focus on one or two targets.
Give me 1200 from Roy
Give me 1000 from Witten
Give me 800 from Austin
Give me 600 from Crayton
Give me 500 from Bennett
Give me 500 from Felix
That is more then enough..
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
dude, thats almost 5,000 yards
we don’t even need that many. If we plan on running the ball more as Wade has already stated, then I’m looking at the following numbers
1,100 from RW
800 from Witten
600 from Austin
600 from Crayton
500 from Felix
400 from MB3/Choice
250 from Bennett
In Romo we Trust
+ 1
You beat me to it Terry
Only the saints and cardinals beat those total numbers wmillion has and they had averaged over 60 pass attempts a game this season.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
We have that potential..
but, I am with you run it more.. The point is, we can win a lot of games even without TO.
"Protect the Romo, Save the Cowboys!!"
You want Romo to throw the ball more???
You do realize that he has thrown 13,19,and 14 picks each season, not sure which ones he counts as punts, but I really think we need to focus on running the ball more.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Your not getting 1000 from Roy
I’m sorry aint happening.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
He's gotten it once in his career
Why does everyone think he can step in and get it done, people complain TO can’t beat press coverage, Roy handled it worst then TO did, and rarely tries to make a play in double coverage.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Calvin catches for a 1000
And he did it with a revolving door at QB…I’m sorry I was solid on Roy as a number 2, with TO as the 1, if Roy Williams is our one, he’s going to get double covered every game, and I’ve seen and heard from Lion fans how that turned out…
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
well.... why is that...because they have know one else to throw to..Calvin is not getting 1000 with Roy still there
He caught for 775 last year
And only started in 10 game…he defiantly would have caught for a 1000 last year if he started all 15, he missed a game.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
to be honest we don't need RW to have 1000 yard seasons when we have
Witten, Felix Jones, Austin, MB3…..RW should have 15+ TD’s a year without TO just because of his abilties in the red zone…
15+ TD's??????
Efficiency in the Red Zone?
RW2 has never had a double digit TD season. In his best season of 1,300 yards he only had 7?
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Jan 15, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
In this offense he will
Get off the Detroit topic…..this is not 0-16 Detroit. This offense is a heck of alot better than Detroit…..
He didn't play on a 0-16
Detroit team, it’s just stats don’t lie and they don’t seem to be supporting your claims
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't matter he was playing on a bad team his whole career......
Once he get’s this offense he will be a different player….
I understand your point.
But Calvin Johnson does just fine, I know Calvin is a better WR, but not by much, Roy can be just as good, he just hasn’t shown it…I hope it’s there.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Calvin is a stud Wr no question about it....
I’m not saying RW can be the next TO, but he can be very good. Especially if Austin can be the burner on other side. We still need to draft a Deshaun Jackson on this team to play the slot. Hopefully this year….
Even last year when they went 7-9 I think
He still failed to Wow people…it’s there, it’s just a matter of unleashing it, and i believe he would serve best getting 1 on 1, instead of double coverage.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
15!
He hasn’t even eclipsed ten in a season, that’s with the 1000 yards season, but I do agree we don’t need a 1000 from him, I would just feel a lot more comfortable with TO there, and RW getting one on on.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
1000 yard receivers are a dime a dozen now.....especially on pass happy teams...
where there is no running game like Detroit….
So why cut TO if they are a dime a dozen, he's proven to be a 1000 yard receiver constantly
While RW has done it once, on a team with no run game.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
If he stays or goes I don't care. I think it would be better without him just because of the distractions
It’s going to happen….TO will be gone this year or next..We might as well get used to the idea of RW, Austin, Witten, Felix as the main threats on this team…TO is a short timer….
I would rather keep TO
One more year, allow Roy to get one on one, and not rush along Austin, or Crayton for that matter.
by joey7289 on Jan 15, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Also lets not forget that dallas will also take a cap hit if they cut "the thong" - RW.
It will be the first year where the cap will not hurt as much as last year but it will still cost the team money. So you may not be able to cut them both, JJ will need to decide if he is leaning this way which one to cut.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Clarence Hill reporting misinformation just to make an impact:
His article was talking about how other assistant coaches are sleeping with one eye open because they do not know if they will still be on the team in the morning. Ridiculous, he stated that is why Herring had the A&M job in his backpocket, does he even read? Either he is calling Herring a liar or is not paying attention to the fact that Herring denied having any offer much less talking to A&M. Here is the link:
http://www.star-telegram.com/281/story/1142157.html
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Hill has no substance to his article, no analysis as to which coaches are on the "hot seat".
Just vague, I gotta hunch something’s gonna happen, any schmuck with media access could do the same. I know the stuff I am commenting on goes against my motto, but it’s the offseason for the cowboys and what else do we have right now?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I remember when
many of us used to say that Romo’s incredible stats in his first two season starting were due mostly to T.O.’s presence, in the same way that Garcia had good stats and McNabb had his best statistical season in 2004 with T.O.
Now, T.O. is adveresly impacting Romo and is in fact bringing down the whole offense. Eh, not so sure about that.
However, I will say that Garcia and McNabb have both managed to have pretty good season (statistically and winning-wise) after T.O. left, so there’s still hope for Romo to be a decent QB should Owens be gone in 2009.

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